Shila

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--> @Lemming

Morality is sort of adherence to a collective idea that certain behaviour is either right or wrong.

In some instances, we collectively agree to contradict an established moral principle.

Which is what I refer to as selective morality.

--> @Tarik

That makes no sense, in order for morality to make sense and we grasp the concept of right and wrong it must be consistent across the board otherwise it refutes itself

bingo

So this and the u238 decay tables leads to a conclusion that the earth is likely significantly younger than what the old earth scientists say.

And you’re telling me this because?

--> @Shila

If you consider gender as a description of sexual orientation, physical sex, and identify, there are a ton.

Correct. 

--> @Shila

White privilege is a fact.

less than 3% of white americans were slave owners before the american civil war

--> @Shila

how can we verify the quality of their judgement regarding anyone's level of sincerity ?

--> @Shila

Sure, and note how atheists have better stats.

Regards

DL

--> @Shila

That might also explain the better atheist morality.

Regards

DL

--> @Shila

maybe, sometimes, but you can't see anyone's level of sincerity

So far Tarik has not shown any poor judgement regarding  anyone's level of sincerity.

how can we verify the quality of their judgement regarding anyone's level of sincerity ?

--> @Shila

God sacrificed the world to save Noah with a giant flood. 

 Nope! God, it is written in the bible, destroyed the earth,  and if one takes the time to read the Summaries version of the flood/deluge , no one was supposed to be saved. It was the intervention of a benevolent god that caused Noah ( Atra-Hasis Sumerian )to be saved.

 The Sumerian epic of the deluge predates  the biblical flood by thousands of years. The flood story is not the only biblical story lifted from the epics of Sumer and adopted by the Hebrew writers as part of their own history.

--> @Shila

All the more reason to take the Bible/Genesis literally. It applies to every aspect and deepest truths of human essence.

Should it be taken literally at all times? Or just some of the time?

Why do you not start a thread on the subject, Shilla?

As a matter of fact, dozens of clinical trials are testing mRNA treatment vaccines in people with various types of cancer, including pancreatic cancer, colorectal cancer, and melanoma. Some vaccines are being evaluated in combination with drugs that enhance the body’s immune response to tumors. 

Polytheist-Witch: Atheists are too good for entertain now, 😂. Still have to comment on it. Fucking pigs.

--> @coal

I agree.  The term "white privilege" exists to create intra-class division between whites and blacks, so everyone is distracted with issues that cannot be solved while those that can are rigged against both (within the middle and working classes).  

bingo

"racism" has always been a game invented by the oligarchs in order to keep the workers fighting against each other

-> @Ramshutu

what im is not saying is not whether it worked or not, im saying why don't they continue? they said they "cared" about death rates when they closed the country for 2 cases, but now they have so many more deaths? If it is the case that they care, why aren't they locked down now? It's because they don't care about people. 

Apparrently youve never head of M.A.D. , that, was happening from 1960 til 1990's .  I also call it nuts, and that is why humanity complained enough that governments all agreed, that M.A.D. is NUTS and reduced the amount of 24hr, 360 days a year B-52 bombers in the sky ready to drop bombs on a moments notice.

Logical absolutes exist. Logical absolutes are conceptual by nature, are not dependent on space, time, physical properties, or human nature. They are not the product of the physical universe (space, time, matter), because if the physical universe were to disappear, logical absolutes would still be true. Logical Absolutes are not the product of human minds, because human minds are different, not absolute. But, since logical absolutes are always true everywhere, and not dependent upon human minds, it must be an absolute transcendent mind that is authoring them. This mind is called God.

--> @GnosticChristianBishop

Polytheist _Witches: Of course there's a growing number of atheist churches, they're shallow, jealous, small human beings that need to steal from others to be complete.

--> @Shila

How would surrounding yourself with smarter people improve your lack of skill in football.

I have no desire to improve at football. I stopped playing after the second time I broke my glasses. Surrounding yourself with people smarter than you is highly motivating when it comes to intellectual development which I do desire to improve at.

--> @Shila

So you believe there exist abnormalities that don't fit the regular XX and XY categories. These can result in all sorts of hormonal problems, irregular development of genitals and gonads, and irregularities in secondary sex characteristics. In short they are abnormalities.

I am sure gays and LGBT do not consider their types abnormal. They would prefer to see that as sexual preferences.

I was not referring to sexual preference or any other aspect of the LGBTQ umbrella. I'm talking about genetic and karyotypic conditions such as

XX Male syndrome

True hermaphroditism

45,X/46,XY mosaicism

Kinefelter syndrome

While there is likely at least some genetic influence on sexual preference, I have done little/no research on the topic, but it is very distinct from what I was clearly referencing.

--> @Athias

Would it not then behoove us to allow the consequences of our decisions to be the regulator of our actions, rather than some arbitrary third party perpetually pointing a metaphorical gun at our heads?

what a novel concept

I've seen KM and Mike for the most part.

-> @Shila

Was showing humility your way of dealing with your below average in skill, knowledge, and coordination?

The point was that I applied humility before I actually knew how my skills compared, and I was still waaay off on how good I was. I am now well aware of my deficiencies in that field, and wouldn't define my current beliefs as humility, but honesty. I am quite proud of how intelligent I am, but surround myself by even smarter people wherever possible.

which sounds a lot more egotistical. And Dunning-Kruger doesn't just apply to intelligence, but any estimation of how your own skills/abilities/experiences compares to others. When I learned how to play football as a kid, I thought I was pretty good. My parents had spent a lot of time teaching me the importance of humility, so I modestly assigned myself as only the top 25% of kids my age. Then I went to middle school and realized that I was well below average in skill, knowledge, and coordination.

-> @Shila

I will tell you this exactly once. I do not condescend to respond to copy pasta. If you can't be bothered to actually respond to my points, then you might as well not exist from the viewpoint of intelligent debate. Do it again, and I will not respond.

Gender and sex are determined by a pair of chromosomes XX = Female. XY = Male.

You are about 40% right. Sex is determined by the expression of the sex chromosome pair, but as I pointed out in my previous post, there exist abnormalities that don't fit the regular XX and XY categories. These can result in all sorts of hormonal problems, irregular development of genitals and gonads, and irregularities in secondary sex characteristics. 

Gender is a social construct that is often tied to physical characteristics related to sex, but is most importantly the things I said in my above post.

--> @3RU7AL

so, you're actually asking about ONTOLOGICAL AXIOMS

You see the sun, moon, stars, air, sky, earth, ocean, and different natural elements of life, that are already placed in the universe.

You see the cosmic universe, along with the physical manifestation of life created by humans. It’s all are part of the external reality.

of course, it is logically impossible to interact with or observe anything that is fundamentally separate from us

therefore, we are merely aspects of a much larger organism

kinda like cells in a body

You have made an assertion here, the burdon of proof is on you.

"think of it as someone simply asking why they should care what you claim"

"why do you think this should be important to me"

I've said my mindset is better than most of humanities. 

No. What you said was

my ability for evolution and growth is the best on the planet. 

which sounds a lot more egotistical. And Dunning-Kruger doesn't just apply to intelligence, but any estimation of how your own skills/abilities/experiences compares to others. When I learned how to play football as a kid, I thought I was pretty good. My parents had spent a lot of time teaching me the importance of humility, so I modestly assigned myself as only the top 25% of kids my age. Then I went to middle school and realized that I was well below average in skill, knowledge, and coordination. 

--> @Elliott

I found this article that suggests the early cases of the virus originated from a Huanan seafood market in Wuhan.

I don't think it says that.

From the abstract:

The Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in Wuhan, China, was identified as a likely source of cases in early reports, but later this conclusion became controversial

They also, in the conclusion to their abstract, leave a very wide margin for them to be wrong:

Although there is insufficient evidence to define upstream events, and exact circumstances remain obscure, our analyses indicate that the emergence of SARS-CoV-2 occurred through the live wildlife trade in China and show that the Huanan market was the epicenter of the COVID-19 pandemic.

In their Discussion section they state:

These findings suggest that infected animals were present at the Huanan market at the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic; however, we do not have access to any live animal samples from relevant species. Additional information, including sequencing data and detailed sampling strategy, would be invaluable to test this hypothesis comprehensively.

Their argument is based on how many of the cases were from proximity to the wet market. But correlation =/= causation. They state they believe there is a causation, but it is based in a correlation. They admit that, to "conclusively" test this hypothesis, they would have needed animal samples and sequencing data, which they did not have.

Moreover, this wet market was near the Wuhan Institute of Virology. But the paper does not discuss this possible objection to their research.

It is possible the people who work at the WIV live near the Huanon Market, as the unlinked cases fall into the Taipei Residential District and not the market. In fact most cases are unlinked to the market.

Thirdly, this is assuming the data is comprehensive for China. The WHO is still asking China for ALL the data from the outbreak, at least as of 2021. [1]

The study, according to the methods section, is using data from 2020 from what I could tell.

SOURCES:

[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-56054468

Sex and gender are NOT synonyms. Stop conflating them. There are two regular biological sexes and several abnormalities often defined as intersex, but are more accurately defined as sex chromosome anomalies.

Gender is a social concept that varies from culture to culture and often determines stuff like social roles, sexual dominance, and pronouns. Pronouns are gendered, not sexed. 

--> @3RU7AL

Since you don't even claim to be conscious, why would I ask you anything?

i am functionally indistinguishable from an artificially conscious computer program

you're going to have just as much luck measuring "consciousness" as anyone has had trying to measure "free-will"

Oh, ok, so I suppose this means that whatever drivel you post, the burden of proof is on me, LOL.

Pavlovian all the way, and oh so clever...you guys are really good at this philosophy thing

-> @Shila

so, you're actually asking about ONTOLOGICAL AXIOMS

You see the sun, moon, stars, air, sky, earth, ocean, and different natural elements of life, that are already placed in the universe.

You see the cosmic universe, along with the physical manifestation of life created by humans. It’s all are part of the external reality.

of course, it is logically impossible to interact with or observe anything that is fundamentally separate from us

therefore, we are merely aspects of a much larger organism

kinda like cells in a body

-> @Ramshutu

Even Australia can’t hold a candle to China’s enviable death rate of 4/1m. It looks as though China’s policy of welding apartment buildings shut which housed an infected person REALLY worked

--> @Public-Choice

An overwhelming majority vote in the Ukrainian Parliament in March 2016 led to Shokin's removal from office after an investigation into extortion of another company led to associates who were found in possession of diamonds, cash and other valuables as well as documents and passports belonging to Shokin.

@Shila

I think you’re talking about biological “sex”. The meaning of gender and gender identity is often used in a way that incorporates preferences preferences too.

Let me correct that a little actually; because it’s a little off.

Preference figures into it a bit insofar as gender roles, and I’ve seen people incorporate gay and lesbian in those identities - but I’m primarily thinking about things like “butch” as a specific identity; and how the genderized aspect of Hertero or homosexuality also plays into it to.

So you’re kind of right - in that gender and sexual preference are not the same thing; and I kinda implied that wasn’t the case - but gender and sex are not the same the either.

-> @Vici

yeah, spinoza figured it out a few years back

--> @Shila

You're a quitter shila. With your mindset you wont be able to accomplish such a feat, but you could if you changed your perspective on life.

-> @Public-Choice

One more thing, Shokin dropped a press conference where he released everything he found on Biden:

That isn’t Shokin. 

who are "the best debaters?" the top 10 on each ones leaderboard? if it was site vs site DDO would destroy DART simply through having 20x the members. That being said, if its top 10 vs top 10 i think it would be pretty even. Although id probably still give it DDO with an active Danielle and bluesteel. Oromagi isn't going to carry, hes used to debating Hunter Bidens laptop and keeping up with the Kardashians.

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With that being said, me in 10 years beats the top 10 of both DDO and DART by myself, my ability for evolution and growth is the best on the planet. 

you can't prove or disprove anyone is truly conscious unless you are able to quantify consciousness

you can't prove or disprove anything is "external" to you

so, you're actually asking about ONTOLOGICAL AXIOMS

-> @Shila

95% or so of believers are lying about their beliefs.

There are a number of various atheist churches with various venues.

Do you recognize why atheists are opening them up, and do you agree with them?

Regards

DL

Smoking Gun: Newly Discovered Emails Confirm Joe Biden Obstructed Justice For His Son’s Foreign Business Deal

By James Agresti

August 2, 2022

Overview

Newly discovered emails prove beyond all doubt that the “true purpose” of Hunter Biden’s lucrative deal with a Ukrainian energy company was for Hunter to get “high-ranking US officials” to visit Ukraine and persuade the nation’s leaders to “close down” all criminal “cases/pursuits against” the firm’s primary owner, a notoriously corrupt oligarch with ties to Russia.

Documentation of this illegal scheme begins with a widely overlooked email on Hunter’s laptop in which a top executive of the Ukrainian firm describes the plan. Now, emails uncovered by Just Facts prove that Hunter and his partners:

• explicitly agreed to this deal. 
  
• concealed the names of top U.S. officials to “be on the safe and cautious side.”
  
• affirmed that only Hunter could credibly promise to get those officials to shield the oligarch from criminal charges.
  

Just one month later, then-Vice President Joe Biden did exactly what those emails specified by visiting Ukraine and threatening to withhold U.S. aid unless the prosecutor investigating Hunter’s cash cow was fired. Moreover, Biden did this by going after two “key targets” identified in the emails: the “President of Ukraine” and the “Prosecutor General.” . . .

Read more:

https://www.justfactsdaily.com/smoking-gun-newly-discovered-emails-confirm-joe-biden-obstructed-justice-for-his-sons-foreign-business-deal

SOURCE FOR EMAILS:

https://bidenlaptopemails.com/

--> @Vici

If you consider gender as a description of sexual orientation, physical sex, and identify, there are a ton.

So there’s 

1.) men who like men; 

2.) men who like women; 

3.) women who like men

4.) women who like women.

5.) men who like both

6.) women who like both

7.) men who like neither

8.) women who like neither

For each of the above there are versions for the case where the person feels the same gender as their physical sex, a different gender, feel completely asexual, or are transgender that have transitioned, or are waiting to transition but have transitioned or 

That’s like 30+

The issue is not that these categories don’t exist or are invalid, but that people apparently take issue at people describing themselves this way.

--> @Sidewalker

think of the "burdenofproof" as someone simply asking why they should care what you claim

why do you think this should be important to me

--> @Shila

Russia is a Communist country. It was a threat to the democratic countries in NATO and going nuclear only increased the threat.

What in the world are you talking about? Russia was a nominal member and obvious hegemon of the soviet union, but the soviet union fell.

It is not a communist country, the word "communism" means something and what it means is not "enemy of the CIA" even if you can be forgiven for getting that impression.

Communist government means a system which aims at collectivizing all production and property de jure or de facto. Not only does the Russian Federation make no such official claim, there are objective measurements for the "progress" towards communism, such as tax burden. Russia's tax code is one of the least communist in the world.

The PRC is a communist government both in name and by many of its policies, although it is more fascist than the USSR was. (note fascism is also not simply a synonym for "bad" it has characteristic definition both philosophically and economically)

The Russians are not fighting because they believe everybody should be communist, they're fighting because they've been told nazis are taking over the west. It doesn't help that there are so many pictures of obvious nazi symbolism on people claiming to serve Ukraine.

What Putin believes, knows, and why he attacked is not something I can figure out with public information; but this is not about communism.

The west and NATO countries would welcome a denuclearized Russia after Putin.

This is pure fantasy. The UK didn't trust the USA to be the sole party with nuclear weapons and they were as close allies as you are likely to see. Nobody is going to denuclearize so long as a single battalion can be raised by a possible invader.

It's something to work towards but world peace comes before world disarmament.

 

Let’s chat about the atheist religion and it's superior to the God religions.' morals.

Believers in the mainstream god religions often denigrate and discriminate against atheists, non-believers and rival religions on moral grounds. Godless mean without a moral sense to them.

Last month, almost 1,000 people streamed into a [Atheist] church in San Francisco for an unprecedented event billed as “Beyoncé Mass

'Atheist' Nations Are More Peaceful - YouTube

Regards

DL

--> @Shila

I understand the situation and the great reward for humanity.

What is the problem with A & E following Satan's God given command to ignore God's command?

Yahweh did not put Satan there to be ignored.

Get with the story by recognizing that in the myth part of Christianity, just as in nature, the epitome of evil to a man is a woman.

Have you not noted the definitely female breasts they give Satan in the Vatican's Expulsion painting?

Regards

DL

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@Shila

https://www.manhattan-institute.org/white-cops-dont-commit-more-shootings

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/07/19/academic-research-on-police-shootings-and-race/