Shila

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 @Shila

Shila, wrote: All the more reason to take the Bible/Genesis literally. It applies to every aspect and deepest truths of human essence.

Should it be taken literally at all times? Or just some of the time?

But the Bible was written to be taken seriously and literally and not metaphorically.

So how does a dead person bury another dead person?

Some of the people of the world are dead to Christ. They do not see His beauty, nor do they hear His voice or desire to follow Him. Only His “sheep” will do those things (John 10:27). The people of the world are those whom the Savior describes here as the (spiritually) dead who should bury the (physically) dead. Let people, He says, who are not interested in My work, and who are “dead in sin” (Ephesians 2:1), take care of the dead. Your duty is now to follow Me.

I agree. I have argued here many times that "let the dead bury the dead" Luke 9:60  is simply metaphorical. IE. anyone outside of Jesus' circle were simply called "the dead" and those that joined his cause were the "living". So, this is not a literal "dead" and not to be taken literally, is it?   So, are you still saying that

" the Bible was written to be taken seriously and literally#76

Let the spiritually dead bury the dead should be taken literally.

I agree simply because this is what the verse means. But the BIBLE and the actual words of JESUS do not refer LITERALY to the dead being spiritually dead, does it?  Lazarus in my opinion wasn't LITERALLY DEAD, it was a simple lapse of faith in the cause and the movement and he was only spiritually dead. Similarly, when one is referred to "having a demon" doesn't mean one to be literally possessed by a demonic spirit. Therefore, it is not to be taken literally. If it doesn't actually mean what it actually says, then it is metaphorical or simply what we today would call an idiom of the time.

Why do you not start a thread on the subject, Shilla?

I still have to earn the recognition before I start expanding on the subject.

Recognition for what exactly?

Recognition of my spirituality and scriptural leaning.

And you are expecting this recognition to come from who?

The spiritually alive.

You can correct me if I am wrong, but I recognise that you believe in God and the bible and have your own understanding of it.  And I am sure there are a few more here that will say the same. Does this make me "spiritually alive" in your eyes?

 You appear to be saying that you would only start a thread as long as everyone agrees with you and that we should somehow appreciate your own understanding and belief in scripture to be superior.

The spiritually alive.

Will you define what you mean by "spiritually alive"?

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Polytheist-Witch: Not sure what all that bullshit has to do with what I said. Just more of your goddamn cut and paste atheist Bible bullshit.

Polytheist-Witch: Nope

—> @Shila

Above is a sample of the confusion raging on the subject of morality.

how do you personally determine what is a "moral issue" and what is not a "moral issue" ?

@the witch

 If you're not actively hating 

You are the only single person on this whole forum that spends her demented time hating everyone.

I honestly believe you that are ill , Witch. Are there no wings of bat or toes of newt healing potions that you can take?

No one has gotten the word

-> @3RU7AL

I would like to address the same problem Coal brought up which is the government rewarding Black women financially for he destruction of the nuclear family (which BLM bizarrely describes as a good thing in their manifesto)

Every socio metric proves without any reasonable doubt that this breakdown is detrimental for society, and particularly destructive for the affected children.

Women initiate divorce 70% of the time, and Black women are among the highest offenders.

There needs to be both a cultural shift in America followed by policy changes and laws that discourage women initiated divorces  instead of blindly maintaining the status quo encouraging the destruction of the nuclear family. Similar policies need to also discourage having children out of wedlock.

Since Black children are unfairly and unequally harmed by the destruction of the nuclear family, Black children stand the most to benefit from this cultural change.

--> @3RU7AL

because you know what is moral and what is immoral because you know what is objectively moral

And how do you know this copyright protection subject is an issue of morality?

--> @K_Michael

SkepticalOne: How much in-vitro fertilization do you think was occurring in the first century?!

--> @Shila

He only has a few debates to his credit and not a regular poster. Try asking a member who is more active.

Tejre tics: I was on DDO from January 2015, was ranked #7 on the site (which had a much larger user base than DART does now), was on the DDO Hall of Fame, and had over 130 debates on there. Not being active on DART isn’t the same as not having debated for a while. 

Liberals legitimately have more sympathy for a hardened violent criminal than they do for an ordinary person who utters a racial slur once during a heated confrontation. Sick ideology!

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In the first instance yes.

In the second, we are prepared to collectively contradict ourselves.

Thou shalt not kill, unless it is a necessary requirement of the collective

@the Witch

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 @Shila

Shila, wrote: All the more reason to take the Bible/Genesis literally. It applies to every aspect and deepest truths of human essence.

Should it be taken literally at all times? Or just some of the time?

But the Bible was written to be taken seriously and literally and not metaphorically.

So how does a dead person bury another dead person?

Some of the people of the world are dead to Christ. They do not see His beauty, nor do they hear His voice or desire to follow Him. Only His “sheep” will do those things (John 10:27). The people of the world are those whom the Savior describes here as the (spiritually) dead who should bury the (physically) dead. Let people, He says, who are not interested in My work, and who are “dead in sin” (Ephesians 2:1), take care of the dead. Your duty is now to follow Me.

I agree. I have argued here many times that "let the dead bury the dead" Luke 9:60  is simply metaphorical. IE. anyone outside of Jesus' circle were simply called "the dead" and those that joined his cause were the "living". So, this is not a literal "dead" and not to be taken literally, is it?   So, are you still saying that

" the Bible was written to be taken seriously and literally#76

Why do you not start a thread on the subject, Shilla?

I still have to earn the recognition before I start expanding on the subject.

Recognition for what exactly?

Recognition of my spirituality and scriptural leaning.

And you are expecting this recognition to come from who?

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Jesus did not think he would need a 20 year patent or copyright protections because he was already granted eternity.

Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

that doesn't tell us if he expects royalties

and is this a special case just for the jesus ?

or does everyone deserve copyright protections ?

Polytheist-Witch: There's another good reason to be a fat ass if you're fat, you're stupid and if you're stupid people know your theist and then they don't even have to ask

--> @Shila

Right and wrong is actually quite consistent across the board.

what does jesus teach us about copyright law ?

Jesus demanded his name be mentioned.

Matthew 28:18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

does this mean that the jesus was an advocate for 20 year patent and copyright protections ?

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Shila, wrote: All the more reason to take the Bible/Genesis literally. It applies to every aspect and deepest truths of human essence.

Should it be taken literally at all times? Or just some of the time?

But the Bible was written to be taken seriously and literally and not metaphorically.

So how does a dead person bury another dead person?

Why do you not start a thread on the subject, Shilla?

I still have to earn the recognition before I start expanding on the subject.

Recognition for what exactly?

The only way Eve could have communicated with the serpent is if the serpent spoke

Polytheist-Witch: Nope

-> @Shila

Polytheist-Witch: Well considering you don't even know what a witch is I'm not really worried about you going out looking for witches to be targeted. Dumb cunt.

--> @Shila

Shila, dont you come back no mo, no mo, hit the road Jak, and dont you come bak no mo

--> @Shila

You continue to cite Shokin's replacement. Assuming he is more credible than Shokin is begging the question. The nazi officials which replaced previous judges also had radically different opinions and people also claimed that the previous officials were corrupt or useless.

It's a "he said she said" situation if you look at testimony alone. You need to look at contextual evidence to go further.

-> @Ehyeh

You're a determinist Michael. Determinists will forever limit their potential.

do you think the same thing about "indeterminists" ?

-> @Shila

RationalMadman: At least you stopped calling me RationalMoron.

i just accepted the "biden has dementia" debate challenged.

the description was really long and the character limit is 10k words.  my opponent, despite having no debate history, seems pretty dedicated, im kinda scared.  my win-loss rate might go down the shitter.  

or even worse, i might have to spend 20 hours writing a novel explaining definitions of things.  lol

--> @Shila

They appear to be good choices for anyone, regardless of their name, so that would make this proposition true via modus ponens, I suppose.

--> @Shila

You can't have it both ways - either Jesus was born of a virgin or he had a biological father. Both cannot be true at the same time. 

--> @3RU7AL

but you pretend that isn't the same as "being a racist"

Is it, if I find out after the fact? I don't think so. Doesn't make me thrilled, but what can I do, I signed a legal document with no "promise you're not a racist" opt out clause.  Also in my example, it might not even be a conscious thing by the building owner...it might be that some realtor who isn't mine wouldn't show a black person my building. 

--> @Shila

The fact that Jesus was a male suggests he had a father who contributed the Y chromosome.

There is no DNA of Jesus so far as I am aware. At best, we can say he presented himself as male. 

Luke even points to Joseph son of Heli as father of Jesus,

Well, this is awkward. 

I (non-believer) must point out you (believer) are taking that verse out of context. The author was describing the consensus of those who didnt have his 'insight'. The Gospel according to Luke describes Jesus would be born of the virgin Mary. It cannot be true that the author both thought Jesus was born of a virgin and also that Joseph was his biological father.

Luke 1:30-38

And the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. And behold, you will conceive in your womb and give birth to a son, and you shall name Him Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David; and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and His kingdom will have no end.” But Mary said to the angel, “How will this be, since I am a virgin?” The angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; for that reason also the holy Child will be called the Son of God. And behold, even your relative Elizabeth herself has conceived a son in her old age, and she who was called infertile is now in her sixth month. For nothing will be impossible with God.” And Mary said, “Behold, the Lord’s bond-servant; may it be done to me according to your word.” And the angel departed from her.

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zedvictor4

I'd agree that collective moral sets exist,

But see no reason for an individual not to have their own morality.

Shila: This is why society rejects individuals that refuse to conform to established moral principles.

Such often occurs, true.

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Is that why you leave your personal information as unknown?

There's nothing of any conversational value in anyone's personal information, mine especially, I figure if someone's interested they'll ask, if not it matters little to whatever subject is at hand. Not to mention that information invites bias. 

--> @Shila

Shila, hit the road jack

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Shila, time for you to move on.

Apparrently youve never head of M.A.D. , that, was happening from 1960 til 1990's .  I also call it nuts, and that is why humanity complained enough that governments all agreed, that M.A.D. is NUTS and reduced the amount of 24hr, 360 days a year B-52 bombers in the sky ready to drop bombs on a moments notice.

If I were to make a team from debateart.com, I would choose these people in no particular order given that these people each specialize in different topics:

1. Bones

2. Christianm

3. MisterChris

4. Fruit_Inspector

5. Semperfortis

6. Public-Choice

7. Ehyeh 

Those Theists you are talking about tend come at me with both guns blazing, for some reason I really get under those guys skin, and I have more fun landing on them with both feet than I do Atheists.  Don’t be surprised when you and I are on the same side of those debates. 

Heck, as far as I can tell, you and I are on the same side of our own debate, it sure sounds to me like you are saying the BOP game is BS, you just don’t want to admit it.  But no worries, I’m OK with you always being wrong 😊

Is there any evidence that bans on grenades, rocket launchers and c4 bombs save lives?  

Why aren't these included in the right to bear arms?

--> @Vici

Assuming parthenogenesis, Jesus would have been female. That would make Jesus trans

--> @3RU7AL

but what specific policy are you proposing

I'm not proposing any policy. I'm just saying I've seen white privilege in action...like every time the shoplifter alarm goes off and a white person just keeps walking, while a POC has their bag checked prior to being waved through. That's a small example, not something to do with, say, the ability to borrow money or the 400 year head start on building of wealth and making of laws. 

and how are people who are NOT descendants of slave-owners

supposed to "not feel attacked" when they keep hearing about "white privilege"

I don't feel attacked at all when I hear about it. Why would I? I don't propagate it even if I recognize that I might have had some advantages because of it, unwittingly...like when I applied for a mortgage

--> @Tejretics

So you’ve been around for a while - what are your perceptions about how debate and discussion have changed in a general sense since you started debating - what common topics and themes of the past have dwindled and (aside from Trump) which themes that get a lot of air time today do you feel are brand new?

-> @Shila

That 3% of white Americans who owned slaves did not include the number of people the slaves had to serve which included the owners family, relatives, friends and neighbours.

More than half the souther states were Slave states. So the 3% is misleading.

let's look at some numbers

1860 Census

Families Owning Slaves (%)

Delaware 3%

Maryland 12%

Missouri 13%

Arkansas 20%

Kentucky 23%

Tennessee 25%

Virginia 26%

North Carolina 28%

Texas 28%

Louisiana 29%

Florida 34%

Alabama 35%

Georgia 37%

South Carolina 46%

Mississippi 49%

All but five of those states contained at least 25% of the families as slaveholders — some nearly double that. As pointed out by Jamelle Bouie and Rebecca Onion in a 2015 Slate article, these numbers are “roughly the same percentage of Americans who, today, hold a college degree.” [**]

SO, IF A RANDOM WHITE PERSON'S ANCESTORS WERE RAISED IN IDAHO, OR NEW YORK, OR WISCONSIN, HOW ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO FEEL GUILTY ABOUT ANY OF THIS ?

Polytheist-Witch: The great thing about being fat is the people that will judge you for being fat don't want to be friends with you so you have a better class of friends.

--> @Shila

My Kingdom to have the power to have atheist walk their talk, as it pertains to homophobia,  misogyny and abdicating of ones responsibility for ones actions to a savior.

I guess that how quickly atheists and other moral people end those sins will be what atheism, at the end of the day, will be judged by.

Someone needs to light a fire under the asses of decent people.

If not atheists, then who.

I am not an atheist, having suffered my apotheosis, but I recognize quality.

Regards

DL

--> @Shila

You see that as moral equivalency?

I see it as the opposite.

Here again I offer my sympathy to your poor thinking.

I'm out of here.

Regards

DL

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@Shila

I do not struggle with the story.

What facts?

Can a myth be known as factual?

If you believe talking serpents and donkeys are logical and or real, then I do not know how to continue.

All I can do is offer my sympathies.

Regards

DL

--> @Shila

Right and wrong is actually quite consistent across the board.

what does jesus teach us about copyright law ?

--> @Stephen

The Sumerian epic of the deluge predates  the biblical flood by thousands of years. The flood story is not the only biblical story lifted from the epics of Sumer and adopted by the Hebrew writers as part of their own history.

3RU7AL: copyright infringement !!!!!!!!!

--> @3RU7AL

Polytheist _Witch: Says the guy who doesn't believe in copyright infringement.

--> @Shila

My Kingdom to have the power to have atheist walk their talk, as it pertains to homophobia,  misogyny and abdicating of ones responsibility for ones actions to a savior.

I guess that how quickly atheists and other moral people end those sins will be what atheism, at the end of the day, will be judged by.

Someone needs to light a fire under the asses of decent people.

If not atheists, then who.

I am not an atheist, having suffered my apotheosis, but I recognize quality.

Regards

DL

--> @Shila

It also states that serpents and donkeys can talk human.

What that timing thing is telling you is a truth.

The bible's scenarios and archetypal characters are fiction and timeless.

They are to represent all of us, as good fiction does.

Unfortunately, the less bright began to believe in the supernatural and corrupted a decent naturalist religion.  

The good was spelled Chrestianity while the evil became Christianity.

Regards

DL