Shila

-> @Shila

There’s no such thing as an objective right

--> @Lemming

Bringing poor people to work the minimum wage jobs forever, 'won't work,

Eventually we will reach a limit on our population,

Nor should we encourage the 'existence of minimum wage jobs,

First, the Federal minimum wage should be $15/hr. That’s 30,000 a year. Nobody should work 40 hours a week and live in poverty.

Second, I guess it’s a good thing we didn’t reach the “population limit” before your family came to America. Kind of selfish of you isn’t it?

Third, in America, one generation works to make the next generation better, when starting at the bottom of the income and job ladder. Their kids can go to school/college and be anything their talent and work ethic will allow. That’s the American Dream.

DART needs better advertising. Although its much cleaner than DDO (at least in its latter years) it still doesn't have many active members. Can we not put some goddamn YouTube ads up or something?

--> @Shila

If a nation 'accepts refugees, makes a resolution to accept and welcome them to safety, sanctuary,

Then I'd agree they ought have decent living conditions, decent attention, respect, welcome.

--> @Shila

You don't need a degree to be a race grifter.

-> @thett3

He's a troll, for sure. Without question or doubt

--> @Shila

Lol, if you paid 100k for gender studies, that's on you bro.

--> @Shila

That could be a more humane method, than randomly sending them without any choice of their own, or knowledge of where they're going.

Though that part of my post was more of my musing on 'legal residents of cities and states

--> @Shila

the ONLY "judge" of a debate (that matters) is your opponent

Is that how Biden saw Trump during the presidential debates? Biden dismissed Trump several times during the debate as irrelevant and out of touch.

and do you think that was an effective tactic ?

Biden won both the debates and the elections. Most would agree that was an effective tactic.

i doubt trump found it personally persuasive though

I admit no such thing.

ALL Lives Matter.

Blacks rioting, burning black homes and businesses, and killing other blacks "helps black cause"?

A violent black criminal being taken off the street saves lives. Just like Ma'Khia Bryant being shot and killed by police. That officer saved a black life, and likely more in doing so

-> @Shila

I sure did. Contract rates don't care about the name on a degree. It's a simple checkbox on the wage calculation. But they don't tell you that in the brochures, so your take is understandable.

There's value in moving between locations easy,

But what 'value is their in the locations identity or claims?

Just rambling.

--> @Shila

>@TWS1405

When a white police officer shoots a black man, 9 out of 10 times he deserved it due to his own piss poor choices/actions.

The BIll Cosby anecdote is poorly utilized and, in the end, irrelevant.

Again, blacks ARE racist, and they victimize their own, whites, Asians and Hispanics.

So why are blacks compensated in the millions. Has it dawned on you that Black Lives Matter?

It's cheaper to settle than go through a full-blown trial. I've told you this before. It is precisely why many people, companies, and agencies "settle" vs trial. 

Another key factor is the underlining issue and the outcome if everyone went to trial and the black families lost = riots. That's why those families get a settlement. It's cheaper, and it avoids further violent rioting and loss of life.

--> @Shila

27M mistake. Ben Crump is a whaaambulance chaser. 

Floyd killed himself. Period. The entire trial from beginning (indictment) to end was a farce. A political witch hunt to take advantage of dividing the country even further while demonizing cops and giving blacks carte blanche to riot, pillage, burn, and yes, even kill. 

Tejretics: I don’t have experiences of systemic/structural racism in the US. I’ve had the occasional person say something like “Go back to your country!” on the street (which I guess is not really racism as much as xenophobia?), but as far as I can tell, no real racism either. I feel like South Asians are relatively well-off in the US, and don’t face the degree of racism that people from other racial backgrounds have to go through. 

--> @Shila

A collective can be ten or ten million.

Floyd died of a LETHAL OVERDOSE of fentanyl because he didn't want to get caught with it, yet again. 

The audio of the body cam of the first officer's approaching his vehicle is crystal clear, he was already beginning to suffer respiratory distress. 

During his arrest, resisting, the adrenaline was slowing the process but once he was on the ground calming down, adrenaline ceasing, the LETHAL overdose took its toll on his already well documented poor health and he died because of that LETHAL overdose and poor health, not because of a knee. 

Toxicology reports affirm the LETHAL dose mixed with meth. He killed himself. 

When a white police officer shoots a black man, 9 out of 10 times he deserved it due to his own piss poor choices/actions.

The BIll Cosby anecdote is poorly utilized and, in the end, irrelevant.

Again, blacks ARE racist, and they victimize their own, whites, Asians and Hispanics.

--> @SupaDudz

The opposite speaks for itself, if a black man has views that are not of the Liberal agenda, the left excommunicates them WORSE than anyone on the MAGA side

We definitely are puzzled by black conservatives or worse, Trump supporters. Why would a black man support a party that says George Floyd or Travon Martin deserved to die? Why would a black man support a party that doesn’t even believe systemic racism exists in this country. A party that does everything they can to prevent blacks from voting. A party that believes Barrack Obama isn’t a US citizen. A party that deliberately under funds black neighborhoods drinking water systems. A Party that’s thinks crack cocaine is worse than powder cocaine because blacks use it.

-> @Shila

If one’s belief as to whether an action is moral is subjective, then it cannot by definition “turn out to be moral”.

For it to turn out to be moral implies that there is an objective right or wrong answer.

--> @Lair77

I don't mean on a professional level.  I mean on a human level.  People's quality of life in general. 

But this presumes that the most important social interactions occur in work environments. Case in point: most of my most significant relationships are those with whom I've never worked. There are other venues in which people can meet and interact.

I'm not making any value judgment on that.  I just know that the Americans/Europeans that are cheering for remote work because it makes their financial life better will later see it differently once it makes their financial life worse.

How would it make their lives "financial worse"? Is a decrease in nominal wages necessarily a financial disaster? 

--> @badger

There are plenty of affordable colleges in America, but the propaganda is high on selling big names on the diploma.

Not everyone needs a Ferrari to get from point A to point B.

My grad school was hella-cheap. Paid it off in 3 years.

--> @Shila

the ONLY "judge" of a debate (that matters) is your opponent

Is that how Biden saw Trump during the presidential debates? Biden dismissed Trump several times during the debate as irrelevant and out of touch.

and do you think that was an effective tactic ?

--> @cristo71

Well, in the brief times I’ve been there, you can see older folks trying to sell things on the street. Evidently, when taken in the context of the high cost of living there, Singapore’s version of Social Security isn’t enough to get by, and most citizens don’t financially plan for retirement properly.

Here’s one of several articles:

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/singapores-retirement-system-worth-studying/

I have to wonder how much of the population's percentage these people are. There are some people in life who are just destined to fail, not matter how great the system is.

--> @Tejretics

What’s your preferred Indian political party?

-> @Shila

Because the collective is never 100% of everyone, then everyone is always an exception to someone else's rule.

--> @Shila

I am beginning to think you're a troll account. The nonsense you're talking is on par with what wylted used to do when he was trying to stir the pot.  

--> @Shila

Nope. It's the black children that would benefit more than white kids

--> @Avery

However, people are going to be miserable being 600 lbs and watching tv all day. Being that helpless and immobile is soul-destroying.

There are people out there who love being waited on hand and foot. To them being immobile isn't soul crushing but the best luxury in life.

There are also people for whom it WOULD be soul crushing for. I am not saying everyone should be 600 pounds. I am just saying that something like "quality" varies from person to person. So their quality of life can change significantly.

For some, a wife, kids, and picket fenced house is the dream come true. For others, it is being a billionaire with a private jet. Comparative to each other, the quality of life is drastically different. However, they are both a good quality of life.

Some people love food. So eating a lot of it is their ideal quality of life. While others enjoy having an impracticably "swol" body. Others enjoy running marathons and doing Iron Man challenges.

All of these have extreme negatives to them. Bodybuilders can't really use their muscles for anything because they might make a strain by accident. They also need to eat 3,500+ calories a day and maintain 3% body fat, meaning they basically live off of protein shakes and steaks and maybe chicken. Goodbye pizza, carbs, burgers, desserts, and even vegetables to a degree. Most people would call that a horrible quality of life. Body builders are also prone to knee and back injuries.

Marathon runners can have knee and other physiological problems later in life due to the shear volume of running. They might need knee replacements, meniscus operations, and more. These are problems that will affect them the rest of their lives.

And the guy who is 600 pounds can't be mobile. Which h most people would hate. 

But we aren't going to say they all have terrible quality of life. It is subjective to what each person wants. To those people, they might be able to live with the consequences for their lifestyles. 

This is why it is subjective. 

--> @Shila

Polytheist-Witch: You're too stupid to keep engaging with. 

--> @Shila

-> @Shila

You are simply ignoring what I have written.

Jesus didn't once utter the words let the SPIRITUAL dead bury the dead, now did he.

Luke 9:60

King James Version

60 Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.

The story is metaphorical, there -by proving the bible is not, as you insist,   to be taken literally at all times. Here is an example from scripture that should prove my point.

The wayward son.

Luke 15:1-24 KJV - Then drew near unto him all the - Bible Gateway

Luke 15:24  " For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry."

 So we see, the son was neither literally lost nor literally dead, was he? These are simple idioms and not to be taken literal as you keep insisting. The son simply defied his father, went off to explore the world outside the tent and apparently found it to be shite so returned home full of apologies

How can spiritually dead be metaphorical when the Bible speaks about it literally?

But the BIBLE doesn't actually and literally state "spiritual dead"   now does it!?  I have agreed that the MEANING is referring to those not in his circle or those that didn't believe him were seen to be dead as in the case of Lazarus. Lazarus had simply lost faith in the cause and wanted out until Jesus went and spoke with him.... after lingering down by the river for a few extra days after hearing the sad news of the "death" of his friend. He certainly didn't rush back to "resurrect" the disciple he loved so much, did he? 

 

This is why morality will always be subjective. There is no resolving this.

To claim something is subjective is to claim that there is no right or wrong answer.

If there is no right or wrong answer then the statement A and B are both moral cannot follow, because you have to accept that there is a right answer as to whether either is moral to even assert it.

So no, that’s not literally what that means.

This is a pretty great post, but I don't agree on two things:

(1) Quality of life isn't that subjective and is arguably pretty objective. Sure, people enjoy different things. However, people are going to be miserable being 600 lbs and watching tv all day. Being that helpless and immobile is soul-destroying. Your health is also going to decline substantially, along with your mood as a result.

There's research on others who get one/multiple limbs destroyed (usually due to a motor accident), and whilst they recover after the initial shock, they never reach the general public's average life happiness again.

(2) BMI doesn't get any ethnic group but White's "completely wrong". They might be off more than the Whites, but they're within the ballpark

No, we don't know whether Blacks are mostly racist (despite people thinking they know), but we do know they are the most racist

--> @Shila

I am not going to find the 3 times you called me it in your 108 pages, it isn't worth the digging

--> @IwantRooseveltagain

So I'm going to trust a foreign expert who is an outsider looking in above people who actually live in Ukraine and give factual evidence for their assertions?

What is this, logical fallacy land?

--> @Shila

That is why you need moderators and judges.

the ONLY "judge" of a debate (that matters) is your opponent

It's next to impossible peering through a crowd and spotting someone doing something immoral. 

NEVER have you seen someone commit an act that youve. Seen and " insta deemed " as immoral. 

A killer might help a old lady across a street one day thus completely throwing us off. 

It would be rare to  see a killing. 

Not so rare for old lady getting helped. 

It seems. ...   

Morals had to have been drempt up ( made up ) and put in motion.    so peoples and persons  can not " have fun " ( WHEN THEY ( the maker upoers )  ARE NOT THERE )   

The whole concept of morals was made up purely, i mean surly  to stop people having sex with peoples womens.  

So back to the first thing .

People put these things out there soooo people dont partake in  debuchery when they are not . 

Why???

Because you do not want to miss out on that awsome fun . 

High 5. 

--> @Shila

Post it a third time and it still has nothing to do with nope.

--> @Shila

And how do you know this copyright protection subject is an issue of morality?

Copying someone else’s material is the same as stealing intellectual property and any form of stealing is a issue of morality.

is is moral or immoral for copyright protection to expire after 20 years ?

is is moral or immoral for copyright protection to expire after 100 years ?

--> @3RU7AL

the ONLY person who can properly determine how CONVINCING your arguments are

is the PERSON you are debating

SELF-MODERATED DEBATES

Well few people are going to be convinced of something based on a debate they had. Many will just still think they are right even when all the facts and evidence are overwhelming that they are wrong.

--> @Shila

Yes, you miss the point for a second time.

Though what you say is obviously true.

But only until circumstances dictate otherwise.

It is sometimes deemed necessary for the collective to be selectively moral.

And of course, the collective is never 100% of everyone.

--> @Greyparrot

I was referring to the corrupt nature of a legal system, where the primary consideration is money.

Shouldn't the application of law not be based upon the ability of the individual to pay.

But solely upon the precise interpretation of law.  

--> @Shila

You are simply ignoring what I have written.

Jesus didn't once utter the words let the SPIRITUAL dead bury the dead, now did he.

Luke 9:60

King James Version

60 Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.

The story is metaphorical, there -by proving the bible is not, as you insist,   to be taken literally at all times. Here is an example from scripture that should prove my point.

The wayward son.

Luke 15:1-24 KJV - Then drew near unto him all the - Bible Gateway

Luke 15:24  " For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry."

 So we see, the son was neither literally lost nor literally dead, was he? These are simple idioms and not to be taken literal as you keep insisting. The son simply defied his father, went off to explore the world outside the tent and apparently found it to be shite so returned home full of apologies

Correlation =/= causation.

There are few illnesses that obesity causes. The rest are not necessarily caused by obesity, but tend to be with obese people due to there being similarities in diet, living conditions, etc.

Quality of life is subjective. Some people are completely content watching TV all day. You can be 600 pounds and your quality of life not affected at all if all you do is watch TV.

Also, one other thing to consider is the BMI is being grossly misapplied by the medical complex. It was invented to gauge population obesity, not individual health. But, it particularly is for white people. Nobody realizes this. [1]

Africans, for instance, have a higher bone density than most white ethnicities. [2] Moreover, Asians tend to have a higher body fat percentage than white people of the same BMI measurement. [3] The BMI was based on European ethnicity, so it gets these other ethnic groups completely wrong.

The only way to properly gauge a person's proper weight is based on body fat percentage as derived from objective measures, such as DEXA scans and CT or MRI scans. [4] 

Or, for those who don't have the money for these things, looking in the mirror and seeing if they have two chins or a sizeable pot belly or cottage cheese where skin used to be.

"Getting less than an "A" in college is a waste of everyone's time"  Anonymous

-->@Shila

Do you have a source for this? It sounds like interesting reading.

--> @oromagi

I do like the Norman Rockwell portrait of Nixon better than the portrait of Nixon by James Anthony Wills.

James Anthony Wills, hair looks too square, eyes don't look right, really the whole face feels a bit off somehow, too much yellow in background, though the artist signature isn't as obtrusive as Norman Rockwell's.

Norman Rockwell's just look more human to me, real, or has 'character of how I think of Nixon.

Richard M. Nixon - White House Historical Association (whitehousehistory.org) James Anthony Wills

https://ids.si.edu/ids/media_view?id=NPG-NPG_72_2Nixon-000001&container.fullpage&iframe=true&width=85%25&height=85%25 Norman Rockwell

Donald Trump’s reelection campaign, which never received a cent from the former president, moved an estimated $2.8 million of donor money into the Trump Organization. In addition, one of the campaign’s joint-fundraising committees, which collects money in partnership with the Republican Party, shifted about $4.3 million of donor money into Trump’s business from January 20, 2017, to December 31, 2020.

I wonder if I could stock shelves from home using a remote controlled robot. . .