Shila

Educated northerners treat immigrants with humanity - the opposite of how southern “Christians” treat people trying to escape political turmoil, economic instability and a chronic humanitarian crisis.

--> @Shila

Pugilists stand in the same boxing ring because fighting from different venues is pointless

Everyone on the stand LIED regarding Floyd’s obvious overdose. He took it as cops were walking up and died of respiratory distress and heart failure DUE TO FENTANYL OVERDOSE MIXED WITH ORHER ILLICIT DRUGS. period. Fact. Period. 

--> @Shila

Slavery was practiced all around the world by various other races, not just White people. You have unfairly targeted Whites. 

That makes whites as low as other races.

To include blacks/Africans. 

You do know (likely not) that Africans were enslaving their own and selling them off to Muslims (among others) long before America came into the picture. Also, the very first legally recognized slaver owner in America was a black African, a former slave himself, and he was notoriously brutal.

Also, White people were the first race to push for the end of slavery.

Whites ended slavery after sleeping with slaves became fashionable.

Does stupidity come naturally to you, or do you have to work at it?

Your hatred of White people is not only disgusting, but unfounded on total ignorance, you absolute buffoon. 

Whites hate whites. Remember 2 world wars in Europe and now a third on the way. Whites killing whites is messy but necessary.

The wars have nothing to do with skin color. 

Again, does being stupid come naturally or do you have to work at it. 

--> @Shila

Why are you using an argument you are most Skeptical about?

I am trying to make sense of my interlocutor's views. Assuming his views for the sake of argument allows he and I some (temporary) common ground.

Really? It’s interesting that you don’t know the basics of a Chapter 11 bankruptcy. 6 Chapter 11 bankruptcies out of more than 500 separate businesses. I’d call that a massive success.

--> @Tejretics

Like I just did in the Politics forum, here are some of my controversial philosophical views. Would love to chat about any of them! Also check out my AMA.

• Epistemic nihilism is false. I’m not sure its truth can actually be evaluated, but at minimum, it’s useless and unproductive. 
  
• God almost certainly doesn’t exist. 
  
• Highly uncertain about this, but free will probably exists. 
  
• Moral realism is probably true, though highly uncertain. 
  
• Common sense morality is, all things considered, a pretty good metric. 
  
• The best approximation of a good moral theory that I can think of is preference utilitarianism, albeit somewhat skittish, accounting for moral uncertainty with either expected choice-worthiness or a parliamentary model, and incorporating some unusually strong common sense intuitions. 
  
• Creating new happy lives is a good thing, though not as good as making existing people happy. Creating new bad lives is a bad thing (though not as bad, other things equal, as inflicting suffering on existing people). 
  
• Countries don’t have very large special obligations to their own citizens. They should prioritize their citizens a bit more than non-citizens, for pragmatic reasons, but policy should, in general, focus a lot more on the rest of the world. 
  
• Individuals have a moral obligation to assist those in need. 
  
• We should care, morally, as much about future generations as the current one. Of course, for practical reasons, it often makes sense to prioritize the interests of people alive today, but the moral worth of someone 300 or 3000 years from now is no different than the moral worth of someone alive today.
  

Your profile says you studied math and economics. None of the views you listed are covered by your education.

Polytheist-Witch: Another threat expressing the butt hurt of white man.

--> @Tarik

1st of all I NEVER conflated imperfection with sin. 2nd you haven’t validated anything. 3rd the only dishonest one is you for not providing any support for any of your claims.

1. You don't need to - it's explicitly spelled out in your holy book. 2/3. I apparently gave you too much credit when assuming you had passing knowledge of the Bible while pointing out the conflict between your explicit views and core Christian doctrines. Link  Original sin is thought to be a built-in corruption of mankind - an imperfection which makes humanity worthy of punishment by default. So, yes, according to your religion and holy book, God does punish for imperfection.

--> @Deb-8-a-bull

600lbs is a tad on the big side, doesn't matter what colour you are.

For sure, certain afro-ethnic sub-groups do have a genetic predisposition for big arses.

But to be fair, so do a lot of Caucasians. (Gender neutral)

Pop into town and sit on a bench with a coffee and a bun and watch people go by.

And you will see that they come in a staggering array of genetically modified shapes and sizes.

Knock knees and bowlegs are prime examples of evolutionary diversity.

But just one bun and make sure you walk.

So for sure, some people a naturally big.

And then some just don't realise that dinners over.

BMI. Body Mass Index

BMF. Big Mother Fucker

--> @RationalMadman

I am just telling it like it was and it was great entertainment. I am indifferent otherwise. No ones mind was ever changed because of a debate. I come here to hear different points of view to challenge my own. Things that I used to believe that I don't believe anymore because of this site and the other site. 

I don't believe in god in the terms humanity describes God anymore. . I believe in a creator  and I also don't think that creator has mass. I think the creator is a massless, intelligent form of infinite pure energy. Space, time and mass does not apply to the creator because the creator created space, time and mass. The creator does not care about outcome, most especially sporting events.

I used to think not anything was possible.  Someone said Anything is possible so long as it doesn't defy the laws of physics. That stuck with me.

I used to think there was no way people would choose tyranny over freedom,  I don't think that anymore.

-->@Shila

Why do you work for minimum wage?

I truly wish I was making the minimum wage rather than what I make currently. The minimum wage is entirely sufficient for me to fund all my endeavors, with plenty of room for cool things like vacations! if I was making minimum wage, and someone offered more money, I would surely refuse. In fact, it greatly saddens me that I make more than $7.25 an hour (the minimum wage in my state).

--> @RationalMadman

I swear, Shila sounds like a chatbot sometimes, mumbling algorithmic poetry

RationalMadman: The real solution is to help them feel comfortable in their genuine body, not to play games and tell them they ought to alter it to mimic the race or sex they prefer.

--> @Shila

If the Bible says good and evil come directly from the mind of God, then by definition, wouldn't they be subjective truths?

Truth cannot be subjective; there is no such thing as your truth or my truth. Truth is forever fixed. Authentic Christianity has always held that Scripture is absolute, objective truth. The Bible is God’s truth regardless of whether a person believes, understands, or likes it. It is permanent and universal truth, and therefore is the same for everyone. Deuteronomy 4:2 and Revelation 22:18–19 warn against adding to or taking away from Scripture, lest one suffer the plagues recorded therein. Proverbs 30:5–6 states: “Every word of God is tested; He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him. Do not add to His words or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar.” The Bible is God’s Word to man—inspired, objective, and absolute truth.

The very nature and use of the word “truth implies that it is referential to a dynamic, it isn’t self-referential, it refers to a relationship between things in constant change and flux because that dynamic is subject to time and progress.

The Truth is not true because Jesus said it; Jesus said it because it is true.  There is a huge difference and the difference is this; the Truth is also true when Muhammad says it, and it is just as true when an atheist says it. The Truth is simply true, no matter what the metaphysical presuppositions of the person who speaks the Truth are, and no matter in what time or place, language or culture, or in what form that truth is expressed. Absolute Truth is absolutely, universally, and eternally true.

Absolute truth is not consistent with literal truth.

--> @SkepticalOne

In the context of this conversation, imperfection and sin are synonymous. One only need consult the thread to validate this. Once again, your dishonesty is plain for all to see. 

1st of all I NEVER conflated imperfection with sin. 2nd you haven’t validated anything. 3rd the only dishonest one is you for not providing any support for any of your claims.

--> @TWS1405

Nowhere in the toxicology report is nor fentanyl mentioned. He lied. There are two references to increased levels of fentanyl in his blood at 34 and 50 ng/ML. 

Floyd killed himself. 

That’s a lie. norfentanyl is listed on the line directly below the fentanyl line in the toxicology report you attached. The amount is listed as 5.6 ng/ml

Are you stupid or a liar? Perhaps both.

--> @Shila

And OJ was innocent.

--> @oromagi

Yeah, that was the heavy hitting argument wasn't it. Its literally a description talking about what a universal is, not an argument that was plagiarised. I also got it from my description in another debate, i always assume most things are copy and pasted in such sections regardless if they're cited or not.

I posted on 9/11/22

" I am sensing troll also based on previous replies to different subjects and people."

--> @Shila

That could be a more humane method, than randomly sending them without any choice of their own, or knowledge of where they're going.

Though that part of my post was more of my musing on 'legal residents of cities and states?

Don't get me wrong, you sound like a very good dude. It's just Singer never sat right with me, especially his ideas about infanticide and regarding people with disabilities. His motivations feel inhuman.

I also wonder if you as an Indian are not perhaps more susceptible to utilitarian ideas being from such a massive country and of such pronounced poverty. 

I don't know. I think there's a lot to be careful of in utilitarian thinking. Or a lot missing. 

Not sure how so much of this turned into a discussion of my debate style, but people are welcome to their opinions of it. I know I have my flaws and, especially on DDO, I had opponents who were very good at exploiting them. And I agree with Oromagi that my arguments are generally pretty boring. I don't tend to focus on presentation, more on substance, and that's always been a problem for me when it comes to live debates where many of my opponents are effective at both. Less of a problem online, but still a pronounced one.

--> @Shila

--> @Sidewalker

@#176

Do you believe in an objective good and evil then?

Good and evil in the Bible are objective truths.

If the Bible says good and evil come directly from the mind of God, then by definition, wouldn't they be subjective truths?

--> @Shila

Trump believed debt was good. He filed 6 bankruptcies and never had to pay back the loans.

Trump believed America being a superpower could also default on its debt and no country could force it to pay.

That is Why Americans love Trump. He is tough with other peoples money.

Maybe you should learn a little bit about finance before make such ignorant claims. What do you do for a living?

--> @Shila

Both read the Bible day and night, but you read black where I read white. - William Blake

--> @Shila

Polytheist-Witch: Nobody wants to read seven  paragraphs of stupid bullshit, especially if it's just God damn Bible quotes.

--> @SkepticalOne

Is original sin not a doctrine you subscribe to? If so, how do you figure your deity doesn't punish imperfection?

Imperfect is not synonymous to sin https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/7916/post-links/345509

The Daemon/Rhaenyra thing was clever and fun. Daemon's got plenty art so far in sowing division. 

--> @Shila

--> @Shila

No, we don't know whether Blacks are mostly racist (despite people thinking they know), but we do know they are the most racist

Blacks are not racist, blacks are victims of racism.

Blacks cannot discriminate against people of  colour, they are black themselves.

Blacks cannot discriminate against white skin people because white people discriminate against blacks. Even if that was true it wouldn’t be racism. It would be called reciprocity.

When a white police officer shoots a black man. It’s racism.

When Bill Cosby raped 60 white women. The whites did not call it racism. He was not shot of convicted by the courts. It was neither a crime or racism.

Again, Blacks are not racist, blacks are victims of racism.

You are anti-White.

You hate White people.

I am white.

That has nothing to do with the fact that you hate White people.

I hate slavery so I am anti-white. Slave owners were white, so I must hate white people.

Slavery was practiced all around the world by various other races, not just White people. You have unfairly targeted Whites. 

Also, White people were the first race to push for the end of slavery.

Your hatred of White people is not only disgusting, but unfounded on total ignorance, you absolute buffoon. 

Is this why they don't care when an administration prints 20 trillion dollars? Because they were taught that it would not affect the economy? It all makes sense now.

No President ever added more to the National Debt than Donald Trump.

8 trillion in 4 years. By far the most in the country’s history.

--> @Shila

--> @Tarik

Wrong, please don’t speak for me.

SkepticalOne: There is quite a difference between speaking for you and pointing out flaws in your reasoning. I was doing the latter. Do you plan to provide any defense?

So you were thinking for Tarik which is worse than speaking  for him.

You are absolutely terrible at understanding what you are reading, aren't you?

--> @Tejretics

Interesting stuff. Thanks for answering my questions!

If you're up to it, would you want to pm back and forth about what it is like in India? I'd love to learn about your home country and culture and such. I know that you don't speak for all Indians, obviously, but it would be cool to learn about India and how it compares to the United States.

I have been reading in this forum post and it just created more questions haha.

I am sorry you experienced people yelling at you to go back to India. 

I'm sure you've learned in college that America is NOT about that at all and some people just need to catch up to the Declaration of Independence and Constitution.

One thing that saddens me about America is how so few people these days even know why we became a country and what the Declaration of Independence says about human rights. How our founding document says all people are created equal.

Yes, this country has not lived up to that for most of its existence, but I really wish we did. Because that was our ideals when we founded this country in 1776.

--> @Greyparrot

The entire 2020 election was built on Orangemanbad offense. 

If you ask any Democrat in 2022 how the Economy has impacted them, they will lie and say it is fine just so they don't get labeled as one of those "magas"

Trump wasn’t voted out because he offended people, he was voted out because he was a childish self serving incompetent buffoon who’s biggest accomplishment was to turn half the country into reality denying conspiracy theorist nut jobs.

Unlike the MAGA crowd, most democrats realize that most of what impacts the economy is beyond the president’s control, and even if we were to say that presidents have a great deal of control over the economy then all Trump did was keep Obama’s economy going.

--> @Tarik

Wrong, please don’t speak for me.

SkepticalOne: There is quite a difference between speaking for you and pointing out flaws in your reasoning. I was doing the latter. Do you plan to provide any defense?

--> @Shila

I am not arguing about what the bible states about spiritual death.  I am arguing the fact that you have stated that the bible should be taken literal and not metaphorically. HERE>>>#73 What's more, you have even recognised and admitted that Jesus spoke in parables. HERE>>#76 but then amazingly, and in the same sentence you immediately follow that up with this;

"But the Bible was written to be taken seriously and literally and not metaphorically". 

A parable is simply short fictitious story that illustrates a moral attitude, or a principle usually used only as an instructive example. 

--> @Shila

No, we don't know whether Blacks are mostly racist (despite people thinking they know), but we do know they are the most racist

Blacks are not racist, blacks are victims of racism.

Blacks cannot discriminate against people of  colour, they are black themselves.

Blacks cannot discriminate against white skin people because white people discriminate against blacks. Even if that was true it wouldn’t be racism. It would be called reciprocity.

When a white police officer shoots a black man. It’s racism.

When Bill Cosby raped 60 white women. The whites did not call it racism. He was not shot of convicted by the courts. It was neither a crime or racism.

Again, Blacks are not racist, blacks are victims of racism.

You are anti-White.

You hate White people.

--> @Shila

Copying someone else’s material is the same as stealing intellectual property and any form of stealing is a issue of morality.

The “subject” was mostly in reference to the timeline rather than the generally agreed principle that it’s wrong to steal.

--> @TWS1405

Floyd died of a LETHAL OVERDOSE of fentanyl

Q1: How much fentanyl was in his system?

Q2: How much fentanyl is enough to be considered lethal?

Q3: Do you have any medical expertise in this field, and if not, what is your source for this claim?

Q4: The toxicologist at the Chovin trial stated: “Overdose victims who die rarely have norfentanyl in their blood, since death often occurs before the body can break the drug down”. How does your position take this into account?

--> @Sidewalker

@#176

Do you believe in an objective good and evil then?

--> @Shila

Was that a 27 million dollar mistake, toxicology incompetence or police brutality against blacks?

It was fear of a terrorist organization willing to burn down city blocks in the context of prosecutors who won't charge them.

The prosecutors were black charging white police for killing George Floyd and winning a 27 million dollar settlement for George Floyd’s family.

The prosecutors were not parties to a civil case. It was the city attorneys who choose to settle.

--> @Shila

You misspelled does.

--> @Shila

Was that a 27 million dollar mistake, toxicology incompetence or police brutality against blacks?

It was fear of a terrorist organization willing to burn down city blocks in the context of prosecutors who won't charge them.