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@rosends
wow...look! more quotes from books that fdon't mean anything. Then you make a claim about prophecy which is different from what you stated earlier! You can't even keep track of your own points. You are hilarious.
Jesus quoted from 24 books in the Old Testament. The Jews rejected Jesus because of his adherence to the Old Testament. He was preparing them for their next exile.
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@Tarik
Many self proclaimed Christians don’t follow the Old Testament
Polytheist-Witch: They shouldn't, the Old Testament is for Jews. Any Christian that starts about the ten commandments as far as I'm concerned is not a Christian.
If you read the Bible you might have found the exact verse Christians used to justify burning witches.
Exodus 22:18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
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Polytheist-Witch: Act on your death threat or fuck off, pussy.
Still threatening your dying sensation less private part. Signs of menopause not misplacement of your broom.
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@rosends
The purpose and mission of the prophets were completely lost to the Jews.
so your essential argument is that Jews don't understand Judaism and Jewish ideas. OK.
Jerusalem, Killer of Prophets
SCRIPTURE READING — PSALM 147:1-7; LUKE 13:31-35
Luke 13:34 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. 35 Look, your house is left to you desolate. I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.”
— Luke 13:34
Jerusalem was supposed to be a place where God gathered the outcasts and healed the brokenhearted, not the center for killing his prophets. It had happened before, and it was happening again (see 2 Chronicles 24:20-21; Jeremiah 26:20-23; Luke 9:9). Ruled by ruthless Herod and governed by the Romans, the city of peace was again an opponent of God’s purposes. If it killed the messengers of God, what would it do with the Son of God?
Jerusalem’s opposition did not deter Jesus from continuing his journey. He didn’t shrink from his calling. He was determined to appear in Jerusalem as the Lord’s Messiah. He knew that at the time God had appointed, and not before, he too would be sentenced there to die.
Through his work of salvation and restoration, Jesus will also return one day with a new Jerusalem that truly gathers God’s people, healing the brokenhearted and binding up their wounds. Then there will be no more mourning or crying or pain (Revelation 21:1-4).
Jesus said, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick” (Luke 5:31)—physically, mentally, spiritually. This includes us: we need the healing and saving love of Jesus just as much as all who rejected him in Jerusalem.
But all these prophets could not help Jews to defend their homeland from the Egyptians, the Babylonians, the Medians, the Greeks, and now under Western rule(Holocaust).
If the Jews understood the mission of the prophets they would have been better prepared to live in exile.
and yet this claim has no relation to the role of the prophet
All the disaster that came on the northern kingdom was a direct result of its rejection of the word of the Lord. God sent them prophets to confront and correct them, but they persisted in patterns of idolatry, injustice, and rebellion.
Jesus confirms the role of the prophets.
Matthew 15:24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”
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Polytheist-Witch: Then act, pussy.
Sounds like you have a misbehaving bitch part.
Follow the instructions.
If it hurts go to a smaller size.
If it leaks go to a bigger size.
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@Tarik
Many self proclaimed Christians don’t follow the Old Testament.
That would be illogical. The Old Testament is the foundation on which the New Testament gets its credibility. The New Testament is the fulfillment of the prophesies in the Old Testament.
But Jews reject the New Testament because they rejected Jesus as the promised Messiah.
Even Jesus quoted from 24 books in the Old Testament. Remember, Jesus was a circumcised Jew.
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Polytheist-Witch: Your death threats are boring act on them or f*** off.
Your death wish is becoming more apparent. That is why you are on a Religion Forum full of Catholic converts.
From your title you declare you are a witch in many religions. Is that to improve your chances of getting burnt?
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Polytheist-Witch: Please don't sit here and try to pretend that atheists don't do certain things because you want to see more superior and thought and action than theists. Atheists believe no gods exist. They do not at any point try to compare one god to another, all gods are in one single category, all gods are false. They do not believe any gods exist and to say otherwise is a falsehood on your part and a lie and an attempt to manipulate the conversation. This is why you get topics like atheist or cowards and atheists or hypocrites because you're all goddamn liars and try to look better than these because you think you're superior to them. Fuck that.
The Christians burnt witches. Atheists had nothing to do with these godly acts. They were Skeptical it was even justified.
Theists are upset with Atheists because Atheists do not participate in godly acts defined by theists such as witch burning and crusades wars.
“Atheists believe no gods exist. They do not at any point try to compare one god to another, all gods are in one single category, all gods are false. They do not believe any gods exist and to say otherwise is a falsehood on your part and a lie and an attempt to manipulate the conversation.”
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@Tarik
Their population growth has outpaced the flood. Proof the flood did not reach their shores.
What is this flood you speak of?
Genesis 7:4 Seven days from now I will send rain on the earth for forty days and forty nights, and I will wipe from the face of the earth every living creature I have made."
Genesis 7:23 Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; men and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds of the air were wiped from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark. 24 The waters flooded the earth for a hundred and fifty days.
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@rosends
But all these prophets could not help Jews to defend their homeland from the Egyptians, the Babylonians, the Medians, the Greeks, and now under Western rule(Holocaust).
If you think that this is relevant then you have no idea what the purpose of a prophet is.
The purpose and mission of the prophets were completely lost to the Jews.
All these prophets could not help Jews to defend their homeland from the Egyptians, the Babylonians, the Medians, the Greeks, and now under Western rule(Holocaust).
According to the Talmud, there were 48 prophets and 7 prophetesses of Judaism. The last Jewish prophet is believed to have been Malachi.
The 48 prophets to Israel
1. Abraham – Hebrew patriarch according to the Bible
2.Isaac – Biblical patriarch
3. Jacob – Regarded as a Patriarch of the Israelites, later given the name Israel
4. Moses – Abrahamic prophet said to have led the Israelites out of Egypt
5. Aaron – Prophet, high priest, and the brother of Moses in the Abrahamic religions
6.Joshua – Central figure in the Hebrew Bible's Book of Joshua
7. Phinehas – Biblical priest and prophet who opposed the heresy of Peor
8. Eli – High priest of Shiloh in ancient Israel
9. Elkanah – Husband of Hannah and father of Samuel in the Books of Samuel
10. Samuel – Biblical prophet who plays a key role in the establishment of the Israelite monarchy
11. Gad – Seer or prophet mentioned in the Hebrew Bible
12. Natan – Person in the Hebrew Bible
13. David – Biblical figure; third monarch of the United Kingdom of Israel
14. Ahijah the Shilonite – Biblical prophet
15. Solomon – Biblical monarch of ancient Israel
16.Shemaiah – Bible prophet credited with preventing a war between the divided kingdoms of Rehoboam and Jeroboam
17. Iddo – Minor biblical prophet
18. Obadiah – Biblical prophet to whom authorship of the Book of Obadiah is attributed
19.Jehu – Biblical prophet and son of Hanani
20. Oded – Father of Azariah the prophet
21. Azariah – Biblical prophet credited with persuading King Asa of Judah to carry out reforms
22. Hanani – Biblical character
23. Jahaziel – Meaning of Jahaziel in the Bible
24. Eliezer
25. Elijah – Biblical prophet
26.Elisha – Prophet and wonder-worker in the Hebrew Bible
27. Micaiah – Biblical prophet, disciple of Elijah
28. Jonah – Quranic and Biblical prophet
29. Amos – Hebrew prophet
30. Hosea – Biblical character
31. Amoz – Father of Isaiah
32. Isaiah – Israelite prophet
33. Micah – Prophet in Judaism
34. Joel – Abrahamic prophet, author of Book of Joel
35. Zephaniah – Person in the bible
36. Nahum – Minor prophet in the Bible
37.Habakkuk – Prophet of the Hebrew Bible
38. Urijah – Biblical prophet, son of Shemaiah
39. Jeremiah – Biblical prophet
40. Ezekiel – Prophet in the Abrahamic religions
41. Mehseiah – Minor figure in the Hebrew Bible
42. Neriah – Biblical figure, father of Baruch and Seraiah
43.Baruch ben Neriah – Biblical character, friend of prophet Jeremiah
44. Seraiah
45. Haggai – Hebrew prophet
46.Zechariah – Biblical prophet
47. Mordechai Bilshan – Biblical figure
48. Malachi – Traditional writer of the Book of Malachi
The 7 prophetesses to Israel[edit]
1. Sarah – Biblical character
2. Miriam – Sister of Moses and Aaron
3. Deborah – Prophetess in the Bible
4. Hannah – Biblical prophetess, traditional author of the Song of Hannah, mother of Samuel
5. Abigail – Wife of King David in the Bible
6. Huldah – Biblical character
7. Esther – Biblical Jewish queen of Persia and Medes
Prophets to other nations[edit]
The Talmud lists 7 prophets to the nations of the world (gentiles):[10]
1. Balaam – Prophet
2. Beor – Biblical figure, father of Balaam
3. Job – Biblical figure
4. Eliphaz – Biblical figure, an associate of Job
5. Bildad – Biblical figure, an associate of Job
6. Zophar – Biblical figure, an associate of Job
7. Elihu – Biblical figure, an associate of Job
But all these prophets could not help Jews to defend their homeland from the Egyptians, the Babylonians, the Medians, the Greeks, and now under Western rule(Holocaust).
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@Tarik
For starters here is a list of nuclear powered countries prepared to deal with a genocidal God and it’s believers.India, China, N Korea,
And you know this how?
Their population growth has outpaced the flood. Proof the flood did not reach their shores.
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@Sidewalker
anyone can believe anything they wish for any reason they wishYep, we all “choose” our beliefs.but if you're going to expect someone else to believe what you believeIt seems that there are as many evangelical Atheists as there are evangelical Theists.you need to be able to explain what the hell you're talking about.The basis of faith is not inferential reason, it is personal encounter with the values, meaning, and purpose that can be apprehended in and through ordinary experience.
The believer does not commit to an inferred God whose existence depends on the strength and validity of the arguments that are devised for proving or disproving his likely existence. Faith does not move in the arena of historical or metaphysical probabilities, it moves in the arena of inwardness, of self-knowledge.
Faith is total commitment to a discernment, it brings depths of new discernment, opportunities for new commitment and empowerment for realizing our unique potentialities.
To believe in God is primarily to believe in the objectivity the meaning, value and purpose found in the experiential reality of a human being. That view is not based on evidence but is an axiom that makes a life of faith – of seeing all experience in the light of such objective value and purpose – possible. Such a belief is confirmed primarily by the sense it enables people to make of their lives. It is also confirmed by the greater vitality, happiness, and moral dynamism that it reportedly brings to those who accept it.
With posts like this, you should get off the sidewalk and take the lead.
Well written!!!
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@Tradesecret
Because Christ is our sabbath.
Sabbath definition: a day of religious observance and abstinence from work, kept by Jewish people from Friday evening to Saturday evening, and by most Christians on Sunday.
You reduced Christ to a Sunday. When Christians are expected to believe Jesus is God.
You must belong to one of those cult denominations.
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@Stephen
She deliver on that promise. Jesus is seen as saviour , lord and King to billions of Christians.
Appealing to numbers counts for exactly zero. Billions of Muslims see Jesus only as a prophet . And we know that "the greatest prophet that ever lived" appears to have gotten it all wrong.
800 million Muslims are illiterate. The prophet Mohammad was illiterate.
800 million Muslims out of 1.4 billion are illiterate: Dr Farrukh Saleem
Fact to realize is, Muslims have been poor, illiterate, war mongering savages for 1,400 years because they are kept hostage by Islam – a medieval hate ideology perpetrated by a criminal and lunatic who suffered depressions, raped, murdered and robbed other people, flew around on a ‘winged’ donkey, and had no control at all of his bestial urges, desires and distorted ego.
Islamabad freelance columnist Dr Farrukh Saleem gave his view on the matter in 2009.
It shouldn’t surprise anyone if Muslims confuse Jesus with their own prophet.
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@Tarik
Islam, Christianity and Judaism believe their God is a genocidal lunatic.
They believe that or you believe that?
The other religions are nuclear powered countries prepared to deal with this genocidal God and it’s believers.
A lot of bold claims here, care to support any of them?
For starters here is a list of nuclear powered countries prepared to deal with a genocidal God and it’s believers.
India, China, N Korea,
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@rosends
Why would these rules be given to Jews unless it was to prepare them for future exiles.
so America has a speed limit in order to prepare people for a future exile. Got it. That also explains the Sherman Anti-Trust Act. Brilliant.
American Jews are no different. Speed limits are seen as necessary. It took Moses 40 years to reach the promised land which according to modern scholars was a months journey by foot. Jews imposed speed limits on their exiled Jews then and will do so again.
Judaism also produced other false messiahs. What aren't you a Sabbatean?
So producing false prophets is a Jewish phenomenon.
No, not uniquely.
Judaism has more prophets than any other religion.
yes, but not what we were speaking about. Instead of dealing with the stupidity of your earlier statement you go in a completely different direction and cut and paste something which I already know and which doesn't relate to your erroneous claim.
We were talking about Judaism producing other false messiahs and prophets.
According to the Talmud, there were 48 prophets and 7 prophetesses of Judaism. The last Jewish prophet is believed to have been Malachi.
The 48 prophets to Israel
1. Abraham – Hebrew patriarch according to the Bible
2.Isaac – Biblical patriarch
3. Jacob – Regarded as a Patriarch of the Israelites, later given the name Israel
4. Moses – Abrahamic prophet said to have led the Israelites out of Egypt
5. Aaron – Prophet, high priest, and the brother of Moses in the Abrahamic religions
6.Joshua – Central figure in the Hebrew Bible's Book of Joshua
7. Phinehas – Biblical priest and prophet who opposed the heresy of Peor
8. Eli – High priest of Shiloh in ancient Israel
9. Elkanah – Husband of Hannah and father of Samuel in the Books of Samuel
10. Samuel – Biblical prophet who plays a key role in the establishment of the Israelite monarchy
11. Gad – Seer or prophet mentioned in the Hebrew Bible
12. Natan – Person in the Hebrew Bible
13. David – Biblical figure; third monarch of the United Kingdom of Israel
14. Ahijah the Shilonite – Biblical prophet
15. Solomon – Biblical monarch of ancient Israel
16.Shemaiah – Bible prophet credited with preventing a war between the divided kingdoms of Rehoboam and Jeroboam
17. Iddo – Minor biblical prophet
18. Obadiah – Biblical prophet to whom authorship of the Book of Obadiah is attributed
19.Jehu – Biblical prophet and son of Hanani
20. Oded – Father of Azariah the prophet
21. Azariah – Biblical prophet credited with persuading King Asa of Judah to carry out reforms
22. Hanani – Biblical character
23. Jahaziel – Meaning of Jahaziel in the Bible
24. Eliezer
25. Elijah – Biblical prophet
26.Elisha – Prophet and wonder-worker in the Hebrew Bible
27. Micaiah – Biblical prophet, disciple of Elijah
28. Jonah – Quranic and Biblical prophet
29. Amos – Hebrew prophet
30. Hosea – Biblical character
31. Amoz – Father of Isaiah
32. Isaiah – Israelite prophet
33. Micah – Prophet in Judaism
34. Joel – Abrahamic prophet, author of Book of Joel
35. Zephaniah – Person in the bible
36. Nahum – Minor prophet in the Bible
37.Habakkuk – Prophet of the Hebrew Bible
38. Urijah – Biblical prophet, son of Shemaiah
39. Jeremiah – Biblical prophet
40. Ezekiel – Prophet in the Abrahamic religions
41. Mehseiah – Minor figure in the Hebrew Bible
42. Neriah – Biblical figure, father of Baruch and Seraiah
43.Baruch ben Neriah – Biblical character, friend of prophet Jeremiah
44. Seraiah
45. Haggai – Hebrew prophet
46.Zechariah – Biblical prophet
47. Mordechai Bilshan – Biblical figure
48. Malachi – Traditional writer of the Book of Malachi
The 7 prophetesses to Israel[edit]
1. Sarah – Biblical character
2. Miriam – Sister of Moses and Aaron
3. Deborah – Prophetess in the Bible
4. Hannah – Biblical prophetess, traditional author of the Song of Hannah, mother of Samuel
5. Abigail – Wife of King David in the Bible
6. Huldah – Biblical character
7. Esther – Biblical Jewish queen of Persia and Medes
Prophets to other nations[edit]
The Talmud lists 7 prophets to the nations of the world (gentiles):[10]
1. Balaam – Prophet
2. Beor – Biblical figure, father of Balaam
3. Job – Biblical figure
4. Eliphaz – Biblical figure, an associate of Job
5. Bildad – Biblical figure, an associate of Job
6. Zophar – Biblical figure, an associate of Job
7. Elihu – Biblical figure, an associate of Job
But all these prophets could not help Jews to defend their homeland from the Egyptians, the Babylonians, the Medians, the Greeks, and now under Western rule(Holocaust).
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@3RU7AL
We don't know if we can reproduce an effect until we do it, and based on humes problem of induction if we do it again we wont know for certain if it will work that time until its done.confidence in reproducibility is quantifiable in units of sigma
You are looking for something that is consistent with masturbation. Was that really Humes problem?
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@Tarik
The Bible portrays God as a genocidal lunatic. I am sure there is some evidence of morality to justify his genocidal behaviour.The Bible can be interpreted in many different ways, nonetheless there are some people that would classify themself as religious but don’t believe in the God depicted in The Bible.
The worlds 3 major religions are based on the God of Abraham. So Islam, Christianity and Judaism believe their God is a genocidal lunatic.
The other religions are nuclear powered countries prepared to deal with this genocidal God and it’s believers.
We should have arguments regarding God and religions
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@FLRW
It is interesting to note that J. Robert Oppenheimer, father of the atomic bomb, was an atheist and a scientist, but culturally Jewish.
Point taken, when atheists are Jewish they are infinitely more dangerous.
It might explain why God approached the Jews first and handed them 613 commandment/rules. Which God did not find necessary for other races.
But Israel going nuclear is a contradiction of God’s Will unless it is designed for self annihilation and the end times spoken by Jesus explaining why he was sent .
Matthew 15:24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”
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@rosends
Moses running away from the Pharaoh became the greatest hero in Jewish history.
I'm not sure how you define hero, and why you take a moment of fleeing to save your life as a mark against someone, and ignore everything else. Jesus cried out on the cross like a coward and he became the greatest hero in Christianity.
God gave Moses 613 commandments to prepare the Jews for future exiles starting with the Egyptians, the Babylonians, the Medians, the Greeks, and now under Western rule(Holocaust).
No, one does not give people rules to prepare them for exiles. Your logic never ceases to implode.
Why would these rules be given to Jews unless it was to prepare them for future exiles. These rules never helped the Jews to defend their homeland from the Egyptians, the Babylonians, the Medians, the Greeks, and now under Western rule(Holocaust).
But it helped the Jews stay together during their multiple exiles from their homeland.
Judaism also produced other false messiahs. What aren't you a Sabbatean?
So producing false prophets is a Jewish phenomenon.
No, not uniquely.
Judaism has more prophets than any other religion.
According to the Talmud, there were 48 prophets and 7 prophetesses of Judaism. The last Jewish prophet is believed to have been Malachi.
The 48 prophets to Israel
1. Abraham – Hebrew patriarch according to the Bible
2.Isaac – Biblical patriarch
3. Jacob – Regarded as a Patriarch of the Israelites, later given the name Israel
4. Moses – Abrahamic prophet said to have led the Israelites out of Egypt
5. Aaron – Prophet, high priest, and the brother of Moses in the Abrahamic religions
6.Joshua – Central figure in the Hebrew Bible's Book of Joshua
7. Phinehas – Biblical priest and prophet who opposed the heresy of Peor
8. Eli – High priest of Shiloh in ancient Israel
9. Elkanah – Husband of Hannah and father of Samuel in the Books of Samuel
10. Samuel – Biblical prophet who plays a key role in the establishment of the Israelite monarchy
11. Gad – Seer or prophet mentioned in the Hebrew Bible
12. Natan – Person in the Hebrew Bible
13. David – Biblical figure; third monarch of the United Kingdom of Israel
14. Ahijah the Shilonite – Biblical prophet
15. Solomon – Biblical monarch of ancient Israel
16.Shemaiah – Bible prophet credited with preventing a war between the divided kingdoms of Rehoboam and Jeroboam
17. Iddo – Minor biblical prophet
18. Obadiah – Biblical prophet to whom authorship of the Book of Obadiah is attributed
19.Jehu – Biblical prophet and son of Hanani
20. Oded – Father of Azariah the prophet
21. Azariah – Biblical prophet credited with persuading King Asa of Judah to carry out reforms
22. Hanani – Biblical character
23. Jahaziel – Meaning of Jahaziel in the Bible
24. Eliezer
25. Elijah – Biblical prophet
26.Elisha – Prophet and wonder-worker in the Hebrew Bible
27. Micaiah – Biblical prophet, disciple of Elijah
28. Jonah – Quranic and Biblical prophet
29. Amos – Hebrew prophet
30. Hosea – Biblical character
31. Amoz – Father of Isaiah
32. Isaiah – Israelite prophet
33. Micah – Prophet in Judaism
34. Joel – Abrahamic prophet, author of Book of Joel
35. Zephaniah – Person in the bible
36. Nahum – Minor prophet in the Bible
37.Habakkuk – Prophet of the Hebrew Bible
38. Urijah – Biblical prophet, son of Shemaiah
39. Jeremiah – Biblical prophet
40. Ezekiel – Prophet in the Abrahamic religions
41. Mehseiah – Minor figure in the Hebrew Bible
42. Neriah – Biblical figure, father of Baruch and Seraiah
43.Baruch ben Neriah – Biblical character, friend of prophet Jeremiah
44. Seraiah
45. Haggai – Hebrew prophet
46.Zechariah – Biblical prophet
47. Mordechai Bilshan – Biblical figure
48. Malachi – Traditional writer of the Book of Malachi
The 7 prophetesses to Israel[edit]
1. Sarah – Biblical character
2. Miriam – Sister of Moses and Aaron
3. Deborah – Prophetess in the Bible
4. Hannah – Biblical prophetess, traditional author of the Song of Hannah, mother of Samuel
5. Abigail – Wife of King David in the Bible
6. Huldah – Biblical character
7. Esther – Biblical Jewish queen of Persia and Medes
Prophets to other nations[edit]
The Talmud lists 7 prophets to the nations of the world (gentiles):[10]
1. Balaam – Prophet
2. Beor – Biblical figure, father of Balaam
3. Job – Biblical figure
4. Eliphaz – Biblical figure, an associate of Job
5. Bildad – Biblical figure, an associate of Job
6. Zophar – Biblical figure, an associate of Job
7. Elihu – Biblical figure, an associate of Job
But all these prophets could not help Jews to defend their homeland from the Egyptians, the Babylonians, the Medians, the Greeks, and now under Western rule(Holocaust).
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as far as I am aware no such evidence is available.
Are you aware of morality?
The Bible portrays God as a genocidal lunatic. I am sure there is some evidence of morality to justify his genocidal behaviour.
Morality.Yes, it's a concept that tends to vary considerably.
Does that account for Gods unpredictable behaviour?
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@Lemming
An iPhone can warn you about God as in the case of god sent disasters and plagues.
But God cannot help you with your iPhone.
If you don’t qualify for an iPhone membership, God might be your only hope to communicate wirelessly.
I believe that the concept of God, believing in God 'can help with an iPhone,Take individuals who suffer from cyberbullying,Many individuals by God and religion,Are able to discover game theories, that aid in durability of character and understanding,As well as their faith placed, will endure in understanding or strength standing.Though not believing in God myself,I prefer 'my apparent truth of atheism,And find what tools from it and elsewhere, that aid me.
An iPhone would aid you greatly.
I actually 'do doubt my thoughts and existence at times,Not 'usually, but sometimes.
You can capture those moments on your iPhone if you own one.
Or confess about them in Church is you are a Catholic.
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@rosends
The ancient Jews never contributed to science, Medicine, mathematics and even their religion is suspect. They were a tribal group struggling for survival when Egypt was a dominant empire in the Middle East.
And we survived. Is Egypt still dominant? You seem rather set against the idea that Judaism has succeeded. You should read more Mark Twain.
But they did produce Jesus a Jew with strong convictions about an alternate reality. Unfortunately the Jews rejected Jesus and Jesus showered his blessings on the followers of his New Covenant.
Moses running away from the Pharaoh became the greatest hero in Jewish history. God gave Moses 613 commandments to prepare the Jews for future exiles starting with the Egyptians, the Babylonians, the Medians, the Greeks, and now under Western rule(Holocaust).
Judaism also produced other false messiahs. What aren't you a Sabbatean?
So producing false prophets is a Jewish phenomenon.
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@Lemming
I disagree that an iPhone and God are the same shape, meaning,Replace has variance depending on what function is being replaced,I think your comment on an iPhone replacing God, is too broad a statement.One 'can be refused a membership of an iPhone,If the government refuses the citizens such,If a company refuses a citizen such,If one has not the funds to afford one,If one refuses spyware be included in their iPhone.I think more of God, than I do iPhones.Though I'm an atheist.. . .Though depending on various situations, I may encourage people to use an iPhone, God, or both.
An iPhone can warn you about God as in the case of god sent disasters and plagues.
But God cannot help you with your iPhone.
If you don’t qualify for an iPhone membership, God might be your only hope to communicate wirelessly.
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@Swagnarok
Are you quoting an encyclopedia? What was the point of that post?
By challenging the basic tenets of Roman Catholicism Martin Luther started the Reformation Movement.
Martin Luther was a German monk who forever changed Christianity when he nailed his '95 Theses' to a church door in 1517, sparking the Protestant Reformation.
Who Was Martin Luther?
Martin Luther was a German monk who began the Protestant Reformation in the 16th century, becoming one of the most influential and controversial figures in the history of Christianity.
Luther called into question some of the basic tenets of Roman Catholicism, and his followers soon split from the Roman Catholic Church to begin the Protestant tradition. His actions set in motion tremendous reform within the Church.
A prominent theologian, Luther’s desire for people to feel closer to God led him to translate the Bible into the language of the people, radically changing the relationship between church leaders and their followers.
This should give pause to members converting to Catholicism like Oldschoolpancakedummy.
“Luther called into question some of the basic tenets of Roman Catholicism, and his followers soon split from the Roman Catholic Church to begin the Protestant tradition. His actions set in motion tremendous reform within the Church.”
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@Lemming
Actually I think a belief in God can save lives,And kill lives,Same with an iPhone.
So an iPhone can replace God and has replaced God since it can do the same thing as God and save lives.
Where iPhone has an advantage is no one can be refused membership unlike God where a person is accepted based on his/her faith and conversion.
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@Swagnarok
The first step to Evangelical Christianity, of course, was Martin Luther and his Five Solae. Luther literally called his own church "evangelical", despite the significant differences between 16th century Lutheranism and modern Evangelicalism.
By challenging the basic tenets of Roman Catholicism Martin Luther started the Reformation Movement.
Martin Luther was a German monk who forever changed Christianity when he nailed his '95 Theses' to a church door in 1517, sparking the Protestant Reformation.
Who Was Martin Luther?
Martin Luther was a German monk who began the Protestant Reformation in the 16th century, becoming one of the most influential and controversial figures in the history of Christianity.
Luther called into question some of the basic tenets of Roman Catholicism, and his followers soon split from the Roman Catholic Church to begin the Protestant tradition. His actions set in motion tremendous reform within the Church.
A prominent theologian, Luther’s desire for people to feel closer to God led him to translate the Bible into the language of the people, radically changing the relationship between church leaders and their followers.
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@Tarik
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as far as I am aware no such evidence is available.
Are you aware of morality?
The Bible portrays God as a genocidal lunatic. I am sure there is some evidence of morality to justify his genocidal behaviour.
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@Ehyeh
Humans wont die out if we didnt have phones, which is the main point. They're not a necessity for the humans species to survive. They may be essential for modern society but that's different from what we were talking about.
The topic is Atheists are hypocrites.
Atheists are hypocrites because they believe iPhone can save lives with the timely warnings about weather, natural disasters. traffic congestions, shootings etc. etc. but they refuse to believe God can save lives.
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@GnosticChristianBishop
Compare the Jewish view and whatever view others put into the die for me Jesus delusion.Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.RegardsDL
The Jews had to be conscious of which generation they belonged to because the prophets brought with them punishments specific to each generation of Jews.
Exodus 34:7 - Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.
Now think about the Jews who didn’t have a reference point living in Europe and Germany. The Holocaust tied their generation to their past generations.
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@rosends
But you do being a Rabbi and you also confirm the Jews still reject Jesus as their promised messiah.
Yes, because he wasn't.
One can only see Judaism as having failed the Jews who are living on land a fraction of what it’s Arab Muslim neighbours own. Arabs own land 650 times the size of Israel.
No, one can see Judaism as having succeeded, living in palces all around the world. I'm not sure what you consider "success". First you look at number of adherents and yet you admit that there are more Hindus that Chisitians so by that metric Christianity is a failure. Then you look at a little bit of geography but Vatican city os tine.
What have the Jews done with their covenant with God? The majority of Jews live in exile.
We have continued that covenant. Yes, we are in exile. And Jesus is dead.
I dealt with the Finkelstein issue in another thread. Your fixation with him (and with not reading things, and with repeating content) is noted.
The ancient Jews never contributed to science, Medicine, mathematics and even their religion is suspect. They were a tribal group struggling for survival when Egypt was a dominant empire in the Middle East.
But they did produce Jesus a Jew with strong convictions about an alternate reality. Unfortunately the Jews rejected Jesus and Jesus showered his blessings on the followers of his New Covenant.
If the past is prologue. The Jewish exiles with continue.
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@Ehyeh
IPhone's aren't necessary for the continued existence of humanity.
Timely warnings on weather, natural disasters, traffic congestion, missing persons, public shootings are making the iPhone absolutely necessary for survival in the modern world. It has replaced condoms as a must have accessory.
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@Lemming
define God differently depending who I speak to,As often these days, it's a word of more clear meaning and definition for them, than myself.For myself as time passes, it becomes more a nonword for myself,Not in a reviled sense, but that it has lost meaning for myself, and garners meaning more in how it applies in discussions with others, than myself.
Even religions have a problem defining God and give it labels like Omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscience etc.
God himself had a hard tim3 defining himself to Moses and simply said.
Exodus 3:14 God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”
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@rosends
Looking at Jewish history. Jews achieve atonement by animal sacrifice and the shedding of blood in the Temple.
ooh, swing and a miss.
For all intents and purposes, the Jewish practice of animal sacrifice ended in AD 70, the year that the Romans destroyed the temple in Jerusalem. With the temple gone, there is no longer a place for the sacrifices to be offered according to the Mosaic Law (see Deuteronomy 12:13–14). Repeatedly in the Old Testament, the point is made that sacrifices were required to make atonement for sin (e.g., Exodus 29:36; Leviticus 4:31; 9:7; 14:19; 15:15; Numbers 15:25). The shedding of blood is what consecrated things and people to the Lord (Leviticus 16:19; cf. Hebrews 9:22).
With no blood sacrifice today, the Jews have no lawful way of atoning for their sin. Passover is still observed, but without the sacrifice. Yom Kippur (the Day of Atonement) is still on the calendar, but there is never an offering made for sin. The stipulations of the Mosaic Law remain unchanged, but the Jewish people cannot make things right with God—they cannot find forgiveness—without an animal sacrifice.
Imaging the collective guilt and sin carried by the Jewish people since?
none because your presupposition is wrong. Strike two.
We can understand the resentment Jews have towards Jesus.
resentment? I say we giggle.
He was sent to save the Jews but failed as much as the blame rest on the Jews for rejecting Jesus.
well, he did fail, I'll give you that. Sad that so many people were forced to glom onto a failure.
You just cancelled the Jews again by declaring, “We don't need his help. Try again.”
it doesn't cancel Jews to say that hjews don't need Jesus. It cancels Jesus. Try to keep up.
Are you suggesting a third attempt might be need by Jesus just for the Jews because the spiritually unwashed Jews need more time to repent having lost the ability to seek atonement through animal sacrifice?
The fact remains that there is no forgiveness without the shedding of blood (Hebrews 9:22). The animal sacrifices of the Old Covenant have been replaced by the once-for-all sacrifice for sin given by Jesus, the Messiah. As Jesus established the New Covenant, He “died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant” (Hebrews 9:15).
A third attempt? So you are admitting he failed twice? And yet you still hitch your horses to that? And again, you don't understand biblical atonement, so strike three.
Biblical atonement.
Theological usage of the term “atonement” refers to a cluster of ideas in the Old Testament that center on the cleansing of impurity (which needs to be done to prevent God from leaving the Temple), and to New Testament notions that “Christ died for our sins” (1 Corinthians 15:3) and that “we were reconciled to God .
The Old Testament term of atonement the Jews followed that center on the cleansing of impurity (which needs to be done to prevent God from leaving the Temple) is no longer possible. God left the Temple after it was destroyed in 70AD.
The jews are left without a solution.
Whereas Christians adapted to New Testament notions that “Christ died for our sins” (1 Corinthians 15:3) and that “we were reconciled to God .
Unless the Jews plan to crucify Jesus upon his return again, there will be no need for a third attempt by Jesus to return just for the Jews because the spiritually unwashed Jews need more time to repent having lost the ability to seek atonement through animal sacrifice?
I wonder what is left for a Rabbi to teach when all of the major denominations of Judaism (Orthodox, Conservative, Reform, and Reconstructionist) have rejected Messianic Judaism as a form of Judaism. And by doing so denied the Jews the promises of the messianic period in the Hebrew Bible.
You wonder because you don't understand Judaism at all. Why you are so proud to parade your ignorance is the real mystery. I can't wait for you to repeat exactly what you wrote again, as if that will change anything.
But you do being a Rabbi and you also confirm the Jews still reject Jesus as their promised messiah.
One can only see Judaism as having failed the Jews who are living on land a fraction of what it’s Arab Muslim neighbours own. Arabs own land 650 times the size of Israel.
What have the Jews done with their covenant with God? The majority of Jews live in exile.
Even according to Israeli archeologists and historian Israel Finkelstein.
From another archeologist Israel Finkelstein.
Exodus never happened and the walls of Jericho did not come a-tumbling down. How archaeologists are shaking Israel to its biblical foundations.
Israel Finkelstein, chairman of the Archaeology Department at Tel Aviv University, with archaeology historian Neil Asher Silberman, has just published a book called "The Bible Unearthed: Archaeology's New Vision of Ancient Israel and the Origin of Its Sacred Text."
"The Israelites were never in Egypt, did not wander in the desert, did not conquer the land [of Canaan] in a military campaign and did not pass it on to the twelve tribes of Israel. Perhaps even harder to swallow is the fact that the united kingdom of David and Solomon, described in the Bible as a regional power, was at most a small tribal kingdom."
Jerusalem was essentially a cow town, not the glorious capital of an empire. These findings have been accepted by the majority of biblical scholars and archaeologists for years and even decades.
The tales of the patriarchs -- Abraham, Isaac and Joseph among others -- were the first to go when biblical scholars found those passages rife with anachronisms and other inconsistencies. The story of Exodus, one of the most powerful epics of enslavement, courage and liberation in human history, also slipped from history to legend when archaeologists could no longer ignore the lack of corroborating contemporary Egyptian accounts and the absence of evidence of large encampments in the Sinai Peninsula ("the wilderness" where Moses brought the Israelites after leading them through the parted Red Sea).
Finkelstein is an iconoclast. He established his reputation in part by developing a theory about the settlement patterns of the nomadic shepherd tribes who would eventually become the Israelites, bolstering the growing consensus that they were originally indistinguishable from the rest of their neighbors, the Canaanites. This overturns a key element in the Bible: The Old Testament depicts the Israelites as superior outsiders -- descended from Abraham, a Mesopotamian immigrant -- entitled by divine order to invade Canaan and exterminate its unworthy, idolatrous inhabitants.
The famous battle of Jericho, with which the Israelites supposedly launched this campaign of conquest after wandering for decades in the desert, has been likewise debunked: The city of Jericho didn't exist at that time and had no walls to come tumbling down. These assertions are all pretty much accepted by mainstream archaeologists.
Marcus says that Finkelstein is "difficult to dismiss because he's so much an insider in terms of his credentials and background. He's an archaeologist, not a theologian, and he is an Israeli. It's hard to say that someone who was born in Israel and intends to live the rest of his life there is anti-Israeli."
More can be found in Shlomo Sand, “Invention of the Jewish People.”
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@Ehyeh
"I would would agree that faith based on empirical evidence is necessary for us to function within our perception of reality. Religious belief requires no such evidence."I get the sense this is an appeal to vagueness. Which empirical beliefs are necessary for day to day functioning? I feel like it exists in a manner of degrees. Some people are fine not believing in free will, some people even seem fine being unsure of what will happen tomorrow. In this same sense some are fine not being religious or fine with god not existing, others not so much!
The world survived without any of your prerequisites.
It was science that has led us to our current situation. Pollution, global warming, population explosion etc.etc.
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@GnosticChristianBishop
The world reeks of it.RegardsDL
You mean your part of the world reeks of it.
Ever been to a Muslim country where the men stick their butts in the air competing for reekiest.
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@GnosticChristianBishop
Their need was obviously not met.RegardsDL
If the Jews did not run out of patience they would have benefited from the Roman occupation.
The Romans went on to create the Roman Catholic Church which has over a billion followers. The Roman Catholic Church is built on Jesus a Jew and his disciples who were also Jews.
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@GnosticChristianBishop
Too stupid.Moving on.RegardsDL
At least you acknowledge you are looking for porn in the wrong place. Moving on is your best hope of finding it.
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@rosends
Looking at Jewish history. Jews achieve atonement by animal sacrifice and the shedding of blood in the Temple.
ooh, swing and a miss.
For all intents and purposes, the Jewish practice of animal sacrifice ended in AD 70, the year that the Romans destroyed the temple in Jerusalem. With the temple gone, there is no longer a place for the sacrifices to be offered according to the Mosaic Law (see Deuteronomy 12:13–14). Repeatedly in the Old Testament, the point is made that sacrifices were required to make atonement for sin (e.g., Exodus 29:36; Leviticus 4:31; 9:7; 14:19; 15:15; Numbers 15:25). The shedding of blood is what consecrated things and people to the Lord (Leviticus 16:19; cf. Hebrews 9:22).
With no blood sacrifice today, the Jews have no lawful way of atoning for their sin. Passover is still observed, but without the sacrifice. Yom Kippur (the Day of Atonement) is still on the calendar, but there is never an offering made for sin. The stipulations of the Mosaic Law remain unchanged, but the Jewish people cannot make things right with God—they cannot find forgiveness—without an animal sacrifice.
Imaging the collective guilt and sin carried by the Jewish people since?
none because your presupposition is wrong. Strike two.
We can understand the resentment Jews have towards Jesus.
resentment? I say we giggle.
He was sent to save the Jews but failed as much as the blame rest on the Jews for rejecting Jesus.
well, he did fail, I'll give you that. Sad that so many people were forced to glom onto a failure.
You just cancelled the Jews again by declaring, “We don't need his help. Try again.”
it doesn't cancel Jews to say that hjews don't need Jesus. It cancels Jesus. Try to keep up.
Are you suggesting a third attempt might be need by Jesus just for the Jews because the spiritually unwashed Jews need more time to repent having lost the ability to seek atonement through animal sacrifice?
The fact remains that there is no forgiveness without the shedding of blood (Hebrews 9:22). The animal sacrifices of the Old Covenant have been replaced by the once-for-all sacrifice for sin given by Jesus, the Messiah. As Jesus established the New Covenant, He “died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant” (Hebrews 9:15).
A third attempt? So you are admitting he failed twice? And yet you still hitch your horses to that? And again, you don't understand biblical atonement, so strike three.
Biblical atonement.
Theological usage of the term “atonement” refers to a cluster of ideas in the Old Testament that center on the cleansing of impurity (which needs to be done to prevent God from leaving the Temple), and to New Testament notions that “Christ died for our sins” (1 Corinthians 15:3) and that “we were reconciled to God .
The Old Testament term of atonement the Jews followed that center on the cleansing of impurity (which needs to be done to prevent God from leaving the Temple) is no longer possible. God left the Temple after it was destroyed in 70AD.
The jews are left without a solution.
Whereas Christians adapted to New Testament notions that “Christ died for our sins” (1 Corinthians 15:3) and that “we were reconciled to God .
Unless the Jews plan to crucify Jesus upon his return again, there will be no need for a third attempt by Jesus to return just for the Jews because the spiritually unwashed Jews need more time to repent having lost the ability to seek atonement through animal sacrifice?
I wonder what is left for a Rabbi to teach when all of the major denominations of Judaism (Orthodox, Conservative, Reform, and Reconstructionist) have rejected Messianic Judaism as a form of Judaism. And by doing so denied the Jews the promises of the messianic period in the Hebrew Bible.
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@GnosticChristianBishop
If you know what is garbage then proving what is in it should be easy.
It is demonstrable.RegardsDL
So you have been delving into Christian garbage.
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@3RU7AL
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That's not really true at all. Christian religions say God is completely unconceptualizable, he cant be put into boxes not does he have characteristic or sin like humans. Just because God is "person" doesn't mean he's one like a man or human.
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why do the christians insist on calling their god a "him" or a "he" ?why do the christians refer to "god's will" as if their version of god doesn't already know exactly how every event will play out ?
Luke 1 identifies God and the Holy Spirit as a He. The two went on to gang rape the Virgin Mary. Giving us the threesome or a trinity that produced Jesus.
Luke 1:34 “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?”
35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called[b] the Son of God.
35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called[b] the Son of God.
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@rosends
When Christ returns to earth and sets up the Kingdom of God, He will restore a repentant Israel to its position of leadership in the world (Isaiah 11:12; 14:1-2). A humbled, obedient people will then serve in the capacity God intended for them.
I checked. No mention of Jesus there. We don't need his help. Try again.
First there has to be acknowledgment followed by humility, obedience then repentance.
Looking at Jewish history. Jews achieve atonement by animal sacrifice and the shedding of blood in the Temple.
But that is no longer possible after the Romans destroyed the temple in 70AD.
Imaging the collective guilt and sin carried by the Jewish people since?
You mentioned the Jews have been in exile ever since (70AD). We can understand the resentment Jews have towards Jesus. He was sent to save the Jews but failed as much as the blame rest on the Jews for rejecting Jesus.
Christians are expecting Jesus to return to complete the great rapture and reunification.
You just cancelled the Jews again by declaring, “We don't need his help. Try again.”
Are you suggesting a third attempt might be need by Jesus just for the Jews because the spiritually unwashed Jews need more time to repent having lost the ability to seek atonement through animal sacrifice?
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@Ehyeh
It seems to me that atheists are hypocrites (atheists in the form of those who say there is no god). I want to write this post to see where (and if) my logic has gone astray. If we go into meditation and assume nothing (as Descartes did), I'm unsure how you can outright decide God cannot exist. As it would appear, there's not very much we can be certain of! It is evident our senses are untrustworthy (as shown by Socrates in Phaedo). To be sure of naturalism, physicalism, materialism, etc, you must first assume your senses to a pretty high degree to be correct. Yet there's really not a very philosophical reason to believe this outside of pragmatism. If the things we see cannot be proven to be mind-independent or real, Why are people so quick to assume God is a logical absurdity? It appears to me almost everything in this world (currently) requires some element of faith, this element of reality is exemplified by the problem of induction. Prove me wrong.
You are reducing God to a logical argument.
The evidence for God is overwhelming. Look around and see creation, the universe, the physical and natural laws. We don’t need justification or faith to accept God. The bigger problem is creating God in our image.
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Polytheist-Witch: There is no evidence for any god. Best argument for, I've had a personal experience. The best argument against, I haven't had a personal experience.
Given you are a witch your experience is very limited to past burning of Witches. Fortunately you haven't had a personal experience or you wouldn’t be here
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@Swagnarok
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What attracted me was the historicity of the Catholic Church.
Swagnarok: You want to be part of and grounded in something that's timeless and extremely hesitant to change. I can respect that.Personally, I think that Roman Catholicism makes a lot of unproven assumptions that it holds up as fact. So you'd have a hard time proving to me that they are "the one true church".That being said, I think Christian denominations are largely interchangeable in that your salvation isn't contingent on what club you belong to. If turning to Catholicism revitalized your interest in Christianity, your devotion to Jesus, and your resolve to live a Godly life, then I say all the more power to you. I hope this enriches your life and your soul.
That is a very compromised response and advice.
If Martin Luther took your approach we would have only Catholics today.
Instead we have over 30,000 denominations of Christians.
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@Stephen
But you haven't bothered to address the point of the thread. Why did god omit to tell the gory details of her son's wicked and torturous demise? This is not mention all of the false promises he made to Jesus' mother the very blessed among women.
According to scriptures Luke 1:26-35 Mary was told of Christ’s divinity.
She deliver on that promise. Jesus is seen as saviour , lord and King to billions of Christians.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches that "Mary is truly 'Mother of God' since she is the mother of the eternal Son of God made man, who is God himself." According to Catholic teaching, sourced in the John 1:1-14, Mary did not create the divine person of Jesus, who existed with the Father from all eternity.
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@rosends
Judaism still works for the Jews. And quoting a text which has no value to Jews in order to "prove" some claim about Jews is useless.
Rank Religion Members
1. Christianity 2.3 billion
2. Islam 1.8 billion
3. Unaffiliated 1.2 billion
4. Hinduism 1.1 billion
5. Buddhism 500 million
6. Folk religions 400 million
7. Other religions 100 million
8. Judaism 10 million
Israel’s future
Because the ancient Israelites went into captivity for their sins and lost their national prominence, many have wondered what lies ahead for their descendants. Actually, the Bible reveals that there remains a bright future for these peoples.
When Christ returns to earth and sets up the Kingdom of God, He will restore a repentant Israel to its position of leadership in the world (Isaiah 11:12; 14:1-2). A humbled, obedient people will then serve in the capacity God intended for them.
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@RationalMadman
Barney may never recover...
At least he didn’t attack the Beatles. The Beatles have a fan base of 1.7 billion.
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@Stephen
Its about the things god seemed to have omitted to tell Mary his mother. And Its about all the things that his mother Mary was promised about here son and god failed and had forsaken both Mary and Jesus - for which there actually IS bible evidence from the lips of Jesus himself. And that would include him inheriting the throne of David and becoming king, but nowhere does it say that Jesus was ever anointed king by John the baptist for which YOU claim there is "clear evidence" that he was. So lets see your "clear biblical evidence".Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?”YEP, god certainly turned his back on his own boy and the "blessed among women" his mother Mary didn't he , you clown?Luke 1:32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David.Off you go now. And don't forget that " clear evidence " or don't come back.
John only baptized Jesus. John never anointed Jesus.
In fact John even expressed doubt Jesus was the promised one.
Matthew 11:2 When John, who was in prison, heard about the deeds of the Messiah, he sent his disciples3 to ask him, “Are you the one who is to come, or should we expect someone else?”
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@RationalMadman
I cannot believe after what Europe did to the Jews you still see them as a boy band cover of a Beatles song.
Rosends: Fair point.nit as good as a boy band. Maybe like a Barney version.
RM: I am so sorry for this disrespect to you, please do not take it to heart.
I too would have brushed it off if it was just disrespect. I think it takes more than an apology from you.
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