Shila

Repeating yourself won’t make what you say any truer. It just makes you look desperate.

Bible timeline is a joke. Earth is older than the biblical “timeline.” Earth is NOT the center of the universe. 

And the Bible was written by men to be used by men to control mankind through fear and violence to force submission or suffer eternal damnation in hell (a place that simply does not exist except in the delusional minds of the gullible sheeple).

The fossils found that date back to the Precambrian lack distinct structures as there were no skeletal forms and that means no people. Actually Precambrian life forms would have done okay in the flood as they were all aquatic.

And science doesn’t back creation as there is no empirical evidence to support it and it relies on a supernatural cause, it is unscientific.

Ah yes, Creation Science, an oxymoron if ever there was one. Thanks for the link, an amusing read.

For all those who claim that Islam had no hand in black people slavery

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OdIqeWkhHU&t=138s&ab_channel=AlMuqaddimah

What are theists's honest opinion on atheists, vice versa?

Polytheist-Witch: Noah's Ark was a spaceship and the mountain it landed on was actually planet Earth and after it let all the animals off onto the nice dry planet that they arrived at, it flew away and left behind that family they brought to take care of the animals. This is a far more believable story for the atheists they actually might consider this one legit. 

Polytheist-Witch: There are alcoholics that post on this board you should really be nice. It's a disease, lol 

Assuming God exists and is unknowable that would render all religious texts relating to God as being worthless. Even the creation of the universe couldn’t be attributed to God as that would make him known. Therefore it would be impossible to differentiate between an unknown God and a non existent one.

Ah yes, Creation Science, an oxymoron if ever there was one. Thanks for the link, an amusing read.

Therefore we end up with typical mythology.

A mix of people, places and fantasy.

QUICK REMINDER.  

God didn't choose to interact with people and do the whole bible thing in and around the time you were here on earth. 

Andddddddddddd.

The whole 2nd coming thing looks like it's not going to happen in  our lifetimes.

What i am trying to say is. 

We the people of today are not that ummmm,  terribly important to god. 

I couldn't imagine us being nowhere near as important to god as puffins or stars.   

Just to name two of gods top 10 greatest loves.  

Butttttttttttt, i may be wrong.  

Im close to positive it would boil down to. 

There ummm probably was a bloke named jesus.  Of the Nazareth that existed.    

A Totally normal human one.

With Adam and Eve the failure is that they disobeyed god. But god created these pair. I didn’t. Yet I am told I will suffer in hell for three reasons.

(1) I apparently have inherited their sin.

(2) I don’t believe Jesus was god;

(3)It is doubtful that even Jesus believed himself to be a god either?  So then his master plan for the creation of man was a complete failure. 

Then mankind become so corrupt by his actions and multiple sinful ways that he sent a flood to wipe them from the face of the earth. Another fail.

He confuse human language after the destruction of Nimrod and the Tower of Babel incident so that they could not effectively communicate with each other. Another failure.

Matthew 13: 40 “As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42 They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Mathew 13 comes well after these previous disasters sent onto the shoulders of mankind by god,  and it appears that god still hadn't corrected a single one of his own previous errors, either!?  

  Why so many failures if god is said, and seen to be by millions, to be perfect? How many goes does he have to have before getting it right, before we are sent to the flames to face much gnashing of teeth in perpetuity?

You cant know even from analyzing the creation, because we have no idea why things were created. 

I suppose some people could have superior knowledge to mine, yet you have no idea if your knowledge is truly correct. How could you?

Whether atheist, agnostic, or theist what do you see as the benefiting factor that most prominently contributes to your belief. To be clear, I'm not asking what caused your belief or lack thereof but rather why maintain your position? 

Me personally, I stay a religious person because I know spirituality has, and does, help me overcome challenges while having the possibility to help others. Without the focus on God that I've had I can be quite confident that I personally wouldn't have had the focus on personal growth that I have.

Lemme hear what ya got

is it a weak point that many types of miracles of the bible dont happen nowadays?

The Ontological Argument.

Making a koran from recycled christian bibles and vice versa also would fetch a few bucks from weird people.

Polytheist-Witch: Well considering you're an atheist I doubt you are a member of a church. And I won't even direct it to the mods because it'll be okay for you to do that because you're one of those people and I'm one of those people.

The four canonical gospels—Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John—were all composed within the Roman Empire between 70 and 110 C.E (± five to ten years) as biographies of Jesus of Nazareth. Written a generation after the death of Jesus (ca. 30 C.E), none of the four gospel writers were eyewitnesses to the ministry of Jesus.

The majority of New Testament scholars agree that the Gospels do not contain eyewitness accounts; but that they present the theologies of their communities rather than the testimony of eyewitnesses.

I think the fossil record would dispute that.

Noah’s ark must be pretty big.

How do you get 8.7 million animals onto a boat?

Question: as is adamantly shown in this treatise, the pseudo-christian, and me as the only TRUE Christian upon this forum, our faith’s Bible is guilty of pornography and the obscene!  Therefore, what do we do to not get our JUDEO-Christian Bible from being banned, or worse, even burned like many of Jesus’ creation want to perform for this type of book?!

Fortunately these days, we all know that witches are make believe.

I thought we had agreed that the Gospels are not eyewitness accounts.

Polytheist-Witch: Threatening a member  of the board with death could be a violation.

What do Jews believe the afterlife is like?

The Jewish idea of the technical aspects of an afterlife is a matter of much discussion. Early biblical/textual sources give scant reference and even less explanation. Post biblical source flesh out a little more, explaining that there is a next world, judgment, resurrection of the dead in messianic days, and other stuff. But the details and structure are not universally agreed upon by Jewish authorities.

An over simplified version would include the following ideas:

after death, the immortal soul is judged. There are 3 basic categories -- fully good, fully evil and middling. Most of us are middling. There is a period of time after death when the soul goes through what can best be thought of as a period of re-education, of realization about responsibility for having committed sins. At this point, the soul is separated from the divine presence and that stinks. Re-education prepares the soul for a reconnection to the divine. That time period is up to a year, but we assume less.

People who are purely evil are separated from God eternally and those who are purely good connect to the divine presence imemdiately.

The idea of a resurrection, of an eternal (physical) life or like that, and where that fits in to this process and the arrival of a future messiah is where things get confusing.

https://judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/9335/rambam-on-olam-haba-mashiach-and-techiyat-hameitim

a side note -- the next world, and any form of "eternal reward" is for those who are Jewish (as measured by their adherence to the canon of 613+ laws) and non-Jews who are measured against the obligation to follow the 7 Noachide laws.

 I have heard a few reasons as to why god is said to have become flesh and not once have I been able to understand why this "incarnation" had to happen and even why it  should  be believed.

The common shout from Christians is that god,  became flesh to understand "human suffering"  . But this simply cannot be in any way true ...unless we ignore the awkward fact that God as god, understood human suffering perfectly well?  And we know this because THE BIBLE says so.

 So let us first blow the "human suffering" argument out of the water by highlighting what god himself has to say on the matter while he is still god;

Exodus 3:7 The Lord said, “I have indeed seen the misery of my people in Egypt. I have heard them crying out because of their slave drivers, and I am concerned about their suffering".

 So we see right away, that god didn't need to go to all the trouble of sending anyone in any shape or form and that he could clearly see (and we have to assume understand) that god was well up to speed on the matter.

Another of the reasons given for this "incarnation" is that  god as Jesus was sent to forgive our sins. Why?  And again this shite can also be blown out of the water by THE BIBLE! 

Isaiah 45:21-22. God as god says;  “Turn to me and be saved,  all you ends of the earth;  for I am God, and there is no other".

Jonah 3:5-10. " When God saw what they did and how they turned from their evil ways, he relented and did not bring on them the destruction he had threatened".

So we can clearly read,  god as god on both these occasions was forgiving sins before he is believed to have "incarnated" as Jesus on earth. And as a point of fact, Jesus as Jesus was also forgiving sins before he was crucified so that blows the "crucified for our sins" clean out of the water too.

So can a single one of the Christian fold here give a valid and factual reason why god had to "incarnate" as a human being here on earth.

why do religions -in general- fears criticism ?

I mean if you know that you're religion is the only one true religion out there would you really fear criticism ?

would you need to be two faced and hide some stuff when you talk about your religion ?

would you need to dirty your hands and kill blasphemers and apostates ?

is it not enough that your god would punish them in the afterlife as your religion claims ?

how pathetic is your god and it's trust in its very own religion to need a death penalty to dissuade  people from leaving that religion or insulting it ?

Nothing can be more disgusting then religion telling people to engage in pedophilia.

one of the things which the hindu religion can't stop supporting even today

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CHILD-MARRIAGE Enforced by the Brahmins, this custom destroyed the very

life-soul of the non-Brahmins. Child marriage of daughters as young 5-6 y

old was common during the Brahmanic Dark Ages due to the custom of dowry [

Nand 17 ] [ Bash.167-8 ] [ Yad 70 ] [ Alt.16 ] [ Ban.70 ]. Lawbooks

prescribe that the best partner for a man in one-third his age. Thus a man

18 year old should marry a girl 6 years old! This is the wonderful wisdom of

the most authoritative Hindu law-book -

Manu.IX.94 : " A man, aged thirty years, shall marry a maiden of twelve

who pleases him, or a man of twenty-four a girl of eight years of age; if

(the performance of) his duties would otherwise be impeded, he must marry

sooner."

One of the reasons for such early marriage of girls was to prevent any

scandals. Narada states that some of the defects to be avoided in brides are

if they already had a relationship with another man or have their minds set

on another, they should not be selected [Sheth 67]. This shows that

non-virgin girls could not be married, a custom similar to Church-ruled

medieval Europe.

The custom of child-marriage and child-molesting has divine sanction in

Hinduism. The `great god' Rama was 16 years old when he married Sita, and

Sita was only 14 years old [ Ram.wh 69 ]. However, the age of Sita is now

known to be a forgery; it is almost certain that she was, as per the Manuid

laws, one-third of his age, namely 5 years old. It is inconceivable to

imagine that `great' Rama could have dated to violate the Vedic laws of

Manu. Besides being a child-molester, `holy' Rama was also guilty of incest,

for Sita is referred to in the oldest surviving Ramayanas as his own sister

:

" In the Dasarathajataka Sita is represented as the sister as well as the

wife of Rama , son of Dasaratha of the Ikshvaku line."

[ Chandra, p.156 ]

Mr. Chandra, who has given the passage cited above, then claims that this

incriminating passage was `infiltrated' by the Buddhist nastikas. This

objection, however, can be discounted immediately. Firstly, it would not be

possible for Buddhists to `distort' a Hindu scripture. Secondly, Chandra

himself is a Brahminist, so his statements in defence of Brahmanism can be

discounted as being the result of religious fanaticism. The fact is, that

the extant Buddhist tales are much older than the Hindu versions, and this

episode was deleted from the later falsified Ramayanas. This is confirmed by

anthropological research showing that incest was institutionalised in Rama's

race, the Ikshvaku dynasty of Aryan Kshatriyas :

" In the Anabattha Sutta and the Mahavastu Avadana we are told that the

Ikshvaku princes, who were banished by their father and took shelter on the

slopes of the Himalayas, and from whom the Sakyas traced their descent,

married their own sisters in order to maintain the purity of their line."

-- [ Chandra, p.155 ]

Hence, it is virtually certain that Sita was Rama's sister, and that it is

certain that such an `upright astik Hindu' as he would not have let his

sister grow beyond the age limit of 8 years prescribed by Aryan law.

Now, what was the main reason for the Brahmins enforcing child marriage and

incest upon the subject populations ? The answer is that these activities

led to the permanent genetic degradation of the non-Brahmin races. It is

well known that consanginuous marriage leads to genetic mutations in the

offspring and eventually ends in the extermination of the blood lineage

concerned. Incest and child marriage has a high risk of leading to

irreversible hereditary defects in the second generation which are then

passed on to succeeding generataions. These were hence convenient methods

for the Brahmins to annihilate the non-Brahmins and establish a pure

Brahmavarta ! Even to this day one finds the process of genetic

deterioration occurring in non-Brahmin children inhabiting Brahmin-ruled

regions. These are entirely the result of Brahmin-enforced child-marriage

and Brahmin-inflicted incest.

1.10 ENFORCEMENT OF VIRGINITY

As a further instance of the oppressive rules of Hinduism imposed upon

women, young girls were required to remain virgin till marriage. Failing

this requirement, they would be discarded by the husbands at will :

Manu.IX.72 : " Though (a man) may have accepted a damsel in due form, he

may abandon (her if she be) blemished, diseased, or deflowered, and (if she

have been) given with fraud."

Such girls were reduced to a pitiable state and were unable to find husbands

thereafter. They were mostly forced to live the life of early wretched

widowhood. This shows that the systematic discrimination meted out by

Hinduism to women extends down to early childhood. Whilst Brahmin men were

free to indulge in debauchery with aboriginal Devadasis at an early age,

girls had to remain chaste virgins. This is the truth about `wonderful'

Hinduism.

These are merely a handful of facts showing that Hinduism is the single most

anti-woman civilization in the history of the world. The followers of

Hinduism are mindless male supremacist pigs who know nothing better than to

burn their own women and rape their own daughters. This they do in the name

of the `Holy Vedas', the invention of perverted Brahmin bigots. No other

religion imposes such an inhuman genocide of women as does the truly beastly

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many religions claim to be universal and claim that following any other religion will end you up -or should I say down- in hell

including :

the two abrahamic religion

islam

christianity 

judaism 

wait maybe not judaism 

Our generation didn’t write the gospels so I fail to see the relevance,

The Gospels were eyewitness accounts.

To quote Jesus one has to go to eyewitness accounts.

Most biblical scholars date the gospels to have been written around 68-110 AD, so not eyewitness accounts. The gospel events are believed to have been acquired from accounts passed on by oral tradition, but then again they may be total fiction, there is little contemporary evidence that Jesus even existed, it is all down to faith.

It is objectively cruel, thanks for your baseless input

I don't care about your personal insecurities or paranoia, Reverend "Tradey".

 you are not interested in serious discussions or exploration of any topic.

I asked you a very clear and simple question. You turned it into a fkn song and dance from the moment I asked it, Here>>#24  instead of answering you replied  with 14 !!!! fkn questions of your own HERE>>#26 and is all you have done since is evade, swerve stutter, stumble and play your own cretinous games and shown  yourself to be  the contradictory clown of double standards that you are..

As far as I am concerned you haven't answered the question and have clocked up yet another failure.

and let me remind you again, Jesus replied, "You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures, REVEREND "Tradey". Matthew 22: 29: 

You see, King James Version own Dictionary definition which defines the word -perfect as shown above also shows you once AGAIN to be in error and exposes your complete and utter lack of Bible knowledge HERE>> #89  :

  

although you just cannot stop telling us how Bible savvy you are, 

"I have been taught to memorise the bible since a very early age. I have read the bible numerous times. I try and read the OT once every year and the NT twice a year.  I know it reasonable well and can even read Hebrew and Greek "#52

 But you must have believed that claim on its own wasn't enough to impress us all with so threw in this pile of bullshite for good measure:

"I  know the bible backwards - and frontwards - in Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic ". 

My, look at that. you added "Aramaic"  that time!

Well  now anyone reading here knows by now that both of your above claims are nothing but the purest of sparkling gold plated bullshite. 

You will never be a honest person , Reverend "Tradey", no matter how many  qualifications, accreditations and titles  you have awarded yourself. The hole that you have dug for yourself is just too deep..... 

Kosher (the most cruel) and Halal (almost as cruel) are excuses for animal-abusing ways of killing.

I would like you to discuss this.

Quoting the Bible to prove the credibility of the Bible is circular reasoning.

Mohamed Abukar Ibrahim, 48, is stoned to death by members of Hizbul Islam, a group of Somali Islamist insurgents in Afgooye, 30 km from the capital Mogadishu, on 13 December. Ibrahim had been found guilty of adultery by a local Sharia court. In February, the president of a transitional government had agreed to the introduction of Sharia law in Somalia, in order to defuse clashes between the government and local clan-based militia.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/somali-man-stoned-to-deat_n_392503

https://www.worldpressphoto.org/collection/photo-contest/2010/farah-abdi-warsameh/1

What is your favorite argument for the existence of God? Why is it your favorite argument? What are some objections to this argument and how do you deal with them?

Religious belief doesn’t have to be credible as it doesn’t require proof.

He told worshippers: “Whose power is more powerful than us? Allah is more powerful than you. You, idiots. You kuffar (non-believers)… The non-believer is an idiot. He’s stupid.”

He went on: “Jihad, jihad, jihad. Jihad is compulsory. Jihad is fighting by sword. That means this jihad is compulsory upon you, not jihad is the word of mouth but jihad will remain compulsory until the Day of Resurrection…”

And he lost two sons fighting Allahs' "holy war". 

Abubaker Deghayes rolled out that old excuse saying he was only explaining the meaning of Jihad by the sword as" self-defence ". 

Man guilty of promoting ‘jihad by sword’ in mosque speech (gbnews.uk)

Those poor boys.

Does your ideology include a clause that says you should raise hell against evil religions?

 

Seems like a decent overall ideology.

 

Does your ideology include a clause that says you should raise hell against evil religions?

 

This, --- for evil to grow, all good people need do is nothing, --- is a part of my ideology/theology, given that I call myself a Gnostic Christian.

 

Does yours, and how do you exercise that degrading chore?

 

Regards

DL

the prophet of islam muhammad married Khadijah a 40 years old very rich woman when he was 25 , she was 15 years older than him 

he didn't have a harem or 13 wives he didn't dare to have a harem since his wife was the one with the money , the person giving him his allowance , she was his work boss , now after her death muhammad inherited her money and he's 50 years old

so he built his own harem including a 9 years old kid -aisha-

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that the Prophet (ﷺ) married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that `Aisha remained with the Prophet (ﷺ) for nine years (i.e. till his death).

Authentic Hadith

Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 5134

In-book reference : Book 67, Hadith 70

USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 7, Book 62, Hadith 65

I never said that all the events were fabrication as some can be verified. The Bible’s credibility is mostly down to the faith of the believer and what is considered credible may very depending on belief.

However, His plan goes awry, and Genesis goes to inhabit the body of a Texas preacher named Jesse Custer.

great show

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/1/20/pakistan-rawalpindi-court-sentences-woman-death-whatsapp-blasphemy

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10419575/Muslim-woman-26-sentenced-death-hanging-sending-caricatures-Prophet-Mohammed.html

Muslim woman, 26, is sentenced to death by hanging for blasphemy in Pakistan after sending caricatures of Prophet Mohammed over WhatsApp

• A Muslim woman, 26, has been sentenced to death in Pakistan for blasphemy
  
• She was convicted of sending caricatures of Prophet Muhammad via WhatsApp
  
• Blasphemy is punishable by the death sentence in Muslim-majority Pakistan
  
• But an execution has never been carried out as courts have overruled sentence
  

Not the first person that gets the death penalty for insulting the prophet of islam the worst person to ever walk the earth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ6c66G99A4&t=123s&ab_channel=TheMaskedArab

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVhsVjXJzKM&t=71s&ab_channel=TheMaskedArab

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tITg200yWEo&ab_channel=HindustanTimes

The trial court in the northern Pakistani city of Rawalpindi on Wednesday sentenced Aneeqa Ateeq under the country’s strict blasphemy laws, which impose a mandatory death penalty for insulting the Prophet Muhammad.

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A blind man had a slave-mother who used to abuse the Prophet (ﷺ) and disparage him. He forbade her but she did not stop. He rebuked her but she did not give up her habit. One night she began to slander the Prophet (ﷺ) and abuse him. So he took a dagger, placed it on her belly, pressed it, and killed her. A child who came between her legs was smeared with the blood that was there. When the morning came, the Prophet (ﷺ) was informed about it.

He assembled the people and said: I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right to him that he should stand up. Jumping over the necks of the people and trembling the man stood up.

He sat before the Prophet (ﷺ) and said: Messenger of Allah! I am her master; she used to abuse you and disparage you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not abandon her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was my companion. Last night she began to abuse and disparage you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her.

Thereupon the Prophet (ﷺ) said: Oh be witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood.

Grade:Sahih (Al-Albani)-authentic-

 

Reference: Sunan Abi Dawud 4361

In-book reference: Book 40, Hadith 11

English translation: Book 39, Hadith 4348

Not the first time someone is killed for insulting muhammad 

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islam have been killing people for insulting the benevolent or should I say malevolent prophet of islam since the beginning of islam 

in the hadith mentioned before muhammad stated that " no retaliation is payable for her blood " sounds extremely benevolent

Who’s in for some fun challenge?

What would be a fun challenge?

In the beginning, God was a lonely being. Due to His loneliness, God created the angels, and they worshipped and loved Him. However, God grew bored with receiving the praise from the angels, so He decided to create mankind even though He knew that He was condemning this species to a miserable existence.

When He told the angels of His plans on creating Humanity, they were horrified by His announcement. As such, a great war was waged on Heaven ending with massive bloodshed and the remaining angels being expelled. Feeling that His Angel of Death was failing to live up to what He intended, God orchestrated the deaths of a good man's wife and daughter, which leads to that man becoming the Saint of Killers. Throughout the years, God indulged in the worship of humanity despite being fully responsible for all of the wars, famine, and other heinous atrocities that befall the Earth. Despite this, God craved more affection. And so, He arranged the creation of Genesis, a being conceived from a Seraphim and a demon, solely so He could see if a being more powerful than Himself would choose to love him.

However, His plan goes awry, and Genesis goes to inhabit the body of a Texas preacher named Jesse Custer. As a result, Jesse embarks on a mission to find God and question Him about the abandonment of His creation.