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@GnosticChristianBishop
You refuse to discus your immoral views.RegardsDL
You need to turn to porn to discover immoral views. Immoral views are banned on religious forums.
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@GnosticChristianBishop
Superseded???You mean we were exterminated by those of your inquisitor ilk.You will not be enlightened by me if you continue to believe in the supernatural and miracles that allow you to abdicate your own responsibilities.RegardsDL
The Jews were not impressed with Jesus’s miracles. They needed a saviour who would rid them of the Romans.
John 10:32 but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”
The Jews were proven right. Without the supernatural miracles the Jews could not overthrow the Romans. The Romans went on to crucify a Jesus, destroy the Holy Temple and slaughter the Jews.
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@GnosticChristianBishop
Not a word on the poor morals.So many do not want to stop sinning.A good way to end here.RegardsDL
@Harikrish
Scriptures show Jesus broke all the 10 commandments. These ironies exist in the Bible.
The 10 commandments say.
1. You shall have no other gods before Me.
2. You shall not make idols.
3. You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.
4. Remember the Sabbath day, To keep it holy.
5. Honour your father and your mother.
6. You shall not murder.
7. You shall not commit adultery.
8. You shall not steal.
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10. You shall not covet.
Jesus broke many of the commandments, If not all!
1. You shall have no other gods before Me.
Jesus tried to claim he was God.
John 10:33 "We are not stoning You for any good work, " said the Jews, "but for blasphemy, Because You, Who are a man, Declare Yourself to be God. "
2. You shall not make idols.
Jesus made a covenant with a cup.
Luke 22:20 In the same way, After supper He took the cup, Saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood, Which is poured out for you.
3. You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.
Jesus said every word he spoke came from God. Unless God too was as incoherent as Jesus. God in the OT never spoke in parables. His orders were clear and direct.
Luke 18:34 But the disciples did not understand any of these things. The meaning was hidden from them, And they did not comprehend what He was saying.
4. Remember the Sabbath day, To keep it holy.
Jesus broke the sabbath.
Pharisees accused Him of breaking the Sabbath (Matthew 12:10; Mark 3:2, John 9:14-16).
5. Honour your father and your mother.
Jesus tried to destroy the traditional family.
Matthew 10:35 For I have come to turn ""a man against his father, A daughter against her mother, A daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law"
6. You shall not murder.
Jesus murdered the truth.
Matthew 15:24 He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. "
Yet he spent his entire ministry condemning the very people he was sent to save.
7. You shall not commit adultery.
Jesus was unfaithful to God and his disciples. He left them to die even though he was given all authority over heaven and earth.
Matthew 28:18 Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.
8. You shall not steal.
Jesus stole the words of the prophets before him and claimed they pointed to him.
Luke 24:27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, He explained to them what was written in all the Scriptures about Himself.
Then Jesus took them through the writings of Moses and all the prophets, Explaining from all the Scriptures. . . And Jesus explained to them what was said about himself in all the Scriptures, Beginning with the books of Moses and the writings of all the prophets".
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
Jesus accused God of betraying and forsaking him on the cross.
Matthew 27:46 About the ninth hour, Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, Lema sabachthani? " which means, "My God, My God, Why have you forsaken Me? "
10. You shall not covet.
Jesus suffered from a messiah complex and coveted the title messiah/Christ/Anointed one.
John 17:1 After Jesus said this, He looked toward heaven and prayed:
"Father, The hour has come. Glorify your Son, That your Son may glorify you. 2 For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. 3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, The only true God, And Jesus Christ, Whom you have sent. 4 I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. 5 And now, Father, Glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.
Scriptures tell us Jesus was tried, Convicted and crucified for his blasphemous lies and lunacy. . . . By the Romans. But the confusion continues.
Christians have waited for 2000 years for Jesus's return as he had promised without any success.
Preterists claims Christisns got it wrong, That Jesus returned in 70 AD.
Jehovah's Witnesses claim Jesus returned in 1874 or maybe 1914.
Others say Jesus could be the next thief who robs your house.
Revelation 16:15, Matthew 24:43, 1 Thessalonians 5:2, 1 Thessalonians 5:4, 2 Peter 3:10 ESV - ("Behold, I am coming like a thief in the night! )
Harikrish biblical scholar and spiritual leader.
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@Oldschoolpancakedummy
Newly confirmed Catholic. Would love any questions from anyone.
Why did the Pope declare the cross a failure of God?
Pope Francis said during his whirlwind U. S. Tour. "And if at times OUR EFFORTS AND WORKS SEEM TO FAIL AND PRODUCE NO FRUIT, We need to REMEMBER that WE ARE FOLLOWERS OF JESUS? . . And His LIFE, Humanly speaking, ENDED IN FAILURE, THE FAILURE OF THE CROSS."
When you don"t understand something, When desperation hits you then look at the CROSS. THAT IS THE GREAT FAILURE OF GOD, THAT IS THE DESTRUCTION OF GOD, AND IT'S A CHALLENGE TO OUR FAITH?
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@GnosticChristianBishop
I cannot agree.Most religious are moral agents.Most do not and cannot walk their religious talk in most sane and just nations.Society would not allow it elsewhere in the free world.We are all natural mimics and slaved to our tribal natures.We crave fellowship and that can only be found in tribes and groups, regardless of the ism the group is mimicking.It is great that the God religions are dying and the religions that put man above God are gaining converts.Religions overall, as I see things, are all going Gnostic.RegardsDL
Gnosticism is a first century religion that was superseded by Christianity.
The Gospel of Thomas strips Jesus of all miraculous powers and reduces him to a religious teacher. Gnostics believe God is the domain of the enlightened. You don’t appear even remotely enlightened.
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@Elliott
Since you never participated in those religious debates suggests they were unreceptive to your debates.
What is plan B?
The same as plan A, which to put simply, is not to try and debate religion with those who may be uninterested, offended or execute me for blasphemy.
So wanting to stay alive keeps you honest about religion.
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@GnosticChristianBishop
for I, the Lord thy God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate Me,
The only escape from this curse was to be born of a Virgin as in Jesus’s case.
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Yet Jesus taught the opposite.I gave you those quotes in----On Jesus dying for Christians. Try to think in a moral way.It takes quite an inflated ego to think a god would actually die for us, after condemning us unjustly in the first place.Christians have swallowed a lie and don’t care how evil they make Jesus to keep their feel good get out of hell free card.It is a lie, first and foremost, because, like it or not, having another innocent person suffer or die for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.To abdicate your personal responsibility for your actions or use a scapegoat is immoral.Christians also have to ignore what Jesus, as a Jewish Rabbi, would have taught his people.Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.Psa 49;7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:There is no way that Christians would teach their children to use a scapegoat to escape their just punishments and here you are promoting doing just that.Jesus is just a smidge less immoral than his demiurge genocidal father, and here you are trying to put him as low in moral fiber as Yahweh. Tsk tsk.RegardsDL
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Jesus had no choice.God sent Jesus to be sacrifice for us.
Jesus had no choice and lamented on the cross.
Matthew 27:46 About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”).
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@GnosticChristianBishop
Let's chat on the morals that would have you ignore what Jesus taught, and sin to be saved?On Jesus dying for you and Christians. Try to think in a moral way.It takes quite an inflated ego to think a god would actually die for us, after condemning us unjustly in the first place.Christians have swallowed a lie and don’t care how evil they make Jesus to keep their feel good get out of hell free card.It is a lie, first and foremost, because, like it or not, having another innocent person suffer or die for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.To abdicate your personal responsibility for your actions or use a scapegoat is immoral.Christians also have to ignore what Jesus, as a Jewish Rabbi, would have taught his people.Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.Psa 49;7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:There is no way that Christians would teach their children to use a scapegoat to escape their just punishments and here you are promoting doing just that.Jesus is just a smidge less immoral than his demiurge genocidal father, and here you are trying to put him as low in moral fiber as Yahweh. Tsk tsk.RegardsDL
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Jesus had no choice.God sent Jesus to be sacrifice for us.
Jesus had no choice and lamented on the cross.
Matthew 27:46 About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”).
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@Elliott
If you believe and have real objection with religion when it causes harm, is intolerant and tries to use coercion impose its beliefs on others, then debating it will only increase animosity in those whom you feel wouldn’t be receptive to them.
I don’t believe, and my objection with religion when it causes harm, is intolerant and tries to use coercion impose its beliefs on others seems reasonable unless one is a member of the Spanish Inquisition. And as I said, I don’t debate religion with those who would be unreceptive to that debate.
Since you never participated in those religious debates suggests they were unreceptive to your debates. What is plan B?
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Polytheist-Witch: Troll thread. One of the religion forum issues.
There would be no trolling if religion delivered on its promises.
Wilted: Why don't you list out it's problems and we can work together to fix the ones we agree with. I think banning troll threads would be silly, so we won't agree there, but how can I be of service?
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@FLRW
Elliott: I would like a secular one that allows for all religious beliefs or disbelief and the right to practice them.FLRW: I pray (to the simulation creators) that you find Humanism.
Allowing for all religious belief or disbelief and the right to practice them will only encourage endless debates and rejection.
Be careful what you wish for.
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@FLRW
The oldest painting of Jesus comes from the Dura Europos Synagogue in Syria and was painted 200 years after his death.
Jesus looked terrible on the cross all punctured and bleeding. Hate to think what he looked like 200 years after his death. Might be the reason why he didn’t want to be seen again and has been missing since.
Isaiah describes the suffering saviour.
Isaiah 53:3 He was despised and rejected by mankind, a man of suffering, and familiar with pain. Like one from whom people hide their faces he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.
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@Elliott
I am an agnostic atheist and although I may not always respect people’s beliefs I try to respect their right to believe them. My only real objection with religion is when it causes harm, is intolerant and tries to use coercion impose its beliefs on others.I wouldn’t necessarily want an atheistic world and I feel such a word would be unrealistic as religion in some form has been with us from the dawn of humanity, but I would like a secular one that allows for all religious beliefs or disbelief and the right to practice them.I will debate religion with those open to debate and are willing to discus it, such as in a forum like this but I wouldn’t want to thrust my views on those who I feel wouldn’t be receptive to them.
If you believe and have real objection with religion when it causes harm, is intolerant and tries to use coercion impose its beliefs on others, then debating it will only increase animosity in those whom you feel wouldn’t be receptive to them.
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@zedvictor4
@PolyTo be honest, spaceships is the more reasonable explanation for the whole GOD thing.Though they seem to have forgotten the way back.Or have they.@Shila.Did Moses get lost too.
Moses did get lost. The journey to the promised land by foot from Egypt takes less than a month. It took Moses 40 years.
It is quite possible Moses was led by Aliens who didn’t know their way either.
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Polytheist-Witch: Threatening members with death could result in banning.
No church would excommunicate it’s members for burning a witch.
The Bible approves it.
Exodus 22:18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
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@zedvictor4
I sure love the spiritual gift of Ice cream.We have a bloke who comes around in a pink van selling creamy fantasy treats.His name is Paul.And he has a lot of Greek pals.How's that for a miraculous coincidence?
Ice cream does keep your tongue cool so speaking in tongues is preserved. Ice cream also helps send the cool sensation up the persons butt you are licking.
You being Greek and having a friend named Paul and together receiving the spiritual gift of ice cream can only be a miraculous coincidence.
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@zedvictor4
Rejecting the Gospel as a collection of eyewitness accounts of Jesus from his generation leaves you with nothing but speculation.
Exactly.
Conversely, academia speculation is also fuelling rejection of the Gospels as a collection of eyewitness accounts of Jesus from his generation.
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@Reece101
Is original sin an example of Kin punishment?If so, the wiki article of kin punishment needs to be updated.Original wiki entry: Kin punishment is the practice of punishing the family members of someone accused of a crime, either in place of or in addition to the perpetrator. It refers to the principle of a family sharing responsibility for a crime committed by one of its members, and is a form of collective punishment. Kin punishment has been used by authoritarian states as a form of extortion, harassment, or persecution. Countries that have practiced kin punishment include pre-Christian European cultures, Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union, and non-Western cultures including China, Japan, and North Korea.“
The Bible says so.
Deuteronomy 5:9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them; for I, the Lord thy God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate Me,
The only escape from this curse was to be born of a Virgin as in Jesus’s case.
Finally, the virgin birth is essential because it means Jesus did not inherit the curse of depravity that clings to Adam’s race. Jesus was made like us in every way except for sin (Heb. 4:15; 7:26-27). Every human father begets a son or daughter with his sin nature. This is the way of the world after the fall. Sinners beget sinners (Ps. 51:5). Always. If Joseph was the real father of Jesus, or Mary had been sleeping around with Larry, Jesus is not spotless, not innocent, and not perfectly holy. And as result, we have no mediator and no salvation.
The virgin birth is part of what Christians have believed in all times and in all places, and it is a key element in what it means for the incarnation to be “for us and for salvation.” We ignore the doctrine at our peril; we celebrate it to our benefit and to God’s glory.
The virgin birth is part of what Christians have believed in all times and in all places, and it is a key element in what it means for the incarnation to be “for us and for salvation.” We ignore the doctrine at our peril; we celebrate it to our benefit and to God’s glory.
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Polytheist-Witch: I'm just glad with all the walking he had to do Noah wasn't flat-footed.
If you knew your Bible, it was Moses that walked for 40 years leading the Jews out of Egypt to the promised land.
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Polytheist-Witch: Basically what everyone's written here is I'm an atheist because I didn't believe the Bible so you are all basically Christians. Because only Christians care about the Bible. No efforts been made to investigate any other religion, gods or spiritual concepts. Lazy m************.
Witches were burnt. Inviting witches to investigate other religions, Gods or spiritual concepts would be the lowest point in human development.
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Polytheist-Witch: Nobody knows what Jesus was because nobody that's wrote that book had anything to do with Jesus. If he even existed. You know what sketchy calling yourself an atheist and then spending about 20-30 minutes writing a five part post more than once about a book you think is fiction.
Jesus is kinda sketchy.
Bones then goes on to sketch Jesus using some 60 verses from the Bible which are quotes of Jesus’s own words showing just how sketchy Jesus was.
Tradesecret could not address even one of Bones sketchy details of Jesus.
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@Bones
God and Hitler.Why did an omnipotent God allow 6 million Jews to die, while knowing that many of those victims were whispering begging Him in their final moments.
For almost as long as the Jewish nation has existed, it has been persecuted and forced to wander from land to land: starting with slavery in Egypt, to the destruction of both temples in Jerusalem, to the Crusades, the pogroms, the Holocaust, and finally, modern day anti-Semitism.
The Jews were exiled from their homeland by the Egyptians, the Babylonians, the Medians, the Greeks, and now under Western rule (Holocaust)
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@oromagi
The Bible is accepted as inerrant by some 2 billion Christians.
That's any almost exclusively modern American view.Nobody would believe that the bible was inerrant in Roman times because they could see how Emperors edited the text to suit their politics.Nobody would believe that the bible was inerrant in the Middle Ages because each copy was hand-written over years and any literate monk could see the difference between one bible and the next.Believing that bible is unchanging depends on the consistency that comes with the printing press. And even then, the next few generations of people could see how radically different the King James Version was from the Coverdale version, or the Lutheran from the Vulgate. As it become common for Europeans to speak more than one language, it became easy to see the radical differences between Greek and French Bibles, Latin and German, etc.Only in America where the King James Version dominated for centuries would it possible to go from place to place and find a consistent version of the Bible, and so Americans are really the only place where people really think the Bible (mostly the KJV) is inerrant and consistent over time and place.Half of all Christians are Catholic and Catholics are not taught that the bible is in inerrant. Gallup estimates fewer than 17% of all Christians believe the Bible is the literal truth.
The "doctrine of the inerrancy of scripture"held by the Catholic Church, as expressed by the Second Vatican Council, is that "The books of Scripture must be acknowledged as teaching solidly, faithfully and without error that truth which God wanted put into sacred writings for the sake of salvation."
Catholic Church.The Second Vatican Council authoritatively expressed the Catholic Church's view on biblical inerrancy. Citing earlier declarations, it stated: "Since everything asserted by the inspired authors or sacred writers must be held to be asserted by the Holy Spirit, it follows that the books of Scripture must be acknowledged as teaching solidly, faithfully and without error that truth which God wanted put into sacred writings for the sake of salvation." The Council added: "Since God speaks in Sacred Scripture through men in human fashion, the interpreter of Sacred Scripture, in order to see clearly what God wanted to communicate to us, should carefully investigate what meaning the sacred writers really intended, and what God wanted to manifest by means of their words."
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@Kadin
Nontrinitarian Christians do not believe in the trinity, they do not believe that Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all equal as one.These folks believe that only the Father is without beginning, that the Father is greater than the Son in all things, that the Son had a beginning, and he was brought forth at a certain point as "the firstborn of all creation" and "the only-begotten son." They do recognize Jesus as the Jewish Messiah and Redeemer, and believe that after his ascension to Heaven he resumed his pre-human identity, but exalted to God's right hand until the last days.They do not believe that the Holy Spirit is an actual person, but rather refers to God's power or character depending on the context. They believe the Holy Spirit is God's "active force" that He uses to accomplish His will. Judaism and Islam also reject the concept of the trinity. How would you describe or defend the trinity to these people, and nontrinitarian Christians in particular?
The trinity as one God exists as or in three equally divine “Persons”, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit is not supported anywhere in the Bible.
Jesus always prayed to the Father
Jesus said the Holy Spirit would come only “after” he left.
John 16:7 But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. 8 When he comes, he will prove the world to be in the wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment: 9 about sin, because people do not believe in me; 10 about righteousness,because I am going to the Father, where you can see me no longer;
But the trinity or threesome that produced Jesus is well documented in Luke.
Luke 1:35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.
The Holy Spirit or sperm donor came on Mary. The Most High overshadowed (overpowered) Mary and held her down. Mary was gang raped and the threesome or trinity produced Jesus.
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@FLRW
See: "Why the Ontological Proof of God's Existence is Bullshit" (Copyright © 2010-01-21Duke Physics Department)
The article is full of suppositions.
Proving something is Bullshit should be rather straightforward.
Instead we get a confession.
“Note that I do not attempt to rationally prove this.
Nevertheless, if you (dear reader) actually exist, and are reading these words in a continuous perception of light, and touch, and sound, and taste, and smell, and are thinking about them, and hold them in your mind, you exist as you are experiencing your existence, your thoughts, your total Universe at every instant of the now.
This is beyond all need for rational proof, as you will readily see the first time you are whacked in the head by an overripe banana so that the pulp oozes down into your face and makes you look and feel all silly and not at all the person you have carefully clothed yourself in flesh and possessions to be and - for an instant - precisely centers you in the here and now of your own existence, naked even of your body.”
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@Bones
Jesus is kinda sketchy.
Bones then goes on to sketch Jesus using some 60 verses from the Bible which are quotes of Jesus’s own words showing just how sketchy Jesus was.
Tradesecret could not address even one of Bones sketchy details of Jesus.
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@TWS1405
Repeating yourself won’t make what you say any truer. It just makes you look desperate.Bible timeline is a joke. Earth is older than the biblical “timeline.” Earth is NOT the center of the universe.And the Bible was written by men to be used by men to control mankind through fear and violence to force submission or suffer eternal damnation in hell (a place that simply does not exist except in the delusional minds of the gullible sheeple).
You are holding a minority view.
The Bible is accepted as inerrant by some 2 billion Christians.
Where science backs religion.
The Cambrian explosion
The fossils point to creation, not evolution.
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@Elliott
The fossils found that date back to the Precambrian lack distinct structures as there were no skeletal forms and that means no people. Actually Precambrian life forms would have done okay in the flood as they were all aquatic.And science doesn’t back creation as there is no empirical evidence to support it and it relies on a supernatural cause, it is unscientific.Ah yes, Creation Science, an oxymoron if ever there was one. Thanks for the link, an amusing read.
We are going by the Bible timeline.
The Cambrian explosion
The fossils point to creation, not evolution.
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@Lunar108
For all those who claim that Islam had no hand in black people slavery
The fact Africans have embraced both Islam and Christianity proves they appreciated the Arab Slave Trade and the European/American/Christianity role in African Slavery.
The question is, now that Africa is no longer a British colony will the Africans revive black slavery in Africa having the blueprints of slavery left behind by Arabs and Christians?
The demand for slaves outside Africa has greatly diminished. But slavery in Africa can greatly boost its economy by providing free and cheap labour when the rest of the world are struggling with the high cost of labour.
Black discrimination will end. Blacks will now be the slave masters of black slaves and remain in Africa.
BLM may become irrelevant. It will strictly become a black issue as blacks try to put a value to black slaves.
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@Bones
What are theists's honest opinion on atheists, vice versa?
Theists opinion: Atheists fill our ranks of scientists and thinkers.
Atheists opinion: Theists pray atheists are wrong about climate change because there wont be any water left for Jesus to walk on.
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Polytheist-Witch: Noah's Ark was a spaceship and the mountain it landed on was actually planet Earth and after it let all the animals off onto the nice dry planet that they arrived at, it flew away and left behind that family they brought to take care of the animals. This is a far more believable story for the atheists they actually might consider this one legit.
So you are trying to convince atheists differently than you try with Theists hoping to gain their acceptance.
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Polytheist-Witch: There are alcoholics that post on this board you should really be nice. It's a disease, lol
That has not stopped Deb-8-a-bull from appreciation remarkably good posts.
Deb-8-a-bull —>Shila: “Your posts are of good quality / substance informitive in depth.
It is quite remarkable actually ”
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@Elliott
Assuming God exists and is unknowable that would render all religious texts relating to God as being worthless. Even the creation of the universe couldn’t be attributed to God as that would make him known. Therefore it would be impossible to differentiate between an unknown God and a non existent one.
The Ontological Argument removes any assumptions of the unknown God.
The ontological argument claims that God exists because if he did not exist, he would not be the most perfect being, and if he were not the most perfect being, then he would not be God. What makes the ontological argument unique as an argument for God’s existence is that it is entirely a priori, or an argument from reasoning, and requires no empirical evidence about our world.
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@Elliott
We are going by the Bible timeline.
The Cambrian explosion
The fossils point to creation, not evolution.
Ah yes, Creation Science, an oxymoron if ever there was one. Thanks for the link, an amusing read.
God sent the flood just 500 years after he created Adam and Eve. There were 10 generations from Adam to Noah.
The animals during that time were limited.
The Cambrian explosion took place after the great flood. As did the human population growth.
Science backs creation.
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@zedvictor4
The four canonical gospels—Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John—were all composed within the Roman Empire between 70 and 110 C.E (± five to ten years) as biographies of Jesus of Nazareth. Written a generation after the death of Jesus (ca. 30 C.E), none of the four gospel writers were eyewitnesses to the ministry of Jesus.
You are expression the opinions of modern day biblical scholars 2000 years removed from Jesus’s generation.
The scholars don’t challenge what was said in the Gospels but argue when it was said, fully aware the oral tradition was how eyewitness accounts were preserved. Scholars even accept there are no original manuscripts available to back their claims.
Therefore we end up with typical mythology.A mix of people, places and fantasy.
If that is your definition of Academia. A mix of people, places and fantasy ending up with typical mythology.
Rejecting the Gospel as a collection of eyewitness accounts of Jesus from his generation leaves you with nothing but speculation.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
QUICK REMINDER.God didn't choose to interact with people and do the whole bible thing in and around the time you were here on earth.Andddddddddddd.The whole 2nd coming thing looks like it's not going to happen in our lifetimes.What i am trying to say is.We the people of today are not that ummmm, terribly important to god.I couldn't imagine us being nowhere near as important to god as puffins or stars.Just to name two of gods top 10 greatest loves.Butttttttttttt, i may be wrong.
You are wrong. You cannot even put your thoughts together in one post.
But stick around. Some Muslim might find a jihadi companion for you.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Im close to positive it would boil down to.There ummm probably was a bloke named jesus. Of the Nazareth that existed.A Totally normal human one.
We can see you are struggling to put your thoughts together. But you are getting some of them right. There is hope!!
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@Stephen
With Adam and Eve the failure is that they disobeyed god. But god created these pair. I didn’t. Yet I am told I will suffer in hell for three reasons.(1) I apparently have inherited their sin.(2) I don’t believe Jesus was god;(3)It is doubtful that even Jesus believed himself to be a god either? So then his master plan for the creation of man was a complete failure.Then mankind become so corrupt by his actions and multiple sinful ways that he sent a flood to wipe them from the face of the earth. Another fail.He confuse human language after the destruction of Nimrod and the Tower of Babel incident so that they could not effectively communicate with each other. Another failure.Matthew 13: 40 “As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42 They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.Mathew 13 comes well after these previous disasters sent onto the shoulders of mankind by god, and it appears that god still hadn't corrected a single one of his own previous errors, either!?Why so many failures if god is said, and seen to be by millions, to be perfect? How many goes does he have to have before getting it right, before we are sent to the flames to face much gnashing of teeth in perpetuity?
The Bible is the history of the Jewish people and their struggles with their Jewish God.
The Bible portrays God as a genocidal lunatic and Jesus his son a liar and a lunatic.
The Bible has not worked for the Jews when compared to how Christianity and Islam both offshoots of the Abrahamic God have followers that number in the Billions or 2 billion each.
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@janesix
You cant know even from analyzing the creation, because we have no idea why things were created.I suppose some people could have superior knowledge to mine, yet you have no idea if your knowledge is truly correct. How could you?
It is not what you descended from but what you ascend to that is important.
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@MonkeyKing
Whether atheist, agnostic, or theist what do you see as the benefiting factor that most prominently contributes to your belief. To be clear, I'm not asking what caused your belief or lack thereof but rather why maintain your position?Me personally, I stay a religious person because I know spirituality has, and does, help me overcome challenges while having the possibility to help others. Without the focus on God that I've had I can be quite confident that I personally wouldn't have had the focus on personal growth that I have.Lemme hear what ya got
We believe in the supernatural because we believe in the natural and we cannot discriminate between the two. We create gods because we are natural-born supernaturalists, driven by our tendency to find meaningful patterns and impart to them intentional agency. The gods will always be with us because they are hard-wired into our brains…..Michael Shermer.
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@BrotherD.Thomas
is it a weak point that many types of miracles of the bible dont happen nowadays?
First Corinthians 13:8–10: “Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears.” In the KJV, the tongues “will cease.” In other words, at some point after Paul wrote 1 Corinthians, the gift of tongues would no longer be in use.
First Corinthians 12–14 is all about the proper use of spiritual gifts. Paul writes to the Corinthian church to correct the improper use of some gifts and the improper emphasis they put on certain of the more “spectacular” gifts. Right in the middle of his discussion, he speaks about the superior quality of love. Even though the Corinthian church was very gifted, they were not using their gifts in love for each other. Paul goes on to say that all of the various gifts will one day cease to function, but love will never fail. The question that many struggle with is just when these gifts will cease. Paul gives the answer in the text: “when completeness comes” (1 Corinthians 13:10).
The next question, of course, is what is the “completeness” or “the perfect” (NASB)? Essentially, there are two views:
One view, often called the “cessationist” view, is that the sign gifts were only in operation during the apostolic era to give special revelation until the completion of the New Testament. Before early Christians had the whole New Testament, they had to rely on words of knowledge, prophecy, and tongues to give them the full revelation of God. Once the church had possession of the full New Testament (the completeness), these gifts faded away as unnecessary. Faith, hope, and love continue to be in operation.
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@Benjamin
The Ontological Argument.
Christians are reducing God to a logical argument
The evidence for God found in the scriptures was sufficient to convince some 4 million Muslims and Christians as well as over a billion Hindus.
The Ontological Argument is based on abstractions surrounding the conditional “if”.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Making a koran from recycled christian bibles and vice versa also would fetch a few bucks from weird people.
More Muslims know English than Arabic.
The Quran must be read in Arab so the advantage goes to the Bible should the two be switched.
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Polytheist-Witch: Well considering you're an atheist I doubt you are a member of a church. And I won't even direct it to the mods because it'll be okay for you to do that because you're one of those people and I'm one of those people.
I would leave dealing with Witches to the church. The church has kept society safe from witches so they must know what they are doing.
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@FLRW
The four canonical gospels—Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John—were all composed within the Roman Empire between 70 and 110 C.E (± five to ten years) as biographies of Jesus of Nazareth. Written a generation after the death of Jesus (ca. 30 C.E), none of the four gospel writers were eyewitnesses to the ministry of Jesus.
You are expression the opinions of modern day biblical scholars 2000 years removed from Jesus’s generation.
The scholars don’t challenge what was said in the Gospels but argue when it was said, fully aware the oral tradition was how eyewitness accounts were preserved. Scholars even accept there are no original manuscripts available to back their claims.
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@FLRW
The majority of New Testament scholars agree that the Gospels do not contain eyewitness accounts; but that they present the theologies of their communities rather than the testimony of eyewitnesses.
Actually the Gospel authors are named Mark, Matthew, Luke and John who knew Jesus and the apostles.
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@Elliott
God sent the flood just 500 years after he created Adam and Eve.
There were 10 generations from Adam to Noah.The animals during that time were limited.
The Cambrian explosion took place after the great flood. As did the human population growth.
I think the fossil record would dispute that.
We are going by the Bible timeline.
The Cambrian explosion
The fossils point to creation, not evolution.
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@Elliott
The Gospels were written in the Jesus generation. It’s accounts are based on eyewitness accounts. The Gospel writers were there documenting these eyewitness accounts.
Oral tradition was one possibility but it would have been rather unreliable given that the Gospels were written forty to sixty years after the death of JesusAlternatively, many New Testament Scholars agree that the Gospels were not based on the testimony of eyewitnesses but on the theology of the Gospel writer’s communities.
Modern Christians still base their theology on the Gospel writers just like the Gospel writers based their accounts on the eyewitness accounts of their generation. But those eyewitness accounts were from the Jesus generation and therefore more closer to the events and facts surrounding Jesus.
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@Bones
Noah’s ark must be pretty big.How do you get 8.7 million animals onto a boat?
God sent the flood just 500 years after he created Adam and Eve. There were 10 generations from Adam to Noah.
The animals during that time were limited.
The Cambrian explosion took place after the great flood. As did the human population growth.
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@BrotherD.Thomas
Question: as is adamantly shown in this treatise, the pseudo-christian, and me as the only TRUE Christian upon this forum, our faith’s Bible is guilty of pornography and the obscene! Therefore, what do we do to not get our JUDEO-Christian Bible from being banned, or worse, even burned like many of Jesus’ creation want to perform for this type of book?!
If the Bible you claim is guilty of pornography and the obscene you should not have any fear it will be banned.
Pornography is thriving regardless of the religious beliefs of the performers.
What you can do to prevent the JUDEO-Christian Bible from being banned, or worse, even burned like many of Jesus’ creation want to perform for this type of book?!
You can reduce the typical climatic call to God. Oh! my God!! And curse the devil instead.
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