Shila

A fully Mastered pastor

Why do Muslims always deflect to the Bible?

How so?

Incoherence

For sure.

Group activities can be fun.

And we find comfort in routine.

And safety in the pack.

But whether or not a pragmatic God would finds  rituals dedicated to it necessary, is unlikely.

But of course.

Whether or not there is a GOD, pragmatic or otherwise, is still to be confirmed.

And then which one.

Or which ones Poly.

Go dance naked around the camp fire, and enjoy.

On my sabbath I will be donning my lycra and cycling 50 miles with my pack of MAMIL'S.

Both were executed in Rome by Romans. 

Polytheist-Witch

Notice how it doesn't take the atheist long to fall back on anti-semitism, bigotry, death threats and rape jokes.  👍

The Roman historian and senator Tacitus referred to Christ, his execution by Pontius Pilate and the existence of early Christians in Rome in his final work, Annals (c. AD 116),

Yes, 116 years after Jesus was supposedly born.  I guess he read some of the myths the newly formed Christians were spreading.

Nope. No one witnessed a dead Christ.

The body of Jesus was placed in a tomb. So what?

Nope. Not a single person witnessed a dead three days old , stinking and rotting corpse come back to life.

Indeed therefore man, the bible says, was created as good as god... or as poorly designed.

Abrahamic is all 3, judeo-christian is only found in the J and C... Obviously...

And yes thanks, also many of those 4 billion don't believe it, they pretend to so that their family and friends don't reject them.

Jesus was never mentioned in any Roman sources and there is no archeological evidence that Jesus ever existed. Even Christian sources are problematic – the Gospels come long after Jesus' death, written by people who never saw the man.

Suffering is just a product of Poor Design.

So?  Also according to the bible we were created in his image".

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Genesis 1:27

I dont believe in the judeochristian god... that god is impossible and defies our reality.

We adhere to or bosses, they don't need to be moral to do so, same with parents.

High priced precision pastoring. 

Rather an odd thing to say about members here considering your profile shows you to have been a member for only 4 fkn days.

Shila

A member since August 16, 2022

Shila (debateart.com)

I think your mask is slipping sunshine. Must try harder.

If god is real, god is amoral.

Does anybody disagree?

Experience and Testimony is Evidence, Reid's Principle of Credulity applied to god(s) existence

CONCLUSION

With this argument it ends up with the atheist or agnostic needing to now provide justification for their position in the debate. Counter-evidence needs to be provided or else theism is rationally concluded as true (tentatively). Not only must counter-evidence be provided, but they also must defend against arguments that it is not, in fact, counter-evidence. That is the strength of this argument, it makes it so no longer is the theist playing defense but the atheist and agnostic is.

I know this argument will be unconvincing to most people, but it is important to remember that an argument can both be sound and also be unconvincing. We are not purely rational beings after all.

Suffering is just a product of Poor Design.

Well it appears that is all one has to do is " unblock" themselves to become a "master", Deb.

"For some students an attunement can be a very wonderful, or emotional experience.

And if someone doesn’t feel a lot during an attunement, they often will have wonderful experiences later on, as long as they continue to use Reiki.

For example I had a Reiki class with 3 women, they were all friends. Two of them had intense experiences during the attunements, but one of them felt nothing. She was sad, that she couldn't feel anything during the attunements, but her friends did.

I told her that this is ok, maybe she needed to release some blockages first". 

What are Attunements? (gatelightelearning.com)

Is it any wonder that the Witch tells us that she comes here to only take shite?

Yes, it was a lovely day.

And the Earth was at a specific point of it's Solar Orbit, such that viewed from here, the duration between the sun rising and setting was at it's maximum.

And today, hopefully will be very similar but with a marginally shorter duration between sun rise and sun set.

And so on, until December 21st.

And so on.

Until such a time, when the Sun will eventually engulf the Earth.

And we will cease to be memories.

Unless we have escaped this Earthly prison.

You may be wondering why this topic about Evolution is not in the Science Forum, but here in the Religion Forum. Bare with me.

For the longest time, I was apathetic to Evolutionary Theory. It didn't speak to me. I come from a Physics/Mathematics background. So the whole thing didn't look serious to me. From someone who studied things like Quantum Mechanics, Gravitation & Particle Physics, evolutionary ideas looked too mechanical, too naive, too archaic. No maths. The world we commonly encounter in our daily lives is minimally energetic. That's why it looks as if things are mechanical, as if things affect each-other, as if we understand the parts of a problem, then we can understand the problem. In another highly energetic world the things we think of as common sense would become completely uncommon. That is the quantum realm, the femto-world, where things are highly energetic for their sizes, weird shite happens. The world is not a a large reductionist structure, it's a weird mysterious enigma. Evolutionary postulates, however, are reductionist champions. That's why they never made much sense to me. But they always held some romance to them. Maybe I just don't get it yet, maybe I'm not seeing what all these people are seeing. This, until I read Richard Dawkins book The Blind Watchmaker. This book completely changed my mind about Evolution. I thought I was in for a scientific adventure. What does the icon of Evolution have to say? To my astonishment, this was no book of Science. This was not terrible Science. The few psychiatry papers I read before were terrible. The alien articles I read were terrible. This was simply not Science at all, rather Literature, of the Myth genre. The entire premise of the book is: 'Evolution is true, therefore let's imagine how it happened'. A genesis story of creation with a materialist mythology. Hence the title, Imagination... I mean... Evolutionation.

For a theory which has been systematically & consistently taught for decades across the globe as a core science curriculum, Evolution fails spectacularly in gaining support. Despite all the promotions, the majority of people outside Europe & East Asia do not believe in mainstream Evolution. In the US, only 20% of Americans believe in the mainstream claims of Evolution, whereas 40% deny it, despite the decades long totalitarian tyranny the evolutionary narrative exerts over the country's education & academic arenas. The evolutionationists believe that it's the fault of the Church. In truth, it's the fault of the theory itself. The Church could not thwart antithetical scientific ideas about the cosmos from spreading when it had absolute power over the people. It is of highest absurdity that the Church would be able to thwart sensible scientific ideas when in a time where it is of ultimate powerlessness in state & academic institutions. Very few people insist on denying things they see with their eyes & realize to be true in favor of their dogmas. Certainly, the idea is simply not that compelling. The evolutionary narrative is a failed narrative. It had all the chances in the world & all the powers of the state to gain support, yet it barely managed to. 

For those of you who subscribe to this mythos. Before you get your panties in a wad, this has nothing to do with Creationism. I'm Muslim, the truth of Evolution does not add to or diminishes from my faith. In fact, the earlier theories of evolution emerged from the Muslim world. Ikhwan Safa taught that life progresses from plants to monkeys to humans. Ideas which have been adopted by many among the Mutazilites after them, eventually making it into Europe in early 19th century. Such is an idea which has been circulating in the Muslim world for over a thousand years, yet barely being able garner any serious support. Disgraceful! Maybe in 500 years we'll have a quantum theory of biology. But for now, this evolutionary story may very well be all that we can muster. That said, if you're a Christian, why do you believe in this evolutionary story while you have a more compelling life story in the Bible? If you're a naturalist, what makes you believe in the truth of this story knowing that it's unscientific?

America's wealthiest pastor Kenneth Copeland is worth $760 million and doesn't pay taxes on his $7 million dollar mansion.

What did Jesus mean when He said it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get into heaven?

Any halfway intelligent person is well aware that the genuine practicing of witchcraft was not in any way associated with the "Witch Hunts" in history. Men and women who had in some way made enemies with those in political or religious positions were murdered using the term witch to kill them. While some of these people may have engaged in practices that were once done in the community by witches such as midwifing or herbal healing there's no proof they practiced genuine witchcraft. Most were probably Christian practitioners who were honoring and continuing a skill that they were taught by a parent. The term witch is still used as a negative in political and religious speech to target mostly women but also men who are outside or considered an enemy of that political/ religious persuasion. What does this have to do with the modern practicing of witchcraft? That people in general still view that practice as evil or somehow negative. And that the people engaging in it are evil and negative. This holds true in regards to atheism as well even though witchcraft is a series of practices and that it's an atheistic practice and that gods are not necessary to engage in it. It is still considered woo woo by non- spiritual atheist and the target put on a person who calls themselves a witch is done by both political / religious enemies as well as atheism. I'm attaching a video that was done by an archaeologist who is also participates in a variety of pagan practices. It explains how the genuine practice of witchcraft has been demonized and uses a political tool to hurt and kill people who were probably in no way shape or form engaging in what would be considered witchcraft by those actually practicing. 

youtu.be/KQ3iHdbWRaE

Interestingly, there have been modern-day attempts in Christianity to make God gender neutral. For instance, in the early 1980's the National Council of Churches released a new translation of the Bible that eliminated references to God as solely male. As an example, John 3:16 was changed to read ''For God so loved the world that God gave God's only Child, that whoever believes in that Child should not perish, but have eternal life.''

Is God male? If not, why should our translation of God's Word us the masculine pronoun?

My math major has showed me some signs of a higher power like the following:

1) sin(x)=x-(x^3/3!)+(x^5/5!)-(x^7/7!)+(x^9/9!) ...

2) cos(x)=1-(x^2/2!)+(x^4/4!)-(x^6/6!)+(x^8/8!) ... 

3) 4(1-(1/3)+(1/5)-(1/7)+(1/9)-(1/11)+)... = pi.

There's more, but I don't think this could all be by chance.

But when I converted to Christianity, their god initially told me to call him, "God".  I did this and I got my prayers answered.  Then he switched to, "Jehovah"(Jehovah's witnesses believe the exact same thing as standard Christianity except they call their God a different name(Jehovah)).  That worked for a little bit, but then he insisted on changing his name again.

This led me to believe that religion is in my head.

So if I'm not religious nor atheist, there needs to be an alternate source of the universe's existence.

This leads me to be a simulationist.  I think we are living on a planet that's in a universe that's in a computer simulation run by aliens and they sent math as proof of their existence.  They invented all these religions as an experiment to see what would happen if they gave humanity many different religions.  There are probably universes where there is only 1 religion and the aliens are collecting the data they are interested in.  The aliens are curious so they experiment on us by presenting stimuli and seeing how we react to this.  They are not all loving nor all powerful, they are just curious to see what happens when certain stimuli is produced .

https://www.biola.edu/blogs/biola-magazine/2013/did-the-apostles-really-die-as-martyrs-for-their-f

Info on the martyrdom of the apostles as historical fact

What do skeptics think of this argument?

"Evil is subjective by nature and therefore unless you agree to a common standard with your interlocutor the conversation will break down at "is x really evil though?""

It may be both.

Do you wish to discuss xs or evil?

Evil is objectively always at the end of the graph for good and evil that denotes what we would not prefer.

Evil xs  or issues then would be subjective, as to degree of evil, but always objectively evil.

If subjective, as you say, then show where evil is ever on the good side of a good and evil graph.

Regards

DL

I highly doubt it would be a " sign of respect " participating in this, The three week spectacular  if you've  a foreskin.

There are many many ways one can pay homage to  god.   But allllllllll of this comes to nil , if as above. ( You've a foreskin ) 

So ummm yeah.  ' kicks dirt ' 

BE AWARE OF THIS FACT before you put yourself out in any way shape or form for god.

Foreskin    =    NO heaven.

I mean.   

You don't go to heaven  if you have a foreskin.

How can you enter heaven if ya dont

'  cue drums '

Stand still laddy!

Scriptural  verses that declared Jesus a demon possessed lunatic.

John 10:20 Many of them said, "He is demon-possessed and raving mad. Why listen to him?"

Mark 3:21 when his family heard about this, they went to take charge of him, for they said, "He is out of his mind."

Jesus was deluded and believed God spoke through him.

John 12:49 For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken.

But when the people listened to the words he spoke they did not understand him, even his disciples struggled to understand him. Jesus had to explain to them in secret what he was saying in his parables. But he explained with more parables which suggests God was also incoherent and inarticulate and failed to communicate through Jesus. But we know God turned Moses who was slow in speech and mind into a leader and messenger. The problem was Jesus not God.

Mark 4:34 He did not say anything to them without using a parable. But when he was alone with his own disciples, he explained everything.

Jesus was a notorious liar. Even John the Baptist expressed his doubts to Jesus and asked Jesus if he was really the promised one.

Jesus lied when he said John the Baptist was Elijah. John denied he was Elijah.

Here are the scriptures to back my claims. Jesus said John was Elijah, John denies he is Elijah.

Matthew 11:14

And if you are willing to accept what I say, he is Elijah, the one the prophets said would come.

In John 1:6"8 and John 1:19"28, John the Baptist denies he is Elijah. Yet in Matthew 17:9"13, Jesus implies that he was. Isn't this a contradiction?

John 1:21"They asked him, "Then who are you? Are you Elijah?"

He said, "I am not."

"Are you the Prophet?"

He answered, "No."

John expresses doubts Jesus is the promised one.

Matthew 11:2"When John, who was in prison, heard about the deeds of the Messiah, he sent his disciples 3"to ask him, "Are you the one who is to come, or should we expect someone else?"

Jesus expresses his own doubts on the cross.

Matthew 27:46 About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" (which means "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?").

We know Jesus was crucified for his blasphemous lies.

Jesus did not fulfill any prophesies. By his own account he did not come to change the laws of the prophets. He proved he was subjected to the laws even in his life and thereby validating the Mosaic law given to the Jews by God.

According to the Jewish law:

Deuteronomy 18:20 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, is to be put to death."

It is clear Jesus did not fulfill the prophesies. Instead, He was subjected to the law and put to death as demanded of false prophets according to Mosaic law.

Jesus lied that he was to be sacrificed.

Human sacrifice was forbidden by God. So Jesus was not sacrificed.

Many argue Jesus's death was prophesied. But even Jesus's prophesies were not fulfilled.

1. Matthew 10:23 When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

Jesus never fulfilled that promise.

2. Matthew 24:34

Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.

2000 years have passed and many generation have gone by yet his promise remains unfulfilled.

Jesus was a liar and a lunatic before and after his death. Unfortunately he could only be crucified once.

So why are Christians turning God into a liar and lunatic or turning a liar and lunatic into a God?

As a Vedantist raised in the Vedantuc tradition and trained in the reading of esoteric scriptures, Christian Theology and Islamic fundamentalist, I am not at liberty to speculate outside of scriptures. And the scriptures are clear that Jesus was tried, convicted and put to death for his blasphemous lies and lunacy.

So why are Christians perpetrating the delusions of a Jewish rabbi who was put to death for his delusional blasphemous lies?

We have to turn to our experts in tbe field of human behaviour. As a student of the behavioural sciences (CBT) I have also explored a diagnostic approach.

Kathleen Taylor, Neuroscientist, Says Religious Fundamentalism Could Be Treated As A Mental Illness - Huffington Post

Prag mag god.

Stop being so silly. An empty to tomb is evidence only that a tomb was empty. Absolutely no one witnessed the Christ rise from being physically and biologically dead from the cold slab he was said to have been laid on and walk away from the private burial tomb  in a privately owned garden that belong to yet another of Jesus' rich friends.

Without a 'sacrifice' there could be no talk of a second coming. The return of Jesus would be contigent upon his death. So, again, you've not presented evidence of anyone working to stop a 'second coming' much less any Christians doing so.

Aside the fact that my question was posed to another and you have taken it upon yourself to comment on someone else's behalf. Why do you not answer the question?

What is it that you believe you have been enlightened to, if enlightened at all?

Go dance naked around the camp fire, and enjoy.

The Old Covenant was about to disappear. The two covenants existed side-by-side up until AD 70 (40 years, one generation) until everything was accomplished and fulfilled.

Extremely well put!

No he's not serious he's a racist and a bigot and an atheist.

Nighty night,

Sleep tight.

And if a Lord wishes to watch over me tonight,

Then it's more than welcome.

Why didn't it just knock on the door?

Instead of spying through the windows.

Genesis 9. 10.11.

So who documented this stuff whilst GOODO was amusing itself with Adam and Eves frolicking.

Because GODDO was only any good with a tablet and chisel.

It hadn't yet invented pens or word processing.

Romans may or may not be Christian...Jews are definitely NOT Christian.  

You've dropped multiple points which are damagaing to your argument. What you did address is not making any sense, my friend. 

Pragmatic.

ADJECTIVE:   Dealing with things sensibly and realistically in a way that is based on practical rather than theoretical considerations.

One would just hope/expect that if there were an actual creator GOD, it would be omni-sensible.

In my opinion ritualism isn't the remotest bit sensible. It's people doing daft stuff for no real reason.

Any GOD watching would be laughing it's socks off.

Perhaps that's it.

Maybe we are just entertainment.

If Christ was sinless, did he have free will? Could he really have refused to die on the cross?