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This is one theory regarding the Exodus story. It is possibly a contentious theory but I thought it may be of interest. There is a fair bit about it on the internet for those who may be curious.

 

During the mid-14th century B.C.E. Egyptian Pharaoh Akhenaten decreed during his reign that his subjects were to worship only one god and that was the sun-disk Aten. After Akhenaten’s death Egypt retuned to polytheism, worship of Aten was deemed heresy and his worshipers faced persecution.

 

The theory is that Moses was a high priest of the god Aten, who with a number of his fellow believers fled into Canaan and established a monotheistic religion there.

Not to mention her exhibiting persistent hypocrisy, double standards, misandry and venomous hate for atheists. . But she 'so loves the world'. John 3:16

So your answer is no, and I agree but not for the same reasons. I said in my op :

Stephen wrote: I personally wouldn’t want to see this ancient work destroyed.#1

And so by Christians claiming for one  to know and understand the bible, one has to be able to read ancient Greek and ancient Hebrew is complete and utter bullshite and only used as default when they find themselves cornered by  awkward and embarrassing questions. 

I have heard people relate or describe Black Lives Matter as described in Luke 15:

Now the tax collectors and sinners were all gathering around to hear Jesus. But the Pharisees and the teachers of the law muttered, “This man welcomes sinners and eats with them.” Then Jesus told them this parable: “Suppose one of you has a hundred sheep and loses one of them. Doesn’t he leave the ninety-nine in the open country and go after the lost sheep until he finds it? And when he finds it, he joyfully puts it on his shoulders and goes home. Then he calls his friends and neighbors together and says, ‘Rejoice with me; I have found my lost sheep.’  I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent.

Do you think this is similar to the message of Black Lives Matter? When 100 sheep go missing, Jesus leaves the 99 and goes looking for the 1. The other sheep wonder, "don't we matter" which is similar to All Lives Matter. Of course the other sheep matter, but they're not the ones in danger so they are not the ones Jesus is paying attention to.  

Unless you believe there is no history of racism in this country with lingering impacts, or that black people do not have any inherent disadvantages or discrimination due to skin color, I could see how one would relate the passages. 

Directly after this passage follows the Parable of the Lost Coin and the Parable of the Prodigal Son. They reflect the importance of redemption and asking forgiveness. They analogize persons who are lost souls, and the significance and joy of them finding their way through God's grace. It is specifically the sinners or non-believers that need God most, so there is special attention paid to those people despite being less than ideal models of God. 

I'm not saying black people are lost souls, but what do these passages mean to you in relation to the BLM movement, or having compassion for people who do not glorify God or live by His example? The Bible is filled with stories about empathy, compassion and forgiveness even for those who are not worthy. The lesson is to exemplify God's grace to others, and by doing so you and them can be saved. How can we be more Christian in our politics or social politics to live by God's word? 

In Matthew 7 Jesus gives the golden rule. Treat others as you would like to be treated. This of course is UNIQUE to Christianity and perhaps some other religions who have been privy to the bible. 

Sometimes people suggest other religions and person such as Confucius  and Buddha said the same thing but this would be confusing apples with oranges. 

Other statements are mostly put in the negative not in the positive. The difference is profound. The first chooses not to punch their enemy in the face. The latter chooses to build their enemy a hospital. Positive and negative are important to consider.  

The other aspect about Jesus’ golden rule that is conveniently forgotten is that it is prefaced with another item which the others do not even contemplate. Love God with all of you heart and soul and mind and then - love others. Omitting this preface distorts entirely the meaning of the second commandment. It is impossible to love others in the way Jesus indicated without first loving God. 

Hence it is clear that while other religions and cultures had a similar rule, the two are so significantly different that Jesus’ golden rule is unique. 

Do you agree or disagree? Please explain why. 

I claimed I do not believe in a logical world. I claimed that if this world is logical, it is not human logic as we know it. I claimed it may be logical in a way we are unaware of,and do not and possibly cannot understand.

Don't misunderstand me. But an assumed Christian can only do one thing. And I have been told this over and over on this forum. There is no Christian worldview. There are no Christian doctrines that we follow all the time because we cherry pick them at will, and let the disturbing doctrines remain on the side, and if we did follow a few of these disturbing doctrines, we would be doing prison time in the name of Jesus. There are just Christians who ALL believe in Jesus in so many different ways because of so many contradicting divisions of the  faith!  In fact this is our only belief in who in the Hell is the real Jesus?!     LOL!

So if someone who calls themselves a Christian - does good or is benevolent to someone - it is not the result of their Christianity.   In fact that would be impossible.  Because if it was - then this would be implying that there are positive beliefs that flow from Christianity even when the Bible contradicts itself ad infinitum.  But we know that has to be untrue, even though it does. 

So how then can a Christian do good things if it does not always flow from their Christian view?  

It is because they have to borrow from other world views that preceded Christianity- things like morality and goodness and well, everything for that matter.  They are really a lot like leaches aren't we? 

Assumed Christians therefore only ever do good works and benevolent things when they borrow them from someone else, like Christianity did from many  previous religions, especially Mithraism that was copied by Christianity verbatim!!!   And given that there is not an Christian worldview because our divisions of the faith contradict each other - it must flow from a non-Christian worldview and understanding of the world.  Assumed Christians do good not because they are Christians, but because Jesus tells them to be good for their salvation.  Don't you love this? 

So every time a Christian does anything good - they actually reveal a belief in Humanism even if they with their mouths and their minds are Christians.  This is such an amusing thing.  

I as being the only True Christian upon this forum have had to accept the above facts towards Christianity.

How will the assumed Christian rationalize this? Well we will wait and find out won’t we.  

Extremely well put!

Free will contradicts theism because a creator God necesarily prohibits free will.

P1: An omniscient God knows the complete history of every possible universe; (by necesity including all choices made every universe)

P2: A creator God decided which of the possible universes to create

C: God literally decided how history would turn out and what choices people would make

There is no way around this conclusion. God decided to create a universe where Adam and Eve would eat from the fruit of knowledge. God decided that Adam and Eve would sin, because literally nothing is outside his controll. By definition, nothing happens that conflict with God's decisions. Adam and Eve did not have free will; their choice was no more free than a clock is to show the correct time or not. The creator of the watch is responsible for the watch dysfunctioning, not the watch istself. Blaming a human for a crime is like blaming a gun for a murder --- sure it was the gun who shot the bullet, but the gun was controlled by someone else. This is just an analogy of course, but the point is important. 

The problem of evil is so often dismissed without further elaboration by pointing to free will, and that humans (and/or demons), not God, cause evil and suffering in this world. When used to solve the problem of evil free will is nothing short of magic being invoked to dodge the disturbing implications of God's magic.

If we remove the "magic" from the equation we can confidently say that all humans have choice --- but that CHOISE IS NOT FREE FROM EXTERNAL CONTROLL AND CAUSALITY

Yes, I would say so. Although I doubt Scotus would openly agree with that description. 

Tradesecret : Poly never said you spewed hatred by quoting the scriptures.  It is your commentary and interpretation that permeates hatred.   

Jesus was crucified but thankfully, and praise God, he rose from the dead.  He is alive. 

I assume you think that because he destroyed the world - that this means he did not love the world.  Perhaps it might mean that. Or perhaps it might mean that he did not love what humans had become - so he decided to wash the world clean with water?    

It is not unimportant that God waited patiently for them to repent - according to 1 Peter 3:20.   Even in their hatred of God, God still waited for them to stop being disobedient. 120 years is a long time. 

In any event, Jesus did not miscalculate in any of his dealings on earth. Nor did he speak differently in the NT than he did in the OT.   God judges in the NT and in the OT. He loved in the OT and in the NT.   IT is the same God in the OT and the NT.  

The only who seems to be incorrect or in error is you. 

Genesis 6:6-10 The LORD regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. 7So the LORD said, "I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created-and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground-for I regret that I have made them."

"So loved the world! eh, "Tradey".  

The share of Americans who identify as white and Christian has dropped below 50 percent, a transformation fueled by immigration and by growing numbers of people who reject organized religion altogether, according to a new survey released Wednesday.

Christians overall remain a large majority in the U.S., at nearly 70 percent of Americans. However, white Christians, once predominant in the country’s religious life, now comprise only 43 percent of the population, according to the Public Religion Research Institute, or PRRI, a polling organization based in Washington. Four decades ago, about eight in 10 Americans were white Christians.

What percent of college professors are Christians?  That figure is only about 7 percent, according to the nationwide General Social Survey, issued by the National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago.

Sons of Gods screwing our human women caused Yahweh to use genocide on the whole of Noah's earth.

To think that a returning, genocidal Armageddon holding savior like Jesus is good, is way too immoral of a position for me to endorse.

What denomination do you follow?

Why would you think that a God who can cure as easily as kill would choose to kill?

Regards

DL

What you see as evil in the world, some see as good.

Regards

DL

Okay, we seem to be arguing in circles. I think I have done.

How Does One Reconcile The Existence of God on a Debate Site?

FFS give over you clown. He had wounds, flesh wounds, and had invited people to have a poke around. 

The disciples believed they were seeing a ghost/ spirit." 37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit". 

 But Jesus says touch my wounds and have a good poke around and see > "it is I myself for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have".Luke 24:36- 39

Jesus in the verses above is clearly saying he is not spirit because spirits do not have flesh and bone. Take it or leave it sunshine, but this is a biblical fact from the mouth of the Christ himself.

If you want to keep acting the complete and utter twat be my guest but don't expect too many responses from me. 

Polytheist-Witches: It's okay I don't expect any white man to get it because they tend to be really stupid of everything that they don't actually engage in themselves. So you understand very very little.

I am a realist and see a lot more good than evil.

As a Gnostic Christian, I can see the underlying perfection of what is around me.

The Gnostic Christian reality.

Gnostic Christian Jesus said,  "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all.

[And after they have reigned they will rest.]"

 

"If those who attract you say, 'See, the Kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you.

 

If they say to you, 'It is under the earth,' then the fish of the sea will precede you.

 

Rather, the Kingdom of God is inside of you, and it is outside of you.

 

[Those who] become acquainted with [themselves] will find it; [and when you] become acquainted with yourselves, [you will understand that] it is you who are the sons of the living Father.

 

But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."

 

As you can see from that quote, if we see God's kingdom all around us and inside of us, we cannot think that the world is anything but evolving perfection. Most just don't see it and live in poverty. Let me try to make you see the world the way I do.

 

Here is a mind exercise. Tell me what you see when you look around. The best that can possibly be, given our past history, or an ugly and imperfect world?

 

Candide.

"It is demonstrable that things cannot be otherwise than as they are; for as all things have been created for some end, they must necessarily be created for the best end.”

 

That means that we live in the best of all possible worlds, because it is the only possible world, given all the conditions at hand and the history that got us here. That is an irrefutable statement given entropy and the anthropic principle.

 

Regards

DL

It isn’t a matter of questioning his teachings it is the fact that people are able to place their own interpretation on them.

 

As to this “But why he stopped is made clear in john 19. The drink he received was not enough to keep him going. They should have offered him a larger wine cup filled to the top.” It isn't made clear, where in John’s gospel does it say that the drink was not enough and that they should have given him larger wine cup filled to the top?  It doesn’t, it is fabrication. He didn’t even drink from the cup, he sucked the wine from a sponge.

So your answer is , No, then.

Polytheist-Witch: Well the title bitch, should basically imply I'm a bitch. I'm too old to menstrate but I appreciate you feeling I have a young energy. So if you're looking for a title that doesn't have to do with me being on a period I'd go for cunt. I certainly pride myself on that one.

Polytheist-Witch: Repeating something stupid doesn't change it to smart.

Evidence for God

Polytheist-Witch: The fact that you're stupid doesn't make it a title. Nice try though.

Polytheist-Witch: Seems that way, yes. 

One of the duties of the state is to protect religious freedom.  Religious freedom isn't only applicable to Christianity- it applies to all religious views. The personal views of government officials are irrelevant to their governmental obligation. Using the power of the people to advance their religion would be a betrayal of the trust the governed places in them.

Stephen wrote: Well it is there written in black on white. Jesus returned as he went a, full  grown human . His wounds were flesh wounds. He says he is flesh and bone and clearly states that he cannot be a spirit because he is flesh and bone.

Stephen wrote: But what about the bible? Should it be condemn The Bible To The Skip?

Jacob strove both for and against God when creating Jewry.

All of us should seek a master, but only to be able to do better.

Remember that Jesus takes over when he gets to heaven.

So should we all wish to.

Regards

DL

Polytheist-Witch:

Polytheist-Witch: April 30/ May 1 has all kinds of goodies going. Black New Moon, Partial Solar Eclipse and Wonnenacht (also known as Walpurgisnacht elsewhere) where Holda leads the Wild Hunt and grinds the souls on her mill to break up the parts and move them on. And it's the first night of the twelve-night/twelve-day observance where Dunner (Thor) fights the Frost Giants so planting can begin on Mother's Day.  Lots of ritual work. Very exciting.

No I just said that so dumbass is like you would reply

Separation protects both religion from state and state from religion.

Polytheist-Witch: It's not a title,  you freaking idiot.

There is nothing definitive there; it all seems to be speculation based on personal interpretation.

 

For example, you say “Jesus never said his mission was finished. Which explains why he promised to return.” This is an argument from ignorance. Failing to say his mission is finished puts you in a position of not knowing, it doesn’t equate to him promising to return.

 

It is one of the reasons I don’t consider Jesus to be a great teacher, if your teachings are open to interpretation then you have failed to accurately convey your message.

Polytheist-Witch: April 30/ May 1 has all kinds of goodies going. Black New Moon, Partial Solar Eclipse and Wonnenacht (also known as Walpurgisnacht elsewhere) where Holda leads the Wild Hunt and grinds the souls on her mill to break up the parts and move them on. And it's the first night of the twelve-night/twelve-day observance where Dunner (Thor) fights the Frost Giants so planting can begin on Mother's Day.  Lots of ritual work. Very exciting. 

why do feminists defend islam and not christianity

Polytheist-Witch: The posts that are here are what happens when male pigs try to describe a practice they've taken no effort in doing any research on. And what information they have gathered is from TV shows like Charmed or movies like The Craft. Morons.

Just curious how the double standard runs exactly, is it that since the parents mutilate the child via a surgeon, it's okay to remove the beautiful foreskin the way that God made it?

This applies to you oddball American Catholics and Protestants who circumcise despite it being a Jewish and Islamic tradition, same with some African Christians and even tribal Pagans that took on the tradition.

OK. So what is your answer? 

Christian nationalism is as American as apple pie.

What is nationalism? Defined broadly, it's the political expression of identitarianism. We have black identitarianism, an umbrella POC identitarianism, a slowly growing white identitarianism, feminism, the LGBTQ movement, militant atheist political activism to shut down any whiff of a small town Christmas pageant or football game prayers, and so on. 

Then there are a million other niche groups that haven't quite risen to that level: people who call themselves "survivors" of mainstream psychiatry. People who identify with the label of not being able to get a girlfriend. Eunuchs. Flat earthers. Anti-vaxxers. All of it's but a continuation of Alexis de Tocqueville's description of America as a place of endless voluntary associations.

I would be shocked if Christians weren't a part of this process. Especially given that Christians have some of the most noteworthy collective gripes and grievances in the country.

I don’t know where you are coming from with his “needing more wine” it seems like an attempt at a metaphor and a rather obscure one so at that. I don’t think there is a Biblical reference to give it any substance.

 

Jesus said “it is finished” so hardly a promise to return, quite the opposite.

 

The fact is he didn’t fulfil the proficiency in Isaiah 2:4 and it is one fundamental to him being accepted as the Jewish messiah, to say he intends to do it when he returns at some unspecified time is something of a cop out, I doubt the Jews would accept that and I don’t blame them.

NO!!!. read what this supposed son of god says himself, FFS!. 

The disciples believed they were seeing a ghost/ spirit." 37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit".

 But Jesus says touch my wounds and have a good poke around and see > "it is I myself for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have".Luke 24:36- 39

Read this thread and  see what the dopey apologist invent in their attempts to get over this little dilemma.

As I have already written above:

Stephen wrote;  when [Christians are]  pressed on such it appears that these very same people will resort to the default that one must understand Greek or Hebrew to even begin to understand a Bible that is written in English! But by saying so they do not seem to understand that they have, in just a few words, rendered the Bible written in English redundant, pointless and unreliable as any kind of “witness” source to the life and times of the Christ.#1

My point is that when Christians are pressed on matters biblical and posed awkward and or embarrassing questions about what is written in the bible, their default is along the lines of  " your question is redundant because you can't read or understand the context of ancient Greek of ancient Hebrew".  And by using this default they don't seem to realise that they, themselves, have just condemned all bibles written in English to the trash pile. Hence my question:

May They Just As Well Condemn The Bible To The Skip?

So is your answer yes or no?

Curious facts.

Interestingly some of the first documented Witches on broomsticks were Christians, deemed heretics by the Roman Catholic Church.

And the first trial and torture of a witch on a broomstick, was that of a male priest.

And for sure sticks between legs is an ancient fertility ritual, for obvious reasons.

Nothing has changed???

Where are the animal sacrifices of the Old Covenant? Where is the Levitical priesthood? Where is the blood atonement for the sins of Israel? Where is the temple and temple worship? Where are the feast days sacrifices? Remember that Jesus said not ONE iota of the law or prophets will change/be abolished until ALL is accomplished. So, where are these things? Why are they not being followed today? Address Matthew 5:17-18.

No, not the same. We are born again. It is now God, in Christ Jesus, who has done the work, not me. My faith rests upon Jesus and what He accomplished, not on anything I can or have done. And the Holy Spirit changes my disposition towards God. God creates in me a new spirit, a spirit of renewal and trust in Him. What I could not do on my own I see as accomplished in Christ Jesus.  

Agree. Judeo-Christian is code for Christian.