Shila

Judaism and Christianity holds conflicting views on Jesus. This proposed definition of Judeo-Christian is incoherent. Additionally, you've provided no position on Christian Nationalism. 

Is the Bible written in English worth the paper it is written on? I personally wouldn’t want to see this ancient work destroyed.

I think it is well known of me by now that on the surface I find the Bible (New Testament in particular) to be a book of contradictory, ambiguous, anomalous, vague, enigmatic and problematic half stories surrounding a man that believed or was led to believe he was a rightful king and heir to the throne of Jerusalem and the power struggle that he had to endure in the times of ancient Palestine under Roman occupation and between the many other factions and sects that existed at the time. And not to be taken literally at all times. i.e. a man didn’t rises from a physical death to be alive again after being physically dead for three days.

Others think to the contrary. For instance, there are those that I have met that believe the Bible to be clear and concise in its presentation and self evidently true and without any ambiguity whatsoever in the way it has come down to us. Until of course they are posed a few simple questions which usually arise not just frequently from the Bible but just as frequent from their own commentary, and when pressed on such it appears that these very same people will resort to the default that one must understand Greek or Hebrew to even begin to understand a Bible that is written in English! But by saying so they do not seem to understand that they have, in just a few words, rendered the Bible written in English redundant, pointless and unreliable as any kind of “witness” source to the life and times of the Christ.

So is there at all any point to reading, never mind studying the Bible written in English? A Bible that those who have said that is clear and concise but suddenly insist that the Bible is fathomable and understandable only when one is tutored, trained and learned in the ancient Greek or Hebrew languages?

Perhaps the New Testament was written to include the fulfilment of those prophesies simply to establish the claim that Jesus was the Messiah.

 

To say he fulfilled the Messianic prophesies, what about this one:

 

Isaiah 2:4

He will judge between the nations and will settle disputes for many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore.

 

Looking at the history of Christianity quite the opposite was achieved.

So often when I talk with Christians about the Trinity they use analogies which more align with the heretical views of modalism, partialism, or tritheism. When they don't offer those analogies they tend to either use such vague terminology that it isn't clear what they are talking about, simply give a link to a source that will 'explain' it for them, or simply admit that they don't understand it either.

Now, it could be that the issue is that I tend to get into these types of discussions in more casual forums with people that do not often engage in debate, and so hopefully, this being a debate-centric website, that won't be an issue here. I'm not saying that it cannot be done, but simply that I have not yet seen it done.

To those that believe the classical idea of Trinity (upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b3/Shield-Trinity-Scutum-Fidei-English.svg/1138px-Shield-Trinity-Scutum-Fidei-English.svg.png), can you explain it in a way that is easily understandable and not heretical?

What Will Jesus Look like When he Comes Back?

Will he be black Jesus, asian Jesus, the OG Jesus (What a Middle Eastern Jewish person would look like 2000 years ago), orrr Aryan Jesus?

I mean that Jews have always put man above God, in recognition that all the notions about any god are man made.

Jesus even asks in scriptures, have ye forgotten that ye are gods?

I do not think any Jew has ever been fool enough as to believe in talking serpents and donkeys.

Why Christianity is a failure and Christians in denial?

Jesus never claimed he was God. He said he was sent by God to save the Jews. But we know that failed. Jesus said he would return 2000 years ago. But that never happened.

During his life on earth Jesus was called a liar and a lunatic.

1. Liar.

John 10:33 "We are not stoning You for any good work," said the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because You, who are a man, declare Yourself to be God."

2. Lunatic.0

Mark 3:21 When His family heard about this, they went out to take custody of Him, saying, "He is out of His mind."

John 10:20 Many of them said, "He is demon-possessed and insane. Why would you listen to Him?"

3. They demanded Jesus be crucified.

Luke 23:21 but they kept shouting, "Crucify Him! Crucify Him!"

4. The Romans crucified Jesus.

John 19:23 When they crucified him, the Roman soldiers took his clothes and divided them up four ways, to each soldier a fourth. But his robe was seamless, a single piece of weaving ...

5. Even Jesus blamed God for forsaking him on the cross.

Matthew 27:46 About the ninth hour, Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" which means, "My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me?"

6. Jesus's call to his disciples failed too. No one followed Jesus or joined him in his crucifixion. Therefore no one was saved or worthy of Jesus.

Matthew 10:38 and anyone who does not take up his cross and follow Me is not worthy of Me.

7. His discipiles all tried to save their own lives and did not want to lose it for Jesus.

Luke 17:33 Whoever tries to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life will preserve it.

8. The one time offer for salvation ended with Jesus. Jesus has not returned to make a similar offer to future generations. But God has sent another prophet Mohammad in his place.

9. Jesus spoke to his generation. Repeating his words does not carry the same promise. His promise ended on the cross.

Matthew 27:46 About the ninth hour, Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" which means, "My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me?"

10. Even the Pope declared the cross was a failure of God.

Pope Francis said during his whirlwind U.S. tour. "And if at times <ins><strong>OUR EFFORTS AND WORKS SEEM TO FAIL AND PRODUCE NO FRUIT, we need to REMEMBERthat <ins><strong>WE ARE FOLLOWERS OF JESUS ... and <ins><strong>His LIFE</strong></ins>, humanly speaking, ENDED IN FAILURE, THE FAILURE OF THE CROSS"

When you don"t understand something, when desperation hits you then look at the <ins><strong>CROSS. THAT IS THE GREAT FAILURE OF GOD, THAT IS THE DESTRUCTION OF GOD, AND IT'S A CHALLENGE TO OUR FAITH

If there is no resurrection of Jesus then Jesus did not die for anyone's sins on the cross. Dattaswami said Jesus was saved by his disciples and smuggled to India where he lived to 85 years in Kashmir.

Dattaswami believes Jesus's resurrection never happened.

Reply: Bhavishya purana"

Dattaswami wrote: When Jesus was crucified based on simple emotional slogans. His death was not justified and therefore He rose and walked out. When the soldier was leaving finally, He pierced the stomach of Jesus with his weapon. Then blood came out. Blood will not come out from dead body. Jesus was alive and He was brought down by His disciples. Then He was kept in the cave. He knew the protection of His life. He walked into India and met the king Salivahana and talked with him. His conversation was recorded in "Bhavishaya Purana" of Vyasa. This scripture speaks about the future. Vyasa wrote this long back.

The verse in scripture is "Esa Putram Cha Mam Viddhi, Kumari Garbha Sambhavam, Mlechcha Dharmasya Vaktaram"', Which means "I am the son of the father of heaven. I was born to unmarried girl. I preached spirituality to Muslims. ' Thus spoke Jesus to Salivahana. He stayed in India till He attained the age of eighty-five years and died in Kashmir. You can find the buried tomb of Jesus there even today. On the tomb it is written "Jesus" in Hebrew language.

Jesus disappeared from home at the age of 16 years. He returned at the age of 30 years. He was crucified in 32nd year. From 16th year He was in Himalayas in the association of several sages. He was a good Sanskrit scholar. He studied all the Hindu philosophy and this is the reason why the Christian and Hindu philosophies are almost similar in concepts.

Harikrish biblical scholar and spiritual leader.

Guided by the Holy Spirit the first church which is the Roman Catholic Church was built. Today we have 30, 000 denominations of Christians. Most of them are in opposition to the teachings of the Catholic Church which was inspired by the Holy Spirit.

Christians say Jesus was without sin and therefore the perfect human sacrifice. But scriptures paint a very different story.

Scriptures show Jesus broke all the 10 commandments. These ironies exist in the Bible.

The 10 commandments say.

1. You shall have no other gods before Me.

2. You shall not make idols.

3. You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.

4. Remember the Sabbath day, To keep it holy.

5. Honour your father and your mother.

6. You shall not murder.

7. You shall not commit adultery.

8. You shall not steal.

9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

10. You shall not covet.

Jesus broke many of the commandments, If not all!

1. You shall have no other gods before Me.

Jesus tried to claim he was God.

John 10:33 "We are not stoning You for any good work, " said the Jews, "but for blasphemy, Because You, Who are a man, Declare Yourself to be God. "

2. You shall not make idols.

Jesus made a covenant with a cup.

Luke 22:20 In the same way, After supper He took the cup, Saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood, Which is poured out for you.

3. You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.

Jesus said every word he spoke came from God. Unless God too was as incoherent as Jesus. God in the OT never spoke in parables. His orders were clear and direct.

Luke 18:34 But the disciples did not understand any of these things. The meaning was hidden from them, And they did not comprehend what He was saying.

4. Remember the Sabbath day, To keep it holy.

Jesus broke the sabbath.

Pharisees accused Him of breaking the Sabbath (Matthew 12:10; Mark 3:2, John 9:14-16).

5. Honour your father and your mother.

Jesus tried to destroy the traditional family.

Matthew 10:35 For I have come to turn ""a man against his father, A daughter against her mother, A daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law"

6. You shall not murder.

Jesus murdered the truth.

Matthew 15:24 He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. "

Yet he spent his entire ministry condemning the very people he was sent to save.

7. You shall not commit adultery.

Jesus was unfaithful to God and his disciples. He left them to die even though he was given all authority over heaven and earth.

Matthew 28:18 Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.

8. You shall not steal.

Jesus stole the words of the prophets before him and claimed they pointed to him.

Luke 24:27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, He explained to them what was written in all the Scriptures about Himself.

Then Jesus took them through the writings of Moses and all the prophets, Explaining from all the Scriptures. . . And Jesus explained to them what was said about himself in all the Scriptures, Beginning with the books of Moses and the writings of all the prophets".

9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

Jesus accused God of betraying and forsaking him on the cross.

Matthew 27:46 About the ninth hour, Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, Lema sabachthani? " which means, "My God, My God, Why have you forsaken Me? "

10. You shall not covet.

Jesus suffered from a messiah complex and coveted the title messiah/Christ/Anointed one.

John 17:1 After Jesus said this, He looked toward heaven and prayed:

"Father, The hour has come. Glorify your Son, That your Son may glorify you. 2 For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. 3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, The only true God, And Jesus Christ, Whom you have sent. 4 I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. 5 And now, Father, Glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

Scriptures tell us Jesus was tried, Convicted and crucified for his blasphemous lies and lunacy. . . . By the Romans. But the confusion continues.

Christians have waited for 2000 years for Jesus's return as he had promised without any success.

Preterists claims Christisns got it wrong, That Jesus returned in 70 AD.

Jehovah's Witnesses claim Jesus returned in 1874 or maybe 1914.

Others say Jesus could be the next thief who robs your house.

Revelation 16:15, Matthew 24:43, 1 Thessalonians 5:2, 1 Thessalonians 5:4, 2 Peter 3:10 ESV - ("Behold, I am coming like a thief in the night! )

Harikrish biblical scholar and spiritual leader.

No, I hadn’t forgotten that Jesus was a Jew and it was Paul who preached to the gentiles.

 

Regarding the Jews crucifying Jesus, crucifixion was a Roman method of execution, the Jews stoned people to death. From what we now know about Pontius Pilate, he was a cruel and ruthless individual and if Jesus was claiming to be the Messiah he would have had no hesitation in executing him for treason.

 

The reason the Jews didn’t covert to Christianity is that their faith was in Judaism, people’s religious faith tends to be strong and they tend not to change it, that  makes them difficult to convert.

Religious people: Is it your duty to convince others that your god is real, and if yes, WHY?

Honestly, both in DDO and in DART, a clog of debates such as "god exists" has been common enough that upon seeing it makes me snort.

Atheists can live their lives without, say, a god, and they would live fine. So would religious people praying to their god every day and living fine.

Why do these clashes exist and are as common as they are right now? Why are so many topics of debates and forums centred upon whether god exists or not?

Is it perhaps a duty in religion, or in some parts of a religious groups, to convince others that your god is real?

Christian nationalism holds that the US was founded on "Judeo-Christian" principles. "Judeo-Christian" seems nonsensical to begin with (Judaism is Judaism because it rejects Christianity and vice versa). Regardless, principles in the holy texts of Judaism and Christianity are so distinctly different than those embodied in America's founding documents that to suggest a link between them is to grossly misrepresent America.

Rather than waste time defending against arguments that might not be used, I leave it to proponents to define "Judeo-Christian principles" and provide arguments. Perhaps, each respondent may limit themselves to one or two of their best arguments, and let's do our best to keep it civil folks!

From the Scriptures and the actions and words of Jesus we can conclude Jesus was an Atheist.

Atheist definition: a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.

Jesus mocked the religious leaders of his time. He called them vipers and scums just like Atheist mocked the believers today.

Matthew 23:33 "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?

Jesus called his body a temple and drove people out of the real temple of worship.

John 2:19 Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days."

Matthew 21:12 Jesus entered the temple courts and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves.

Jesus claimed he had all authority over his alien Kingdom and earth. Yet he stood idly by as the Romans destroyed the holy city and sanctuary.

He believed anybody who ate his flesh and drank his blood would have eternal life. Who needs a God if Jewish meat is kosher and gets you eternal life in the hereafter.

John 6:54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.

Jesus said he was from an alien world.

John 8:23 I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.

John 18:36 Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place."

Jesus was despised like most atheists were during his time. He comforted them.

Isaiah 53:3 He was despised and rejected by mankind, a man of suffering, and familiar with pain. Like one from whom people hide their faces he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.

Luke 6:22 Blessed are you when people hate you, when they exclude you and insult you and reject your name as evil, because of the Son of Man.

Jesus on the cross mocked the God of the Bible.

Matthew 27:46 About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" (which means "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?").

Were those last words of Jesus that motivated the Pope to declare Jesus was a failure of the cross?

Pope declared:"And if at times our efforts and works seem to fail and not produce fruit, we need to remember that we are followers of Jesus Christ and his life, humanly speaking, ended in failure, the failure of the cross."

Jesus called God his father throughout his life. By doing this he reduced God to a rapist and the cause of his illegitimate bastard status.

He even blamed God for his alcoholism like God willed him to drink the water he turned into alcohol.

Matthew 26:39 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will."

He was not directing people to God, he was forcing believers to chose between family or him.

Matthew 10:34 "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

35 For I have come to turn ""a man against his father, a daughter against her mother,

a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law"

36 a man"s enemies will be the members of his own household."[c]

37 "Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

38 Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me.

But if Jesus was an atheist as scriptures suggests who went against the religious leaders of his time by denouncing their beliefs. Then why do Christians worship an atheist Jesus?

By worshipping the atheist Jesus they believe they are turning him into God by their exhaltation.

If the Pope did not remind Christians that Jesus was a failure of the cross we would be swamped by Christians on DDO. But we find DDO is full of happy atheists who take delight in the fact that Jesus was an atheist......Harikrish.

If you define performing as just living my life, I could see that.

Polytheist-Witch:

https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/7634/post-links/338836

Already busted yourself, dumbass.

I can see that you are not related to Einstein.

Still, Einstein felt a deep bond with the Jewish people, one that transcended religion as well as the anti-Semitism that Nazis and their sympathizers leveled against him..

Despite his differences with fellow Jews in their practices and beliefs, Gimbel says, Einstein recognized that the relationship he had with Jewish friends was fundamentally different from the one he had with non-Jewish friends. He came to believe that whatever their beliefs, Jews shared common traits.

The first trait Einstein identified as common among Jews was an ability to face the world with a sense of awe and joy, whether the Jews in question were rapturous Hasidim or secular physicists.

The second trait Einstein identified was a sense of social justice. As he wrote in 1938, “The bond that has united the Jews for thousands of years and that unites them today is, above all, the democratic ideal of social justice coupled with the ideal of mutual aid and tolerance among all men.”

I am related to Einstein through the Koch family.

I think Stephen will get it.

Polytheist-Witch: There's nothing atheists love more than throwing sexual assault and rape at women they don't agree with it. Never ceases to disappoint me that it's the go-to for white male pigs. I'm surprised unlike the other atheists you didn't bring my kids into it. Seems atheism and the site is rather friendly to pedophilia jokes.

Polytheist-Witch: There's nothing atheists love more than throwing sexual assault and rape at women they don't agree with it. Never ceases to disappoint me that it's the go-to for white male pigs. I'm surprised unlike the other atheists you didn't bring my kids into it. Seems atheism and the site is rather friendly to pedophilia jokes.

Polytheist-Witch: The mods know it too and they simply allow him to keep spewing his hatred because you know it's directed at us.

The smartest Jew once wrote, "The word 'God' is for me nothing but the expression and product of human weaknesses; the Bible a collection of honorable but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish," 

Does the Bible say if strippers are witches?

Well stated.

Miss Tradesecret, as a woman shown herewith: https://ibb.co/NFcsLgy that goes directly against Jesus’ words in 1 Timothy 2:12, whereas she is not to teach and in being SILENT towards men!

YOUR REVEALING QUOTE ONCE AGAIN: "While I hold no love for witches and I think in our century we have a false view of history and ACTUALLY  of what occurred back then. In other words, I think most of the history we talk about now is exaggerated and nonsense."  

You have to have no love for witches, even in you being a pseudo-christian woman!  This is because of the biblical FACT that you are to follow what the inspired words of Jesus state herewith:  “A man or a woman who is a medium or a necromancer shall surely be put to death. They shall be stoned with stones; their blood shall be upon them.” (Leviticus 20:27). 

"So Saul died for his breach of faith. He broke faith with the Lord in that he did not keep the command of the Lord, and also consulted a medium, seeking guidance. He did not seek guidance from the Lord. Therefore the Lord put him to death and turned the kingdom over to David the son of Jesse." (1 Chronicles 10:13-14)

YOUR REWRITE OF THE BIBLE QUOTE:   " ... which is that covenantal death is not to be automatically equated with a physical death."

https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/7337/post-links/319116

The passages above are PHYSICAL DEATHS in nature in stoning, their blood shall be upon them, and where Jesus killed Saul, and not your comical and wishful thinking of your laughable "covenantal deaths"  like you proffer to try and cover up Jesus' exact words of killing His creation, is it dear? NO, they are not!

Miss Tradesecret, your ungodly presence within this forum is excused for now.

NEXT PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN WOMAN THAT TRIES IN VAIN TO REWRITE THE SCRIPTURES LIKE MISS TRADESECRET WILL BE ...?

Pope Francis kisses Ukrainian flag as he denounces 'massacre of Bucha’ as shown in the link below:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pope-francis-kisses-ukrainian-flag-as-he-denounces-massacre-of-bucha-133224758.html

“He told the audience he had received a Ukrainian flag from the “martyred city” of Bucha the day before. The pope then held up a war-stained flag before folding it and kissing it. BUT WAIT!  A group of "children" who had fled the war in Ukraine joined him on the podium! “These "children" had to flee and come to a strange land,” Francis said. “This is one of the fruits of war. Let’s not forget them, and let’s not forget the Ukrainian people.”

BUT, WHAT WAS NERVE RACKING IS THE FACT THAT THE POPE HAD INNOCENT CHILDREN STANDING WITHIN “TOUCHING DISTANCE” OF HIM AS SHOWN IN THE LINK BELOW:

https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME972AT

As we should all be aware, the Catholic church still is in the press regarding pedophile priests, and the history going back to the late 1960’s where under Bishop RATzinger, they ungodly hid the fact that their priests were buggering innocent children, and once caught, they were moved to another church and state in the USA in a “hush, hush” manner which is BLASPHEME to Jesus the Christ!

At least this Catholic priest is telling the truth about ungodly pedophilia within the Catholic church:  https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME971QU

Here is the irony of all ironies, as Pope John spills the beans in this link relating to pedophilia in the Catholic church: https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME971FF

QUESTION; who wants to be a hell bound Catholic whose church hid pedophile priests, and spent 6 BILLION DOLLARS of their flocks money from collection plates on Sunday mornings to pay over time the reparations to the parents of the buggered kids by smelly old priests, and the ramification of these poor kids needing psychiatric help in the aftermath, raise your hands!  :(

Jews don’t seek convert people because Judaism is not a missionary faith; the main reason for this is down to their theology which doesn’t necessitate the need to be Jewish in order to enter Heaven. This is from the Talmud:

 

“The righteous of the nations have a share in Olam Ha-Ba (heaven).”

 

This is at odds with the Christian doctrine that only by accepting Jesus as your saviour can you enter the Kingdom of Heaven and the grim alternative, that if you don’t accept Jesus you will suffer internal damnation. Therefore it is the duty of a Christian to go out and convert all non believers to Christianity. It is a teaching that has lead to some of the worst acts of intolerance, not only towards non Christians but towards those Christians whose faith was deemed heretical.

For sure, moods alter relative to endocrinal function and processes.

And hysteria would certainly be an archaic diagnosis.

But try telling that to a militant feminist.

Though it could be said that all unruly behaviour is the manifestation of internal processes relative to procreation and survival.

Male aggression for instance.

So? What's your point, other than if it were proven to be true it would go against everything taught about the "abomination" of homosexuality in the Bible  for which "the lord " commands the death sentence? And the word is homosexual, not "gay".

I think your link says it all in its very first sentence:

'Over the last several centuries, people have made Jesus what they wanted Him to be".

https://apologeticspress.org/was-jesus-gayan-examination-of-the-secret-gospel-of-mark-1431/

Regardless of what JW , you or the reverend Tradsecret have to say, Jesus makes it quite plain that he returned the same way he went, as a flesh and blood fully grown human with wounded flesh . 

The Christian understanding of God is that God is ONE. He is Trinity. ONE God, yet THREE persons.  Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. 

Furthermore, I have explained to you before that Jesus NEVER blamed God for his crucifixion. In fact the Crucifixion was planned before the beginning of the world and the THREE persons of the TRINITY were in agreement with it.

Also we know that Jesus knows the Scriptures. 

clearly - at least in my view - illustrates he knows he is an instrument of prophecy - and is expressly declaring that even as he died on the cross.

For sure.

Witchery is just madey up shit, like all the other madey up shit.

And the crowds used to love the pseudo erotic frisson of a good burning.

Westerners pretend not to be interested in that sort of stuff these days.

But certain people away out East somewhere, still get a buzz from a good public execution.

Jesus , it has been agreed by some Christians  that Jesus resurrected as flesh and blood man.

So a recent question I have posed is- how did Jesus enter the closed and locked room?

"On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jewish leaders, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!”John 20:19 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+20%3A19-20&version=NIV

 How did he do it?

No one makes Jesus God.  Jesus is and always has been God. He is the Son from eternity.

Christianity teaches that Jesus came when the fullness of time had come. What made the days of Jesus most suitable for his advent?

It depends how you interpret the term "coming"?

The Lord comes - or is coming is an OT reference to judgment.  Not necessarily to a literal appearance or return.

Many passages in the OT and the NT refer to the Lord's coming - in judgment and there are many other passages that refer to the return of the Lord Jesus.

The two are not necessarily the same thing. And when the two are conflated - then things get messy.

The same as when people talk of the last days or the latter days or the last Day.

What particular day are they are talking of - in relation to what particular event or covenant?

I suggest that Jesus' judgment - his coming occurred in AD 70 - at the destruction of Jerusalem. But I would not relate that to his second coming - which is talking about his return to collect his bride.

The covenant between Israel and God - came to an end definitely at AD 70.  It started to end at Jesus' death.  Between Jesus' death and the destruction of Jerusalem is approximately 40 years - one generation.  This is what Jesus referred to in Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 22.  Jesus came - in judgment at Jerusalem within that generation - just as he predicted.

It was not a literal coming - it was a judgment coming - and is similar to nature to every time the Lord came in the OT with many judgments over many nations including Israel.

I think his second return however will not occur yet. I think he is going to return to collect his bride. The church. When she is fully grown up and mature - and ready to be a wife. At the moment the church acts like a petulant child or teenager.  She doesn't know whether she is Arthur or Martha.  She is all over the place - like a scatty teenager in puberty.  Not yet ready to meet her Lord and Husband.

Throne of God.

Does this imply God has a butt?

Polytheist-Witch: I don't know, why are you a spam posting anti semite?

I’m not sure of the point you are making regarding the Jews difficult interpretation of the Old Testament because it was written in Hebrew, as that was and still is the language of the Jewish people and they wrote the Old Testament.

I think the reason for the high number of Christians is that Christianity actively seeks converts and has often taken harsh measures against those who were unwilling to convert. Judaism on the other hand does not seek out converts.

Yes you are. 

FM! Is that all you are good for is repetitive posting causing others to remind you what they too have ALREADY said. I have more or less agreed with your comment you clown.😂😂

Your claim was that virgin births are rare because of contraceptives, anal sex, and homosexuality. Substantiatiation is not found for this claim in the Bible or anywhere else. 

I am about ten days out from the closing of the voting period for my debate on God's existence - "There is no God." If you have time to read through it and vote on it, that would be much appreciated!

There is no God. (debateart.

Polytheist-Witch: So am I. I don't worship gods I think are shitty personalities. 

To be fair the Gospel teachings of Jesus are mostly benign but Christians will also reference the Old Testament to reinforce their doctrines, these are not always so benign.

 

2 Chronicles 15:12-13

 

12 And they entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and with all their soul, 13 but that whoever would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, should be put to death, whether young or old, man or woman.

 

Exodus 22:18

 

18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

Some christians love to use the Bible to condemn the LGBT community. There are people who think that gay people are worse than everyone else - despite mainstream theology stating that all humans are born sinners by default. Apart from the logical fallacies at play, the behavior born from these views are outright unethical. The result of Christian demonization is often unjustifiable social sanctions, hate and stigma leading to depression and suicide among gays and others.  

Islam does not irk me. I just happen to think it is wrong and dangerous and unhelpful for those who want truth and salvation. Islam in that sense is a religion that denies the deity of Christ. It denies his resurrection. It denies the Trinity. Each of which are clearly expressed in the Bible. 

Why hasn't a "god" ever healed an amputee?

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