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@MAV99
My statement does not imply sameness between two persons,So god is a spirit, he appears to us as the Holy Spirit, he also appeared to us as Jesus."He" is singular. You are using it here to mean The Holy Spirit and Jesus. Just like the Modalists did. Using it as the antecedent of "God" makes it ambiguous based on a true understanding of the notion of the Trinity. You need to be more clear.
He stands for masculinity/male. God is portrayed using masculine pronouns. Jesus is also a man and likewise so is the Holy Ghost.
God is referred to using masculine pronouns in Catholic teaching and practice. Though Church teaching, in line with its Doctors, holds that God has no literal sex because God possesses no body but is referred to using masculine pronouns in the Bible.
Is the Holy Spirit referred to as he in the Bible?
Why Did Jesus Call the Holy Spirit "He"? -
In the New Testament, yes… it's true–according to some translations of the Greek–Jesus is seemingly calling the Spirit a “He.” But, we must remember… this is a translation. Scripture, at least as far as New Testament translations go, refer to the Holy Spirit as “he.” Most translations do.
The Bible says Jesus is unique in both His person and His purpose. He wasn't just some spiritual individual during His time on earth; He was both God's Son (John 3:16) and God Himself—God in human flesh (1 Timothy 3:16). Yes, He was fully man, but He was also fully God (Colossians 2:9). Jesus claimed to be God.
If you prefer instead:
There is more than one. “They are the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit. These three are one.”
1 John 5:7
There are three in heaven who prove it is true. They are the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit. These three are one
This is basic grammar and use of words. This is why the Catholic Church is so particular about what words you use.
God is referred to using masculine pronouns in Catholic teaching and practice. Though Church teaching, in line with its Doctors, holds that God has no literal sex because God possesses no body but is referred to using masculine pronouns in the Bible.
Is the Holy Spirit referred to as he in the Bible?
Why Did Jesus Call the Holy Spirit "He"? -
In the New Testament, yes… it's true–according to some translations of the Greek–Jesus is seemingly calling the Spirit a “He.” But, we must remember… this is a translation. Scripture, at least as far as New Testament translations go, refer to the Holy Spirit as “he.” Most translations do.
The Bible says Jesus is unique in both His person and His purpose. He wasn't just some spiritual individual during His time on earth; He was both God's Son (John 3:16) and God Himself—God in human flesh (1 Timothy 3:16). Yes, He was fully man, but He was also fully God (Colossians 2:9). Jesus claimed to be God.
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@Sidewalker
Best part of turkey dinner is the turkey sandwiches afterward, had the sandwiches with the family.
Good to hear that family got some Turkey too.
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@Sidewalker
Turkey dinner with friends Christmas Eve, then spent the day with one of our sons and his family, the other two sons live in other states. So, friends and family.How about you JoeBob, how did you spend it?
Are you saying you are in good company?
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@Sidewalker
Turkey dinner with friends Christmas Eve, then spent the day with one of our sons and his family, the other two sons live in other states. So, friends and family.How about you JoeBob, how did you spend it?
No turkey with family, only with friends?
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@Sidewalker
A secret attraction or defensive loathing? Homophobia, defense, and implicit cognition"Psychodynamic conceptions of homophobia suggest that homophobics may have a latent attraction to gay sex."
Their homophobia works as a defence mechanism. No treatment is necessary.
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@Sidewalker
Shila, Mall, and Stephen,I get it now, and no, I won't go out with you, try dating each other.Is homophobia associated with homosexual arousal?
So it is natural to be aroused by heterosexual and female homosexual videos.
Both groups exhibited increases in penile circumference to the heterosexual and female homosexual videos. Only the homophobic men showed an increase in penile erection to male homosexual stimuli. The groups did not differ in aggression. Homophobia is apparently associated with homosexual arousal that the homophobic individual is either unaware of or denies.
But homophobia is a fear of being aroused by homosexual stimuli.
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@sadolite
Who cares? His private life is his. He isn't holding anyone hostage. The world is filled with shitty relationships. Why would his shitty relationships be any different than anyone else's shitty relationships?
Elon Musk picked on his children to get even for the mothers leaving him.
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@sadolite
Elon Musk is still a father, you cant please everyone. His refusal to pander to one child out of 12 with brainwashed delusions doesn't make him cruel.
No one knows how badly he treated his three wives for them to all leave him.
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@sadolite
My cloths and my truck are most important. I cant live or earn a living without them.
You can’t deliver items without a truck or naked.
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@sadolite
I celebrate Christmas because it is part of my countries coulure and tradition. A country without couture and tradition is just a bunch of people with nothing in common.
How do you know your country’s culture when you cannot even name your country in your profile?
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@Lemming
Sorry to hear that,Do you want to talk about it?
Mall has more Unknowns in his life than most members. He won’t know where to start.
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@Mall
You don't need a holiday in the name of a lie , fairy tale , etc.
Christmas was traditionally a Christian festival celebrating the birth of Jesus, but in the early 20th century, it also became a secular family holiday, observed by Christians and non-Christians alike
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@Mall
I don't believe you're grasping. You will not find the words "there is one spirit " in 1 John
There is more than one. “They are the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit. These three are one.”
1 John 5:7
There are three in heaven who prove it is true. They are the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit. These three are one
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@Mall
Are you ready to accept?
I haven’t received any notification yet.
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@Mall
If you're asking about proving homosexuality being an abomination to God of scripture , there's no other way to prove that but to show it in scripture.
You were the first to raise the question of homosexuality in this discussion on “Muslim protest Christmas in Germany and commits acts of terror”.
Read your post:
-->@WyItedYou are against homosexuality, is that right?
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@Mall
For central organizational purposes. We can dispute in the forum. It's more manageable in the debate arena instead of keeping track of every activity notice to respond.
But you mentioned it here first.
Ok I'm going to invite you to this topic. Check your activities notification.
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@MAV99
For there is one person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Spirit. But the Godhead of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit is all one. … So the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God.Yes, I read that. I agree with that. It is the following statement I disagree with because of what it means:So god is a spirit, he appears to us as the Holy Spirit, he also appeared to us as Jesus.You here are using language that implies sameness between two persons. You have to be careful. It would be better to say it as "God is a Trinity of three Persons. God the Son became Man and The Holy Spirit is the Comforter or Paraclete."
My statement does not imply sameness between two persons,
So god is a spirit, he appears to us as the Holy Spirit, he also appeared to us as Jesus.
There cannot be a bigger difference between appearing as the Holy Spirit and appearing as Jesus. One is the spirit and the other Jesus the human incarnation of God.
Like I said, I do not think you intend heresy. But I think you are using language that is ambiguous and leads one to think that there is a sameness between two persons. That is why I brought in Modalism. That is the type of language they used when discussing this. You have to be careful how you say it.
How is calling one the Holy Spirit and the other Jesus implying sameness between two persons. Even the language used implies they are different in every way.
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@MAV99
I agree they are God.I never denied that.I deny that each person is the same one person because that is what "God the Father appears to us as the Holy Spirit" means, which is what you said. To say that is to say that they are the same person which is wrong.One God, 3 distinct Persons. Each Person is not the other.
It was first posted to you, there are three persons in both examples in post#15. How did you miss it?
Repeated here from post#15
For there is one person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Spirit. But the Godhead of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit is all one. … So the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God.
1 John 5:7
There are three in heaven who prove it is true. They are the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit. These three are one
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@Best.Korea
But you agree both sides think the other is going to hell. That is natural to think between a Muslim and ChristianI am not a Christian. I am a polytheist.
You are closer to hell than we thought.
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@Jesusistheway
It's not necessarily my argument, but here is a really good commentary on John 1:1-5 which points out the Triune nature of God, in the Bible.
So god is a spirit, he appears to us as the Holy Spirit, he also appeared to us as Jesus. But the three are one.
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@Mall
You don't need a holiday to associate with family. A lot of you get this backwards.
In our busy schedules, most people need holidays to associate with family.
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@FLRW
In 1960 there were 3 billion people in the world and in 2023 there are 8 billion people in the world.
Only about 40% of the words' countries have at least reasonably well-working, free-market capitalism because it is difficult to achieve. Another 40% are socialist countries.
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@Best.Korea
But do they know?I dont know that either
But you agree both sides think the other is going to hell. That is natural to think between a Muslim and Christian.
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@FLRW
Hey, I never married a foreign sex worker!
You retired before you could.
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Above HERE> #86 you accused me of "discussing common known things" and to "keep the bible out of such discussions" adding that I shouldn't just "regurgitate the common known things".I have asked you TWICE now to tell me, how would you have proven that god hates and despises homosexuality and finds it an "abomination" without referring to the actual scriptures and the actual verses in the BIBLE!? Please don't ignore me again.
Mall makes it clear he us talking about Sidewalker and Stephen.
Mall wrote: “This individual side walker has always been immature.
I asked a yes or no question, does the scripture support homosexuality?
I think the person knows this person is caught in a lie saying to support homosexuality because the Bible is not for judging others as if homosexuality makes it automatically approved by that . You have to judge in order to be able to judge what is a sin which homosexuality is according to the scripture.
I tell this person like the individual going by the name of Stephen, keep the Bible out of this because you're ignorant of many other things in it. Don't just regurgitate the common known things. You really err(error) not knowing the scriptures as the scripture say as well.”
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@MAV99
I never said they were not God. I said they are not each other.St. Thomas is very clear in De Trinitate. The term "God" refers to the Nature of the Trinity and is a term applied to the three Persons, who are distinct persons, meaning not each other.
There is only one God
If each Person of the Trinity is distinct and yet fully God, then should we conclude that there is more than one God? Obviously we cannot, for Scripture is clear that there is only one God: “There is no other God besides me, a righteous God and a Savior; there is none besides me. Turn to me and be saved, all the ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other” (Isaiah 45:21-22; see also 44:6-8; Exodus 15:11; Deuteronomy 4:35; 6:4-5; 32:39; 1 Samuel 2:2; 1 Kings 8:60).
Having seen that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are distinct Persons, that they are each fully God, and that there is nonetheless only one God, we must conclude that all three Persons are the same God. In other words, there is one God who exists as three distinct Persons.
If there is one passage which most clearly brings all of this together, it is Matthew 28:19: “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.” First, notice that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinguished as distinct Persons. We baptize into the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.
Second, notice that each Person must be deity because they are all placed on the same level. In fact, would Jesus have us baptize in the name of a mere creature? Surely not. Therefore each of the Persons into whose name we are to be baptized must be deity.
Third, notice that although the three divine Persons are distinct, we are baptized into their name (singular), not names (plural). The three Persons are distinct, yet only constitute one name. This can only be if they share one essence.
Have you actually studied this? To say God the Father is God the Holy Spirit is explicitly condemned. The Church Fathers condemned it.
Is it correct to say God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit?
"The Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit" are not names for different parts of God, but one name for God because three persons exist in God as one entity. They cannot be separate from one another.
What you assert is called modalism. It was condemned in the early Church by the Church Fathers.
What is modalism in Christianity?
Modalism teaches that only one God exists and that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are different modes or manifestations of the one God. It is still one god in different manifestations.
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@Best.Korea
How do you celebrate each others presence knowing both think the other is going to hell?I dont know
But do they know?
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@MAV99
Is God the Father God the Holy Spirit?The answer to this no, as clearly stated by St. Thomas Aquinas, The Council of Trent and the Magisterium of the Church.The First Person of the Trinity is not The Third Person of the Trinity.
That is not what St. Thomas Aquinas teaches.
In fact he teaches the opposite and that these are not three but one God.
St. Thomas Aquinas begins his teaching on the Trinity by asserting that "God is Father, God is Son, and God is Holy Spirit," and that these are not three but one God. Further, God's Word is also part of his existence. Aquinas calls speech the offspring of the intellect, which he conceives as its father.
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@Best.Korea
Do you see your parents on Christmas?Yes, but they dont really share the Christmas spirit. Maybe because they are muslims.
How do you celebrate each others presence knowing both think the other is going to hell?
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@MAV99
You asked: Is Father God the Holy Spirit?
1. Is God the Father God the Holy Spirit?
Or
2. Is God the Father a spirit and holy?
All three should be yes because they are asking the same thing.
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@Best.Korea
I thought that was your daily routine.It is. But on Christmas, I always get excited
Do you see your parents on Christmas?
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@FLRW
Ok, ok I do wear lifts in my shoes like Trump.
You imitate Trump in many ways.
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@Best.Korea
What are you doing for the holidays this year?Play games, listen to music, maybe watch a movie. I really have great wish to watch Dragon Wars D war movie. It’s a bit old movie, but very good.
I thought that was your daily routine.
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@FLRW
Albert Einstein, Boris Podolsky and Nathan Rosen pointed out an apparent problem with quantum entanglement in 1935 that prompted Einstein to describe quantum entanglement as 'spooky action at a distance.
The Einstein–Podolsky–Rosen (EPR) paradox is a thought experiment proposed by physicists Albert Einstein, Boris Podolsky and Nathan Rosen, which argues that the description of physical reality provided by quantum mechanics is incomplete.
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@Canadaparrot
It's a patriot-less economic zone. People come and go easily. There are no loyalties.
What is the most patriotic Canadian song?
Anthems and Other Patriotic Songs
O Canada! - The National Anthem of Canada.
God Save the King - The Royal Anthem of Canada.
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@Mall
"It does!"Finally.And 1 John 5 doesn't say it but you're on the right track.
It does!!
1 John 5:7
There are three in heaven who prove it is true. They are the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit. These three are one.
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@Mall
There's no debate in that if that was the case, duh.
Christianity and the Bible are heavily against Homosexuality.
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@Mall
Ok I'm going to invite you to this topic. Check your activities notification.
Why didn’t you just post it here?
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@Mall
Does the scripture say there's one spirit?
It does!
1 John 5:7
There are three in heaven who prove it is true. They are the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit. These three are one.
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@FLRW
I am not fat. I am 6 feet tall and I weigh 180. Wink, wink.
Correction.
You feel fine while America sinks even further with Trumpet and MAFiA{ Make America Fat Again } is Trumpet and MAFiA.
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@FLRW
Albert Einstein, Boris Podolsky and Nathan Rosen pointed out an apparent problem with quantum entanglement in 1935 that prompted Einstein to describe quantum entanglement as 'spooky action at a distance.
What was Einstein's problem with quantum mechanics?
Einstein saw Quantum Theory as a means to describe Nature on an atomic level, but he doubted that it upheld "a useful basis for the whole of physics." He thought that describing reality required firm predictions followed by direct observations.
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@FLRW
It's the end of the USA as we know it, and I feel fine!
You feel fine being fat again while America sinks even further with Trumpet and MAFiA{ Make America Fat Again } is Trumpet and MAFiA.
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@Canadaparrot
You are not allowed to post in forum games.
How would you know, you just joined a few days ago?
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@Best.Korea
Other passage in the New Testament are clear on this issue as well. Romans 1:18-32and 1 Corinthians 6:1-20are good places to start.They are not good places to start, as those arent words of Jesus, so irrelevant to Jesus's words.
Its prove both the Old and New Testament condemned homosexuality.
Jesus condemned “all” sexual activity outside of marriage between a man and woman when He said, “Out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications…these defile a man” (Matthew 15:19). Jesus was implying that all sexual activity outside of marriage between a man and a woman is harmful and immoral. The word “fornication” in the Greek is porneia; where the word “pornography” comes from. We cannot say, “But I was born this way,” because we were all born to lie, cheat, lust, and deceive, but this doesn’t make it right...it makes us sinful and in need of a Savior.
An argument cannot be based solely on silence. To suggest that Jesus approved of homosexuality simply because He did not use the term “homosexual,” is to imply that He approved of necrophilia, pedophilia, incest, and bestiality. But, of course, we know better.
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@Canadaparrot
Canada is really a borderless and multicultural economic zone with little patriotism.
Why is Canada so patriotic?
Since the 1960s, most proponents of Canadian nationalism have advocated a civic nationalism due to Canada's cultural diversity that specifically has sought to equalize citizenship,
Canadian Culture
Honesty
Tolerance
Fairness
Unity in diversity
Modesty
Informality
Sensitivity
Known as ‘the just society’, Canada’s culture is underpinned by its tolerance, respect and community-orientation. Canadians are generally individualistic, yet they also emphasise and value everyone’s contribution to their community. This has translated into the nation’s role on the global stage; it has been involved in all of the UN’s peacekeeping missions and is a big donor to foreign aid. In many ways, Canada leads by example – something its people take pride in. Canadians tend to see themselves as reasonable and inclusive people. They are generally very polite.
Canada is heavily influenced by its proximity to the USA. As a large majority of Canadians live within 100km of the Canada/USA border, there are similarities in behaviour and accent. Canadians share the informality, freedom of expression, pioneer spirit (particularly in the north of the country) and entrepreneurial imagination of the USA. Yet, Canadians tend to be noticeably more modest, indirect and considered in voicing their opinions. Canadian society has also harnessed cultural diversity as a source of unity in a distinct manner.
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@Canadaparrot
Welcome
Time to make some friends here. Don’t let time slip by.
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@JoeBob
What are you doing for the holidays this year?
Same thing we did last year, having fun.
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@Canadaparrot
business claws
It’s good for business as well. People have to buy gifts they want to donate.
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@lacr3000
I understand that the perspective the is supposed to provide is that everyone can thrive under socialism but it's still an unfair way of displaying the argument numerically. I'd actually also argue that a pure socialist government is unfair to its people just on the basics of the ideology.
Which is better, capitalism or socialism?
The data indicated that the socialist countries generally have achieved better PQL outcomes than the capitalist countries at equivalent levels of economic development.
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@Canadaparrot
Trump was just bragging in that quote about his support. He wasn't bragging about shooting people in order to gain more support. Otherwise he clearly would have shot a ton of people in 2020 instead of losing.
The first time Trump said he could shoot someone and he wouldn’t lose voters. He won in 2016.
The second time he forgot to say it and lost in 2020.
The third time he was shot before he could say it and he still won 2024..
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