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@DavidAZZ
The reason Trinitarians use this is that it shows a count of three in the vision.
True the verses mention three in John’s vision. The word Trinity does NOT exist in the Bible. However, it is a word which was coined by Theophilus of Antioch writing in the late 2nd century. However, it was more commonly accepted in the early 3rd century by the early church father Tertullian.
Mark 1:9–11
The Baptism of Jesus
In those days Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee and was baptized byJohn in the Jordan. 10 And when he came up out of the water, immediately hetsaw uthe heavens being torn open vand the Spirit descending on him like a dove. 11 And a voice came from heaven, “You are my beloved Son;1 with you I am well pleased.”
Luke 3:21–22
21 Now when all the people were baptized, and when Jesus also had been baptized and was praying, the heavens were opened, 22 and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form, like a dove; and a voice came from heaven, “You are my beloved Son;with you I am well pleased.”
John 1:32–34
32 And John bore witness: “I saw the Spirit descend from heaven like a dove,and it remained on him. 33 I myself did not know him, but fhe who sent me to baptize with water said to me, ‘He on whom you see the Spirit descend and remain, this is he who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’ 34 And I have seen andhave borne witness that this is the Son1 of God.”
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@Best.Korea
I am pretty sure when people log off or leave the site they don't think about anyone on this site.Well, I wouldnt know, it’s not like I come near their house every night to watch them what they are doing.
Other countries can learn from them.
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@Best.Korea
Also, this confirms that Mall is a person and not AI as some were thinking.
One of the speakers is completely wrong.
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@Best.Korea
Great even 4 year old can play it.If he can remember the combination and repeat it quickly enough, sure.
If it is that simple, is it good for your IQ building?
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And he was only married once.For 77 years too.
Might explain why he lived to be a 100 years.
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@DavidAZZ
Real thing is, Jesus was a vehicle to offer a sacrifice for us by God. Jesus will not reign forever since he will give his power back to God in the final days of all (1 Cor 15:28) Jesus was never Eternal. He was born of a woman and any reference to him being "from the beginning" would be in the mind or plan of God. The Son is only in reference to the flesh or body of Jesus Christ.
You deviate quite a bit from the Christian view of Jesus.
Who was Jesus according to Christians?
In Christianity, Jesus is the Son of God as chronicled in the Bible's New Testament, and in most Christian denominations he is held to be God the Son, a prosopon (Person) of the Trinity of God. Christians believe him to be the messiah (giving him the title Christ), who was prophesied in the Bible's Old Testament.
Jesus as the Son of God
Most Christians believe that Jesus, as well as being fully human, is also fully God. Most Christians believe that Jesus is the second person of the Holy Trinity. and is the Son of God.
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@Savant
Are you fine with me publicly posting the links to the videos on DART?
We need the link to access it.
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@zedvictor4
Without a doubt.
Russia is spoiling for another fight.
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@Best.Korea
Even more simple version goes:12323234432(Numbers represent keys on piano. Same number = same key pressed).
Great even 4 year old can play it.
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@Double_R
And beyond that point, even if you reject everything I just said it doesn't come close to justifying your claim that Democratic leaders are threatening to kill Elon Musk. Last I checked Scaramouche is not a democratic leader and he said absolutely nothing about murder. This post, like most of your posts just made up hysteria.
Just more fake news.
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@FLRW
You should celebrate the new day at our strip club. Wink wink.
It is just a topless club. No Big deal.
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@Mall
Scripture say debate thy cause. I believe the scripture say Paul disputed daily.Scripture say contend for the faith so yes the scripture encourages debating. Whether you realize it or not , you're debating me right now and have been.
What does the Bible say about debating the word of God?
He told Timothy that fighting about words not only was “useless” but also led to “the ruin of those who listen” (2 Tim. 2:14). Those who engage in empty and irreverent speech will “produce even more godlessness, and their teaching will spread like gangrene” (2 Tim. 2:16-17).
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@Best.Korea
These precious days will not reoccur in lifeLet's inscribe them as golden starsIn the history of the Worker's PartyDash towards the futureA new century is callingOur strong and prosperous fatherlandLet's make it shine for all eternity
Very inspiring.
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@Savant
Unitarians say it is not a mystery, but a confusing compilation of tenets introduced by menHow do unitarians deal with verses like "I and the Father are one"?
The theological roots of Unitarian Universalism are grounded in two great heresies: the heresy of Universalism (no one is lost forever, all are saved) and the heresy of Unitarianism (there is no biblical support for the idea of a triune God). The word ‘heretic’ comes from the Greek word for ‘choice.’
"Christianity derived from Judaism and Judaism was strictly Unitarian (believing in one God). The road which led from Jerusalem to Nicea was scarcely a straight one. Fourth century trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was, on the contrary, a deviation from this teaching."
The trinity is a deviation from believing in one God; it is a deviation from what the early church taught and it is a deviation from the scripture.
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@Mall
Ok I'm going to invite you to this topic. Check your activities notification.
Why are you trying to ruin a much recognized Christmas celebration?
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@FLRW
Eventually, AI will not need humans. This was the goal of the creators of the universe. Squirrels, then humans, then AI.
We are reaching that point.
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@Best.Korea
Well, I would be a bit crazy to write over 230 ways to become smarter while not doing any of them.
That would be very dumb.
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@Best.Korea
Can’t happiness compensate you for your low intelligence?No.
So you must be miserable.
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@FLRW
Shouldn't we be buying Slovenia? I could use 3 or 4 sex workers.
Trump is eying Greenland. Maybe Slovenian is not so hot as it is rumoured to be.
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@zedvictor4
So the story typically goes.But the "Nazis" and the "Soviets" were a few selfish tyrants.And the millions of gullible sycophants who died fighting on their behalf, were just a consequence of human stupidity.That's how it usually works.
That certainly was the stupidest moment in human history. World War 2. Following World War 1.
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@Mall
You to go to your app store for discord to listen live. Otherwise recordings will be uploaded to YouTube and there's multiple recordings so send me a message for more information or once you have a discord account.
Is there any privacy concerns?
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@Best.Korea
I think GP is russian AI.
Is it pro Trump?
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@Double_R
Again, no one said gangs are not a problem. You continue to argue with your own imagination.If you actually cared about steelmanning anyone's position you would not need to be told this repeatedly. When I pointed this out initially you asked why that wasn't addressed regardless of the fact that it was a strawman at the outset. Steelmanning is the opposite of that, the whole idea is that you ask these questions to yourself first not place the burden on anyone else to ask and answer it.
Great advice. Hope he takes it. Is steelmanning a new word?
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@Best.Korea
Sleep and happiness frequencies, I use less often.I admit, its great to be able to turn on some sound and just feel happy, but my main goal is to increase intelligence, which could help me much more in life than just feeling happy right now.
Can’t happiness compensate you for your low intelligence?
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@FLRW
Shouldn't we be buying Slovenia? I could use 3 or 4 sex workers.
Trump should have consulted you before he married a Slovenian.
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@Savant
The early church worshipped one God and believed in a subordinate Son.I'm not sure this fits the constraints you described any more than the Trinity. And most Trinitarians see the Trinity as describing a divine mystery, rather than an explanation. I haven't seen a more specific and consistent explanation that fits all the verses you described, so "divine mystery" is probably as close as anyone can get if they hold the Bible as authoritative.
Divine mysteries are spiritual truths that were formerly hidden but are now meant to be understood. Man's mysteries are something else altogether and can be permanently impossible to understand. Scholars declare the trinity is a mystery that is beyond understanding and we agree!
Trinitarians say the doctrine of the Trinity is a mystery, whereas Unitarians say it is not a mystery, but a confusing compilation of tenets introduced by men ..
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@Intelligence_06
I would actually like to see this bill-or-whatever-you-call-it be enacted in modern day USA and see a hefty chunk of all cops lose their jobs virtually simultaneously.No, seriously. Get better police training. I am not saying I know a way, I am just saying we as members of society need it.
It is too much to ask teachers and police officers to correct a broken morality that leads to increase crime and delinquency.
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@Savant
This is how you get too much funding allocated to athletes, legacies and the children of rich daddies.We have that anyway with limited quotas. Having better online degrees would be a huge economic boost, though there's probably room for corruption in every system.
Online degrees have grown in number after Covid.
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@Intelligence_06
People should not be fighting amongst ourselves. Disappointed. Dunno why we have people professionally fighting for money.That sounds like a mercenary, doesn't it?
Boxing is a sport.
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Donald Trump is an ignorant, overconfident, narcissistic, grievance-ridden man — a dumb man, who over time has attracted around him an asteroid field of dumb allies who are but lesser versions of himself.
The president-elect is renewing unsuccessful calls he made during his first term for the U.S. to buy Greenland from Denmark, adding to the list of allied countries with which he’s picking fights even before taking office on Jan. 20.
In a Sunday announcement naming his ambassador to Denmark, Trump wrote that, “For purposes of National Security and Freedom throughout the World, the United States of America feels that the ownership and control of Greenland is an absolute necessity.”
Trump again having designs on Greenland comes after the president-elect suggested over the weekend that the U.S. could retake control of the Panama Canal if something isn’t done to ease rising shipping costs required for using the waterway linking the Atlantic and Pacific oceans.
He’s also been suggesting that Canada become the 51st U.S. state and referred to Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau as “governor” of the “Great State of Canada.”
Stephen Farnsworth, a political science professor at the University of Mary Washington in Fredericksburg, Virginia, said Trump tweaking friendly countries harkens back to an aggressive style he used during his days in business.
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Histrionic Personality DisorderHistrionic personality disorder (HPD) is a mentalcondition that causes people to act in a dramatic and emotional way to getattention. It's characterized by a pattern of behaviors that usuallystarts in early adulthood.
We don’t need to know the diagnoses of your condition. We just need to know you are being treated. Because calling, "Mommy, mommy, look at me, look at me", isn’t going to improve your condition.
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Historical Background of the Trinity
The current mainstream teaching in Christianity is that God is a coequal, coeternal, one-substance trinity, and that Jesus Christ is God. This doctrine is considered by many as the cornerstone of Christianity, but where did this doctrine come from? The historical record is overwhelming that the church of the first three centuries did not worship God as a coequal, coeternal, consubstantial, one-substance three in one mysterious godhead. The early church worshipped one God and believed in a subordinate Son. The trinity originated with Babylon, and was passed on to most of the world's religions. This polytheistic (believing in more than one god) trinitarianism was intertwined with Greek religion and philosophy and slowly worked its way into Christian thought and creeds some 300 years after Christ. The idea of "God the Son" is Babylonian paganism and mythology that was grafted into Christianity. Worshipping "God the Son" is idolatry, and idolatry is Biblically condemned; it breaks the first great commandment of God of not having any gods before him (Exodus 20:3). Then three centuries after Christ the corrupt emperor Constantine forced the minority opinion of the trinity upon the council of Nicea. The Christian church went downward from there; in fact some of the creeds and councils actually contradict each other. The council of Nicea 325 said that "Jesus Christ is God," the council of Constantinople 381 said that "the Holy Spirit is God," the council of Ephesus 431 said that "human beings are totally depraved," the council of Chalcedon 451 said that "Jesus Christ is both man and God." If you follow the logic here then first you have Jesus Christ as God, then you have man totally depraved, and then you have Jesus Christ as man and God. If Jesus Christ is both man and God does this mean that God is also totally depraved? Well maybe the doctrine of the coequal, coeternal, one-substance, mysterious three in one triune godhead is deprived of any historical foundation tying it into the Christianity of the Bible and the Christianity of the first three centuries. However the historical information ties the trinity into various pagan origins.
And yet most Christian churches continue to teach and believe the doctrine that God is a coequal, coeternal, one-substance, mysterious three in one triune godhead, and that Jesus Christ is God, and that the trinity is "the cornerstone of Christianity".
The current mainstream teaching in Christianity is that God is a coequal, coeternal, one-substance trinity, and that Jesus Christ is God. This doctrine is considered by many as the cornerstone of Christianity, but where did this doctrine come from? The historical record is overwhelming that the church of the first three centuries did not worship God as a coequal, coeternal, consubstantial, one-substance three in one mysterious godhead. The early church worshipped one God and believed in a subordinate Son. The trinity originated with Babylon, and was passed on to most of the world's religions. This polytheistic (believing in more than one god) trinitarianism was intertwined with Greek religion and philosophy and slowly worked its way into Christian thought and creeds some 300 years after Christ. The idea of "God the Son" is Babylonian paganism and mythology that was grafted into Christianity. Worshipping "God the Son" is idolatry, and idolatry is Biblically condemned; it breaks the first great commandment of God of not having any gods before him (Exodus 20:3). Then three centuries after Christ the corrupt emperor Constantine forced the minority opinion of the trinity upon the council of Nicea. The Christian church went downward from there; in fact some of the creeds and councils actually contradict each other. The council of Nicea 325 said that "Jesus Christ is God," the council of Constantinople 381 said that "the Holy Spirit is God," the council of Ephesus 431 said that "human beings are totally depraved," the council of Chalcedon 451 said that "Jesus Christ is both man and God." If you follow the logic here then first you have Jesus Christ as God, then you have man totally depraved, and then you have Jesus Christ as man and God. If Jesus Christ is both man and God does this mean that God is also totally depraved? Well maybe the doctrine of the coequal, coeternal, one-substance, mysterious three in one triune godhead is deprived of any historical foundation tying it into the Christianity of the Bible and the Christianity of the first three centuries. However the historical information ties the trinity into various pagan origins.
And yet most Christian churches continue to teach and believe the doctrine that God is a coequal, coeternal, one-substance, mysterious three in one triune godhead, and that Jesus Christ is God, and that the trinity is "the cornerstone of Christianity".
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@sadolite
"Trump could never pass a mental competency test," And you think you could?
The more he fails the closer it brings him to Trump. It’s called going MAGA.
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@sadolite
Jesus Christ, Will you moderators get rid of this bot.
Did you check my post?
Trump’s Truth Social is a social media company.
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Christology and the Jesus Predicate Problem
The doctrine of the Trinity, as noted earlier, is motivated by the Christian conviction that Jesus was, in some sense, divine. Jesus however was born, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died and was buried; he did not understand Chinese; he believed that David was the author of all the Psalms. These properties are, it would seem, incompatible with divinity and, indeed, there appear to be a great many predicates that are true of Jesus which, it would seem, could not be true of God and vice versa.
This is the Jesus Predicate Problem: we do not want to ascribe all the predicates that are true of Jesus to God simpliciter or, in particular, to God the Father. We do not, for example, want to hold that the Father suffered on the Cross—the heresy of Patripassionism. God, as traditionally understood is impassible—he cannot be subject to suffering, pain or harm. Moreover God has no beginning in time or end, and is, according to most orthodox accounts atemporal insofar as he is eternalrather than merely everlasting: he exists outside of time in what is, from the perspective of his subjectivity, the eternal now. Jesus however was born at a particular time and lived his life in time, so to maintain God’s atemporality, we cannot allow predicates that assign temporal properties to Jesus to God, or in particular to God the Father. In general, there are a range of predicates that are true of Jesus that, we want to hold, are not true of God the Father or of the Holy Spirit, and which we would hesitate to ascribe to God simpliciter insofar as they appear to be inconsistent with essential features of divinity.
To avoid the migration of Jesus’ predicates to other Persons of the Trinity, we need to create enough logical space between the Persons to block inferences from claims about Jesus to claims about the Father so that, in general, “Jesus Fs” does not entail “God the Father Fs” where “x Fs” says either that x has a property, is a certain kind of thing or does a certain kind of action. The trouble with Monarchian accounts, which make the Trinity “too tight,” is that they obliterate the logical space between the Persons that would block such inferences. Since Monarchians cannot use Trinitarian doctrine to block these inferences they use Christology to do the job—by either adopting very high Christologies or very low ones. The wedge has to be driven somewhere and, if there isn’t enough logical space to drive it in between the First and Second Persons of the Trinity, it has to go in between the Second Person, the divine Logos which is from the beginning with God and is God, and whatever it is that is the subject of Jesus predicates.
The doctrine of the Trinity, as noted earlier, is motivated by the Christian conviction that Jesus was, in some sense, divine. Jesus however was born, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died and was buried; he did not understand Chinese; he believed that David was the author of all the Psalms. These properties are, it would seem, incompatible with divinity and, indeed, there appear to be a great many predicates that are true of Jesus which, it would seem, could not be true of God and vice versa.
This is the Jesus Predicate Problem: we do not want to ascribe all the predicates that are true of Jesus to God simpliciter or, in particular, to God the Father. We do not, for example, want to hold that the Father suffered on the Cross—the heresy of Patripassionism. God, as traditionally understood is impassible—he cannot be subject to suffering, pain or harm. Moreover God has no beginning in time or end, and is, according to most orthodox accounts atemporal insofar as he is eternalrather than merely everlasting: he exists outside of time in what is, from the perspective of his subjectivity, the eternal now. Jesus however was born at a particular time and lived his life in time, so to maintain God’s atemporality, we cannot allow predicates that assign temporal properties to Jesus to God, or in particular to God the Father. In general, there are a range of predicates that are true of Jesus that, we want to hold, are not true of God the Father or of the Holy Spirit, and which we would hesitate to ascribe to God simpliciter insofar as they appear to be inconsistent with essential features of divinity.
To avoid the migration of Jesus’ predicates to other Persons of the Trinity, we need to create enough logical space between the Persons to block inferences from claims about Jesus to claims about the Father so that, in general, “Jesus Fs” does not entail “God the Father Fs” where “x Fs” says either that x has a property, is a certain kind of thing or does a certain kind of action. The trouble with Monarchian accounts, which make the Trinity “too tight,” is that they obliterate the logical space between the Persons that would block such inferences. Since Monarchians cannot use Trinitarian doctrine to block these inferences they use Christology to do the job—by either adopting very high Christologies or very low ones. The wedge has to be driven somewhere and, if there isn’t enough logical space to drive it in between the First and Second Persons of the Trinity, it has to go in between the Second Person, the divine Logos which is from the beginning with God and is God, and whatever it is that is the subject of Jesus predicates.
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@FLRW
The whole ordeal is suspicious. Hours before the Republican coronation oops I mean convention when Project 2025 is at the number one google search,a registered republican nicks Trumps ear whereupon the secret service whose sole purpose is to protect the president,lifts a potus bleeding from the head DURING AN ACTIVE SHOOTING and provides unobstructed multiple photo ops while the crowd is relatively calm. Then again bleeding from the head Trump asks to get his shoes. Huh? Then he's allowed more fist bumps and photo ops which leave his head and torso completely exposed if there was more shooting which they didn't know at this point while he was allowed still more head exposure and fist bumps until he was at last driven away. The whole thing reeks.
Trump would not have passed his own apprentice test. Instead of fight, fight it would have called for him to be fired.
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@Best.Korea
As for relaxing, well, my days are rather relaxing. I sleep for 12 hours a day.
And you still keep a 22 point program. Good work!
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@Best.Korea
Money is necessary for life.
So is a proper diet.
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@Best.Korea
I dont know. I dont remember Gp ever leaving the site for so long. Maybe he found a job.
Have you tried messaging him?
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@Best.Korea
I am not vegan, I just admit that it’s about as cheap as it gets unless you have your own farm where you farm sheep or chickens or cows.
Is the money you saved worth the sacrifice?
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@Canadaparrot
Me either
You haven’t been here long enough to tell the difference.
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@zedvictor4
I was suggesting that like most tyrants, Hitler preferred the seclusion of Berlin or Bavaria, rather than the Russian front.
The Nazis viewed the Soviets as ideological enemies, seeing communism as a direct threat to their fascist beliefs. This fueled a deep-seated fear and hatred, particularly as the war progressed and the brutality of the Eastern Front became apparent.
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@Best.Korea
Reaching 150 might be your ticket to survival.I just want to know a lot. Kinda like google AI, but not as weird.
Where do you find time to learn relax during your busy schedule.
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@zedvictor4
Well, I think that verification would be self evident.If it weren't, you would have already have been let down.
It wasn’t to Ronald Reagan. Even as president there was an attempt on his life.
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@zedvictor4
Showering benefits shampoo and shower gel retailers and manufacturers.And I think that sniffing peoples armpits and arses, is no longer a preferred means of communication anyway.
Smelly armpits and arses are not socially welcoming.
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@Best.Korea
I noticed you didn’t mention workingI dont need to work for a living. Plus, working means you have less time to think about important stuff.What is the point of having an IQ of 150I dont know, but I want it.
Maybe after you reach IQ 150 you will realize you need to work for a living. Reaching 150 might be your ticket to survival.
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@Best.Korea
Now, these 22 are what I do every day. I want to increase my IQ to at least 150 because I dont want to be a 120 IQ retard anymore.
I noticed you didn’t mention working. What is the point of having anIQ of 150 and not being employable.
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What did Jesus say about the Trinity?
He did not specifically refer to the term Trinity but did describe God in what we would call trinitarian terms or formulations. Jesus described God as "the Father", he described himself as God's son, and one with God the Father, and described the Holy Spirit as somehow proceeding from both the Father and himself.
Jesus went a step further.
John 10:30-38
I and the Father are one.”
31 Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, 32 but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”
John 14:9
Don't you know who I am? If you have seen me, you have seen the Father. How can you ask me to show you the Father?
The final catch.
John 1:In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
What does St Thomas Aquinas say about the Trinity?
St. Thomas Aquinas begins his teaching on the Trinity by asserting that "God is Father, God is Son, and God is Holy Spirit," and that these are not three but one God. Further, God's Word is also part of his existence. Aquinas calls speech the offspring of the intellect, which he conceives as its father.
What did St. Augustine write about the Trinity?
Augustine states in regard to their work, “Father does some things, the Son other things, and the Holy Spirit yet others” (Augustine Ch. 5.8). The Holy Spirit is the spirit of both the Father and the Son and was not begotten. Just like the Father and the Son, the Holy Spirit has no beginning or end.
What verse explains the Trinity?
John 14:10
Though there is a complete mutual indwelling of the Father and the Son, the Father and the Son remain distinct persons within the Trinity, as does the Holy Spirit (Matt. 28:19; 2 Cor. 13:14), and the three of them still constitute only one Being in three persons.
What is the simplest way to explain the Trinity?
There is one God, who is Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The Trinity, or Holy Trinity, is a way of describing God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.
He did not specifically refer to the term Trinity but did describe God in what we would call trinitarian terms or formulations. Jesus described God as "the Father", he described himself as God's son, and one with God the Father, and described the Holy Spirit as somehow proceeding from both the Father and himself.
Jesus went a step further.
John 10:30-38
I and the Father are one.”
31 Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, 32 but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”
John 14:9
Don't you know who I am? If you have seen me, you have seen the Father. How can you ask me to show you the Father?
The final catch.
John 1:In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
What does St Thomas Aquinas say about the Trinity?
St. Thomas Aquinas begins his teaching on the Trinity by asserting that "God is Father, God is Son, and God is Holy Spirit," and that these are not three but one God. Further, God's Word is also part of his existence. Aquinas calls speech the offspring of the intellect, which he conceives as its father.
What did St. Augustine write about the Trinity?
Augustine states in regard to their work, “Father does some things, the Son other things, and the Holy Spirit yet others” (Augustine Ch. 5.8). The Holy Spirit is the spirit of both the Father and the Son and was not begotten. Just like the Father and the Son, the Holy Spirit has no beginning or end.
What verse explains the Trinity?
John 14:10
Though there is a complete mutual indwelling of the Father and the Son, the Father and the Son remain distinct persons within the Trinity, as does the Holy Spirit (Matt. 28:19; 2 Cor. 13:14), and the three of them still constitute only one Being in three persons.
What is the simplest way to explain the Trinity?
There is one God, who is Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The Trinity, or Holy Trinity, is a way of describing God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.
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Thomas Aquinas' Trinitarian theology has been criticized as proposing an abstract notion of God that is divorced from salvation history and that is supported by tedious and ultimately incomprehensible explication.
Trinity definition provided by the Catholic Church:
The Trinity is One. We do not confess three Gods, but one God in three persons, the “consubstantial Trinity”. The divine persons do not share the one divinity among themselves but each of them is God whole and entire: “The Father is that which the Son is, the Son that which the Father is, the Father and the Son that which the Holy Spirit is, i.e. by nature one God.” In the words of the Fourth Lateran Council (1215), “Each of the persons is that supreme reality, viz., the divine substance, essence or nature.”
The divine persons are really distinct from one another. “God is one but not solitary.” “Father”, “Son”, “Holy Spirit” are not simply names designating modalities of the divine being, for they are really distinct from one another: “He is not the Father who is the Son, nor is the Son he who is the Father, nor is the Holy Spirit he who is the Father or the Son.” They are distinct from one another in their relations of origin: “It is the Father who generates, the Son who is begotten, and the Holy Spirit who proceeds.” The divine Unity is Triune.
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How the Trinity can be proven mathematically.
Trinity and Identity
Can one consistently believe (1) – (7)? It depends on how we read the “is” in (1) – (6). If we read it throughout as the “is” of strict identity, as “=” the answer is no. Identity is an equivalence relation: it is reflexive, symmetric and transitive, which is to say, for all x, y and z the following hold:
Reflexivity: x = x
Symmetry: If x = y then y = x
Transitivity: If x = y and y = z then x = y
In addition, identity is an unrestricted indiscernibilty relation for all properties, which is to say it obeys Leibniz’ Law, understood as the Indiscernibility of Identicals:
LL: If x = y then for all properties, P, x has P if and only if y has P
This is bad news. Suppose we read the “is” as “=” in (1) – (6). Then it follows from (1) and (2), by symmetry and transitivity, that the Father is the Son, which contradicts (4). Put another way, given LL, (1) entails that God has all the same properties as the Father, including the property of being identical with the Father insofar as everything has the property of self-identity. (2) says that the Son likewise has all the same properties as God. It follows that, since God has the property of being identical with the Son, the Son also has the property of being identical with the Father, which contradicts (4).
These formal features of identity are non-negotiable in the way that the four-sidedness of squares is: God cannot evade them any more than he can make a square with only three sides. God can make triangles—and pentagons, chiliagons or figures with any number of sides he pleases—but he cannot make such things squares. So, assuming that “God,” “Father,” “Son” and “Holy Spirit” don’t change their reference, the “is” that figures in (1) – (6) cannot be the “is” of strict identity.
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