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@Speedrace
@badger
@PREZ-HILTON
Congrats. You guys rocked as scum.
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I think we need a new rule of mafia: SirAnonymous's reads are always wrong.
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The Earth lynch was definitely my bad. I knew I would make the wrong decision, and I did.
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This type of setup put me at a huge disadvantage. I'm terrible at reads in any game, so with no investigative roles, I just didn't know what to do.
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@badger
I was beginning to suspect you with the way your claimed role overlapped with Wylted. But, suspicions are useless if not followed by action.
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@oromagi
A lot of these were pretty good. Thanks for posting them!
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@ILikePie5
It seems to me that a lot of the things you assume that I think or that I do or don't condemn are things that you think a stereotypical RINO thinks projected onto me. They don't seem to bear any resemblance to what I actually think.
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@ILikePie5
You keep trying to get me to defend the Democrats. I don't defend them, and I condemn them when they do wrong. However, just because the Democrats do bad things that should be completely unacceptable doesn't mean that Trump didn't also do bad things that should be completely unacceptable. The guilt of one does not imply the innocence of the other, and the guilt of both doesn't make either of them any less wrong.
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@ILikePie5
Are you sure about that?
Yes, because...
Take a look at the Democrats “voting rights” bill. Hell, they want to legalize every illegal immigrant in the nation.
...they were trying to pass that bill before 2020. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_the_People_Act
The Democrats will push their agenda whenever they're in power.
And where are Joe Biden and the Democrats and you when some guy was caught tryin to assassinate Kavanaugh? Is that not a threat to democracy?
The attempted Kavanaugh assassination was in every way evil and indefensible. It is a threat to our democracy, though of a somewhat different nature than Trump. Trump's goal, setting aside the "Hang Mike Pence" crowd, was to maintain power. The Kavanaugh assassin's goal was to kill political opponents. Just as bad or worse, but different.
Is looting and rioting and not being punished for it not a threat to democracy.
It most certainly is. As with the Kavanaugh assassin, it is a different kind of threat than overturning elections, but still very much a threat.
Half the country will never give up their guns lol. But that’s not going to stop them.
No, that won't stop them. However, Second Amendment rights can be won back. See Heller and the end of the federal "assault weapons" ban.
The damage has already been done. There are thousands already here. Letting random people into our nation surely isn’t a threat to democracy.
Eh...that's certainly not a good thing, but I don't know if I would call it a threat. It could be if the Democrats succeed in letting non-citizens vote (which is such a truly on-its-face stupid idea that I can't understand why anyone supports it, but some people do).
Then maybe Democrats shouldn’t have used dubious election methods that they want to nationalize. What does it say about our democracy that counties “find” ballots a day or two after Election Day.
About our democracy as a whole? Very little, since "found" ballots have a negligible effect on national elections. About individual locales where they do have an effect? Nothing good.
If that “chunk” of the country wanted to get its way, it already would’ve.
Depends how far they're willing to go to get it. Trump was willing to go quite far, but he did it with astonishing incompetence.
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@ILikePie5
Even if you had the evidence, most of the courts dismissed it on procedural grounds like lack of standing.
If you had evidence, they would listen - especially if, unlike Trump's legal team, you were competent enough to consider those procedural questions beforehand.
Again, that’s how it works. Wisconsin has 10 electoral votes. GOP nominates 10 people and Dems nominate 10 people. Both go to DC. Congress chooses which are the “legitimate” ones.
Can you provide some evidence for that? Looking at the process described here, that doesn't appear to be true.
You’re implying that it’s somehow subverting democracy, yet you do not condemn the Democrats for it. I’m showing the hypocrisy of the Democrats and yourself.
I do condemn the Democrats for it. You haven't shown any hypocrisy on my part.
Would you like to take back your statement now? There were thousands of illegal ones, but he’s telling Brad you just have to find the margin he lost by lol, which is not hard.
After reading the first part of the transcript, I'll retract that statement.
No the ECA is. And who determines Constitutionality? SCOTUS.
The Constitution is the highest law of the land. It is a question of legality. But this argument is semantics.
I could say the same for the Kavanaugh killer. That was an insurrection. Gimme a break.
The Kavanaugh killer wasn't trying to prevent a peaceful transfer of power. He was an attempted assassin. While that was an indefensible and evil attempt at political violence, it wasn't an insurrection.
One getting more attention is unjust. One group of protestors getting far harsher penalties for doing less is unjust.
You are absolutely correct. However, that they are being treated unjustly doesn't change the fact that what they did was wrong.
Where is the committee to investigate that?
Never, because that's not the J6 committee's job. Should there have been a different committee for the BLM riots? Sure.
Mark my words though: nothing is going to happen. Everyone will forget it in a year.
You are almost certainly correct.
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@ILikePie5
Courts just didn’t want to hear it for procedural reasons.
It wasn't for procedural reasons. You do, in fact, need evidence to get the courts to listen. Trump had nothing.
In case you didn’t know, both sides send their electors. It’s up to Congress to choose the right one lol.
That wasn't what Trump was doing. He was trying to get them to send a completely separate set of electors to vote for him.
Which is within his right, and it has been done before by Democrats. Even Bennie Thompson, the chair of the J6 committee did it.
"Trump is just as bad as the Democrats" is a lousy defense.
So you believe the Democratic perspective on this.
Because that's what Trump said.
Have you ever thought that find means find the corrupt and fake ballots?
Yes, but that interpretation makes no sense. Were that interpretation correct, Trump would have given the number of ballots he thought were fraudulent, not the exact number he needed to win.
A constitutional question at best, but no definition of illegality.
The constitution is indeed a question of legality.
“Violent.”
Yes. Dozens of policemen were injured. And had the "Hang Mike Pence" crowd gotten their hands on him or Pelosi, there's no question what would have happened.
J6 protestors get solitary confinement while summer of love protestors roam around free.
That the violent BLM protesters are also guilty doesn't make the January 6 rioters innocent.
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He can see first hand how irrelevant the J6 committee is.
Regardless of what anyone thinks about Pie's other opinions about January 6, he is absolutely correct about this. Getting the American public to care about something that happened a year and a half ago is nearly impossible to begin with. When Pelosi rejected the Republican appointments to the committee, she turned it into a partisan committee, ensuring that anyone who needed to listen to their findings would be unwilling to listen. And in the grand scheme of things, the committee and its findings will be completely forgotten when the Dobbs opinion is released sometime this month. Should the American public care about January 6 committee? Yes. Should they have a longer-term memory? Absolutely. Is there even the slightest chance that they will remember the committee and care about its findings? Absolutely not.
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I really doubt that Chris is mafia. It's really implausible that scum has a player who can only be lynched in MYLO/LYLO.
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@Mharman
Guys chill 😂
We're quite chill. Pie and I disagree, but he's still a cool dude.
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@ILikePie5
Illegally maintain power. How so? Is Trump still in the White House? Last I checked, Trump willingly left the White House. Not one firearm inside the Capital. Talk about insurrection.
I said he tried to illegally maintain power, not that he succeeded. He tried to get the courts to overturn election results based on conspiracy theories. He tried to maintain power by trying to get governors to "find" votes for him. He tried to maintain power by trying to convince states that he lost to send electors that would vote for him anyway. He tried to convince Congress to dispute the electoral votes from states he lost. He tried to convince Pence to discard electoral votes from states he lost. January 6 was the most violent and blatant example of his attempts to remain in power, but it was only a small part of the overall effort.
You give liberals one inch and they’ll take the whole goddamn football field from you.
I'm quite aware of that, but it doesn't make what Trump did any less wrong and dangerous.
Your decision to not vote for Trump in 2020 and hundreds of others like you have directly led to the America we have today. Illegals pouring into the border. Inflation at record highs. War in Ukraine. Americans dead in Afghanistan. Gas prices at record highs. Second amendment being attacked.
That kind of thing happens every time they're in power. Trump or no Trump, they would have won the presidency and Congress back. Without Trump, it would have happened in 2024 or 2028, but it would have happened. And yes, it's bad. You know what else is bad? Trying to overturn elections. So long as we have a democracy, inflation can be addressed. Second amendment rights can be won back. The border can be secured. However, trying to maintain the integrity of elections while a large chunk of the country supports overturning them is a much harder task. And if that chunk of the country should ever succeed in overturning an election, that is going to be a far bigger problem than borders, inflation, and guns.
You’re supporting a narrative that the people who represent the anti-thesis of your beliefs are peddling out in the open and have been for 6 YEARS.
Because that narrative isn't entirely wrong. Some of it is wrong, and all of it gets exaggerated, but it isn't entirely wrong. The basic idea behind it that trying to overturn legitimate elections is a serious threat is quite correct.
First it was Russia.
That was mostly wrong.
Then it was Ukraine impeachment.
That one was correct.
The it was 25th Amendment.
The Democrats rightly discarded that one in favor of impeachment.
Then it was insurrection impeachment.
That one was most definitely right.
Now it’s 14th Amendment.
That one is incorrect.
At some point you have to realize this is all a partisan witch-hunt.
Except that it isn't. Two things can be true at once. The Democrats are overblowing things and trying to exploit things for partisan gain, and Trump did try to overturn a legitimate election.
In all of this, I see that you have still ignored my question about whether there is anything not related to Trump that makes me a RINO. Can you name any policies?
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@ILikePie5
For the absolute fun of it, let's compare political compasses. In this thread, your political compass was 2.75 right and 2.62 authoritarian. In this thread, my political compass was 5.0 right and 2.62 libertarian. Seems I'm to your right.
Of course, the political compass is far from infallible.
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@ILikePie5
Also, supporting one politician over another isn't remotely specific. Support for a politician doesn't imply agreement with everything they do and say. For instance, Mitt Romney is known for RomneyCare (obviously!), which I don't support. Romney also signed an "assault weapons" ban as governor of Massachusetts. I don't support that either. Can you point to any policies?
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@ILikePie5
Sure, I guess you could call neocons RINOS. And their prevalence in the party is the reason why people like Romney and Cheney can pull the stuff they do.
It seems rather paradoxical to admit that a large number of Republicans are neoconservatives while simultaneously accusing the of being RINOs.
Loyal to the old order of the GOP like Mitch McConnell and John Thune. Bush order neocons.
I have no loyalty to either of them.
Nope. You don’t give information.
I don't give information about my personal life. I've given plenty of information about my policy preferences.
Though I’d suspect you would easily lol.
Based on what?
Your support of Romney over Trump. Romney policies = neocon
I support Romney over Trump because I support politicians who don't try to illegally maintain power over politicians who do. I don't support Romney because of his policies. While I agree with some of them, he is far more moderate than I am.
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@badger
Even so, we do not lynch that. The only good way to use a role like that is to make it a 50/50 or guaranteed win between unclears in final LYLO. Otherwise we ML him, he shoots a town, we lose.
Agreed.
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@PREZ-HILTON
Don't think that's a good idea. If Chris is town, then lynching you so you can shoot him would be an instant loss for town, unless by some miracle I (or whoever might have another protective role) blocks the NK.
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@ILikePie5
If you’re a Romney/Cheney Republican like the “old” days
How do you define a Romney/Cheney Republican? They are not the same type of Republican. Cheney is further right than Romney. If you're referring to neoconservatism, that is still very common in the Republican party. That would hardly make me a RINO.
Sure, you support policies that benefit only the establishment and elites.
What does that even mean? What "establishment"? Trump is the Republican party establishment.
You all routinely cave on key issues like guns and healthcare.
Can you point to any examples of me caving on guns and healthcare?
Do you have any specifics that make me a RINO? Surely you have more reasons than lumping me into vague generalities.
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@ILikePie5
Trump, and the Republican Party's continued support of him and his worst inclinations, is the only reason I am not a Republican. So, everything.
Can you give any reasons why I would be a RINO that have nothing to do with Trump?
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@PREZ-HILTON
Bro. You should have never claimed that.
Probably correct.
We can't mislynch at all now.
We still have a mislynch. I don't have to use my role if I don't want to.
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@PREZ-HILTON
My role. I am the babysitter. If scum NKs me, both me and the player I babysit die.
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@ILikePie5
And that has what to do with me?
Can you give any reasons why I would be a RINO that have nothing to do with Trump?
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@PREZ-HILTON
So town has two roles that can potentially kill other townies?
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@ILikePie5
I'd be curious to see how many reasons you can give for me being a RINO that don't have anything to do with Trump.
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@Mharman
The problem with the Libertarian Party isn't libertarianism; the problem is the libertarians.
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@ILikePie5
First of all, I don't recall ever saying whether I used to be a Republican. However, I don't see how it matters. Calling me a RINO is like calling you a DINO. You aren't a DINO because you're not a Democrat. I am not a RINO because I am not a Republican.
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@ILikePie5
Um, no, I'm not. A RINO is a Reblican In Name Only. I am simply not a Republican, period.
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This thread is reason #37 why I am not a Republican, despite being very much on the right.
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@badger
Yeah, my bad. On other sites NK meant to no kill. Was more a strat than to refer to some phase or whatever. NK's were common, was lots of game mechanics to game.
Gotcha.
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@badger
If wylted is BP, why didn't he lead with that instead of speculating about the doctor?
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@badger
Oh, you were saying that mafia was terrible if they did waive, not if they didn't. Well, scratch my thoughts about mafia waiving.
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@badger
Your justification makes sense. In this game, that's almost suspicious!
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@badger
The Wylted report probably comes close to confirming him town but for the number of vanilla townies in the game.
It's certainly a point in his favor. I am still interested in seeing his claim, though.
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@Danielle
@PREZ-HILTON
I'm intrigued by your case against Wylted. Contradictory logic is probably a little less suspicious from him than it would be from another player, but it's not nothing.
Wylted, I would be very interested in seeing your claim.
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So far, everyone has denied having a role that could explain the lack of an NK (or claimed a different role) except for Whiteflame, Wylted, and Danielle. Wylted hinted that his role involved lynches, so I doubt that it could stop an NK. Whiteflame talked about the different possible explanations as though he didn't know. Danielle said that she thought she knew what role could have done that.
After I posted my theories, I realized there were at least two town roles that could do it. I decided it to keep my guesses to myself to avoid giving scum possible fake claims. However, I doubt either of those roles are out there, as I would expect they would have been claimed. Still possible, though. It's also still possible that there is another town role I haven't thought of that could stop an NK without giving the player a reason to claim.
The most likely alternative to a town role that stopped the NK is that the mafia waived. But why would they waive? Not to try to fake town confirmation, obviously. Why then? Waiving an NK without attempting to fake town confirmation is very rare on DART. This seems to suggest that mafia has at least one player who has experience playing mafia on a different website where waiving was more common, which would likely be badger, Danielle, or Wylted. Of course, that's a rather tame inference, since POE alone would suggest that at least one of them is scum.
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@badger
Since you've role claimed, you may as well character claim (unless you have already and I missed it).
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@That2User
MC isn't entirely lynchproof, MC can get lynched in MYLO/LYLO
When did Mharman or Chris say that?
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@ILikePie5
I can neither confirm nor deny your allegations.
If I did, my Illuminati higher-ups would be displeased.
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@badger
Mafia would never NK here or they're absolutely terrible (no offense, if so).
Why not?
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@zedvictor4
Have you seen the video on YouTube where Dubya actually does stand-up comedy?
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@ILikePie5
Heh. I am a man, not a woman, and a Christian, not a Mormon. I think you can rule those two out.
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@ILikePie5
It's a Calvin and Hobbes reference. Calvin uses that line when he doesn't want to tell the evil aliens from planet Q-13 the information he knows. I use it when I don't want to give out personal information. How would that do anything? Paranoia. Plus, I have to keep up my image as a privacy-obsessed knight.
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@Danielle
@MisterChris
@badger
Vote for Chris. We need to find out if he's a 1x lynchproof mafia or something like that.
And Chris, if you are just a lynchproof town, you should have no issue voting for yourself.
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@ILikePie5
Wild zontars could never drag that information out of me!
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