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@Ayyantu
Behavior is definitely not confirming. They are a good indicator of who is and isn't scum, but they are not confirming. I can point you to a number of games where town consistently townread scum.
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@Ayyantu
I don't think anyone can be confirmed by behavior alone. A good scum player knows how to appear town. Looks can be deceiving.
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@Lunatic
Well, he clearly isn't nobody.
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@Ayyantu
Luna, I don't think I'm who you think I am, btw.
But you could be, right? You might be someone you don't think you are. What if your actual identity isn't who you identify as and you're really the person you think you're not? What then, huh?
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@Lunatic
I suppose we could try to analyze what he says, but there would be so much WIFOM involved we might as well analyze a sausage McMuffin.
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@Vader
Yes I am because mod said so
You're dead but you're allowed to talk in the DP? That doesn't make any sense.
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We lost our tracker. That's disappointing.
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@Lunatic
Once again, the lynch you pushed all DP1 was spot on. You're on a roll.
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@Lunatic
Do we report things accurately, especially in a time where there's no way for people to be fact checked? When they write stuff down how much of it has political or learned social biases in the narrative? A lot of people dismiss the roswell saucer sightings, bigfoot sightings, lochness sightings etc. Obviously without seeing something ourselves it's hard to validate any of that. But as a human we are prone to exageration or relaying information based on interpretation rather than what actually happened.
I agree. Humans are definitely capable of being wrong, even when they are being honest. They are also capable of misinterpreting what they see. What makes the Bible different is that God was inspiring the Biblical writers. He ensured that what they wrote would be accurate.
If you tell a story to your friend Bob, and Bob tells the story to Kate, and Kate to Terry, you might notice quite a different story from what you originally told by the time Terry get's around to telling the story back to you. Classic Telephone game they play with kids in elementary school shows us how social interpretation influences a narrative, and thats usually with a small class object group of like 25 kids or less.
Telephone and text are different. If I have 25 people copy something in text, it will turn out more accurate than if those same people communicated it verbally. It definitely won't be perfect, but it will still be better.
Now take that same story from the bible, translate it quite a few times, and pass it a long through thousands of years
Actually, it only has to go through one translation from copies that were only passed down a few hundred years. That's the advantage of having copies in the original languages that are relatively early. Now, that still sounds bad, but that's where science comes into it. The Bible isn't the only ancient book that's survived. Scholars can look at all the different copies and see what they have in common. If 50 copies say X and only 3 copies say Y, the 50 are probably correct, all else being equal. However, if those 50 copies are all from the same place and time, but the 3 copies are from different places from earlier times, the 3 copies would be preferred because the 50 likely share the same error. It gets pretty involved. The point is that the more copies you have from many different places as close to the time of the original writing as possible, the better. In that respect, the Bible is far and away the most reliable ancient document. To put that in numbers, the NT has 20,000 usable copies (most don't have the whole thing) and the OT 5000 (iirc). The next best is Homer's Iliad at 600. In short, if we can't trust the copies of the Bible we have today to be accurate to the originals, then we may as well toss the entirety of ancient literature.
I know that phrasing sounds like I am being a Dick (I am not trying to be, I promise)
I know you're not. It's cool.
I once read this book about Witches and Wizards who can run trolley's through invisible walls in train stations and end up in a magical realm where they can go to school and learn magic. If anyone tries to tell me that isn't real, they are probably insane. Especially if it's some majestical belief defying being.
There's a fundamental difference between that book and the Bible: the Bible claims to be true, whereas that book claims to be fiction. Now, claiming to be true isn't evidence that it is true; however, if something admits to being false, then we can eliminate it without a second thought (unless you're Snopes fact-checking the Babylon Bee). If it claims to be true, then we have to analyze whether it is true (which is a whole other, much longer discussion).
but that's just a point I am making to highlight how wierd it would be to trust a book like that over something that looks and feels like an actual God telling you otherwise. I can't comprehend how you wouldn't take the word of God instead.
Because I am taking the Word of God instead. I'm not trying to be snarky with that, but that's why. I have something that I'm sure is God's Word. If something were to look and feel like God, but said things that contradicted what I know God has said, then I know it's not really God.
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@Lunatic
You don't think there could be any human error in the Bible?
Depends what you mean by human error. I don't think the originals had any human error. I could be wrong about that, but I don't think I am. The copies that we have today definitely have some errors in them. No matter how good a translation is, there will always be some meaning lost or gained in translation. Also, there are going to be some copyist errors introduced along the way. However, there are a lot of old copies of the Bible, or parts of it, that go back really close to when it was written. Relatively speaking, that is. For example, Julius Caesar's history of the Gaulic wars only has 9 or 10 copies from 1000 years after it was written. The New Testament has thousands of copies, many of which are from only a few hundred years from when it was written. Scholars estimate that the New Testament is 99% accurate to the original. The Old Testament is similar, though not quite as good. None of the passages that aren't certain have any serious theological impact.
I mean if God really approached you and had a good long talk with you and corrected many points that could have been lost in interpretation, or mis-understood
I'd definitely believe that. It's not only possible but certain (well, virtually certain, anyway) that my interpretation or understanding of the Bible isn't 100% correct. I'm not infallible, and neither is anyone else on the planet.
or even said the whole thing was outright not his word,
In that case I wouldn't believe that the person talking to me was God, unless I was dead and there was absolutely no question about it.
then accept the fact that an ancient book translated and passed down multiple times through many generations could have a single flaw in it?
I think I answered that part already.
I find that a bit perplexing.
There's a verse in the Bible that says that if Christ didn't rise from the dead as we Christians believe, then we are to be pitied as fools. So if I'm following a God who isn't real, or if there is a God and I'm following the wrong one, then I am absolutely a fool, and you are right to be perplexed at my folly.
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@Lunatic
His facial expression and wide eyed pretend "serious" look gets me everytime.
That's the best part.
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@Lunatic
Yeah, he's really good. His sense of humor is amazing.
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@Lunatic
I believe that the Bible is God's Word, and that God does not lie and does not change. So if some voice claimed to be God and told me something that contradicts the Bible, then I would know that it wasn't God. That doesn't necessarily mean it would be Satan - it could just be me going insane - but I would be sure that it wasn't God.
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@Lunatic
It's probably because most scumteams lack the sheer awesomeness that we had.
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@Intelligence_06
Oh yes. That's old Illuminati tech. Time travel, knowledge inheritance, teleportation - those are the keys to world domination.
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@Amoranemix
The quote button transfers poorly to Open Office and I suspect to any word processing application. It is inconvenient to have to copy text snippets of one's post interlined with quote fields in which have to be copied quotes.
Yes. You have to use the word processor on the site to use the quote function, unless there's a workaround that I'm unaware of.
If I understand correctly, there is no preview function.
There is a preview function for debate arguments, but not for anything else.
So, what is the quote syntax ?
I don't know how the syntax works. The easiest way is to use the quote button on the site. If there is a syntax for quoting beyond clicking the quote button, you should probably ask the site's owner @Debateart.com. You can tag him (and anyone else) by writing his name in the Receivers box.
I notice also spaces tend to disappear.I think they vanish when copied over from Open Office Writer.
Yes, that frequently happens when copy/pasting from a word processor. It's annoying. Hopefully that bug gets fixed at some point.
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@Amoranemix
Welcome to the site. You can quote posts by clicking the button with double quotes on it. It's to the right of the Underline button. Then you can copy-paste the text you want to quote into the quote feature.
I am coming over lately from DDO.How can I get a preview of my post ?
Like this.
Or if you want to quote a post that quotes another post:
I am coming over lately from DDO.How can I get a preview of my post ?
You can put another quote inside the first quote.
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@MisterChris
I'd confess that I'm an Illuminati reptile, but half of you already knew that, and none of you cared, so...
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@Crocodile
This is Crocism.
A far-left political ideology that is designed to be a complete joke.
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@Crocodile
Stop me if I'm asking too much, but was Crocism your idea or your uncle's?
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@Crocodile
I would never have guessed if you hadn't said so. I thought you seemed a bit different than I remembered from before I took a break from the site, but I'd put it down to my own bad memory. Anyway, what's your opinion on alligators?
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To my nephew,
It's coming again: Thanksgiving, one of the few times you get to see your least favorite uncle. You aren't looking forward to it, but I most certainly am. I'll walk in the door proudly wearing my MAGA hat and pretend to be surprised by your cousin's fiance. I'll say, "That, erm, dark-skinned man, was he invited?" And you'll stand there and die inside. My brother - your dad - will glare at me fiercely, but I'll just pretend I don't notice. We'll sit down at the table for dinner. Your dad will pray over the meal, and I'll make a point of saying "Amen!" just a little too loudly when he's done. As we eat, your mom will ask us to say what we're most thankful for. Everyone else will say something happy and cliche like family or being together. But like the good patriot I am, I'll loudly proclaim that I'm thankful that Trump is fighting back against the deep state's coup to steal the election. Boy, that's gonna be fun! We'll argue until we're blue in the face. I'll be sure to send plenty of leering looks at your mom as she holds her head in her hands, silently wishing she hadn't invited me. I'll go off on a rant about how them stupid libs want all those illegal Mexican invaders to vote. Your dad will somehow get me to leave the table so he can talk to me in private. Of course, everyone will know that he'll be telling me to quit talking about politics. Of course, I'll pretend to agree. Of course, as soon as I step back into the room, I'll say that I'll be leaving early. Of course, I'll be sure to take a parting shot about the "gay agenda" as I head out the door. I'll be laughing as I leave, knowing that your purple-haired crazy SJW Aunt Claire is going to lecture you in a super-triggered, shrill tone about what a deplorable bitter clinger I am. For. Three. Hours. If you thought I was crazy, just wait till she starts femi-splaining nutty denunciations of me, the Republican party, and alt-right neo-Nazis - which to her are indistinguishable. And that will complete another successful Thanksgiving. After all, what better way to give thanks than to divide the family with hyperpartisan talking points? Sure, you may hate me now and wish I wasn't part of the family. But, let me tell you, kid, when you've lived as long as I have and drank as many beers as I have - okay, that second one probably isn't possible - you'll realize that I was right about those commies all along. Don't worry. You'll learn. But you'll hate me for every minute of it.
Sincerely,
Your crazy conservative Uncle.
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@BearMan
First time I've been rickrolled. I must admit, I thought it was funny. Although I will say that there's a reason I've never done that in the Bard, although I was pretty tempted to do it once.
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@BearMan
Sorry to hear that you're leaving. I wish you well in life. There are more important things in life than debate websites.
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@Vader
Yea it was mostly for you because you haven't been solid on any reads at all besides this one, leading me to believe you as light scum
I very rarely have solid reads in DP1. Of course, it's also pretty rare for people to fake claim as a reaction test when they're at L-2.
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@Vader
Because no one does reaction tests using a fake claim at L-2.
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@Vader
Yea so I lied as well. I was just getting a reaction from Sir and you (the self proclaimed "Master" of role analysis"). I'm a Bulletproof
A reaction test with a fake claim at L-2. I'm not buying it.
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@Speedrace
No lol. There's no way xD
That's what I figured. Supa clinging to a scum read based on bad logic didn't seem unusual, but that claim is ridiculous. VTL Supa
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It says that I am used as a source of light to guide Link by setting fires and I am one of the 3 potions that I can learn. Dins Fire can however attract people in the cave because of it's brightness. I am a 1x Messenger. I'm guessing that I attract people is me sending a mail, idk
As I said, I know nothing about Legend of Zelda. Does this sound plausible to anyone else?
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@Vader
Ok, I know nothing about Legend of Zelda, but I looked up Din's Fire. I'd be really interested in knowing what possible justification you could have to make Din's Fire a Messenger.
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@Vader
I had to look that role up. Sounds similar to Pie's role in Speed's first MCU mafia.
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Just looked at BearMan's profile and saw this line:
I have left the site.
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@BearMan
/out next DP
You're quitting?
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@Speedrace
All I know is that neither post was addressed to me, because I would have been notified who it was in that case.
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@Speedrace
It wouldn't do any good. I'm subbed to the thread, so all the notification said was that there was a new post to the thread.
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@BearMan
If you want a lynch, lynch intelligence
I thought you only wanted to pressure him. Whatever. I don't see any good reasons to lynch Intelligence, nor do I see any good reasons to not lynch him. I'm not enthused about lynching someone I read as null.
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@Speedrace
Why'd you delete your post
That's actually the second time I've clicked on a notification to this thread only to find out the post was deleted. I don't know who did it either time, though.
FYI to whoever's doing it, deleting posts is against the rules.
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We have less than 10 hours to decide on a lynch.
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@Barney
if you feel you're that gullible, we double it up with a clarifying statement under consequences: "In most cases, a “reasonable person” standard will be utilized."
That was savage.
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@Intelligence_06
What are your reads?
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@Tradesecret
It's almost getting to the point where everything in the Religion forum is addressed to you.
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@Crocodile
Thanks for changing that.
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@Crocodile
That's in really poor taste.
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@BearMan
If you die in the night comeback and say "Tis but a scratch" pls
If that happens, sure. I've never actually been night killed before. The mafia aren't dumb enough to waste a shot on someone with reads as bad as mine. So far, anyway.
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@BearMan
bruh i meant to put power role
That's not an improvement.
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@BearMan
Found it.
It's not enough to warrant a lynch. My reasoning for lean-scumming Intel was that I would think mafia would just let Ayyantu be lynched by him/herself. Since Intel was just giving a slight passive push in an Ayyantu lynch, he seems a bit scummy. This is just a thought though so not enough to warrant a lynch.I have a reason to believe Ayyantu is not scum, meaning I think that Intel is in the slightest bit scummy.
After playing as mafia with Intelligence, I just don't see him following that thought process. Maybe if he has a veteran partner, I suppose.
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@BearMan
I never once said Ayyantu was scum, and I flipped into lynching Ayyantu for like a minute until I researched what the supposed role was.
I looked back again, and you're right. My bad.
You can lynch me, but I suspect that losing an investigative role isn't the best for the town.
Dude, why would you say that? You just put a target on your back for the mafia to shoot at.
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How are there four votes on Intelligence but only one person is even trying to explain why? I suppose town wouldn't lose a lot with his lynch unless he's a PR, but I still don't get it.
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@WaterPhoenix
@Crocodile
Well, that was weirdly synchronized. Not scummy, but quite amusing.
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