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@Vader
Luna said he was vig. He's confirmed IMO
I agree. The only possible way he isn't is if he's a serial killer or something, but I doubt that.
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@Lunatic
*drops mic*
Mic drops are almost always cringey. That one was earned.
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@Greyparrot
its very likely scum team knew who pie was as in the last game...and speed knows this since speed was scum which makes speed absolutely sus for not bringing this up.
For not bringing what up? I don't follow.
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I honestly find the GP wagon pretty silly. Why on earth would scum ever claim that the mod was hiding their role? There is no way GP would do that of his own accord.
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@Greyparrot
I wonder what role you could have that would make sense to hide until NP3?
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@Vader
Did he actually say when he would know his role? I'll have to look that up now.
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@Dr.Franklin
It wasn't the state that made the error. It was Decision Desk HQ.
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@Greyparrot
Also, I won't know what my role is for another day if I read my pm correctly
That's honestly pretty funny. I'm guessing that was targeted at you.
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How many hints? You never be sure! I'll tell you there's six but technically more.
I wonder what that means?
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@Lunatic
Gotta give it to you. You nailed it. Well done.
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@Vader
I agree, but I think it might be too late for that.
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@Dr.Franklin
well in michigan they added 138k votes out of nowhere
No, they didn't. That came from Decision Desk HQ website. For one of the counties, the guy entering the data for the website accidentally added a 0 to the votes for Biden. The 138k votes were nothing but a typo on an election-tracking website that has nothing to do with actually counting the votes.
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Also, does town have any good roles?* A deathproof that most people don't trust? A super saint who kills anyone who hammers him? A compulsive vig who's forced to shoot when there's no lynch? What could possibly go wrong with that?
*If you can't tell, that's a rhetorical question. Please don't actually answer it.
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@oromagi
It isn't that I'm opposed to data. I'm just opposed to scum having said data.It's always a balance, right?
Yep.
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@Lunatic
That has some serious issues if we end up in MYLO. That is, there won't be MYLO, because your role turns MYLO into LYLO.
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@oromagi
It isn't that I'm opposed to data. I'm just opposed to scum having said data.
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@oromagi
Do we really need more info about people's roles? I don't see how that helps town more than it helps scum.
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@Intelligence_06
If you can find a better lynch, then, by all means, go right ahead. However, may I suggest that, if you can't find a better one, that you return your vote to Pie?
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@Greyparrot
Pretty sure you tagged the wrong person there.
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@Lunatic
I guess it would solve the problem and free up next DP. That actually sounds better the more I think about it.
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@oromagi
Pie already confirmed that the DP will end if he is lynched.
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@oromagi
It also kills a towny. I don't think that's worth it.
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@oromagi
It achieves nothing that lynching him doesn't achieve. There is no point in you dying.
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@oromagi
In that case, your plan would just end in your death for no reason.
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@Intelligence_06
A Judas is a role that starts affiliated with town. If they are lynched, they survive, but switch to scum. I played a Judas once in the Captain America Civil War game. It's an interesting role, but it's almost too easy to win as a Judas if you play your cards right.
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@oromagi
which we can't assume but what do you think about the argument that hammering Pie is more likely to be bad news than good news?
I think it's mostly speculative. If he's a jester, Judas, or hunter, it's bad news. If he's anything else, it's either good news or neutral.
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@Vader
What's the reasoning behind your conditional reads?
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@LikeMagic
Lunatic, because of the riddle.
Greyparrot, because he didn't start with a role, and I don't think Danielle would do that to scum. Also, his play seems town.
If I had to pick a third, probably oromagi. I don't see scum claiming that role.
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@oromagi
TOWN should find someone else to lynch and VIG Pie at the earliest opportunity.
That assumes there's a vig.
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@LikeMagic
That's good to know. I wouldn't have thought of that.
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@Vader
I must again recommend that you not reveal anything about your role that could in any way be useful to scum.
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@Vader
I would advise against giving any further information about your role.
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@Lunatic
Okay then so why delete the part that proves him wrong then?
Brevity. Really, that was as much thought as I put into it.
Is there an alternative lynch that you feel is solid enough to detract from the importance of testing pie?
No.
What are the consequences?
Unless he's a jester, not a lot, I suppose.
Regardless, you can't deny his behavior doesn't make sense if he's telling the truth.
Which is why I haven't denied it. His behavior is dumb at best, scummy at worst.
I need a solid reason not to lynch him today.
Now that I think about it, I guess I don't really have one.
VTL Pie
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@Greyparrot
We should test pie
It's beginning to look like it will be Pie or no one at all. If that does turn out to be the case, I think we may as well test Pie.
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@ILikePie5
At this point, I think town just needs to know. Are you 1x?
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@Lunatic
This is where you are buying what mike is throwing down without questioning it.
I'm not unquestionably buying anything. My conclusions are my own.
We only have to lynch him twice if there are no results confirming him, and buy into the 1x lynchproof theory.
I do see your point that we might not have to lynch him twice. However, lynching him once only gains us anything if we get results or if he has this or that role. That's a gamble. It might be the right gamble, though. I'm not sure.
Why is stupid townie more likely than any of the other options? Because you want it to be?
No. Because more people are town than are scum. Pie is too eager to be lynched. That's suspicious; it's far from conclusive.
All that is to say that you could be right about lynching him, but I'm not sure. However, I do know one way to be a little more sure.
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@Greyparrot
@oromagi
@Intelligence_06
What are your thoughts on Lunatic and Pie?
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@LikeMagic
I mean it's literally riddle mafia so I fully expected riddles and clues and some tomfoolery
I feel dumb for not noticing that. I think that makes Mikal's theory much less likely.
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@Lunatic
I think there is a 0 % chance this is likely, and I think deep down you do to.
I would recommend against a career in mind-reading.
The only town motives he has behaviorally for acting the way he is, is if he is hunter or saulus.
That's possible, but it's also possible that he's just being dumb town.
In which case lynching him is still the appropriate move.
The trouble with lynching Pie is that we would have to do it twice. I think it's quite possible that you're right and that we should lynch him. However, I think stupid town is more likely. If lynching Pie once was sufficient, I'd probably vote for him. But since we would need to lynch him twice, I think the risk outweighs the gain.
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@Mikal
Played with Luna enough to know he questions everything. Also this gambit is up his alley.That riddle is bastard modding period. If written by the mod.Its way to obvious.Either insta kills a townie first npOr brings susc to them as scumIt's why I think mafia could submit it.
That makes lots of sense and no sense at the same time. The riddle, wherever it comes from, is totally bizarre. It's not something I would expect a mod to do, especially without announcing that there would be special rules like that before hand. On the other hand, it seems even more ridiculous that a mod would allow scum to put words in the mod's mouth.
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