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@BearMan
How DARE you use public internet where I can see it. It's on my computer, so I own it! I've been on this forum longer than you have. I know everyone here. And let me tell you, we're all very annoyed and worried that you continually use OUR forum. I'll call the police if you don't leave! I'll call 911! Get off my internet!
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@Barney
Those are good ideas, but you'll be making RM work like a madman to get the Power Behind the Throne medal (unless he really is leaving permanently).
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@Greyparrot
Ok, I give up. I genuinely can't tell if you're serious or joking, although I suspect the latter.
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@Speedrace
Also for the record, drafter requested to be replace, I didn't kick him from the game
Ok.
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@drafterman
Yes, this pretty much hits the nail on the head. I don't think this issue is debatable. I do think I'm objectively right.
You turned out to be right, and Speed admitted to his mistake.
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@Lunatic
@drafterman
I can understand being frustrated about people not seeing eye to eye on you with this, but to insinuate that people don't give a sh1t about you because of this is really just wrong. You are very loved and respected in the community regardless if people agree with you on every topic or not.I can use my recent interaction with the mods as an example here: I was pretty vocal about thinking the mods were wrong in regards to their decision about banning rationalmadman, someone who I don't even neccesarily like. I argued with them for a few days about it until ultimately they stopped responding and told me they were gonna do what they wanted to do regardless. My first impulse wasn't to say fvck everyone in the community then, I am leaving. I acknowledge that we don't see eye to eye on the issue but I ultimately was happy that they even listened to my appeal and talked to me about it. At the end of they day I know they are trying their best and it's impossible for them to get it right all the time. I don't think that they don't give a sh1t about me because they don't agree with me on this.Same with you. I guarantee you that if you messaged most of the mafia community and asked you what they thought of you, they would have nothing but good things to say about you. Hell, I think it's safe to say that mafia wouldn't even exist on this website without your efforts to revive it, same with your noob game initiative on DDO. You've done more for the mafia community than anyone else, so why abandon all of that because a few people dis-agree with you on one thing?
100% agree with this. Assigning malice and quitting is a poor solution.
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@Speedrace
It was partly in spite, yes. I had been thinking of making the rule beforehand but decided to during the convo with drafter
I would say that acting in spite was a mistake.
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@ILikePie5
Drafter blocked Lunatic during the game. Speed made a rule banning blocking players in the game and replaced drafter.
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@drafterman
Usually, when someone is the target of a wrongful act the focus on the person who committed the wrongful act in telling them what they should have done differently.
Point taken.
And yet he hasn't given any indication that he thinks he's done anything wrong that needs improvement.
Ok.
I wish I didn't have to convince people that this was a wrongful act or argue with people that this is something that should be reacted to and resisted.
I agree that it was wrong and that it should be reacted to. I just disagree with your reaction.
But if this treatment is what is considered acceptable in Mafia games around here (and no one is saying it isn't)
Yes, it was wrong. At the same time, a certain level of mistakes are tolerable. If Speed makes a habit of making rules in the middle of games, then it will definitely be a bigger issue. However, that hasn't happened yet and I don't see him making a habit out of it.
then I don't want to play those Mafia games.
While the rest of us would appreciate it if you keep playing, that's up to you.
It'd be really nice if someone told that to him.
You're right, and I probably should have done that earlier. I was so relieved at winning that I didn't think about it.
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@Greyparrot
You're done with Trump?
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@drafterman
To be clarify my previous post, I think you're right that Speed was wrong to do that. I just disagree with your reaction to it.
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@drafterman
Sir objects now that I've explicitly made this a sticking point, but given a chance to respond initially, he was more concerned about grammar.
The grammar thing was a joke. The reason I didn't react until you made the rule a sticking point was because I didn't expect you to make a sticking point out of it. Based off what I know, Speed probably shouldn't have done that. However, you're making a mountain out of a molehill here. You could have protested the rule immediately and talked through it with Speed. I think you know that he's not a bad or unreasonable person. He would have listened to you. You could have worked it out. Instead, you chose to delete your role list, threaten to leave the site, and throw around overgeneralized accusations about how people aren't supporting you. Sure, Speed probably messed up. He's human. It happens. One mistake isn't enough cause for everyone to boycott his games; it's cause for him to improve how he mods games and be more careful rather than reacting in the heat of the moment. Your accusations that people aren't supporting you because they aren't making a big stink about it are honestly ludicrous. I'm not trying to be mean or belittle your concerns. I get that you think you were treated unfairly and are mad. That's ok. But you are seriously overreacting here. Again, I'm not trying to be mean, but I'm not going to sugarcoat it either.
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@drafterman
I agree that making a rule just to spite a particular player is wrong. However, I don't have access to the mod chat. I can't see what was said behind the scenes, so I have no information on which to make a judgment.
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@Speedrace
literally...to paraphrase
This bothers my inner Grammar Nazi.
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I think it's clear at this point that the mods have already said all they're going to say on this subject.
I guess I have to retract this statement already.
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@RationalMadman
Your silence speaks for itself.
You waited seven minutes after challenging people to speak before writing this comment.
What is it he said that was true and significant?
He pointed out that it was silly to ask him to stay out of this thread and then accuse him of being scared for staying out of the thread. He also linked to a thread in which he defended the decision of the moderation team. I think it's clear at this point that the mods have already said all they're going to say on this subject.
To be clear, I have nothing against you. Although I've followed this bit of drama, I haven't looked into it deeply. Why? Simply because I know the moderators are human. I know they will make mistakes. They are going to make decisions that I disagree with. In your case, there are arguments to be made on both sides. Reasonable people can look at these things and disagree without having to be malicious or deceitful. You're free to disagree with their decisions, but it won't do you or anyone else a lick of good to throw around accusations of malice. Once again, I have absolutely nothing against you.
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@Vader
NICK FOLES IS A GODDAMN LEGEND!!!!
Don't be ridiculous. He totally didn't do anything epic like be a backup QB who won the Super Bowl.
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@drafterman
I see that you're still coming online occasionally. Just thought I'd tell you that you're still welcome here. You don't have to leave.
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@skittlez09
Yeah, your wagon was pretty ridiculous. We had to invent some evidence to make it work. Fake watcher results on Chris combined with RB'ing him to "confirm" those results were needed to make it work. However, that was pretty easy to arrange.
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@Lunatic
@oromagi
You were actually really ****ing good that game. If you were just a little more forceful selling your reads I think you could have hurt us lol
Yeah, you were on to us. Good job.
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@Vader
I forgot and thought you were talking about skittlez. My bad. But no, I wouldn't have gotten on the wagon if he was at L-2. I'm an indecisive player in DP1. I take my time. I don't get on lynches that quickly without a really compelling reason. If you want to guess at what ScumAnonymous would do, just think about what TownAnonymous would do and you have your answer.
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@Vader
SirAnon wasn't on Intel and would've been on
No way. I wasn't going to touch that lynch with a 39 and a half foot pole. I was playing like I was town as best as I could, and there was no way I would have voted for skittlez as town.
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@Lunatic
@MisterChris
You should have seen our debates in the mafia chat. It took us a long time to decide what to do in DP3. Blaming skittlez and me on the basis that skittlez would be lynched first was Lunatic's idea. It turned out to be very big brained indeed. He was a great partner.
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@Speedrace
I thought the balance was good in this game. Good job!
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@MisterChris
Now you know how I felt in my first forum mafia game.
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@Vader
SupaDudz - Outting as lover was a terrible idea
It helped us figure out who the PRs were. It would have been a much harder victory if you hadn't claimed.
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@Speedrace
The roleblocker might have been a bit too powerful (maybe should've been a godfather instead) but otherwise was good.
Come on, man. It was totally awesome. We just got lucky that we hit the watcher with our first shot.
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@MisterChris
I hope not. Lunatic's said he's in the armed forces before. I'd lose pretty quickly in a boxing match against him.
All (bad) jokes aside, you're probably right. He's got the advantage in mafia as well, though. He has a lot more arguments under his belt than I do.
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@Lunatic
So I am batgirl, the universal back up. Basically I took over as vigilante for batman in gotham city after his 3 year dis-appearance and the streets of gotham erupting into chaos. My role works so that I take over the first town role that dies. So I am a watcher, and yes with oro being back there are currently two watchers.I watched misterchris, and he was visited by Skittlez.So obviously Skittlez is scum here, and I think siranonymous is his partner, but this basically confirms the two lovers as town. I think scum were banking on using them as todays mislynch.
So either you or skittlez are scum. I know I'm town, and the lovers can't be mafia, and oromagi 3.78232 is town. Furthermore, if Chris is scum, then skittlez must also be scum because of their roles. By POE, the only possible scum teams are skittlez and Chris, making you town, or skittlez and you, which would mean that this is a big brain Lunatic gambit to "confirm" you as town by "catching" your teammate. Either way, skittlez is scum. VTL skittlez
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@Speedrace
Oh. I'm so confused right now. That's too many resurrections and replacements.
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So Ragnar was killed but resurrected as Drafter, then oro was lynched, then Ragnar was killed again, then oro was resurrected as Ragnar resurrected as drafterman, so three people have now played the same role. This makes no sense. We should almost lynch oro again just to see how Speed finds a way to resurrect Ragnar playing oro's role.
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@oromagi
I don't think anyone is suggesting that you are a scum BP. If you're scum, you're almost certainly not a BP.
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@oromagi
Thanks. If you aren't scum, we're gonna need it.
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@Lunatic
Sir is obviously sus if oro flips town by some miracle, but he's basically town confirmed if oro flips guilty from the two protective role theory.
I don't really buy your two protective role theory. I think two protective roles are definitely possible in order to balance the lovers. I sus oro for other reasons, though.
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@Barney
Anyone already give a proper grilling on this? As we can see in the graveyard, proper names might not be given, but Arrow is the name of Oliver Queen's show, to which he was known as The Hood and Green Arrow, as opposed to just "Arrow."
Speed just called him the Arrow.
And while I know scum could fake it, who did you protect NP1?
Supa.
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@Barney
Top of this page.
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@oromagi
Oh. I have to admit that I don't read those closely, so I didn't notice. I probably should pay more attention to those.
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@ILikePie5
sqrt(-1) 2^3 Epsilon 3.14...
...and it was delicious.
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@oromagi
Why are you voting for Lunatic now? I thought you scum read me and Chris.
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@MisterChris
Why not. It's obvious from my character that I'm a power role, so there's no point in hiding it. I'm the doctor. My justification is that Arrow sacrificed himself to save Earth.
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