SirAnonymous

By the way, I know for a fact Drafterman was a town. 

In fact, I think everybody should claim character because if we don't hit scum today our chances are pretty bad.

as I keep saying, consistency is SCUM trait.  TOWN has to keep multiple possibilities in mind.

What is your character claim?

essentially, we have two claims so far, MILLER and two LOVERs.  Of these, I find MILLER more likely than LOVERs. 

It seems like we have somebody claims MILLER DP1 fairly frequently in recent games.  The fact that skit is following form only demonstrates that he's probably been paying more attention to games than he lets on.

The LOVERS claim is rarer and more suspicious. 

• LOVERS can be TOWN, SCUM, or mixed.  As drafter cautions, balance analysis mid-game is fraught  but I still note that In a nine person role madness game, two TOWN lovers represent a vulnerable, unpowered quarter or even third.  Two SCUM LOVERS seems even less likely- one lucky lynch on DP1 and the game might be over.  
  
• But a TOWN/SCUM mix might make sense and certainly adds to the madness. 
  
• But Supa explicitly says that his PM exonerates both him and Intel as TOWN.  MafiaWiki suggests such disclosures are normal play.
  
• But why then would Supa FOS Intel in #105, 106.  IF Supa is TOWN and knows for sure that Intel is town, he might defend him or he might stay quiet but why on earth would he be putting distance between them?  Supa says, "major red flag" "slight scum read" and then an hour later he's saying he's my LOVER.  A good TOWN player who wanted to preserve Intel might say "don't ask me why but I can vouch for Intel"  or reveal nothing and argue Intel is TOWN but what possible advantage to TOWN could sus'ing Intel offer?
  
• perhaps because some LOVERS can have a TP wincon and Supa was thinking like SCUM?
  

Obviously, we don't have a lot of data yet and lynching an un-cc'd LOVER in DP1 would be mad but of the three claims so far I find Supa's least likely to be true.  If the LOVERS survive NP1, I'm going to have a hard time reading them as TOWN.

I never did.  Both claim that Speed PM gave "you are both TOWN."  So half/half wasn't ever really an option.  They are both TOWN or BOTH SCUM.  The idea that the game could end with a single lucky lynch DP1 never seemed very likely so I read them as both TOWN but I wanted to give SCUM a reason to keep them alive.

sure but to what utility.  It definitely attracts attention but if you don't want investigation you are better off claiming PGO.  A bomb claim dissuades NK but no other act, therefore much more likely TOWN.

I am still scum reading Skittlez

OK so I VTL'd SirA for character claim 13 hours ago and he went with OMGUS.

We were told in OP that there is no theme split so nobody should have much problem with revealing character, particularly when were down to picking 2 scum out of a 3 person pile with one DP left.

Bette is a bomb defusal expert who is transformed into a human bomb who spontaneously combusts anyone she touches.  Better is essentially a one episode villain.

The picture leads us to exactly one character claim and that character is incredibly on the nose for the role of BOMB while also having so little history that any other ROLE claim seems unlikely.

The connection is pretty straightforward.  You say its only a guess but I can't think of alternative explanations.  What are your alternative explanations?

Anyways... I am conflicted here. I was really banking on results last phase and we have none. I still think the lover pair was town, but that's mostly because I think mafia were leaving you alive for a mislynch after the lengthy discussion of it last phase. Oro has explained his reasons for why he said that and they feel kind of genuine, but I am sure he could spin it that way as scum. I think I should probably weigh the situation better when I am sober. I am not discounting chris or sir either. Chris feels really town to me, and sir is hard to read in general. Drafter felt scummy to me too, so Ragnar isn't out of the question. I think my focus is on one of those four this phase.

Scum have the power to kill people who annoy them. Had he been scum, he would have killed Lunatic at night, then passed it off as mafia trying to frame him.

Further, were I in the scum team what would my reborn tactic be? ... Consider how easily I could twist information gained as a watcher. It would be an overpowering edge for scum. As town I’m a suboptimal replacement, but available in a hurry, so the game keeps going uninterrupted.

something that ive been thinking about in regards to draft, 

him getting hella pissed off at lunatic makes more sense if he was scum 

lets look at both scenarios 

Scenario: Drafter is town 

in this scenario drafter wouldve been so pissed off an blocked lunatic an quit the site all over being pissed about waiting two days 

this scenario makes little sense but is possible prolly at a 30 % chance 

Scenario: Drafter is scum

this scenario drafter wouldve been pissed that things werent going his way an the lynch wasnt being rushed. this also explains his eagerness to lynch anyone later on in the dp when he kept flip flopping between me an oro. Drafters arguments failed an he got ticked an blocked lunatic. Than leaving the site. 

In my opinion the incident with drafter makes more sense if he was scum an combined with his bandwagoning behavior last dp it alligns 

id like to also mention that the experiment he pulled on me coulda easily been him trying to start up a wagon he possibly put the pressure off of me an claimed it was an experiment to gain some town cred 

SKITTLEZ:

ive had oro as scum before in my very first game actually 

in that game he was lurky an distant kinda like in this game 

whearas as when hes town hes far more involved 

He also admitted himself that he sucks as scum which would make sense cuz of the mistake he made earlier 

aint gonna lie this feels like scum oro but im honestly unsure 

So basically:

1. He says if the two lovers survive they are a solid scumread.

The lovers survive miraculously... 

A potential attempt at getting mislynches. 

2. He says he tried to draw out the nightkill, trying to buy town cred. Despite the fact that any smart town would NOT do such a thing. 

if he were genuinely town, it would be obvious that by saying this he throws away the utility of his role. No one, especially no one as smart as he is, would reveal their role after one failed gambit attempt for no reason. 

I have never played a game with him as scum. I do know that if he were town he would never pull moves like this.

drafterman was fake claiming BOMB, which is not the kind of thing one does as SCUM.

Yeh, & my best guess is that if there's a COP he checked out TUF.

Therefore, I'm down to SA and MrC

VTL Sir Anonymous

Character claim first, please

yes.  also I think you're scum.

@Drafter (which isn't playing but still a note)

Having a disagreement with someone in regards to a forum game isn't a warrant for a block. When two minds that are experienced and performed well butt, they usually engage in conversation. I know I have disagreed with Lunatic on the way I've played games and such, but I still consider him a good friend and wouldn't block him over a mafia game. I think it's childish to block someone and alot of the people that have blocked either have acted childish or are childish, e.g TRN

drafterman is being replaced. Please give me a bit to find his replacement

Oro decided to tempt scum into trying to nightkill him. It didn't work. Evidently he has a role that would be harmful to anyone who visits him and I think it is a good idea we know it. If you're worried about scum being given too much info, don't be. He admitted this information openly ruining any chance scum would try to do anything to him. Oromagi has basically thrown away the utility of his role. 

In light of this development and Oro's recent blunder essentially incentivizing mafia to spare the lovers and confuse us more, I am really starting to wonder about Oromagi. 

Speaking of which, my mood when I got called to the thread is basically this.

2 scum vs 6 town probably. Knowing that there is a high chance that 2 people will die under the same moon, it is basically MYLO here. We need to narrow it to 1 scum.