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Actually, I just realized something. By drafter's rules, the DP won't end until everyone votes, so inactives will either get active or be modkilled.
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@Vader
Yes, unless there is a really good reason to lynch someone else, which isn't likely to happen, oromagi should be our lynch this DP.
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@Vader
I know. I'm not saying we shouldn't lynch him. I'm saying we should lynch him, but we should do it later this DP.
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@Vader
He claimed that if he was targetted, he would turn scum. That is enough to do warrant a lynch fmpov and the mafia will already target him after claiming.
I agree, but I would rather do that later in the DP for reasons already stated.
Plus I don't like this claim either. Seems like a way to lure votes and stir controversy
What are you suggesting by this? Do you think he's a jester?
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@Singularity
As mafia, Greyparrot was able to skate through DP1 of JARGOM without making a single post. I don't want that to happen again.
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@ILikePie5
Agreed. The inactives need to start posting.
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@Singularity
If we lynch him immediately, this DP will have yielded almost no useful information. At the very least, we should wait until everyone is active. I do support an oro lynch later this DP.
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@Singularity
I don't think we should lynch oromagi until later in the DP. We might yet catch scum, and a longer DP gives us more information.
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@Vader
You don't like chocolate pretzels? Heretic.
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Oromagi's claim does mean that it's highly unlikely that there's a third party.
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@Pinkfreud08
@PressF4Respect
Activity would be appreciated.
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Mathematically speaking, we have to kill him while there are more than 6 players. Once we get down to 6 players, mafia will NK him and win with a 3 to split. This, of course, changes if we do catch scum. However, we need to watch the numbers of total players compared to the numbers of mafia and lynch him before it becomes possible for the mafia to win by NK'ing him and turning him to their side.
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Well, I doubt oromagi is lying, unless he's a jester. Should we lynch him now? I would say that we hold off on lynching him until later this DP in hopes of finding scum. What do you think?
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@Vader
I know. I doubt anyone has one, but it's possible.
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@ILikePie5
@Pinkfreud08
Please tell us your previous experience with Mafia and if you know any tips or tricks to the game.
Agreed. Let's get some pressure on inactives. We don't want to repeat DP2 of South Park. VTL Pink
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@Vader
Twilight phase roles exist, but I don't remember playing with any.
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@Vader
You got a justification? I didn't. Since WP seemed to imply that he got one, I doubt it means anything.
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@Speedrace
That would be swingy. Could be fun, though.
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What does everyone think? 3 scum? 2 scum? 2 scum and 1 TP?
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Ejected into the sun if we don't vote? That's not a cool way to go. Don't be so hot-headed.
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@drafterman
I'll take vig with 9 shots per night.
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@Speedrace
You may want to specify that this is the sign-ups.
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@WaterPhoenix
Maybe a regular knight, but not an internet knight!
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@WaterPhoenix
Birds are cool too. Knights, however, are best.
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@DynamicSquid
I can hold my breath for a couple of minutes, so I just eat it on land.
Cool. One more reason to like squids.
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@Mopac
God is not a concept, God is The Ultimate Reality.
Again, how do you know?
I can not teach Christianity to someone who thinks they already understand it.
Nice way of telling me that I don't understand the religion I believe.
These words you are using, you don't even know what the church means by these things.
Which words? God? I know what that means. The Ultimate Reality? I have yet to hear of a church that uses that term.
These words you are using, you don't even know what the church means by these things. The scriptures are written in Greek. All of the ecumenical councils and dogmatic formulations of the church were done in Greek. What is the national church of Greece? The Orthodox Church.
Non Sequitir. The conclusion does not follow from the premises. In fact, the premises have absolutely nothing to do with the conclusion.
This is a topic about God, The Ultimate Reality. More specifically the foolishness of denying this God.
Yes, but you are still missing the point. Unless the other person agrees that the Ultimate Reality is God, your argument can't hold water. You would just be calling their conception of reality God, even though it isn't God.
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@drafterman
Firstly, you have singularity in both the sign-ups and the back-ups. Secondly, are we ready to start?
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@Mopac
<br>There are plenty of people who do not believe in a conscious God. Greek philosophy is full of many examples. Some forms of Hinduism have examples too.
True, but that's a very different concept of God than the Christian conception of God. However, consciousness is not the sole obstacle here. Power, knowledge, emotion, consciousness, grace, personality, personhood - all of these things and more have the same logic. Most people don't think the Ultimate Reality has those things, so your argument is invalid.
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@Mopac
The Ultimate Reality is God.
1. How do you know?
2. If so, and if it doesn't require consciousness, then "God" isn't God. It's just a synonym for reality. If God is nothing more than reality, then God isn't God.
The existence of God is a given.
Why? So far, the only reason you've given for God to be a given is that, "God is the Ultimate Reality, and no one would deny that there is an Ultimate Reality." As I've explained several times, in order for God to be the Ultimate Reality that everyone agrees exists, God wouldn't be God. If God is God, then most people would not agree that He is the Ultimate Reality.
You are arguing about the characteristics and qualities of God, not the existence of God.You are missing what is essential. Whatever The Ultimate Reality truly is, that is God.If you don't get this, you only confuse yourself by pondering things like consciousness and personhood.
If God doesn't have the characteristics and qualities of God, then God isn't God. If He is, He would be like a unicorn with no horn, hooves, legs, or body.
I don't argue, I explain what I believe, and watch people argue over the meanings of words.
You're missing my point. It doesn't matter in the slightest what the correct usage of the "Ultimate Reality" is. So long as the other person means something different by that term than you do, your argument is invalid.
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We're doomed. The computer will defeat us at a social game.
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@Mopac
Whether or not The Ultimate Reality has consciousness, it is God.
I don't think so. If God doesn't have consciousness, then it - because without consciousness it doesn't qualify as a person - is God in name only. Functionally, a God without consciousness would be like an AI or random chance. Practically speaking, a universe with an unconscious God would be atheistic.
Most people using language incorrectly does not change what we mean by what we say.
Whether or not people are using it correctly is irrelevant. So long as they don't mean the same thing by "reality" or "Ultimate Reality" as you do, your argument is invalid.
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@EtrnlVw
Ok, thanks for clarifying.
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@EtrnlVw
So you don't believe any particular religion, then?
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@DynamicSquid
Yes, but Mike still needs to take away the crown from Ramshutu's profile and add it to christopher_best's and PressF's.
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@TheRealNihilist
Agreed, except that Trump has technically been impeached already. He just hasn't been tried or removed from office.
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@Vader
Necro means death, so necro for life would be some kind of undead.
It was one of my many bad jokes.
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@Mopac
When we say, "God", we mean The Ultimate Reality.That is why it is nonsensical to dispute that God is The Ultimate Reality.
But this is exactly the problem. When most people say the "Ultimate Reality," they don't mean God. When most people say God, they don't mean the Ultimate Reality. Your argument only works if the other person agrees that the Ultimate Reality is God. In other words, your argument only works if the other person already agrees with you.
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@Mopac
<br>We wouldn't say The Ultimate Reality exists within God
I don't believe I said or implied that, and if I did, it was by mistake, because this...
we would say The Ultimate Reality is God.
...I understood. So this...
By definition, this can't exist inside anything because it is all encompassing.
...isn't relevant.
We wouldn't say that consciousness is what defines God either, it is REALITY thst defines God.
But consciousness is still a characteristic of God. This is where my logic applies. Either the Ultimate Reality doesn't have consciousness, in which case people agree it exists but it isn't God, or the Ultimate Reality has consciousness and people don't agree that it exists. Let me make this a little clearer.
P1: The Ultimate Reality doesn't have consciousness.
C1: People agree it exists.
C2: It isn't God.
P2: The Ultimate Reality does have consciousness.
C3: It is God.
C4: Not everyone agrees it exists.
If P1 is true, then C1 and C2 are true but C3 and C4 are false. If P2 is true, the C3 and C4 are true and C1 and C2 are false.
Your argument requires that C1 and C3 are both true, which requires both P1 and P2 to be true. However, they are contradictory, so your argument isn't valid. As a result, you have not established that this is true:
I'd like to note that the fact that God exists should be a given. There should be no dispute about this.
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