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@drafterman
@Speedrace
You're telling me that the random roles JUST SO HAPPENED to give us both a tailor and a coroner?
Yeah, that wasn't good.
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@ILikePie5
If it was confirmed after Zaradi died, why didn't you say anything?
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@Speedrace
You did tell me, but there was for or against evidence either of you. I made a decision based on probability and got the short end of the stick.
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@Lunatic
You played excellently. Not killing in the first two NKs was a bizarre decision, but it fooled me. Your play as mafia is outstanding. GG
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
Ok, I looked. How would the small size enable a killer to pass a metal detector? It's still metal.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
I'm not familiar with how well metal detectors work, so I don't know if it would be possible to get through them.
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Bizarre theory. What if Press or Zaradi is mafia and the game continued because drafter needed to know whether or not Pie would win, so drafter couldn't tell us that we had lynched the real mafia.
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This is dumb. Whoever is mafia, please just say so. Did we win? Did we lose? End the suspense already.
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Either someone's lying for no reason or drafter just pulled an epic troll on us. If so, that would be seriously funny.
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@drafterman
Everyone says they're town. Drafter, please tell me which one of them has the wool over my eyes.
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@drafterman
I don't think there's any more info that would be useful. Based on what I know, Speed is the more likely choice. VTL Speed
Whether I'm right or wrong, GG to the mafia. Well done.
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@Speedrace
So it makes sense for Lunatic to waive on NKs for WIFOM but not for you to not kill Lunatic for WIFOM? I don't think so. Furthermore, as Lunatic pointed out, you needed to kill Pie. Zaradi had watched Pie in the past, and so far as you knew, he could be watching Lunatic or anyone else you wanted to kill.
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Here are things as I see them.
I know I'm town and Pie is third party.
If Speed is mafia, then that explains the lack of NKs except in NP3. It fits the facts because the only alternative is Lunatic. However, it would not make sense for Lunatic to be mafia because there was nothing stopping him from NK'ing. The only way it makes any sense is if Speed's theory about mafia only being allowed to kill on odd NPs is right and Lunatic decided to waive the NP1 kill because he wanted information about who he was killing first. This would also make sense in the light of Lunatic's push for a mass claim because he wanted info on who to kill. On the other hand, the push for a mass claim makes little sense because he volunteered to claim. This also applies to Speed because he claimed early. However, this early claim makes sense for a mafia because it makes him look less scummy, and it's a claim that can't be verified. It is also the only role that is 100% useless. This is what makes this claim weird. At first glance, this looks towny because it came with the message that the roles were random. At second glance, this is smoke and mirrors. Mafia also have roles, so they would also have an incentive to ask drafter about random roles. When the random result came back, it would complete sense for mafia to share that results to look towny and choose an obscure fake claim that would almost certainly not be CCed. The same does not apply to Lunatic because his role actually could be verified. If Zaradi had watched or PressF redirected him, then he could have been exposed. This is why it makes more sense if Lunatic is town and Speed is scum. Both fit the facts, but making Speed town requires more assumptions and more risk on the mafia's part. Whichever is actually mafia, GG to you. You've played it excellently. Neither of you have looked scummy. In both games I've participated in (not counting Killer mafia), one of you has been scum and played it to perfection.
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@Speedrace
Roles are random, anything is possible
I know, and I'll give you a chance. I'm going to try to avoid repeating the Office DP7, but on the opposite side.
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@Speedrace
The idea that mafia could only kill on odd nights in a quickfire is just bizarre.
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@Lunatic
I agree. I think he knows that he's almost certainly doomed and is just throwing things against the wall to see what sticks.
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@Speedrace
It's not what's happened that confirms Lunatic. It's what hasn't happened. Why would he not kill the first two NPs? Also, you are completely unconfirmed. The NKs have only happened when you have been RBed.
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@Inferno
How is mafia nonsense? It's just a game.
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@Greyparrot
You were town? Somehow I'm not surprised.
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@drafterman
If the DP is over, can you tell us whether or not he was guilty?
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@Lunatic
I think hes mafia which is why he has more incentive to post.
That's a good point.
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@ILikePie5
I’m fine with this. Lynch Press and Nurse Speed.
Let's do it then. Unvote VTL PressF4Respect
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@ILikePie5
Well, it would have been good evidence that Zaradi that Zaradi was scum. However, it was still a bad idea. Redirecting to me so Zaradi would have died instantly had he been scum would have been smarter.
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@Lunatic
If you want to lynch PressF first, then let's go ahead and do it. As I've said, it really doesn't matter which we lynch first.
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@Speedrace
Yes, I've said he acts more scummy. But once again, I did play in the Office mafia. I know that you are really good at looking like town even when you're mafia. But it really doesn't matter whether we lynch you or PressF this round. Think about it from my perspective. I know I'm town and that Pie is 3rd party. For reasons I've explained before, I'm 95% sure Lunatic is town. All three of us suspect the two of you. We can lynch one of you this round and the other next round. If we get it wrong this round, then the mafia can only kill one of us, so we'll still have a 2-1 majority next round.
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@Speedrace
That's possible, but there will be time to lynch PressF next round if you flip town.
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@Speedrace
If you're not mafia, why would the real mafia waste two rounds?
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@Speedrace
I was in the mafia chat in the Office. You decided to kill oromagi because he was the watcher even though PressF was more dangerous as the cop. You did it so oromagi wouldn't see you when you did kill PressF. The same logic applies here.
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VTL Speedrace
It's just too suspicious that the first NK is the first time he isn't role blocked.
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@Speedrace
That's true. I think it was a mistake on Lunatic's part.
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@Lunatic
I agree. It's really suspicious that the first NK is when Speed isn't blocked. I don't trust PressF either.I'm not gonna lie, im becoming a bit less sure that speed is town because the first night I don't block him a kill goes through lol. I am gonna think on this one more. Press still seems scummy, and I still don't see town motive for his night actions for the last two night phases.
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@Speedrace
Mafia would go after Pie because he's confirmed as third party and is playing like a towny.
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@PressF4Respect
So you wanted to kill a protective role and another town member?If what Zar said was true (which turns out it was), then nothing would happen to Lunatic. If Lunatic died, then it's very likely that Zar would be scum.
Why redirect to Lunatic? If you had redirected Zaradi to me, then nothing would have happened if Zaradi was town because watchers can't be redirected and we would have won instantly if Zaradi had been scum.
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Lunatic is basically town-confirmed by the fact that there was nothing to stop him from NK'ing in previous rounds if he were scum. We know ILikePie is third-party. Thus, it's down to Speed and PressF. Since Lunatic can prevent NK's with his role-blocking, whichever one of the two he didn't block is scum (presuming he blocked one of them, which I really hope he did because it will tell us who's mafia).
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I wholeheartedly approve of the mafia's target. Zaradi was good candidate for being scum, and now there is one fewer suspect. I don't think that choice will ultimately help the mafia.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
So the idea is that you trigger the metal detector, get stopped by security who check you out and let you pass because all you have is a nail and plastic parts that look exactly like a gun, you go in the building and stop to assemble your gun because security totally aren't watching a guy with a plastic gun, then you start shooting at people only to have your gun jam after the first shot because 3D printer plastic melts at very low temperatures, and then get arrested without having a decent chance to carry out your murderous intentions. Yeah, that's gonna happen...
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I know it may not be the fastest way to win, but I think it's the most certain. VTL Sir Anonymous. Everyone needs to put their night actions in their wills. If anyone dies, their actions can give us valuable info. If Lunatic dies, whoever he protects is town. If Press dies, whoever he redirected is town. If this lynch passes, it will tell us Pie's affiliation. I think this is the best option.
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