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@TheDredPriateRoberts
Methinks that someone needs to tell USA Today that you can't build a gun without metal, so they will never pass a metal detector.
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@ebuc
Proof is in the pudding i.e. the resultant you desire, arrives via your logic, then no worries.
I don't disagree. This is mostly a thought experiment that has very little practical application.
Is there some aspect of Universe you dont understand? Even if you dont understand others do or may claim that they do.
Well, no one understands all of the universe, so yes, there are aspects of the universe I don't understand.
Scientists claim there exist 1st law of thermodynamics because no evidence of other such conclusions exist to date.
I agree, but this illustrates my point. This is a logical statement. Using logic to show why logic is valid is circular.
To be clear, I'm not saying that logic isn't valid. It's just that we can't prove it, so we can't be 100% certain, just 99.999...% certain.
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@PGA2.0
@ebuc
I agree. It's just that I can't prove it's valid. Yes, it applies everywhere. Yes, it's self-evident. However, can you prove that it's self-evident or that it applies everywhere? We are forced to assume those things in order to make sense of the world, but even that assumes that the universe can be made sense of.
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0-1. Those vicious Texans! Attack the Alamo!
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@Our_Boat_is_Right
That's funny, but a little over the top. I doubt a YouTube video about an argument in a forum would be very interesting.
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@disgusted
Tell me what post number it was. Give me a link. Quote it. Prove that I'm lying.
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@disgusted
I did look. I compiled every post you made since I asked the question back on page 12. None of them even acknowledged that my question existed. If you answered my question, then provide a link to your answer. If I'm lying, then prove it.
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@Speedrace
Now you've made me ashamed that I noticed he had Lunatic's vote wrong but didn't even notice that he had mine wrong.
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@disgusted
Not this.What right do "prolife" people have to be aware of any persons appendectomy?
Don't waffle, answer the question.What right do "prolife" people have to be aware of any persons appendectomy?
Nope.
I answered that go back and find it then you can stop lying.
And we're back where we started. The only post you addressed to me said, "No he's not." This was when I interjected into the slavery conversation.
So it turns out that you didn't answer my question, so I'm not lying.
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@disgusted
I didn't ask you that. Try be be truthful and answer the question.Oh you can't be truthful or you will go to hell, that's hilarious.
Didn't answer it here.
Absolute right wing government. You have a failed knowledge of the world.
Or here.
You have absolutely no right to know what medical procedure any person, other than you, is undergoing.Tell me what it is that makes you think you have such a right.
Or here.
No he's not
Not here.
You have absolutely no right to know what medical procedure any person, other than you, is undergoing.Tell me what it is that makes you think you have such a right.
Still no answer.
Abortion isn't any secret. It is a major political topic, so of course people are going to know what the medical procedure isWhy? What right do you have to interfere in a woman's medical procedure?You continually skip that part. You have no right to know about the medical procedures being undergone by anyone.Put your nose back where it belongs.Others medical procedures are none of your business, just fuck off.If you don't like my position on abortion then argue against, but simply saying you shouldn't know how babies are being killedOnce again you deliberately avoid the real subject and concoct lies to suit your agenda. What gives you the right to know that a man is having a tumor removed and why do you have a say in whether or not that procedure can go ahead?
Still not talking to me.
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@disgusted
Many of them may not know better because they aren't exposed to different ways of thinking. The governments there control information flows to their people.Typical conservative government behaviour.
Nope.
Until you accept the FACT that you have no right to know what medical procedure any other human is undergoing you can't be involved in this discussion. What gives you the right to know what procedure anyone else is undergoing?
Not here.
It isn't no-wage labor, though. You have to pay to feed and house the slaves. That is why they used low-paid Irish to do the more dangerous jobs because it would be more expensive to lose a slave.You gotta love how the right defends slavery. LOL
You didn't answer it here either.
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@disgusted
So you answered it and I'm lying and saying that you haven't? That's an easily testable claim. Let's look through every post you made since I asked you to see if you answered my question.
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@Lunatic
Also I don't understand the redirect theory and how it makes SA scum?
I don't know where anyone said that it makes me scum, but I can tell you how the theory works. Basically, it's the theory of how Zaradi is mafia. In NP1, he either waived or tried and failed to kill Speed. In NP2, his kill was negated by the fact that PressF had redirected anything he did to me. Since Pie protected me, I didn't die and neither did Zaradi.
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@Speedrace
Plus, I got the info from drafter about roles being random. Why would I need that unless I was an actual coroner?
That's an excellent point. I went back and looked at it, and there doesn't seem to be a logical reason for you to WIFOM that. Unvote
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@Speedrace
Mafia will simply neglect to NK until y'all lynch meIt's an extremely easy method to get a mislynch
Maybe. On the other hand, dragging out the game is generally a bad strategy for the mafia.
Likely scenario is that Mafia tried to NK me DP1. That's why I think Zaradi is Mafia, because then he tried to NK me NP1, and then someone else this NP but was switched to SirThat's an equally likely explanation, so why lynch me over getting roleblocked? Look at the whole picture
Entirely possible. However, you are still an excellent suspect.
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@Zaradi
Patience, young grasshopper. (http://beahealthygeek.com/patience-young-grasshopper/)
Haste makes waste.
Don't rush in where angels fear to tread.
Sick of these yet?
The point is that, while we could win by lynching Speed today, it would only be a probably. If we follow that plan, it would be a near certainty. However, we probably could win by lynching Speed today, which is why I vtl'ed him. Even so, speed is not always the best option (get it? get it? are you sick of my bad jokes yet?).
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@PressF4Respect
The main reason for lynching Speed is that it's the best explanation for why there are no NKs. I suppose that we could test both theories at the same time by trying to lynch me and having Lunatic RB Speed again. That way, if I lived and there were no NKs, we could be almost certain that Speed was scum. What do y'all think of that idea? I'm not saying we should do that, but I just want to throw it out there.
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@Zaradi
I agree. It would make more sense for scum to NK Lunatic.
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We can be fairly certain that Lunatic is town, since there's nothing to stop him from killing if he's scum.
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@Zaradi
if Speed is town then I'm probably scum
Why? It could just be that scum picked Speed both times.
VTL Speedrace
He is the most likely possibility.
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@PressF4Respect
@Zaradi
What's a town block?
How does lynching Speed clarify your alignment?
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@disgusted
Don't waffle, answer the question.
Says the guy who's been ignoring my question for the past three days.
If pro-life women don't oppose women's bodily autonomy, then how is it not inconsistent for you to say that pro-life men do? Why does the logic of the situation change simply because the people in question have different chromosomes?
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@Zaradi
I'm not saying we shouldn't lynch him today. I'm saying that if we don't and he is scum, it will become increasingly obvious that he's scum.
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@PressF4Respect
If you were watcher, given the nature of your role (and the fact that there is only one maf and one 3P [Pie] in this game), you would probably be town.
You're neglecting the fact that the roles were decided randomly.
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@Zaradi
It's the highest chance of scum behind the theory of Lunatic RBing the kill twice in a row
That's a legitimate point. In fact, that would make a lot of sense. Even if we don't lynch him today, Lunatic can keep RBing him. If there are no NKs, then Speed looks like a very good candidate.
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@Zaradi
Okay, I know you're not that dumb. But you're probably not mafia. I'm saying that my role as a watcher is more or less confirmed at this point by lack of CC. I've never made the claim that I'm town confirmed.
You missed my comment a few seconds earlier where I realized that. So no, I'm not that dumb.
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@Zaradi
Ignore my previous comments. I was confusing role with affiliation.
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@Zaradi
I haven't had my role results CC'd for two nights in a row, despite your best attempt to make it look sketchy. If that's not role confirmation in a game this small, idk what is.Have I tried to say I'm confirmed town?
Trying to have it both ways, I see.
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@Zaradi
Have I tried to say I'm confirmed town?
Yes.
My claim is everything but technically confirmed after two DPs without anyone CCing results.
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@drafterman
Thanks. In that case, Speed could also be scum who was blocked by Lunatic. However, Lunatic almost certainly isn't scum, because there was nothing to stop him from killing if he was.
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@drafterman
If mafia was role blocked by a nurse, would that stop them from killing?
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There are three explanations for the no kill.
1. Zardari is scum. He was redirected to me. I was deathproof, so no one died.
2. Whoever the mafia is targeted Speed, who was protected by Lunatic.
3. Mafia waived the kill.
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@drafterman
If a bomb was deathproofed and scum tried to kill them, would anyone die in that scenario, and if so, who?
I'm speaking in hypotheticals because drafter isn't allowed to confirm anyone's actions or roles.
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I'm really glad PressF brought this up, or I may not have thought it through and realized that Zaradi is town-confirmed.
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@PressF4Respect
I'm a bomb. Redirecting scum to me would kill them. Ergo, Zaradi is not scum.
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@PressF4Respect
Firstly, you would not have been preventing a lynch. You would have caused Zaradi to unintentionally commit suicide.
Secondly, your hypothesis was not confirmed. If Zaradi was scum, then he would have died trying to kill me. What you actually did was town-confirm Zaradi because, had he been scum, he would be dead.
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@Vader
No, I'll try to switch it up. I'll usually predict their defeat, but I already know how to predict their victory. Stay tuned to environmentalist wacko predictions to find out how.
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@Dr.Franklin
I don't know if I really need it, but it is pretty over-the-top and somewhat extreme, so I figured it would probably be best to include one.
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@Zaradi
His third party claim after the lies. Now that I think about it, you could be right. That isn't necessarily suspicious.
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@Zaradi
No, but at the moment Pie is suspicious, and we can test his claim. If he's telling the truth, then there will be 5 or 6 players left, which gives 2-3 more rounds. In other words, we have time.
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