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@b9_ntt
How dare you quote the Bible and show OP's position is based on personal preference rather than the God of the Bible. HOW DARE YOU, SIR!
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@Best.Korea
No refutation provided. I accept your concession.
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@TheUnderdog
Do you believe a zygote is a human being? If not, then why would you care what the abortion rate is?
No. The abortion rate includes more than just zygotes.
Also, abortions can be hard on women. Reducing the abortion rate helps individuals who are undeniably persons.
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@TheUnderdog
Abortion covers developmental stages beyond zygote, some of which personhood could be argued. Concern for the more mature unborn and women's rights aren't not mutually exclusive.
Plus, abortion isnt necessarily something celebrated, but something tolerated out of necessity.
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@Best.Korea
Neither SO nor myself backed down let alone conceded.Is a false statement. When you failed to provide a counter argument, you conceded.
I provided a novel argument not found elsewhere in the thread. You claimed my argument was refuted by argumentation not in the thread. I pointed this out. You doubled and tripled down on a hand with no cards.
Your strategy is effectively 'nu uh' and gaslighting. Failing to provide a counter argument, per your own reasoning, is a concession. You are conceding.
I'd be happy to debate if you care to engage:
There is no justification for abortionSure there is: Rape, incest, fetal death, fetal inviability, ectopic pregnancy, pregnancy causing threat to mother's life, and, last but not least, personal decision not to be/remain pregnant.
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@Best.Korea
After being presented with logical arguments, you and ScepticalOne both backed down and conceded, both being unable to refute my arguments.
I was presented with rumors of logical arguments. Nice try though.
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@Best.Korea
I'm not worried about eternal torment in an afterlife. I'm am not a Christian. 😉
A person who accepts the extreme views you represent here is an exponentially greater threat than any Biblical damnation.
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@Best.Korea
All of those were refuted above. Please read the post before commenting.
I've read the thread and have not seen the refutation you mentioned. I have seen insanely ignorant or intentionally absurd positions though. Either way, further engagement would be a waste of my time. Have a nice day.
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@Best.Korea
I can't tell if you're being serious or trolling.
There is no justification for abortion
Sure there is: Rape, incest, fetal death, fetal inviability, ectopic pregnancy, pregnancy causing threat to mother's life, and, last but not least, personal decision not to be/remain pregnant.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Ok, so?How does this disprove God?
Not trying to convert you, just enlightening you on what it means to be a Christian from this apostate.
Some might of been lying, have you ever thought of that?Some might have just been very prideful, and didn't want to let the others think they were wrong, thus using God as an excuse.
It is interesting your first reaction is to doubt the morality of Christians...
Deception or malicious intent aren't likely, imo. It was simply well-meaning people looking for magical answers (me included). I happen to think people are prone to misinterpret their personal desires with the 'will of god'. This explains why there are so many denominations and god-concepts. People aren't lying - they are misinformed.
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@YouFound_Lxam
It's not contradictory.
Again, I don't think you read the post you were replying to. My anecdote referenced contradictory "answers from God". Some church members felt the school should go. Some felt the school should stay. Both sides felt God was guiding them.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Sadly this is the case with many Ex-Christians. They don't see Gods full plan, because they don't have the faith to trust him.
I get the feeling you didn't read the entire post because "God's full plan" shouldn't include giving contradictory answers.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Well, God exists outside everything that is logically possible
If logic is not applicable to God, then he is illogical.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Like I said, ask God.
I was a Christian for many decades. One of the reasons I deconverted had to do with 'answers from God'. Our church was trying to decide what to do with our school. Church members felt God was guiding them, but our answers didn't match.
"Ask God" doesn't carry a lot of weight with me. I no longer confuse my inner monologue as a dialogue.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Jesus was both fully God and fully human
One cannot be fully human and fully God when the nature of god is defined as infinite, perfect and human nature is finite, flawed. Suffice to say, one cannot be infinite and finite or perfect and imperfect at the same time. That is a logical impossibility.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Though I assume it is because God was lonely before he created us and wanted/desired love.
Wait...what? How could a perfect being be lonely?!
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@YouFound_Lxam
It doesn't really make sense why a perfect being can't mingle with the less-than-perfect beings. Would Yahweh become imperfect by proximity or temptation? Is sacrificing a son really something a perfect being would do? After Jesus walked among sinners, wouldn't he have been tainted and barred from heaven as well?
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@RationalMadman
So long as everyone knows what's going on and consents, I see nothing morally wrong with this.
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@TWS1405_2
The arrest rates prove my position, your semantics argument falls flat on its face. And even people found “not guilty” does NOT prove they didn’t do it. And some cases get dismissed on technicalities, which certainly does not prove they did not do it.
Arrests =/= guilt. Arrest rates are meaningless to your point. Yes, not guilty does not equate to innocence, and dismissal does not equate to innocent or guilty. That goes to my point. The simple fact is arrests and being found guilty does not absolutely equate to having committed a crime. You're looking at the world through a pinhole.
This is a personal subjective opinion. If you have NO law enforcement training let alone worked in the field, or even in the field of criminal justice (e.g., DA’s Office), then your subjective opinion is worth about as much as a bed pan of urine in the 1700s.
How convenient that the former cop thinks only cops and legal professionals can understand criminal justice. If that were true, then wouldn't it be silly to have laws for common folks? There are individuals who know the criminal justice system inside and out because they've been through it and gained insights from firsthand experience. I've also seen audits of the police - Officers don't always know the law as well as they think they do. So gtfoh with your dubious appeal to your own authority.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Exactly, you can't know a stranger's character........you just proved my point.
I don't think you know what your point is given that your posts seem incongruent.
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@PREZ-HILTON
Now you're saying something with which I agree (except for the part about me thinking cops are racist). There are socioeconomic factors which lead to increased crime, but that alone doesnt completely describe the issue. Everything from the way police departments patrol and how officers are trained to overloadeded public defenders and the question of getting a fair shake by juries effects the pool of defendants, how they will plead, and what their verdict will be. As I said above, it is a complex issue and not everyone wants a complex answer.
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@PREZ-HILTON
I am opposed to both I don't think scientists know enough about the human body to know how much if any harm they are doing.
This opposition is built on your acknowledged ignorance on this subject.
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@TWS1405_2
Approximately less than 1.5% of the 13% black population are the ones committing over 50% of the violent crimes in this country.Committing or being found guilty? These terms are not the same.See the bolded italicized word.
If the determinations of juries were truth, then innocents should not be convicted. Yet it happens. The correct answer was "being found guilty".
ou stat is tainted by flaws in the system itself and the hyper-vigilance is questionable and perhaps part of the problem.Easy to claim, harder to prove
On this we agree. The problem is complex and some (present company excluded of course) prefer simplistic explanations. Suffice to say, many factors contribute...methods of patrol, police training, jury pools and selection, poor legal representation, etc.
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@PREZ-HILTON
Your theory was that people who are othered are feared. How does conceding there help you?
Your post is not clear. What are you agreeing/disagreeing with?
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@YouFound_Lxam
Well, I don't think that way. I look at people based on the content of there character, not there race. I guess I'm just a freak of nature then.
You can't know a stranger's character. You're not being honest with yourself or me.
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@Greyparrot
Not even close to analogous. Maybe say a woman is raped equally by both blondes and brunettes even though she supposedly (because bigoted guy on internet says so) hates brunettes more and tries to avoid them.
That's dark. Are you okay?
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@PREZ-HILTON
Do you have evidence of people being othered like nerdy kids in school are othered
Nerdy kids are more likely to be the target of aggression. Great example.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Intuition informed by explicit comments, verbal cues, facial expressions, body language, etc. People and animals have been doing this for eons.So all white people think this way? And if so how do you know that?
Think what way? I'm talking about human nature.
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@TWS1405_2
Approximately less than 1.5% of the 13% black population are the ones committing over 50% of the violent crimes in this country.
Committing or being found guilty? These terms are not the same.
Police have to be hyper vigilant around black suspects given the fact that they are more prone to violent behavior than whites, as indicated by the above fact regarding violent criminality.
You stat is tainted by flaws in the system itself and the hyper-vigilance is questionable and perhaps part of the problem.
Cops are more than 18x more likely to be shot and killed by an armed black suspect than the small 3x more likely a black person will be shot (not necessarily killed) by a cop.
You and Greyparrot should get together and hash out your statistics. He is representing cops are killed equally by white and black suspects.
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@Greyparrot
For your theory to hold water, cops would be allowing far fewer blacks to shoot and kill them.
That's not true. Let's say Michelle prefers blondes, but is asked out equally by brunettes and blondes. This means she is more attracted to blondes, but blondes and brunettes both find her attractive. Using the same reasoning, cops are more likely to kill blacks, but are equally threatened by blacks and whites.
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@PREZ-HILTON
This doesn't negate my position. Someone who is seen as an other is going to be more likely to be perceived as a threat. A black cop can 'other' a black suspect.
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@Greyparrot
Just so you might have some context here, 60 out of the 73 cops killed last year were white.
I'm not impressed by this. Most of the population - and by extension most cops - is white. It stands to reason most cops killed would be white.
Seems to me Cops are not allowing any race the advantage when it comes to getting killed.
That speaks to equal (mis)treatment of police by suspects. It is not true the other way around: black people are at a disadvantage in encounters with police.
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@YouFound_Lxam
How do you know how others perceive others?
Intuition informed by explicit comments, verbal cues, facial expressions, body language, etc. People and animals have been doing this for eons.
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@PREZ-HILTON
I don't know enough about it to make a distinction
Fair enough. Are opposed to both (puberty blockers and hormone) for minors or are you abstaining from forming an opinion until you have a better understanding?
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@Greyparrot
You've missed the point. A white person and a black person should (and probably do) receive the same treatment for threatening acts. Where the difference lies is that a black person that has been 'other-ed' is going to be more often perceived as threatening regardless of the act.
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@PREZ-HILTON
If you reach for a gun and are white (or look like you are), the cop isn't going to go "well this guy is white, I better let him kill me" no they defend themselves
We'll, that's just it, racism is rooted in fear. A cop who sees someone he is interacting with as 'other' is going to be more likely to perceive an attack whether that is the case or not.
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@PREZ-HILTON
I believe that there can be well intentioned supportive people that can still be a bad influence. It is why I encourage christians to be the supportive person in the life of a transgender individual they know and relate to.
You're insinuating Christians can not be a bad influence. That assumption is absurd. Surely, even you as a Christian don't think all who claim to be Christians are on the right path.
If the person is seeking out that comfort with activists and some other members of the trans community, it is my opinion they are more likely to mutilate themselves than if they have the support of friends and family with good morals.
Another unspoken (and questionable) assumption: only those with bad morals would support a transition. We'll disagree on that.
If a person struggling with gender identity issues doesn't get that love from the people close to them, they'll get it from people in other communities.
Maybe, though I think there would be a strong correlation between suicide and the absence of support. Its not necessarily an either/or situation.
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@PREZ-HILTON
That's not "gender re-assignment surgery". Do you make any distinction between hormone blocking drugs (puberty blockers) and hormones?Sure, I don't think that doctor's should treat children like laboratory experiments even if the children are requesting to be treated that way.
That doesn't answer the question.
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@Intelligence_06
How did this topic accumulate 6 pages?
Probably the usual: squabbling unrelated to the OP.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Are they though?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOK8xPTcbYkYes.
This is a debate, buddy. You need to make an argument - video links does not an argument make.
Plus, I'd rather not have your videos informing my youtube algorithm.
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@PREZ-HILTON
The issue is the hormones they are fed until they are the age where they can consent.
That's not "gender re-assignment surgery". Do you make any distinction between hormone blocking drugs (puberty blockers) and hormones?
Plus the intense pressure they get from the supporting community [...]
I think we understand "support" very differently.
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@YouFound_Lxam
The problem is that people are pushing this too younger and younger kids [...]
Are they though?
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@Intelligence_06
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@YouFound_Lxam
Transgender individuals hate themselves.
Idk about that. I'd say, if anything, they hate the label assigned to them which doesn't match their understanding of themselves. There is a core that they absolutely love and the false identity which conflicts is where the issues come in.
Intelligence_06 makes a valid point that OP isn't making an argument for illegal gender re-assignment surgery, but that gender re-assignment shouldn't be done on underage individuals. Bad news for OP: gender-reassignment surgeries aren't typically done on children. Between 2019-2021, less that 100 genital surgeries were performed on individuals between 13-17 in the US. In the same period, less than 1000 "top" (in this case, mastectomies) surgeries were done. If youth gender-reassingment surgeries are a problem (not convinced they are), they are very far down on the priority list of issues that need our attention.
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@PREZ-HILTON
I am not the one who says it is bad. That would be God. bTW
Convenient. If you don't like gay people, just come out and say it...don't hide behind your imaginary friends. 😏
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@RationalMadman
He doesn't just troll, he genuinely preys on members he sees as sensitive regularly and bends his trolling to seem just within the rules in hindsight if he can[...]Wylted has always been this way to all members he finds easy to trigger.
I agree with this observation.
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@PREZ-HILTON
No. Votes matter more than misguided concessions.Your fallacy Is called "bare assertion"
You don't think votes matter?! *Gasp* I'm so shocked.
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@PREZ-HILTON
So your claim is they will force somebody to take office against their will even after they concede?
No. Votes matter more than misguided concessions.
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@PREZ-HILTON
How is conceding victory to the other side not the same as dropping out?
That is a claim disguised as a question. Again, in the real world, concessions carry no legal weight. A candidate can concede AND be voted into office because only the vote counts.
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@Wylted
@Sidewalker
Support the insurrection to overturn the election and hang Wylted
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Wylted, about your execution this election...we're taking a collection to get it done. 😄
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@PREZ-HILTON
It's the equivalent to dropping out of the race
No, it's not.
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