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So You've been a ( Basic : Level #1 " Follower " type theist.) for how long now?
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Unfortunately, I lack the ability to have the ability to believe in....
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@Greyparrot
Very well said, and non-partisan.
I wrote it while I was having my morning covfefe

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Everyone should own a bible and a black slave
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@Harikrish
Secular law promotes human rights and not subjective divine morals. It is easier to legislate secular laws than divine morals because the standard used in secular law is simply the greatest good for the greatest number. Slavery will benefit both the slaves and slave owners.
It winds up stifling potential, and developing unnecessary liabilities.  Plus there's the paranoia, and the whole shebang with involuntary servitude.  If you insist on some form of slavery, your people would be better off discriminating based on counter productive behavior without a slave class.

Divine morals or law was always dictated by a few who claimed privilege access to the divine either through visions, Hallucinations or extreme delusions. Ancients has no concept of mental illness. But today it is difficult to separate religious fundamentalism from mental illness.
A strict literal interpretation is called literalism among educated circles.
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@Harikrish
I cannot be anti religion or a racist when I publicly declare everyone should own a bible and a black slave.
I believe it will end discrimination of Blacks because now everyone will own one and the conversation will shift to how best to take care of them and the activities they are best suited for both domestically and in commercial settings like cotton picking.

I think you are using racism to connotate people blinded by hatred. It's common that cultures develop a negative stereotype of racism, and some racists try to differentiate themselves to the effect "but I have (insert) friends and I'm not a jackass".  Well, then you're still racist, and its because you're a dumbass. 
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The population in Ghana is mostly literate.  High literacy rates are a relatively recent development in human history, generally speaking.  Protestants historically promoted literacy so that everyone would be able to study from a bible.
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@dustryder
Really these controversies always prove to be obstructionist rhetoric and people trusting an infotainment system that profits from gullibility.  Americans elected Trump (not Clinton) knowing full well this would happen, and he would cut through the BS and be willing to take the heat to get the job done on other prioritized matters like the immigration reform they've been expecting for two decades, the economy, and maybe an endgame to the war on
I disagree. There are plenty of factual controversial Trump administration topics that shine a poor light on him and his administration. You seem willing to overlook these topics in favour of his approach to the presidency and perhaps regard his rhetoric as part of his no bullshit approach. However many people are not. And as I said, replacing him with Pence would alleviate many of these issues.
I mean, I'm speaking flamboyantly here so I couldn't blame you for reading into it how you may.  I can't speak for America obviously, and I'm only addressing a select few topics, over simplifying the situation.  I don't literally mean "always" either as the people who assume the presidency are imperfect in character and unique individuals running a tough job that effects millions.  Even a popular president would be controversial.  I'm not saying that Donald Trump has a "No bullshit" approach.  Trump in my view is the bullshitter in chief.  He has proven to be a world class marketer and a demagogue, but he's also made himself the honey badger of politics.  What I am alluding to as BS was here before Donald trump rose in the current political climate, and within that climate Donald Trump might go the extra mile that a career politician wouldn't, and manage to cut a deal. If you want someone who will offend people by existing and kiss up to the establishment then Mike Pence is probably your man, but that's not what Americans voted for.  

The economy is doing well. Unemployment is down.  Emissions are down.  ISIS has been decimated.  The US has yet to be goaded into another war.  The 115th Congress was on the upward swing from some of the least productive legislatures in American history.  The Supreme court appointees seem to be OK so far.  I haven't heard of them legislating from the bench, allotting powers not mentioned in the constitution to the Fed, or trying to repeal any amendments.  We are probably at our closest point on immigration reform in years. Our neighbors are reconsidering their coordination to curtail human trafficking. 

On the other hand, just to add some balance I think his lack of leadership is detrimental to the situation in Venezuela.  I'm not sure what will become of the trade disputes.  Government workers went without pay due to his negotiations, and his hardline approach to inaction by congress bears responsibility for the families being split up at the border.  

I can disagree with the guy, and I often find his politics distasteful, but I can't accept that the spin on some controversy is impeding the administration from doing its job.  I'm open to the idea, but for all I know it is only impeding people who want to be impeded to begin with.  The American elections are one of the most influential shifts in power in the world.  They're influenced by our allies, our enemies, desperate political bodies, corporations, all sorts of stuff.  Everyone is in on our politics trying to impact the elections.  Russia did not actually have the capacity to impact the outcome of the elections, but dividing the country up and obscuring relevant information is a reasonable expectation, and something our enemies would be interested in.  Who is truly damaging the country though, the Russians, or the people who exploit the foreign narratives?  In addition the legitimacy of this presidency, and the integrity of our electoral process has been attacked from the very outset not just from threats abroad but also by home brewed liabilities, which have in turn tend to undermine the legitimacy of the investigations.  Any action hinting at a political motive for impeachment could potentially contribute to serious consequences to the integrity of American politics in the future.  Most Trump voters that I speak to don't consider him presidential, but Americans did not vote for Mike Pence, and they didn't vote for virtuous royalty either.

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@dustryder
People are still talking about climate change and the environment.  I talk about it with different people on a regular basis as much as ever.
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@dustryder
The sooner he's out of the presidency, the sooner everyone can stop devoting energy to tracking every example of his and his administrations' controversies and give greater focus to important matters such as climate change
Really these controversies always prove to be obstructionist rhetoric and people trusting an infotainment system that profits from gullibility.  Americans elected Trump (not Clinton) knowing full well this would happen, and he would cut through the BS and be willing to take the heat to get the job done on other prioritized matters like the immigration reform they've been expecting for two decades, the economy, and maybe an endgame to the war on terror.  

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@dustryder
Whether it can be attributed to the Trump administration or not, American emissions have been falling according to my sources, and there were a dozen or so states committed to the Paris climate agreement back a couple of years ago.
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@bmdrocks21
I'm living good, but I'm always occupied with something else.  I'm starting to do some voting in the debate section.  
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@Outplayz
I believe Teddy Roosevelt said that.  Progressivism and conservatism go hand in hand.  You'd probably enjoy reading about him if you haven't much already.
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@Alec
Among other things, Bernie Sanders appeals to people who got shafted by their parent generation. He speaks with an understanding of what young people are going through.
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Good grief, you two should get a room!
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@zedvictor4
And furthermore the U.S. needs hard working Mexicans. Who's going to do all the donkey work otherwise?
Youth...

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MEEP: Doxxing, Spam, Ban Log
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@Dr.Franklin
Yes, and you can see if someone is banned anyway, if your generally looking for someone's ban and length just ask a mod, i think the problem of just a public shaming board is to great to ignore
Yeah, under the circumstances that seems to be what it amounts to.  I'm changing my vote.

#4 No

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@Dr.Franklin
If someone gets banned than someone else debating him has a one up, plus the gossip isn't a problem, what are we a middle school?, 
Well, I'm saying whatever happens it will be what people make of it.  It might make sense if it had some more relevant information.
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@Dr.Franklin
The wall of shame was my first thought as well, but really it is what people make of it.  People will shame anyway, and relishing in someone's banishment is inappropriate regardless.  The thing is, people are always curious about the gist of why someone has been banned, and that tends to generate some amount of gossip.  You can make arguments either way that people will be unreasonable, or you can put arguments towards acting reasonable.


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MEEP: Doxxing, Spam, Ban Log
1.  Yes, Anti Doxxing protections should be extended to non-Users.  This website should not be used as a platform for malicious intentions.

2.  Yes, I agree with what is meant by spam and that spam threads can be deleted.  

3.  Yes, debates created by banned users via multi-accounts should be deleted
     Yes, I'm fine with debates that aren't really debates being deleted.  Otherwise, I think distasteful debates should generally be allowed.

4.  Yes, I think displaying the reasons for a ban on a list would be make better use of the Mods time, as well as others.
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Star Trek Teleporting - for or against?
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@3RU7AL
I wonder why they would need to be dismantled and rebuilt. Are they somehow conserving irreplaceable elements of Captain Kirk that aren't generally reducible?  Are you conscious during teleportation?
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Article 1 - Section 9

The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.  The privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.

No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.
(No capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unlessin Proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken.) (Section in parentheses clarifiedby the 16th Amendment.)


No Tax or Duty shall be laid on Articles exported from any State.

No Preference shall be given by any Regulation of Commerce or Revenue tothe Ports of one State over those of another: nor shall Vessels bound to, or from, one State, be obliged to enter, clear, or pay Duties in another.

No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time totime.

No Title of Nobility shall be grantedby the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince or foreign State.

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@disgusted
your pathetic police state will never compete.
There are currently 50 states in the union.  Each has its own constitution.  A few such as New Jersey and Massachusetts may be moving in the direction of a police state in the sense that loyal authorities are no longer armed as civilians. However, I haven't had time to look into this subject too deeply and verify the details.  


Here is what Canadians would be giving up in joining the union.  

Article 1 Section 10  -  US Constitution
No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.No State shall, without the Consent of the Congress, lay any Imposts or Duties on Imports or Exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing it’s inspection Laws: and the net Produce of all Duties and Imposts, laid by any State on Imports or Exports, shall be for the Use of the Treasury of the United States; and all such Laws shall be subject to the Revision and Controul of the Congress.  No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.



Basically, the economic prospects would likely improve and they would have less trade disputes.  They can keep all their superior policies, and in abolishing the Canadian government, their states would have closer representation, but would no longer get to mooch off the unprecedented military might of the US.  Prospectively, the traditional provinces may or may not be redrawn.  Off hand I guess the senate might get a boost in republicans, and the house would get a boost in democrats.  The Canadian population is only 36 million, a bit more than 1/10th the US population, and most of them live near the US boarder.


Plus, they wouldn't be able to say "We're not American" and whatever they have going on with the Monarchy would have to be a more personal affair.

Article 1 - Section 9
The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a Tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.



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Alec's AMA
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@TheRealNihilist
In terms of political tenability one of the nice things about eliminating the income tax in its current form is with that you can also cut out some of the means for the political waste that comes from pandering, manipulation, kick backs, loopholes, and ideological nonsense.  
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@TheRealNihilist
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There are "people"
I thought that "personhood" is necessary for the state to legally recognize someone. I don't consider it as a basis for morality.

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There are "people"
I doubt you believe in attempting to respect something higher than the authority of the state with a basis in truth.  You might as well forget rights and just go ahead and say its all a cultural construct, social relations with society like, people can just agree that "I don't care if I don't feel the pain of death" or something.  Otherwise, the prospect of rights seems rather grim since what might otherwise be thought of as circumstantial rights in a humbled system of ordered liberty would instead be derived from the state, or rather the people who assign the state.
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@disgusted
One of the great things about the American system of government is that it's structured according to the expectation of withstanding incompetence and immorality.
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@warren42
There's a time limit, and your computer/browser is also a factor.  The website itself seems to work smoothly if my device is working properly.  Those are all the quirks that I'm aware of.

I've edited this multiple times to verify for you.  Dr. Franklin's device doesn't seem to like the website.  You could try refreshing the page that has material you would like to edit, or opening in another browser.  You can also check for updates.
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"Send them back!"
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@Dr.Franklin
I suppose, He did tweet that they should go back though, don’t think his comments were racist though

The tweets are almost certainly aimed at picking a fight with convenient scape goats on the road to 2020.  Joe Biden may be a bit soft at this time (or maybe that is the impression Trump is striving for) on some of the older families with a connection to the "working class".  The politics could be multifaceted, and I'm still casually working out a brief analysis.  The idea behind what the honest folk without racial insecurities would be attempting to point out is called nativism.
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@disgusted
Satellite imagery - North America
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@disgusted
Here's an image of North America
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Hi guys, °*°JESUS°*° here.
I don't get it.
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@Alec
Do you like exemptions on healthcare, toiletries, food, clothing etc...?
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Islam, " only a tiny minority".
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@Stephen
The European nations would have a more genuine interest for relative stability in the Middle East than the United States, but still the US and its military industrial complex is tasked with the unwinnable "War on Terror".  At some point "The west" (Western Europe) should be able to coordinate for a larger share in their own regional interests.  I think if you want to point fingers on these events, you need to go back before WWII.

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@Stephen
OK. I believe the west has a problem with Islam. SO YOU tell ME where I should be pointing the finger?

 And I am still waiting for your recommendations for a solution to the problem of an ideology that you say you are "no fan of" and one that you say "needs its teeth pulling"? I have given you mine often enough.

He who lives in a glass house shouldn't throw stones.
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@Alec

An income tax discourages income production.  A corporate tax discourages making businesses.

A sales tax encourages you saving your money.

What is the good in having all of that money if they aren't going to spend it?  I expect that savings aren't what you really have in mind.


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@Alec
Why have you thought of sales tax favorably over corporate tax and income tax?
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@disgusted
The indoctrinated American belief concerning Socialism is as close to socialism is a veganism is to carnivorism.
Americans are afraid of freedom, they need to be told what to do and how to think and they have a great fascist leader now to do it.
I think Americans associate populism with what you refer to as socialism.  Americans associate socialism with what you refer to as American indoctrination.  
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@disgusted
As an abstract his style of campaigning is reminiscent of Hitler and I wouldn't be surprised if he's taken notes.  I'm cautious to point towards 1930's Germany since the bulwark of the traditional American establishment is still quite different, but the democratic party is dealing with a socialist infiltration right now which is paving an inroad to fascism in the future.  His ideology seems more so inline with someone who would have campaigned as a democrat in the 1980's up till this point.
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@TheRealNihilist
…The one Trump rally where he has to show some class.   I find his brand of demagoguery repulsive, not sure why people get so excited hearing a guy brag and rant about ugly politics for an hour.
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@Dr.Franklin
If I'm not mistaken Donald Trump never actually said "send her back".  He's disavowed the chant, which was probably partially inspired by leftwing propaganda.
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@Stephen
And Government make the laws.
Oh yeah, whoops!  There's those minor details.

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@Stephen
Christians In Christian country maybe  do live by biblical law in part  but also by the law of the land that supersedes religious ' law'.  I won't argue that some English law maybe did find its roots in biblical law such as the fkn obvious "thou shalt not kill". But I can assure you that there are no laws telling Christians to go out into the world and rob rape and maim and murder anyone who isn't Christian or refuses to believe in the Christ as the god in the barbaric vile book the quran commands. So fk off. you have no argument here
The church can inform the state.  The government is a secular institution. Secular law does not supersede moral imperative.
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The word Tard
Of course, I can't speak for the people working to keep this website running smoothly.  I would assume moderation views this kind of issue as a minor infraction, not that needless insults and slurs are something for everyone to take lightly.  Therefore, a discrepancy can easily result from the amount of reports sent to moderation and the amount of reports cumulatively acted upon or otherwise taken in context, and ultimately being banned.  It may be the last straw though I doubt anyone in particular is banned just for saying "tard". 
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@Death23
What kind of minority are you talking about, Non-Racists or Races?

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Be skeptical of atheism.
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@3RU7AL
I don't mean to be disrespectful.  That just doesn't make much sense in a Judeo-Christian light.  They aren't idolaters.  
So when you speak to a Hindu or a Muslim or a Scientologist or a Sikh, and they ask you, "why should I leave my traditions behind and adopt yours"

What do you tell them?

No one has ever asked me that before.  I think that might catch me off guard.
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@3RU7AL
I don't mean to be disrespectful.  That just doesn't make much sense in a Judeo-Christian light.  They aren't idolaters.  
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@3RU7AL
Still characters, eh?
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@3RU7AL
"I AM"  is not a leap.
What makes you think that "the ultimate reality" is better described by "YHWH" than by Brahman for example?

I don't think like that.  
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@3RU7AL
Not compelling what?  
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@3RU7AL
I mean, you can't have an honest conversation about the nature of our existence or what have you if that's not what you want to talk about to begin with.
Simply asserting "I AM" does nothing to strengthen your argument.

Any number of characters, real and imaginary can make the exact same claim.

You are starting off with the pretense of a character, so that is all you would be looking to discuss.  Therefore you can't have an honest conversation about something with a basis in reality. Is that easier to understand?


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