You say that the ancestors of cleaner fish did not always rely on the teeth of other fish for food, and that ancestors of toothed fish didn't always need to have their teeth cleaned. If that's true, then the toothed fish would have to develop an evolutionary mutation that could stop their predatory instincts when they are around cleaner fish at the SAME TIME that cleaner fish developed an evolutionary mutation that caused them to eat the food in toothed fishes mouth. How is that possible for tens, if not hundreds of species of toothed fish to all develop that mutation and for the few cleaner fish species to all develop that?
You're missing my point. Algae can't live without lichen. If evolution is true, that means that algae, at one point, COULD live without lichen. However, it evolved so that is MUST live WITH lichen. BUT, that must also mean that at the SAME TIME, lichen evolved to have the trait that algae needed, and vice versa. And this happens thousands, maybe millions of times because there are thousands/millions of symbiotic relationships.
I'm not saying that you need reciprocal traits, but rather that the need for a certain trait in algae and the actually needed trait in lichen must have occurred at the same time in order for algae to live.
Also, that example is extremely creepy. Not a personal experience I hope
My point is that both species have traits that the other depends on to live, so as soon as algae gets the trait that it needs support for, lichen gets the trait that can help algae with that, it’s like an ambulance passing by as soon as someone is hit by a car, what are the chances of that?
Well, again, they receive responsibility as well as rewards, and besides that, they frequently received many various punishments in the Bible as well, but God’s giving them Moreno responsibility and rewards isn’t evidence that he loves them more
I did, I don’t say “favorite” because of the connotations that come with that, God never said that he would bless others LESS, but rather that the Jews would get blessed MORE, however they still have MORE responsibilities
Not favorite. Yes, he appointed them as his chosen people to receive many things other people wouldn’t, but that comes with responsibility. They have the responsibility to do good to others. It’s not all sunshine and roses; in fact, the Jews rebelled against their calling many times. Why would they do that if it was only exceptionally good things? It’s almost as if they are an older sibling; they have to do more chores but they also get a car, their own TV, a phone, etc. God was showing that he would bless them I feel they fulfilled their duties
The Bible itself doesn’t prefer Jews, however they are God’s chosen people. This essentially means that they were the line through which God chose to birth Jesus. That said, he consistently shows that he loves the Gentiles (such as moi) just as much.
Because that’s all evolution is. “It’s likely that marine predatory animals didn’t eat cleaner fish because it might have been too much work.”
Dude, he told you your argument one was sufficient, he only removed it because your conduct explanation wasn’t, please don’t leave :(
And then you’d be arguing against your own point lol
Same dude lol
Dust: So this is why Christianity is rational, yada yada yada
Rational: *cites 32 sources*
Voters: Yeah, I'm not reading that
Since when is "luck" an argument?
But how did the same behavior manifest in multiple different species?
So then, how is it possible for that to happen in thousands to millions of species?
The predatory nature of some of the fish, such as the shark
And my bad, I meant crocodile
I'll battle you
Thanks, I copied it before I asked haha, I wouldn't have done that if I'd known you put them in the comments for me :D
But the predatory nature of them makes it so that they would eat the cleaner fish, all they have to do is close their mouths
An even better example is certain birds and alligators, why doesn't the alligator chomp down? It's the exact same situation
It's cool dude, you had some funny ones lol
Oh welp, but it says "votes" in the description, which implies all categories, but I'll change it since no one else did that lol :)
You didn't say anything when Ragnar gave all categories to you
Read the description, that's not what I'm talking about
You say that the ancestors of cleaner fish did not always rely on the teeth of other fish for food, and that ancestors of toothed fish didn't always need to have their teeth cleaned. If that's true, then the toothed fish would have to develop an evolutionary mutation that could stop their predatory instincts when they are around cleaner fish at the SAME TIME that cleaner fish developed an evolutionary mutation that caused them to eat the food in toothed fishes mouth. How is that possible for tens, if not hundreds of species of toothed fish to all develop that mutation and for the few cleaner fish species to all develop that?
Ok then, explain the cleaner fish one
There are other symbiotic relationships
You're missing my point. Algae can't live without lichen. If evolution is true, that means that algae, at one point, COULD live without lichen. However, it evolved so that is MUST live WITH lichen. BUT, that must also mean that at the SAME TIME, lichen evolved to have the trait that algae needed, and vice versa. And this happens thousands, maybe millions of times because there are thousands/millions of symbiotic relationships.
I'm not saying that you need reciprocal traits, but rather that the need for a certain trait in algae and the actually needed trait in lichen must have occurred at the same time in order for algae to live.
Also, that example is extremely creepy. Not a personal experience I hope
My point is that both species have traits that the other depends on to live, so as soon as algae gets the trait that it needs support for, lichen gets the trait that can help algae with that, it’s like an ambulance passing by as soon as someone is hit by a car, what are the chances of that?
Lol yeah I should've
I was within 7 minutes of another debate this morning lol xD
Lol you're funny xD
I would've voted for RM if he'd rapped the same way he rapped in R1 all the way through, #nevergiveup (ever)
Welp, gg dude nice :D
That's my middle name :P
I'm cool like that :D
*cry*
Someone hurry up and vote for me pls
“they are clearly recognized by God differently from others.”
Pretty much
Well, again, they receive responsibility as well as rewards, and besides that, they frequently received many various punishments in the Bible as well, but God’s giving them Moreno responsibility and rewards isn’t evidence that he loves them more
First vote :D
First vote, yeeeeee
Lol, to my knowledge God has never said that he loves the Jews more than the Gentiles, which is another factor
I did, I don’t say “favorite” because of the connotations that come with that, God never said that he would bless others LESS, but rather that the Jews would get blessed MORE, however they still have MORE responsibilities
Not favorite. Yes, he appointed them as his chosen people to receive many things other people wouldn’t, but that comes with responsibility. They have the responsibility to do good to others. It’s not all sunshine and roses; in fact, the Jews rebelled against their calling many times. Why would they do that if it was only exceptionally good things? It’s almost as if they are an older sibling; they have to do more chores but they also get a car, their own TV, a phone, etc. God was showing that he would bless them I feel they fulfilled their duties
Gotcha, thanks
The Bible itself doesn’t prefer Jews, however they are God’s chosen people. This essentially means that they were the line through which God chose to birth Jesus. That said, he consistently shows that he loves the Gentiles (such as moi) just as much.
Don’t hold back on the snarky comments next time, I need something going for me :P
Welp, There’s goes my win ratio lol
Would y'all be able to get y'all's memes/images from a different site?
Isaiah was given as proof of omnipresence, not God controlling free will, which is why I ignored it
Also, why did you give Rational sources?
It doesn’t work on my tablet or laptop
I’d vote, but the images won’t load for me *cry*
Omar treats everyone who disagrees with him like that, I simply ignore him
I think heated is an understatement lol, my bad for getting slightly aggressive
Noice dude, we've been evenly matched in the past but you absolutely destroyed me this time :O
Wut is dis
Yay :D