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@Lunatic
First of all, that's not how bullish mods, so you basically just confirmed yourself as scum. I just had a mini talk with him about modding actions after asking him if my abilities are lost when used (he said yes, and supa also got confirmation of this). In the discussion he brought up how he thought the way I modded a game in the live mafia discord last night was a "bruh" moment because warren retained a 1x ability after using it. 
What do you mean that's not how he mods?
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@ILikePie5
Okay so Bullish just told me that I can’t be roleblocked and my action will go through even if I get lynched this day phase. In an essence, I’ll get confirmed no matter what happens. 
Yay
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@Lunatic
huh
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PB only works is Bullish defines technology as broadly as possible
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@Lunatic
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A point to Supa though is that there's no way this could be a fake claim
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@Lunatic
The 1923 Chevrolet is cited as one of the earliest examples of annual facelifts in the car industry, because it had a restyled body covering what essentially was nine-year-old technology.[8]

The most notable example among technology products are Apple products
Those are the quotes. Every other mention is in citations

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@Lunatic
Ctrl + f type in technology and find a qoute yourself. Not at the computer for another 30 minutes or so. I saw it when I linked you though
I did and none of the technology mentions talked about it's relevance to planned obsolescence
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Can someone please comment on Supa claiming a dreamer variant? Doesn't this make Intel more likely to be town?
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@Vader
It isn't and you are objectively wrong 
lol
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@Lunatic
The wiki confirms what both oro and misterchris are saying, that it plays a huge role in technology. Your refusal to see it is beyond scummy.
As I've said over and over and OVER again, SHOW ME A QUOTE. SHOW ME literally ANY source that confirms this. I will happily acquiesce when you do. Until you do, you have no right to tell me I'm wrong. And on a debate site no less. True shame
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@Lunatic
If we manage to lynch scum today, I am pretty sure speed is also mafia. His behavioral seems very similar to BAMF mafia. Lot's of logic leaps, very stubbornly pushes poor logic.
lol
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@MisterChris
Gotta say, after that whole controversy with Apple and their tech devices degrading over time, I buy it as a tech concept too. Just because something is an umbrella economic concept does not mean that it isn't practiced using tech concepts. How else are things going to degrade over time, if not having the technology designed to fail after a period of time? That's a tech concept, my guy
It could literally work with ANY product, not just technology

Even if this was the reason for the justification, this is literally not even in Supa's PM. Like????
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@Lunatic

The word technology pops us multiple times in the wiki article. It definitely plays a role in technology as a concept.
No, because almost all of those are in the citations. Again, it's quite literally defined as an ECONOMIC concept. Technology and planned obsolescence aren't even in the same sentence in that source except once
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@Lunatic
Case on Supa:

1. He waits a whole day to claim his dreamer results. Last time Supa got an investigative result, he claimed the results INSTANTLY (when he copped Lunatic in the game Luna pretended to be a TP-lyncher in)
Pie and warren were the topic of the day's lynch from the beginning, why out if he doesn't have to?
You were the topic of the day's lynch in that game and he still outed his results. Try again
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2. He claims a character that does NOT relate to technology
False, techological concepts relates to technology, the world technological is in the damn name. The cloud is technically a concept too.
SUPA'S ROLE IS A CONCEPT. CONCEPTS ARE ALLOWED, YES. BUT IT IS AN ECONOMICAL CONCEPT, NOT A TECHNOLOGICAL ONE. LITERALLY EVERY SOURCE EVER CONFIRMS THIS AND WE HAVE YET TO SEE ANYONE PROVIDE A SOURCE SAYING IT IS A TECHNOLOGICAL CONCEPT. STOP CALLING IT SOMETHING IT IS NOT.

WHY IS THIS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND
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@MisterChris
I will probably make a more substantial post on this later, but more and more I think Pie is probably town, and Lunatic & Supa are also town.
I think there is at least one scum among them

That would leave Warren and Oromagi on that list. Oromagi seems town to me too.
Same

Ergo, I think Warren is a pretty good scum candidate. 
I don't believe Supa's results, hence I don't think Warren is scum
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@oromagi
Also I'm surprised no one mentioned this but Supa's variety of Dreamer is not what Dreamer is classically. Usually it says that AT LEAST ONE of the people in the dream are town OR it gives ONE person that is town.

So this is evidence of fake claiming or helps Intel out because of different varieties of roles. Last time Supa clamed the wrong type of role, though, he got lynched and was scum
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@Lunatic
I've found 2 games with two town joat's on basically my first like 10 clicks through the archive
Thx
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Everyone who isn't Supa or Luna please read

Case on Luna:

1. He conveniently claims JOAT right after Supa but doesn't CC him
2. He claims his roles fit "like a puzzle piece" with Supa's, yet refuses to claim them
3. Says he has a bad character-role justification, despite Bullish saying that all characters and roles are linked
4. He claims that there are no other PRs besides the fact that a lot of people have yet to claim

Case on Supa:

1. He waits a whole day to claim his dreamer results. Last time Supa got an investigative result, he claimed the results INSTANTLY (when he copped Lunatic in the game Luna pretended to be a TP-lyncher in)
2. He claims a character that does NOT relate to technology
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@Lunatic
YOU made the claim that no two JOAT's ever existed. That's your BOP pal.
I never made that claim, and you can't prove a negative. Also this implies that you aren't claiming that they have existed. So you don't think there is a precedent
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@Vader
No, off the fact that you're an ECONOMICAL concept
No it isn't. Replacing hardware of misused technology is not a economic concept. It is a technical concept that gives companies and advantage economically, but it isn't as such
"In economics and industrial designplanned obsolescence (also called built-in obsolescence or premature obsolescence) is a policy of planning or designing a product with an artificially limited useful life, so that it becomes obsolete (i.e., unfashionable, or no longer functional) after a certain period of time."

It's not just about replacing technology, it's about products in general. It's not specific to technology, AKA it's an economical concept, as literally any credible source will tell you. Please show me a source saying it is a technological concept.

It isn't an economic concept




Sorry I thought a person with an opinion he can't support said something
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@Lunatic
I've played in hundreds of games, I don't remember which games I've seen them but I know I have. Link to where it's written by the mod that there can't be two?
You have the BoP to prove that those games exist lol

Impossible. Me and supa are the power roles, or anyone that claims one from this point on is probably lying. Pie hinting at one is enough already for me to think he is scum.
You would never say this as town lol
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@ILikePie5
There has been games with multiple JOAT's before, and it actually makes perfect sense that the power roles were divided between two individuals and the rest of the role mad players are weak versions of some other role or anti town utility. Danielles flip, and skittlez claim demonstrate this
Prove it.
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@Lunatic
There has been games with multiple JOAT's before,
Links?
and it actually makes perfect sense that the power roles were divided between two individuals and the rest of the role mad players are weak versions of some other role or anti town utility. Danielles flip, and skittlez claim demonstrate this
Except the fact that there are unclaimed PRs but ok
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@Lunatic
It doesn't matter, your reasons are still pathetic and devoid of logic.
Whether they are or not, that doesn't mean I'm wagoning lol
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@Vader
We wait on what results come in from the night. I still have my Watcher role, and I have until NP3 to live. I can get another investigative role if a Doc, JK, or BP comes in NP3. We will have much more clarity on what goes on.
You previously said NP4. So now you're lying?
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@Lunatic
Oro wants to lynch intelligence but also scum reads me for some dumb reason, and speed is wagoning him. 
I scumread you first but ok. You've literally been accusing Oro of wagoning ME this whole time xD
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@Vader
You are basing a vote
I'm not voting you

off that fact I am a technological concept and you don't interpret my concept that way.
No, off the fact that you're an ECONOMICAL concept
Tell me why is your thinking correct.
Because you don't relate to technology
Bullish said that there are such things.
He said that there are concepts, but not thing relating to economics

If I were fake claiming, why would I make my role a concept if I knew that most were products.
I'm not scum reading the fact that you're a concept, I'm scum reading the fact that you don't relate to technology

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@Intelligence_06
Thank you
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All I want in life is an Intel justification and a Lunatic and Pie claim
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@oromagi
and your power is activated by ingame circumstances?
Huh?
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@Intelligence_06
No. Well my role is deepfake, which is just an Ai program. That is just what deepfake is, not my entire role lol
Bruh I know that. Your PM has three parts: Your character, your role, and your role JUSTIFICATION. The justification explains why your character is your role. For example, skittlez's justification was: " i protect yo privacy by securely connecting you to the VPN provider, who then interfaces with a internet or the internet for u. im also pretty used in corporate environments so employees can access the company network safetly."

Please go to your PM and tell me what your justification is as close as you can without being modkilled
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@Lunatic
Have fun losing the game because of your pride.

Question: How does me claiming my abilities help you determine anything? It's not gonna suddenly make my justification make more sense. If you think my role not having a sensible justification means I am scum, you are going to try and lynch me regardless.
I think you're scum specifically because you're not claiming

Who said I can't confirm myself? Also you are just taking his word that he can. Why won't you take mine that I can as well? Of course it relies on me not being killed or blocked and sucessfully targeting someone.
Because you're being scummier. And if he can't then we'll just lynch him next DP

Your entire argument that I am scum is based on WIFOM that I am pulling a gambit with supa lol. Don't talk to me about fallacies.
And that you're withholding your claim, the only thing that would convince me that you + Supa are telling the truth, and the fact that you've pulled gambits before, and the fact that you say you have no tangible justification going against what the mod said. Almost like what you just said is a fallacy...

Any gambit I've pulled as scum at least makes sense though lol.
And this one doesn't? You claim results like Warren and Press did in my game and win because of them

You have no reason to think this is a gambit, you are just writing it off as one for no reason. If you are town and you suspect me because I've "pulled gambits before" then you can literally spin that argument in any game I play in. Statistcally I am going to be town too, you can't write that off.
But for the reasons stated above, I have good reason to suspect you
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@Intelligence_06
Bullish confirmed that there is

My role is just a string of text that can convert one thing to another
Is that all that your pm justification says?
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@Lunatic
Nah speed. I'm not claiming for any reason if pie doesn't claim first. If you think you can lead a mislynch on me go ahead.
Ok, have fun being dead

You went from being okay with pressuring pie to complete 180 in no time at all.
Because he can confirm himself, you can't lol

Town paranoia will be the death of us. You really think I got scum twice in a row?
Gambler's fallacy

You really think I would CC a JOAT and purposefully give a weak justification?
Yes, you've done crazier things lol

You dont think I'm capable of fake claimimg as scum? You literally jave no reason to pressure me.
Of course you are, but you like to gambit. You've literally told me that
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@oromagi
I'm gaming headphones
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And Supa's character literally has nothing to do with technology

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@Lunatic
I'll bet a sugar cookie that you're a Spy
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@ILikePie5
@oromagi
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@Intelligence_06
I'm willing to believe that Pie can confirm himself. Can we all pressure Lunatic?

I think it's him AND Supa, but even if you only think it's one, it's more likely to be Luna because he claimed after and is withholding his role, and claimed that there was no tangible link between his character and role.  My character and role have a strong connection, which is all the more evidence against him
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@MisterChris
Why are we even discussing mass claim? We've literally been given a list of 3 people who are potential scum with 1 GUARANTEED to be scum, and we're not pressuring/voting those people? WTF?
They're not guaranteed if Supa is scum. And this is perfect for scum because by the time we finish lynching all three, scum would have won
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@Intelligence_06
idk, what is wrong with a mimic that just let the other person keep the role if town?
Huh? I'm still waiting for your justification
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@oromagi
i think scum is recruiting and is probably at 3.  Mislynch today + NK tonight + successful recruit is endgame.

I think our best shot may be everybody out everything and hope the lies are a little more obv
I agree
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@oromagi
I was also thinking a mass claim would be beneficial
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@Intelligence_06
Your role justification
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@Lunatic
lol
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@Lunatic
I mean a full role claim
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@Intelligence_06
Can you please give your justification
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That's the theory of it. The actual definition is taking parts away and upgrading them to make it better because it became obsolete. That's the true definition of what it is. There's the theory of it, but my PM does not say it's the theory and I specified. So this tangent is wrong and you are misreading it
It's literally an economic concept that has nothing to do with technology lol
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@oromagi
Thoughts on a possible Supa/Luna team?
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