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Town should agree beforehand on what the NK and/or possible vig kill should be in case we get either of themThoughts? Do you have anyone who you want it to be?Discuss? Yes. Agree on? No.
Why not agree on?
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I can confirm that Warren told me prior to the start of the game that he would be busy
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@RationalMadman
Pie is right about popular being a possible Mafia role so outing as popular does nothing really
And claiming a cop with a guilty will then get that player lynched, who is likely town, and now you've got a mislynch for no reason and you'll get A SECOND mislynch when you lynch the player who got the "guilty"
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No, I am saying don't waste hitting four of a kind and having the power of surviving a normal lynch amount by claiming that role and getting 0 information from people's reactions to it. The only way to not do that is to fake/lie about what you are and bluff that you actually got less lucky than you did and gauge reactions (including if someone speed-hammers you or not).
Town is frequently wrong about what reactions are from town and from scum
We want to lynch, scum are the prey in this setup, town are the predators. This means that the longer it's dragged out, the more that scum can fake. Just because if tracker happens to be on the scum who did the NK, Town has an advantage (or watcher on the victim) doesn't mean much in overall probability of 'dragged out game with more roles used' favouring town. You need to understand that Mafia have their own roles which can completely fuck up what the results even mean for us.
Scum "faking" doesn't reduce the effectiveness of tracker/watcher/cop on them. And they definitely have roles, but they're not guaranteed to get those roles, and the role they get might not even defend against the role town gets
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Also, after thinking, we probably shouldn't be lynching at all. We want the game to go as slow as possible so there's a higher chance of scum getting caught by results
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@PressF4Respect
It’s very improbable that scum has their own NK. Considering there are 8 players in this game, a town-visible NK, and a possible vig, having another scum NK could very possibly wipe out 3/8 of the players in one night, and might even put the game into LYLO in DP2.
I think they very likely do, it's probably just like one of the three highest hands or something like that, so there's a chance they can get an extra kill but it's unlikely. I disagree very firmly with RM that the extra kill is as low as a pair
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It only requires 1 more. At the point where they are hammered, if they are active and if they are getting lynched for the false report or whatever else then they can read a lot into things. For example, Mafia will struggle immensely (or would but you forced me to out this) with the situation and make themselves goddamn obvious by not believing in the cop's guilty from the get-go. They will hesitate to pick a side or contribute at all, simply happy that the cop guilties a miller and if the guilty townie happens to out as not miller they will rub their hands together and leap onto the cop at once. This readiness, combined with me giving precedent for the claim here, lets them then go 'I am popular, you can test me if you want, I just didn't want to waste my luck by claiming popular and getting 0 reads out of that'.
You're suggesting that a townie get popular, LIE to town, get caught (and it's possible that they aren't even caught for the lie), then lynch the person that hammers them?
Except you're missing the fact that both scum AND THE REST OF THE TOWN both think that this person is scum, so they are both likely to hammer, (town is more likely since there are more of them, and mafia will try to jump on early)
And what if an extra person decides to vote? Then you've lynched a townie that would've been confirmed if he revealed AND you're likely not gonna catch mafia because of that
This is extremely anti-town
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it does, the hand required to get it is probably easier to achieve (more probable).
You're saying that the hand to get a vig kill on the mafia's list is probably easier than on our own list. And what you're not saying is that the probability of Mafia getting the NK is more likely than town getting it
Is that a good summary of what you're saying?
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@ILikePie5
That’s completely different than saying they require less luck to get the NK
I know lol that's what I'm trying to tell him
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@ILikePie5
He's saying that Mafia can probably get a vig kill from their own role list, which is probably true
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@RationalMadman
That's different. It's definitely possible and even likely that scum can possibly get their own version of the vig kill, but that doesn't affect the fact that scum has a smaller chance of getting the NK that's up for grabs
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No it isn't. Someone going for a quick hammer in a game where mafia is this terrified of being NK'd let alone lynched is more likley to be scum (and it doesn't matter if the hammer is towntelling, you can read into the others who sheeped it).
Lol, you saying this will ENSURE that scum DOESN'T quick hammer, they'll let a noob do it and that noob will get lynched.
Besides all that, how is a popular townie supposed to get themselves lynched?
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@ILikePie5
No, Pie is right. The list of roles that scum has has no bearing on who gets the NK. Everyone gets an equally random hand, and whoever has the highest hand wins. The roles scum has doesn't increase their chance of getting the highest hand, and therefore the NK
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@RationalMadman
Even if testing it is safe and it's an early day in the game, it's still stupid to out that you're popular rathre than bait scum into hammering you and going 'gotcha' while instead you outed as cop and revealed SO MUCH from both the reaction the one you guiltied and others.
That makes no sense. The person who hammers you could just as easily be town as it could be scum, in fact it's MORE likely that it's town.
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@RationalMadman
What?? Town who gets loved should IMMEDIATELY say that because we can test it and then confirm that they indeed did get loved, which then confirms them as town. Suggesting that town lies to town is inherently scummy
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Last time RM and bear were Mafia, they were solely focused on themselves and defending themselves. It literallly seems the exact same way now lol.
I'm not sure about Bear, but RM does that in every game regardless of affiliation
Bear has seemed to be much more active though, I just don't remember if he's more active scum or town
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@RationalMadman
Croc is playing very different to before. When he's town he doesn't give a damn about being scumread and lynched, now suddenyl he's all on guard and trying? Yeah I scumread him hard for that.
That makes way more sense. I think we do a Croc lynch and Bear kill if Croc is innocent
I'm ok with a Supa kill for lurking but I don't think Press is scum at all. We shouldn't lynch people for not understanding the rules
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@RationalMadman
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@BearMan
Like you said. We shouldn't lynch for a bad reason. Inactivity in the site is a bad reason, lurking, on the other hand is not.
Literally the exact opposite is true. Also I haven't defended Croc, I've only accused you of tunneling him
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@PressF4Respect
Bear for his tunneling of Croc or RM for being RM
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@BearMan
Betting does have consequences, both bad and good. Are you saying that you are supporting something that was your reason for me being scummy?
What? Betting has exactly 0 consequences, at least this DP when we know that no one is gonna get miller. There is literally no reason not to bet
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@BearMan
but why would you fold, when it has no consequences for us?Obvious scumslip.
This is obviously a grammatical error
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I know Bearman was suspected because he said not everyone should bet, which I would attribute to a misunderstanding of the rules
Why is everyone on Crocodile though? For posting fluff?
Why is everyone on Crocodile though? For posting fluff?
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@PressF4Respect
I sense a bit of OMGUS in 148
Not OMGUS but redirecting. I noticed the same thing
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@PressF4Respect
But it's better than an inexperienced player getting the NK and killing someone who's clearly townie. Even if mafia kills our target, we're still controlling the NK
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I'm thinking waiving the vig kill for now, NK can be either Bear or Crocodile
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@ILikePie5
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@PressF4Respect
Town should agree beforehand on what the NK and/or possible vig kill should be in case we get either of them
Thoughts? Do you have anyone who you want it to be?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Somebody looking at a different role set that the rest of us can't see?VTL bearman
That's actually a good point
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@PressF4Respect
But holding back character claim isn't scummy lol
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@PressF4Respect
Character claims are literally useless there's no point in and for them
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Town should agree beforehand on what the NK and/or possible vig kill should be in case we get either of them
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@PressF4Respect
The NK will go off period according to Bullish. In the hands of mafia it is 100% a townie getting hit, in the hands of town it is most likely town but a possibility of scum. The latter is the favorable situation
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@Bullish
If you bet, are you forced to use the role you get, or can you waive it?
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Inactives are people that don’t post or post rarely with no constructive comments. This is all obv contingent on the fact my behavioral reads don’t find anyone
Yeah I agree with lynching those people
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@ILikePie5
I'm ok with lynching lurkers but not people who haven't been on the site at all
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@RationalMadman
I must go for now sorry all I know you love to hate me.
Truer words have never been spoken
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