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@Barney
I'm not sure I fully understand your question so forgive me. But intelligent design is the same as creationism insofar as they posit a superfluous designer (creator), to otherwise working models of reality. ID, in order to be considered at all, must show that there is a designer and that the designer is intelligent, both of which are impossible.
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@3RU7AL
I think the ontological argument for god is a good example. I think it's logically sound, but it doesn't make gods existence a fact by any means
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@3RU7AL
...and or logically-necessary.
I'm not sure I agree that something that is logically necessary is a fact. Could you perhaps elaborate
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@Reece101
I’ll ask again. Can you please give me an example of a fact which consists of unknowns?
I havent been reading this thread so forgive me if Im just completely missing the mark, but when we shoot photons at glass, for every 100, between 0 and 16 of them reflect. The percent of reflection depends on the thickness of the glass. This is factual, But it is completely unknown how or which photons will reflect.
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@Barney
I know you didn't ask me, but intelligent design is a nice sounding body of misconceptions and fundamental problems. I'm pretty sure I've encountered every argument for intelligent design by now and they've all had serious flaws.
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@Theweakeredge
When it comes to economics you're going to run into two major forms of economists: The laissez-faire economist, (i.e. Milton Friedman, Murray Rothbard) who will become more "economic philosophers" the more free market they advocate; And the keynesian economist, who, because of the history of government intervention in the economy, has a considerable amount of data for their theories.
But remember that the left to right divide is a spectrum of government intervention in the market, and everyone is going to have different ideas about particulars.
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@seldiora
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/11/201104143644.htm
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@EtrnlVw
but the same effect could be had by a leaf, aimlessly falling onto the water from above, and the kinetic energy is still being transferred.
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@EtrnlVw
Okay, in that scenario, it wasn't the state of being aware that caused the ripples. It was the physical structure of the finger, transferring kinetic energy into the water, causing a ripple effect.
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@EtrnlVw
Okay, but you don't need consciousness to create energy
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@EtrnlVw
Wym when you say energy? because when I'm talking about energy I'm talking about a change in the physical state of a system that is reflected by another change in the physical state of a system
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@EtrnlVw
Idk man, I went on a ghost hunt the other day and it was a bunch of crap.
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@MgtowDemon
Also, you instigated this conversation.
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@MgtowDemon
Thanks for the diagnosis doc. Really insightful. You're obviously a troll dude.
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@MgtowDemon
That's not how I do things. Get over yourself
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@Depresseddad
He's just a troll man
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@MgtowDemon
What are you talking about?
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@ethang5
Yes, but Im not seeing the comnection
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@seldiora
Oro's loss was a huge upset, but life goes on. I'm sure after Thanksgiving ppl are gonna be right back at the eachothers throats.
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Chris is probably right. Ppl are doing stuff with their fams, no time for debates rn
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@Theweakeredge
It depends on if the fetus is a person. I say it may not be yet, but it will be in short time. So in that light, it is unethical to get abortions in the vast majority of cases. Occasionally, the mothers life is threatened.
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@EtrnlVw
@Theweakeredge
How much should consequences matter when weighing the moral value of an action?
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@Theweakeredge
That's correct, I'm a right leaning moderate. It's weird that he considered the idea that slaves were whipped "a left-wing narrative."
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@KeLu777
The wrongness of murder is an a priori principle that we apply to particular situations.
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@MgtowDemon
I decided that I'm not gonna get into an unending debate with you about a topic that doesn't really excite me . It's weird you think I'm left wing lol
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@Undefeatable
Will you continue on the site if you lose a debate?
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I think I don't understand the mechanics of debate well enough to be a top debater.
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@Danielle
In libertarian ethics, the right to private property is a logical derivative of the right to liberty. Idr which philosopher said it, but it's also been argued that private property is justified when one infuses their labor with an unclaimed object. So that's two justifications other than force.
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@Stephen
My bad, I didn't read all the way through. Didn't realize this was satire
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@Tradesecret
@Checkmate
Sounds like it boils down to "yes unless it's real"
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@Stephen
I don't think Job Is a good example of God's love and grace. I mean the man got tortured to within an inch of his life and all of his children killed because God made a bet.
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Yeah, it's not like we should just take their money from them. I think if you took all the money in the world and distributed it evenly, that 90% of the rich people now, would be rich again in 10 years.
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@seldiora
That's right, keep em comin'.
This is my only hookup for dart news now that DART Bard is gone.
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@SirAnonymous
Well that's sucks man, DART Bard was super quality. Hope you decide to take the cite back up again sometime. We're worse off without ya!
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@DebateArt.com
I think it would be a good idea to give mods the ability to vote on debates that end in a no vote tie
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@MgtowDemon
I'm at something so I will respond to this lot of nonsense later. But I'm mostly curious about, "I've encountered your line of argument many times, and a particular person tends to push it. It's reasonable to assume you fit the mold"
What mold is that?
What mold is that?
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@MgtowDemon
"If you use your mouse to scroll up to the OP of this thread (that's the very first post with #1 in the top right of its box), the blue and underlined text is what we call a 'hyperlink', and left-clicking your mouse opens a new page which has the citations I'm referencing (the OP post is mine, btw).If you can do that for me, you'll get a gold star"
Well, you condescending dick, I did click your hyperlinks and none of them supported your baseless assertion that "Also, data on the brutality of slave owners to slaves is very hard to find (perhaps because it doesn't exist)." It just shows that you haven't done much research. I of course meant you didn't cite anything relevant to the claim. However, I did misread that you said they were whipped for being educated.
"Firstly, this is Wikipedia..."
I cited wikipedia because you did with the prohibition of education.
"...that your kind likes to push"
It speaks volumes that you feel the need to profile me into some "kind" just because I disagree with you on a single topic. You don't know me or what I believe, so take this ignorance out of your replies.
"I have no doubt that there was the odd slave that was treated very poorly like this...Now, where is the evidence that *all* the other slaves were treated like this, or even a vast minority/majority?"
Now you've shifted from, prove slaves were whipped, to, prove all slaves were whipped, to, prove a vast majority/minority were whipped. What is "vast" to you? What will you accept as data if not the accounts of slaves themselves?
"If the slaves were treated this badly, then surely there would be data on this topic, instead of mere anecdotes like this."
lol Like slave owners are known for their meticulous beating records. All the data has to necessarily be anecdotal fundamentally, then compiled.
"I have no idea what you expected me to do with this link. "No e-book available" makes it difficult to read. You don't explain what was in the book and how it defends your position here. Have you actually read any of the sources you've provided here?"
I checked and rechecked and the link works for me. Ill repost it here: https://books.google.com.au/books?hl=en&lr=&id=tYJ1vVmnwbAC&oi=fnd&pg=PR7&dq=punishment+of+american+slaves&ots=de6dHcaFKJ&sig=7TxDjmbmgkPLUQojo73dUZ4NupM&redir_esc=y#v=snippet&q=whip&f=false
Here is an excerpt from page 85 since your computer is broken: "Punishment on the plantation was, essentially, physical punishment. The whip was the correctional instrument of all purpose. Usually, the slave was stripped to the waist, hands tied, and flogged on the back."
So how about you take the bass out of your tone.
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@MgtowDemon
Well you didn't cite anything, but you obviously don't have a problem with wikipedia. I'll cite three sources to your zer0.
You literally only said that, because it doesn't seem logical, then they probably weren't whipped. Right, because someone who owns slaves is going to be acting on pure logic lol
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"whipping your slaves seems illogical therefore it didn't happen"
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@Utanity
I mean, many years passed and I wasn't inconvenienced in the slightest
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@TheRealNihilist
I'm not sure where you get that idea
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@Theweakeredge
You're close. The maxim must be non-contradictory when concieved as a universal moral law.
It's cool if it doesn't really interest you. I just finished his book "Groundwork of the metaphysic of ethics." So I figured Id ask your opinion here lol
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@Theweakeredge
As in, the reason for the action must be applicable in all circumstances. You cannot derive categorical imperatives from any single example of an action, but instead the reason, applied universally.
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@Theweakeredge
No, the maxim for the action must be universally applicable as a moral maxim.
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@Theweakeredge
In other words, you can never discover a universal, necessary principle of morality by looking at a particular, contingent, perception.
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