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@rbelivb
You seem to be making a lot of abstract moralistic statements without outlining what the cause is, or what the solution would be.
But I have outlined the cause and some plausible solutions throughout this thread. Please keep up.
In my view such terms like "personal responsibility" are heavily codified with assumptions and baggage. The fact is that these communities have been denied rights and wealth - what you are basically saying is that they lack enthusiasm to play someone else's game. Implicitly you are denying the validity of black culture, and thereby denying the full personhood of the black community.
"These communities" have not been denied anything. Everyone has equal access to everything. You have to go get it. Just like Dr. Ben Carson did. Just like Denzel Washington and Morgan Freeman did. Just like the first female millionaire did, who was black, btw. Just like Booker T Washington did. Just like Jackie Robinson did. And so many others as well.
Life isn't a game. You only get out of it what you put into it.
There is no validity to black culture.
"...the full personhood of the black community."
That makes absolutely no sense. A community cannot possess "personhood." (The state or condition of being a person, especially having those qualities that confer distinct individuality.)
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@Ramshutu
I don’t believe I’ve seen anyone prominent - no one outside the odd Twitter crazy - that has materially objected to murder and violent crime rate - other than to point out that there is some level and some forms of racial skew in many types of crime statistics - which there is.
The issue I brought up has nothing to do with anyone "materially object(ing) to murder and violent crime rate," but rather everything to do with those on the left immediately calling anyone and everyone a racist merely for bringing up the fact that their narrative is false given that the criminological on black crime rates. In other words, they refuse to even look at the data let alone consider the juxtaposition of the data to the proportionality of blacks committing the crimes to their overall % of the total population. Also, there is no racial skew in crime statistics.
So on that basis - I think it’s rather disingenuous and largely arguing from a false premise to accuse the left of denying something I don’t really see being substantively denied outside the odd Twitter crazy.
Well, you yourself just began your premise here on a false assumption of what I proffered as my initial position. So the rest of this superfluous retort is rather moot, but I will continue to respond.
What is largely objected to, reasonably, is the inherently subtle, and occasionally not-so subtly implication you’re making - why is the black murder rate higher than the white murder rate.
There is nothing subtle about it. I call it like I see it and the criminological data doesn't lie. A very tiny % of black males ARE committing over 50% of the entire nation's murders and non-negligent manslaughters. They also do more violence directed at whites and Asians than vice versa. That is an objective fact.
One can either attribute that to some as yet unknown racial or genetic factors - that whites are somehow “better” than blacks - that they’re just bad parents, don’t discipline their kids, that black people are just bad at stuff, and because they’re black, they’re more likely to murder - etc. This, depending on what action you wish to take on is just thinly veiled white supremacy, and in cases were you just openly denigrate a race for being inherently bad at some current social measure than whites that veil is largely lifted entirely. Indeed, terminating your superficial search for why’s at behaviour you can attribute to the nature of the individuals themselves without looking any deeper is often used as pretence to oppress people and to justify open racism.
There is no white supremacy or racism in presenting fact based objective truth. And nowhere in any proposition or follow-up comment have I asserted there is some genetic factor involved making blacks lesser than whites, or any other race.
Before civil rights black Americans had pride, self-respect, and determination to succeed in America - despite the overt racism - blacks maintained a nuclear family and an out of wedlock birth rate of less than 22%. Black culture, music, entertainment, etc. was found intriguing and whites of all walks of life went to Harlem and other black communities to enjoy that entertainment. Blacks wanted to succeed then, but after civil rights, everything changed. Especially when LBJ instituted the war on poverty essentially forcing unwed black girls and women to marry the government if they wanted money to raise their children. This forced the fatherlessness upon a segment of the black community. It is that segment that has resulted in the small % of black males that have become this country's problem where violent crime is concerned.
Alternatively you can attribute it to complex sociopolitical factors; many of which have historical race components. For example things like, say, the social impact of the crack epidemic - caused in part due to mass poverty and historical redlining, mass incarceration that resulted in the collapse of family structure in many poor black communities; which in turn can fuel crime - as abuse, poor parenting, and broken families are one of the most substantial correlates with crime in the us.
I am so tired of hearing about the crack epidemic as an excuse for the failures of a segment of the black community. People CHOOSE to ingest an illicit drug. It is not forced upon them. When you CHOOSE to use addictive drugs, you also CHOOSE to accept the consequences of doing so.
Mass incarceration was a direct result of the 72% out of wedlock birth rates leading to the home to prison pipeline. The family structure was already collapsed prior to incarceration due to the lack of a nuclear family.
Black culture is the problem that fuels crime, abuse, rape, murder, poor parenting, drug use, gangs, so on and so forth.
Group behavioural trends are the incredibly complex interaction of innumerable factors, with genetics being a largely minor player in the churning mix. Add into this generational impact of various sociopolitical factors: if parents are exposed to some negative impact, it may impact their children, who can then impact their children - and on and on.
More like mass paranoia and psychosis of the victimhood mentality hammered into their heads generation after generation is the true inherent problem.
Even if such correlates did equate to causation - even if, say, a correlating gene was found that was specifically linked to and a causal factor of violent crime - does this mean that one must treat those with the gene as inferior - and tailor social policy to restrict their rights? Of course not; social policy and support should be promoted to prevent what is a genetic risk factor from being realized - in the same way we do for, say, cancers.
There is no gene at play here, but rather environmental and social-psychological factors in a lack of a proper upbringing that plays into the issues a segment of the black community faces.
This sort of attempt at argument; is not really logical or honest attempt at assessing the truth. It appears to be just finding a data and argument to try and provide a reasonable sounding justification for the racial views and prejudices you already have by analyzing what is inherently cherry picked data with a very narrow interpretation that doesn’t consider the wider picture.
Your first sentence makes no sense.
The second is pure BS. You do not know what I "already have" or don't have where analysis of the data is concerned. And I do not cherry pick data; and I have not given a full description of any argument as well. You're making a lot of [ass]umptions with no facts, rather all subjective conjecture.
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So-called gun control is a farce. Such controls ONLY affect the LAW ABIDING and NOT the criminal.
The government powers that be are either impotent or just plain out refusing to enforce already established law regarding gun violations.
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A zygote is NOT [a] human being.
A blastocyst is NOT [a] human being.
An embryo is NOT [a] human being.
An unviable fetus is NOT [a] human being.
Human is the descriptor defining the second term in that phrase, being. To be [a] (human) being is to be [a] person.
To be [a] person is not rooted in biology or physiology but rather everything to do with the law. Under the law, [a] person has all the rights, privileges and equal protections of the law. These rights, privileges and equal protection of the law is NOT bestowed until BIRTH, when the viable fetus is legally idendified/categorized as [a] (legal) person.
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@3RU7AL
>>what is your policy proposal ?<<
Tough love.
Shock therapy. No, not the electric kind, but rather hitting them hard with facts and correlating them to real life examples of the negative effects their lack of personal responsibility and accountability for their choices has upon them not only as individuals, but as a community. Then give them real life examples of those who took personal responsibility and accountability for the children brought into this world, regardless of circumstances (i.e., fatherlessness, motherlessness, raised by another family member, etc.), resulting in law abiding and highly productive successful members of society. Instill pride in them even down to the smallest of things (e.g., a bicycle, a car, a home, a home's yard, etc.) and what it means to appreciate the things you have and not take them or anyone else for granted. Appreciation for life. Their life. Their relative's lives. Their neighbor's lives. And the need to seek justice for slights against them and those they know by cooperating with law enforcement. But most of all, they need to respect themselves before they can learn to respect others. Build confidence and self-esteem. Be a go-getter, not go-gang banger. If Abraham Lincoln can be born into poverty, become self-educated and then grow up to become President of the United States...anyone born into any situation can become anything that they want to be and work hard to become.
That's the short version. I would have to write a book with a chapter dedicated to each measure to properly explain it.
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@rbelivb
It stands to reason that any community disproportionately living in poverty would have higher crime rates. The visible crimes of any society are committed, and exist, to the extent that it has developed an underclass - the invisible crimes are committed to the extent that it has developed an elite.
It has less to do with poverty and more to do with fatherlessness, lack of a proper upbringing by the single parent, lack of discipline, and lack of the sense and importance of taking personal responsibility and accountability for their choices and actions.
When there is proper upbringing with an adult taking an interest in the child's life, they learn discipline, respect for not only others but themselves, and they take personal responsibility and accountability for their choices and actions. There are plenty of examples of people born into poverty and make something marvelous of themselves and their life. If you need a list of examples, I would be more than happy to provide it.
The question, though, is why you think this is the case, or what you are trying to infer or accomplish by amplifying these statistics. Are you implying that these people are genetically inferior, or do you believe that their crime rates could be improved by moving the black community out of poverty?
Why what is the case? Be more specific.
The only thing I am implying is that the left, democratic blacks, and white guilt liberals refuse to acknowledge that there is a problem within the black community that no one wants to address and work to fix. Can't fix a problem unless you admit there is a problem. To them there is no problem other than white supremacy, which is a false narrative.
Moving anyone out of poverty removes the consequences of their choices and actions that keeps them in poverty. That will not work. They will just end up back in poverty. They need to learn discipline, respect, and the importance of taking personal responsibility and accountability for their choices and actions - and understand the consequences of any bad choices and actions they make.
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@SkepticalOne
For some unknown reason, you seem to be under the impression opinion and propaganda carry equivalent weight to data and objective analysis of it. Only the latter (which I provided) qualifies as fact.
Nope. Not even close.
Opinion pieces cite both common knowledge (which requires no citations to data, because... it is COMMON knowledge) and verifiable data. You're just refusing to read and consider the info provided therein because of the source and style of the piece. Hence the observation of you committing the genetic fallacy. Still.
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@SkepticalOne
You've provided 3 opinion pieces from questionable and strongly biased sources.
That's an implicit genetic fallacy.
Try again. Actually read what is being conveyed and then respond accordingly. Waiving the hand of denialism isn't proof of an argument.
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@CoolApe
In the case of consensual sex, both parents should have custody of the child regardless of their liking it. The state should enforce visitation of the father because fatherless children perform far below children with fathers. Forget child support. The state should force parents to live close to each other and make them both pay for the child. If the father and mother are irresponsible, they can pay for the consequences.
Neither is a parent until birth. Until then, they are just gamete doners. That's it.
A pregnancy is NOT [a] child.
I do agree on the child support matter, both are equally responsible, and neither should pay more than the other, other than time.
In the case of nonconsensual sex, we hope the mother will still love the child. If she is incapable of loving the child, it's likely in the child’s best interest for the mother to give the child up for adoption. Seeking restitution from rapists is not feasible in most cases. Unless it's a wealthy rapist, the rapist will never make the income to support the child while serving his sentence or getting out of jail.
The pregnancy, if carried to term, would be a waking reminder of the trauma experienced that conceived that offspring. She didn't ask to be violated. She should no more be asked to carry to term for something that would have otherwise never have happened to her, but for the "nonconsensual sex."
Adoption? There are over 90 million children worldwide who have been unwanted and given up for adoption or became orphans through circumstances clearly beyond their control. Why add to the growing problem by forcing women to become incubators for society?
Lastly, abortion should be illegal in all cases unless it protects the mother's life. The fetus is not like an organ of a female body. She is not entitled to dispose of it or treat it like her other body parts. A fetus is a person and not a organ. It is a dependent person. However, we never kill a dependent child or person, nor do we kill a young child because it won’t have a good life.
Possession is 9/10ths the law. Familiar with that saying? I am sure you are. The pregnancy is within the female's body. She possesses it. It is hers for all intent and biological/physiological purposes. A pregnancy has no legal rights. The female has legal rights. And no human willingly disposes of "her other body parts" willy nilly. Such an uneducated false equivalency fallacy that is. A pregnancy is NOT [a] person. A zygote is NOT [a] person. A blastocyst is NOT [a] person. A fetus is NOT [a] person. A birthed child = [a] person and upon birth are bestowed all the legal rights, privileges and equal protection of the law (14th A.). Which clearly means no birthed person can be killed, that would clearly be murder. Abortion is NOT murder.
94% of ALL abortions take place before 14 weeks gestation. Majority of those are before 6 weeks. There is no "baby" or "child" involved. Those terms are too often used in this debate, both are flagrant misnomers.
Less than 1.3% of ALL abortions are after 22-24 weeks gestation (point of viability), and for specific medical reasons.
Abortion is safe and necessary for the evolution of humanity. It should remain legal.
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https://youtu.be/PAvdUjGM5hU (Stupid Black Men: How to Play the Race Card and Lose)
Why Are All the Black Kids Sitting Together? A Conversation with Beverly Daniel Tatum - ASCD (Self-segregation)
I can go on and on and on. I have over 400 books in my own personal library on black history in America, some dating to the mid 1800s. The information is out there, but most just do not care to research it. They just buy the snake oil being sold to them by race baiters, divisive black and white leaders, and so on.
The fact-based truths are out there, but the left, blacks, and white guilt liberals refuse to listen.
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@SkepticalOne
I can go on and on and on and on...
It has been common knowledge the left has been working hard to silence any dissenting conservative voice online. Namely FascistBook, Instagram and Twit-ter
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@Reece101
You are an incel, or a troll, or both.
Not worth engaging.
Adieu
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@SkepticalOne
If it is not supported by the evidence, then prove it. I (we) will wait. But we will NOT hold our breath.
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@badger
Every moment of the day is PAST your bedtime, incel.
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@Danielle
I renew my suggestion; you need to read less Howard Zinn and A LOT more Thomas Sowell.
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@badger
"I guess it makes sense a racist would be so dumb."
That...is...EXACTLY what an intellectual coward would say.
Dunning Kruger Effect on full display by you. Awesome.
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@Danielle
You are a real piece of work. Like I said, I bet you have fraud white boy Jeffrey Shaun King, Ben Crump, Jesse Jackson and even Al Sharpton at the top of your friends list. Racial paranoia just exudes from your comments. It is clear you are too stubborn (i.e., close-minded) to hear other fact-based points of view. Which you established when you refused to review the video that I linked to by former black officer Brandon Tatum.
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@badger
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Awesome #sophomoric banal retort. God. Please troll somewhere else.Unlike you, I am seeking a true emotional and intellectually intelligent discussion here.
Nowhere in that linked statement of mine do I state, and I quote, as you did, "religious rant."
You lose. Try again. Clown.
Also, you took that quote from a different forum. Red herring fallacy. Clown x2
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@badger
Nothing I said was racist, you intellectual coward.
"We could drop a nuclear bomb on Harlem."
#Hypocrite
"religious rant"
Control F shows no reference to this other than our own comment. Hmmmm....
You've just proven that you are an #intellectualcoward
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@Danielle
It is clear you are afraid of the truth.
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@badger
You clearly have no interest in honest emotional and intellectually intelligent debate on this site. DO NOT poison my discussions with your sophomoric banality. Please.
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@Danielle
"My concern with the debate is that we're going to be talking past each other in a way that's not constructive. I'd essentially be arguing that current racial disparities exist in large part as the result of past racism. I wouldn't be arguing that racism today is the cause. If you're down with that I guess we can move forward. "
Translation: "I will not listen to fact-based data that contradicts my emotively driven subjective position on policing and racism in Amerikkka."
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@Reece101
By imposing upon them the same they would impose upon law enforcement and the white population: transparency, personal responsibility and accountability. And that first begins by getting them to take the first step in finding solutions that work for them, and that first step is by admitting that there is a problem.You don’t think black communities with high crime rates don’t know what’s happening? If so, seems to me you have many blind spots.
Took a day off, and man did IQs drop sharply while I was away.
JFC, Reece. It is a foregone conclusion that black communities with high crime rates know exactly what is happening, but they are just too chicken sh!t to do anything about it. Your psychological projection clearly establishes that the only blind spot here is your own.
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@SkepticalOne
People get kicked off platforms for all kinds of reason, most of which are purely unsubstantiated leftist bullshit.Fact or opinion?
Obvious fact. The internet and each platform is replete with case after case.
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@SkepticalOne
The manner in which you are asserting those reasons are purely conjectural.
You inferred I was a layman; I disclosed my academic and professional background to quash that idea.
The ban is the end result (consequence) of their false reasoning. The former (initial) act justifies the latter.
In any case, it's not like I can post receipts here. So, you will just have to take my word for it; that is, unless you can prove I am lying. Since you cannot, it seems futile (for you, that is) to keep harping on something you cannot even establish as an actual fact.
Again, I have no reason to lie about it. People get kicked off platforms for all kinds of reason, most of which are purely unsubstantiated leftist bullshit. So, it isn't that much of a leap to believe that I too have been subjected to those same unsubstantiated BS reasons and left to find forums like this to discuss the very topic and supporting fact-based data used that got me kicked off those platforms.
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@Danielle
Last but not least, Martin was no saint. Evidence was collected of his social media that included photos and texts outlining how his mom was kicking him out of the house to live with his dad because he kept skipping school.LOL dear lord. You have a great evening.
Cherry picking and leaving out other material facts that gives more context to the quoted statement is most unimpressive. Screams denialism. Intellectual cowardice.
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@Danielle
What narrative?
Uh, it's common knowledge. Has been for some time. Living under a rock, or ... ?
I can go on and on...
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@Danielle
@bmdrocks21
More like a bloodlust. The lacerations on Zimmerman’s head and grass stains on his back proved that.No it doesn't. I would love for you to try and explain how you think it does. How can you prove it wasn't self defense?There's no evidence that Trayvon Martin would have ever engaged with Zimmerman if Zimmerman hadn't approached him for no reason.
First, Martin was on TOP of Zimmerman throwing punch after punch. Not the other way around. And Martin, after realizing he was being surveilled, snuck around and approached Zimmerman in order to sucker punch him, knocking him to the ground.
Second, had you paid ANY attention at all to the trial and the evidence given before and during, yes, Martin wantonly engaged Zimmerman of his own choosing. He reaped what he sowed the same as Michael Brown did.
Last but not least, Martin was no saint. Evidence was collected of his social media that included photos and texts outlining how his mom was kicking him out of the house to live with his dad because he kept skipping school. But the actual damage was his texts detailing how he was into street fighting and was looking for street cred by beating the crap out of someone. It is clear Zimmerman ended up being that someone. So yeah, there was plenty of evidence demonstrating Martin doubled back and attacked Zimmerman, not the other way around.
"I detest those terms. “Pro-life” and “pro-choice” are specific abortion euphemisms, not political ideologies.I agree, but the point remains: people who allegedly value human life so much should be highly suspect about needlessly killing people.
Still a false equivalency fallacy.
"Almost every high-profile police black killing was justified and/or reasonable based on circumstances. It’s clear that these are just blatant attacks on cops, and recognizing that isn’t boot lickingI disagree. First off many killings and abuses don't make it to a "high profile" case status, so we don't know how many are justified or not. But I do think many of the more famous recent killings aren't justified -- i.e. Trayvon Martin, obviously, Philando Castille, Eric Garner and yes George Floyd among others. Insisting that cops are justified in kneeling on someone's neck to the point they asphyxiate for a crime like selling loose cigarettes or whatever is batshit crazy. The penalty for that is supposed to be a small fine. Cops shouldn't be shooting people for running away from them either. Again it's amazing to me just how little people seem to care about due process when it comes to certain suspects.
"In 74 percent of fatal police shootings, police pulled the trigger only after the other person fired, brandished their gun, or attacked someone, the Post analysis points out. An additional 16 percent occurred when a person was acting in a dangerous and threatening manner, such as refusing to put down a knife."
Trayvon Martin wasn't shot and killed by law enforcement, so leave him out.
No one but Chauvin knows how much pressure was truly applied to the base of Floyd's neck. Regardless, no one can deny the toxicology report clearly showing he had more than fentanyl in his system to kill him 2x over. It was his respiratory distress, a fact he was even screaming about in his car (heard on body cam audio) as police approached. It was NOT the knee on the neck that killed him, and I do not care what anyone on the left or the lying medical examiners and other pseudo hacks the state used to convict Chauvin. Fentanyl killed Floyd (i.e. Floyd killed Floyd).
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@Danielle
@thett3
" White people aren't being oppressed by black people, and the idea that black people are wantonly attacking white people in some sort of quiet race war is an untruthful and damaging narrative. "
Uneducated denialism right there.
Three Black Women Wanted For Violent, Racist Attack on White Woman on NYC Bus (thegatewaypundit.com)
I can go on and on and on...
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@Danielle
"I feel like it's obvious that racism and bigotry are the root of many disparities in the U.S. "
That's EXACTLY what someone suffering from the victimhood mentality would say, not to mention a denialist of truth.
You need to read less Howard Zinn and a lot more Thomas Sowell.
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@Danielle
"Why on earth would anyone waste a single minute of their time watching videos of black people act stupid?
Uh, to make a point and prove the left's narrative false. DUH!
Anyway I don't doubt that people have a hard time with statistics, but I do suspect you weren't blocked on social sites for simply presenting the data lol.
What you suspect, think, feel or believe is immaterial. The only thing that matters is what you can prove.
You probably said something problematic along with the numbers. It's not racist to cite the stats, but it is racist to suggest that black people have a predisposition to immoral behavior or something like that. People aren't hardwired for violence based on the amount of melanin in their skin. I'm sure you know that.
Truth isn't racist. And truth be told, some people are predisposed to immoral behavior. They're not born immoral, but they are certainly taught to be. That's just a fact when kids are born without fathers and mothers who don't give a damn about them.
What is your point in discussing how much crime blacks commit? Are you advocating for or against a specific policy or something? "
*sigh* To correct the prevailing narrative that has been pushed since Floyd's death. That's why. It is a false narrative that began with the shooting death of Michael Brown and was amplified 1000x when Floyd died. None of the rhetoric spewed from the left, black leaders, liberals, and democrats pan out when confronted with the truth. A truth they and everyone else likeminded or would be so easily brainwashed into believing their drivel, simply do not want to hear because it destroys their narrative. The prevailing narrative. I cannot stand idly by and say nothing. So, I make it a point to address the truth regarding the black vs white and cops narrative in order to dispel the divisive lies and race baiting.
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@Danielle
@bmdrocks21
"Almost every high-profile police black killing was justified and/or reasonable based on circumstances. It’s clear that these are just blatant attacks on cops, and recognizing that isn’t boot licking."
100% accurate assessment there! But Danielle is a fundamentalist who likely has Ben Crump and Shaun King at the top of her liked/friends list, so she won't listen to reason. I mean really, she came out the gate calling you a racist just like every other lefty democratic believer in the race baiting rhetoric built on lies they turn a blind eye to.
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@Danielle
Oh I was laughing because it was just such a stupid and useless comment to make. Who cares if you can find examples of black people "acting a fool" online? What is that supposed to prove? You can find examples of anyone from [insert group here] acting a fool.
Clearly the point flew over your head. A point that Tatum made crystal clear in the video I cited. A video you neglected to even watch. Hmmm...
I'm curious though - when you say leftists "deny data that clearly demonstrates that black Americans . . . commit over 50% of the entire nation's murders and non-negligent manslaughters" along with other violent crimes, what exactly are those people saying in response to the statistics? Are they challenging the numbers?
Nope. No challenge. What do they say in response? I will tell you. It is the same across the board.
"You're a racist."
That's it. That is their rebuttal. Just like you did here in response to another commentor.
"Trayvon Martin was a 17 year old kid walking home with Skittles that led to his being harassed and killed -- but you're describing him as a wannabe murderer? Is there a reason other than being a racist piece of shit that you would presume Trayvon Martin had an interest in killing people? "
For the few that try to rebut my position with cited FBI UCR, DOJ, BOJS, NCVS, et al they come back with erroneous claims that whites commit more crimes because there are more whites, yadda yadda yadda. Like everyone else, they absolutely fail to grasp the reality of proportionality among the statistics.
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@3RU7AL
out of wedlock birthwhich will likely skyrocket with the new anti-abortion laws in place
Indeed.
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@SkepticalOne
You DO have reason to lie if you did what they said and you don't want to be condemned ir held accountable for it. Also, your ban does not speak to anyone's else's guilt. That is a non-sequitor.
No, I do not have any reason to lie. You will need to substantiate that claim if you're going to continue insinuating I am a liar.
If the left platform doesn't want to be exposed for abusing their own terms of service by making fallacious claims that a user violated them all because they cannot handle the truth, then it is they who are the guilty ones for lying to get their way. So no, it's not a non sequitur fallacy.
Yes, but is that what you did? If you are using cherry-picked data to draw a broad conclusion that dark-skinned peoples are inferior in some way, you're not posting 'fact-based truth' and youre likely violating most TOS.
For the record, I possess two legal degrees. One in Paralegal and the other in Criminology and Criminal Justice. I have worked in federal law enforcement. I have worked under a County Sheriff as the first civilian hire to do all the background checks on potential county hires. I have also worked for a County DA's Office as well backing up the Office Manager, two Felony DDAs, two Misdemeanor DDAs and the Jury Coordinator. I am an excellent researcher/investigator. I know my facts. And I never post anything anywhere that I cannot back up with facts. I do NOT cherry pick data. I do not draw broad conclusions either. And nowhere have I made any asserted claim or stated position that "dark-skinned people are inferior in some way" either. That's a false assumption on your part. Talk about drawing subjective conclusions.
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@Danielle
lol
Helps if you include the entirety of the statement to give it proper context. Otherwise, you're just being disingenuous.
This is a more recent example, but there are plenty more to be found.
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@3RU7AL
@Novice_IIfactors or variables outside of racismlike what ?"black culture" ?why not just say "black culture" in the resolution ?
Yup.
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@SkepticalOne
That cuts both ways. OP and those who banned him are both innocent until proven guilty. It is fair to say we do not know if OP's ban from multiple sites was justified or not.
Again, I have no reason to lie and the fact that I was banned demonstrates a measure of their guilt. Making false allegations claiming I violated their policies on hate speech and symbols by merely citing fact-based data sources, to include research by some MSM sources, is a testament to their denialism of said truth. And out of that denialism came my permanent suspension.
Posting fact-based truth is NOT a violation of the terms of service, but they railroaded me with said violation(s) anyways.
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@Reece101
The left tends to be skeptical of laymen who are fixated on negative statistics of minority groups.
Ah, but I am no layman; and the only thing I am fixated on is the truth.
What are your solutions to these problems? Preferably not of the Hitler type.
By imposing upon them the same they would impose upon law enforcement and the white population: transparency, personal responsibility and accountability. And that first begins by getting them to take the first step in finding solutions that work for them, and that first step is by admitting that there is a problem.
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@3RU7AL
"have you considered running those same statistics specifically for "economic status" ?"
No, I personally have not. Studies have already been done regarding same. Regardless, outside of the black athletes well known for their criminality (DV, drugs and occasionally murder), black professionals (i.e., law abiding) - excluding politicians - just do not rank among the actual criminal element that arises directly from the 72% out of wedlock birth rates for that segment of the black population that causes the home to prison pipeline.
"In fact, 72 percent of adolescents charged with murder grew up without their father (Characteristics of Adolescents Charged with Homicide, 1987)."
Old stat, but ever more true present day.
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@oromagi
Well, well well... I left a word out. Shame on me. I meant to say LESS than half of the 6% black male population.
So, I stand corrected on that lack of verbosity.
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@zedvictor4
thank you
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@oromagi
"I think you mean to say that black men are roughly 6% (US population that is black is 12.4%, back (sic) males are 48% of that."
Reading comprehension matters. You only repeated what I said. That the black male population is roughly 6%, and half of it commits over 50% of the entire nations murders and non-negligent manslaughters.
"Latest FBI homicide stats are for 2019 and say blacks are offenders in 6,425 of 16,245 or 39.6% of reported homicides.
If you leave out the 30% of reported homicides where race is not reported (sic) I think your "over 50% stat" is correct."
Well, at least that we agree upon.
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@oromagi
Truth is what it is, truth.
I have no reason to lie. I stated a fact. I have been banned for the reasons stated. Fact.
It [is] the way of leftist platforms like IG, FB, etc. to ban users who post truth contradictory to the prevailing message the MSM and race baiters put forth. Again, fact.
Resilient = leaping back; rebounding; recoiling ... so no, I meant what I said.
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@badger
Awesome #sophomoric banal retort. God. Please troll somewhere else.
Unlike you, I am seeking a true emotional and intellectually intelligent discussion here.
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@badger
What does your religious rant have to do with what I proposed as the topic of this discussion?
Answer: NOTHING!
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To date I have been permanently suspended from Instagram, Facebook and Twitter directly (and very specifically) due to posting fact-based truth backed by criminological (and other scientific) data that clearly demonstrates that black Americans, namely half of the roughly 6% of black male population in the US do in fact commit over 50% of the entire nation's murders and non-negligent manslaughters; and that they are also disproportionately represented among other violent crimes like robberies and rapes. And yet those on the left, brainwashed black Americans, white guilt liberals and democrats deny these truths. They twist and manipulate the news to fit their agenda in order to divide people by race, class and more poignantly by gender/sex.
Nearly every single day there is a video posted online across various social media platforms of some black person acting a fool, and intelligent blacks rip them apart for being just that, acting a fool. Former Officer Brandon Tatum is one of them. Larry Elder. You name it. In fact, I am impressed by the number of black American's who are posting their reactions on YouTube to what they see/hear from Thomas Sowell, one of the greatest scholars of this time, regarding black history across the world; but namely America since he too is an American and wanted to understand the plight of blacks on this side of the planet (North America, Central America, South America and the Caribbean).
Blacks, like Hispanics, are moving to the right and for good reason. Yet so many try to keep them under the Democratic bootheel.
Thoughts for discussion?
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I just found this debate site and like it so far, but I am curious as to why there is no law enforcement or legal/law section for debates?
Seeing as there is a big push on the left to argue cops are bad and the law is racist, it would be a great section to debate under.
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