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@TheUnderdog
This is what the conservatives have become:
Huh? "Become" is an awfully strange term to use here...
Conservatives: We are pro life. (sic) I think they are more right here since I think there should be a punishment for abortion.
Not all conservatives are pro-life, in the strictest sense. I am a conservative, and I am both pro-choice and pro-life. The differentiation is fetal viability. Anything before, abortion is fine. Anything after, abortion is not okay.
But the penalty should be a lifetime 10% sales tax on anything bought for the rest of their life, but the sole person who ensures the tax is the father of the aborted baby. Any parent of an aborted baby should be barred from public office unless the pregnancy was conceived through rape, there are fetal defects, or is a threat to the life of the mother.
This is pure BS!
Reality: Herschel Walker paid for an abortion. But he denies it but still calls himself a Republican.
Non Sequitur, irrelevant, nonsensical.
Conservatives: We will vote for him. He is on our team.
This makes no sense. People do not vote for others merely because they are on their team.
Conservatives: Child rape must be punished with death. I think they are right here; I don’t want my tax dollars feeding them. They beloved this in 2008, and a majority of the American population supports the death penalty for rape I think (I’m not sure, but this is out of my experience)Reality: Roy Moore is a child rapist.Conservatives: We will vote for him because he’s a republican. Alabama’s governor would support him even if he was a child rapist because all she cares about is the party of the politician.
I agree child rape must be punished with death. I mean, they will get it after all when they are convicted. Inmates in most prisons do not favor child rapists.
Anyone charged and/or convicted of child rape simply do not get a free life let alone freedom to run for political office. All their skeletons tend to fall out of the closet, sooner or later.
Conservatives: We need to cut welfare.
And? We do. It has had a devastating effect upon minorities.
Reality: Many welfare recipients vote Republican.
Wrong. They vote Democrat.
The rest of your post is pure drivel.
I'd even call it trolling.
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What about an indentation feature added to the bullet points and number indentation?
It would be nice to indent without the bullet points and number indents. Just a plain indentation.
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"If corporal punishment of children is good, do you also approve of beating dogs?"
False equivalency fallacy.
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"Charles Barkley recently explained why "we as black people are never going to be successful." His reasoning is painful:
"We as black people are never going to be successful, not because of you white people, but because of other black people. When you are black, you have to deal with so much crap in your life from other black people," Barkley said.
Barkley, a native of Leeds, [Alabama,] said African Americans are too concerned with street cred than true success and that's holding the community back.
"For some reason we are brainwashed to think, if you're not a thug or an idiot, you're not black enough. If you go to school, make good grades, speak intelligent, and don't break the law, you're not a good black person. It's a dirty, dark secret in the black community.
"There are a lot of black people who are unintelligent, who don't have success. It's best to knock a successful black person down because they're intelligent, they speak well, they do well in school, and they're successful. It's just typical BS that goes on when you're black, man."
It's worth noting that there isn't much difference between Barkley's claim that "there are a lot black people who are unintelligent" and the claims of a garden-variety racist. I assume that Barkley meant to say something more nuanced. That more charitable analysis, though, is far from a "dirty dark secret." The notion that black irresponsibility is at least part of the "race problem" is widely shared among black America's most prominent figures, beginning—but not ending—with the president of the United States.
~ Thinking people have a decision to make. Will they follow a tradition that half-apologizes when powerful people commit awful crimes? Or will they follow the tradition of Ida B. Wells, of study and investigation, of trying to understand, no matter how horrible that understanding may ultimately seem to be?
It never ceases to amaze me how it is okay for a black person to tell the truth about blacks and certain aspects of the black experience (community, life, etc.) with little to no criticism, but if a white person says no different, they are labeled "a garden-variety racist." However as of late, when educated black individuals speak no differently than Charles Barkley, even expanding on that truth with facts over the left's fiction, they are labeled "the Black face of white supremacy" like Larry Elder, among others.
Another example is Jonathan Capehart, who has been accused just the same as being the black face of white supremacy.
"To be fair, he’s one of many black faces of white supremacy — one of many famous black media figures who whimper for white progressive sympathy while enjoying the lavish life of a 1 percenter.
As someone who’s been poor, homeless multiple times and lived check-to-check, I don’t appreciate it when the world’s most fortunate black people bastardize my existence and expect me to live in fear while being applauded for selling me out.
They are the bigots of low expectations, and we should always remind them of our present-day and historical fortitude."
Flagrant wanton denialism of truth, facts, evidence of those on the progressive left, democrats, and their cohorts is rather disturbing and self-destructive.
Thoughts?
Discuss.
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@Intelligence_06
Common knowledge is that which is widely available and known by most (not a few, not all). Ever since Michael Brown’s death that sparked the BLM garbage, the study published the same year has been cited and re-cited ever since. Therefore, it categorically is common-knowledge.
This is a forum, not a university or some other organization requiring dissertation level written papers.
I would expect citations, even if common knowledge, in the debate section (for consistency of thoroughness), but not the forum section.
Some of the Justices don’t even know the Constitution in it’s entirety, and have even violated it in either their affirmation of a ruling or in their dissent.
Your rocket scientist example on Astronomical equations is extreme. They are not even n a forum speaking to general people. Now are they.
Again, take your excuses elsewhere. Not buying any of it.
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@Intelligence_06
That’s right, they did. Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to Google it for themselves. Like I said. It’s common knowledge and has been since 2014. So take your whiny lazy ass excuses elsewhere.
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@Intelligence_06
Still, we cite sources, even on arguments of this very site.
Common knowledge doesn’t require citation.
AND while I appreciate that most on this site recognize the need and use for citing non-common knowledge data, some here refuse to check those citations precisely because they’re too lazy and demand cliff notes of those citations. Double_R being the biggest/main offender.
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@Dr.Franklin
One singular post can be done to write the several one sentences you did in more than one post. 🤦♂️
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@IwantRooseveltagain
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@TWS1405_2
Ok Rohm. I know you didn’t post this, it’s factual and you aren’t into factual, just Fascism.
Strawman. And you jsut did what you’ve accused me and so many others of doing, lying. Go figure.
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@Dr.Franklin
No, people do NOT want to be told what to do. At least emotionally and intellectually intelligent people do not. All others, well, sheep easily directed to the slaughter house.
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@Intelligence_06
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- A Washington State University study has conclusively shown that law enforcement are less likely to pull the trigger on a black suspect than any other race.
Unlike the source at criticism which may include somewhat biased sources, you gave none when there is supposed to be one.Where is it?
That study has been noted, annotated, addressed, commented on and repeated since 2015, especially whenever a black person was shot by a cop and the left went into a frenzy. It is common knowledge. You could have Googled it for yourself.
Since you are so lazy, like Double_R, here you go:
"Participants in an innovative Washington State University study of deadly force were more likely to feel threatened in scenarios involving black people. But when it came time to shoot, participants were biased in favor of black suspects, taking longer to pull the trigger against them than against armed white or Hispanic suspects."
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Serious responses only, please.
Don't be a dick.
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As of late, there have been many natural and manufactured crises going on in America.
With heightened tensions with China, North Korea, and Russia...war is not impossible and could very well be highly probable if the democrats keep running America into the ground and flushing freedom down the toilet.
So, what have you been doing to prepare?
Better to have and not need, then need and not have.
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I am a huge consumer of horror movies of all genre types (except those focused on the LGBTQ+@#$&^ alphabet soup kind).
Suspense. Drama. Horror. Scare. Gory. Scary. Haunts. Paranormal. Horror. Horror. Horror. I enjoy a good scare.
Some of my all-time favorites, even those I watch over and over again include (but are not limited to) the following:
Terrifier
Terrifier 2
Poltergeist (original)
Halloween and Halloween II (Rob Zombie's remakes)
All the Conjuring related movies
Exorcist
Scream (original)
A Nightmare on Elm Street (original)
The Thing (original and remake)
JAWS
Alien
The Shining
Smile
Contracted and Contracted II
Malignant
Prey for the Devil
Christine
Ring (remake)
Come Play
Mama
Winchester
Clown
SAW trilogy
Hostile movies
Deliver Us from the Devil
Unfriended
Paranormal Activity movies
The Woman in Black
The Possession
Sinister and Sinister II
What are some of your all-time best scary hauntings of movies?
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@Novice_II
@Sir.Lancelot
Sure thing.
Hey, Novice_II, whassup!!!!
Bring the rain!
TWS
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8 Facts you should know about racial injustice in the criminal justice system: Racial discrimination has been ingrained in the criminal legal system from its earliest days and persists today.
"The legacy of slavery, racist Jim Crow laws, and hateful lynchings has translated into modern-day mass incarceration and the disproportionate imprisonment of Black people."
1. More than half of death row exonerees are Black.
Of the 185 people exonerated from death row since 1973, about 53% are Black, according to the Death Penalty Information Center. Historically the death penalty has been disproportionately applied to Black people in the U.S., and they are still overrepresented on death row.
- FACT: Black or African American commit over 50% (53%) of the homicides for the entire country.
- FACT: Black or African American are 58% of the homicide victims (with over 90% being killed by other blacks or African American).
2. Nearly half the people currently on death row are Black
In 2020, about 42% of people on death row were Black...though Black people make up just 13% of the U.S. population overall.
The death penalty is more likely to be used in cases in which a white person is killed...
- When less than 0.5% of the 6% black population of 13% total black or African American population are committing over 50% of the entire nation's violent person crime, it stands to reason that blacks would be overrepresented on death row for the homicides they commit.
- Every year blacks or African Americans kill more whites than vice versa. So, it stands to reason that the death penalty would be "more likely" used in such cases, versus when a white killing a black, which are significantly fewer.
3. Half of the 2,947 people exonerated since 1989 are Black.
According to the National Registry of Exonerations, 1,471 Black people have been exonerated since 1989.
- Clearly for a multitude of differing reasons on a case-by-case basis.
4. Innocent Black people are seven times more likely to be wrongfully convicted of murder than innocent white people.
Among Black people exonerated from murder convictions, approximately 31% were wrongly convicted of killing white people, though just 15% of homicides by Black people involved white victims...
- They need to define "wrongly," as there are a multitude of differing reasons; and the other 85% of homicides by black people involved black victims. Intraracial violence is grossly excessive within the black community.
5. It takes longer to exonerate an innocent Black person.
Black people wrongly convicted of murder spend an average of three more years in prison than white people — four if they are on death row. Innocent Black people spend an average of 16 years on death row before they are exonerated.
- The appeals process and filing of motions by the innocence project takes time. No legitimate exoneration happens overnight.
6. Police misconduct occurred in more than half of all wrongful murder conviction cases involving innocent Black people.
According to the National Registry of Exonerations, cases of Black people exonerated from wrongful murder convictions were 22% more likely to involve police misconduct than similar cases involving white defendants.
- Vague. Misconduct needs to be defined here; and white defendants sure as shit have been railroaded by police "misconduct" as well.
7. About one-third of unarmed people killed by police are Black.
Of the more than 149 unarmed people killed by the police in 2017, 49 were Black, according to Mapping Police Violence.
- And? It is common knowledge that since then (and even prior to), blacks have become ever more brazen with law enforcement encounters where they immediately become defiant, verbally accosting, resist arrest, flee, fight and even try to harm the police. As such, 90-95% of all shootings are ruled legally justified.
- Cops are approximately 19x more likely to be shot and killed by an armed black person, than an unarmed black person being shot (and not necessarily killed) by police at approximately 2.5-3x.
- In the aggregate, whites and Hispanics are shot more by police, not blacks.
- A Washington State University study has conclusively shown that law enforcement are less likely to pull the trigger on a black suspect than any other race.
8. Black people are more likely to be stopped and searched.
Studies have shown that Black people, Latinx people, and communities of color are more likely to be stopped, searched, and suspected of a crime — even when no crime has occurred.
- FACT: Black and brown people commit a disproportionate amount of crime in this country. Law enforcement go where the crime is, not where it is not.
- FACT: Majority of crimes in the NYC subway system were being committed by black and brown people; Guliani's Stop n Frisk program WORKED!
Racial bias in policing contributes to the wrongful incarceration and conviction of innocent Black people and is also seen in arrest quotas, the use of surveillance technologies like facial recognition software to identify suspects, predictive policing tools, and gang databases.
- FACT: Criminological data conclusively demonstrates that black and brown people commit a disproportionate number of certain crimes, so law enforcement, in being proactive, will target those demographics committing the most crime in order to prevent that crime.
This article by the Innocence Project is nothing short of misinformation and disinformation. It's part of the reason why many on the left carry and parrot the wrong ideas about law enforcement and the criminal justice system.
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@FLRW
Bible thumping holds no weight/credibility with me.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
IdiotMoronStupid
Trolls greatest hits.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
-->@TWS1405_2When Adolf Hitler came to power in 1933, he banned all homosexual groups. Gay bars were raided and many homosexuals were imprisoned. In 1934 Hitler ordered the execution of his loyal aide and known homosexual, Ernst Rohm, along with 300 of Rohm's men, some of whom were also homosexual.This explains a lot about you. You are a white supremacist neo Nazi but you also have conflicting sexual tendencies.You’re like a modern day Ernst Rohm. Careful you don’t get killed by your neo Nazi pals.
I never posted that. Someone else must of. Not me.
Try again, troll.
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@b9_ntt
Compared to the number of Americans that were there, yeah, by definition, they were few far and between.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Ah, you're Pete Buttigieg closet lover I (we) see.
Spitting out the same garbage as he did.
You should have just swallowed, FFS.
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@FLRW
I can see why Evangelicals love him , he has had 5 kids with 3 different women.
So?
Nick Cannon has several kids with 6 different women.
I can provide a list of more men with several children among several women.
What's your point here!?!
Oh, you have no point. That's right. Well, other than to ad hom Trump.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
NPR/PBS....that's about as leftist as Vox, Slate, The Root, and the Daily Fishraper (The Oregonian).
0 credibility.
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@b9_ntt
I think Trump and some protesters were heard calling for Pence to be hung.
I don’t care what you “think,” the only thing that matters is what you can prove!
Breaking and entering is not tourism.
Non sequitur.
Again, for those let in and casually walked about filming and taking photos of the architecture and decor, that’s more akin/tantamount to tourism.
The few who broke a couple of windows or pushed their way in…sure.
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@b9_ntt
Capitol police let them in, and one or two knuckle-draggers making empty threats ≠ all of them.
It was a protest. Rioters or insurrectionists don’t casually walk through the capital taking photos of the architecture and decor. That’s tourism.
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@zedvictor4
Apparently you missed the modern day definition provided for an “Internet troll” previously given.
Review it and then get back to me about Scandinavian folklore trolls and tell me with a straight face that they’re one in the same.
🤦♂️
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I hate Star Trek Discovery and stopped watching Picard after season one.
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@Sidewalker
You’re just not worth anyone’s time.
Trolling intellectual coward that you so clearly are.
And a liberal too. Makes you a DemonRAT to the core.
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@Sidewalker
Your penchant for using the strawman fallacy knows no bounds.
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lets (sic) get off the forums for a bit. its (sic) getting heated.
Let’s? Uh, no. Only one getting “heated” is Poindexter (Mos1223). No one else is. So he can leave, as he said he would, but clearly has not.
PS. Intellectual cowards block people
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@Mps1213
Here is the proof, which is self-evident, that you have neither the emotional or intellectual intelligence to prevail in a debate with me (especially this one):
You’re a piece of shit human,
I can’t concern myself with the opinion and misinterpretations of fools.
you are a piece of shit, and someone who doesn’t deserve anyones respect, nor interaction with people.
Go fuck yourself, say whatever you please, I will never respond to you, and not break a sweat about anything you claim.
At least Sir Lancelot gave me his condolences and understood. You just brushed it off like it doesn’t matter to anyone.
People like you don’t deserve friends or people in their lives, and I have a feeling that’s the exact boat you are in.
you’re a coward and have to funnel their aggression onto the screen while they can hide behind the safety on anonymity. Fuck you.
No one, and I mean NO ONE invested in a legit debate/discussion acts this way let alone does this as some measure of “evidence” that their opponent lost the debate.
Once you finally gave the evidence of the plane crash, I extended my condolences. Before that, I take nothing for granted or at face value. Especially online where anyone can claim anything. This being a point of fact that flew over your head, yet again, like a 747.
Your attitude, behavior, demeanor, lack of reading comprehension skills, inability to grasp simple concepts like an analogy, use of incorrect definitions, failure to see the bigger picture on many points made just paints you as the poster child for the Dunning Kruger Effect. Yea. That is what you are. That’s what you’ve proven to everyone reading the trash replies and vitriolic conclusion you’ve just made.
Perhaps you should heed your own position on not concerning yourself with opinions of others you disagree with and just quietly leave internet discussion forums alone then.
Again, my condolences for your friend(s) (or coworker(s)).
I’d say we are done here, but as you keep showing, constantly and consistently, you’re never gone when you say you are. I expect 3-6 more vitriolic replies before nights end. Why? Because I’m living rent free in your head, and you simply cannot evict me. 😜
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@Mps1213
ROTFLMAO!!!
Your reply was soooooooooo predictable.
Here is a clue, Mr. Magoo. When you’re going to claim something as serious as a place crash of a friend(s), link to it in THAT comment. It detracts from anyone presuming you’re making lame ass excuses.
Also, I googled it myself and saw the reports. My condolences for your friend(s), but your failure to be more specific about it was YOUR fault. So…fuck you back x10.
I’ll consider this debate/discussion closed. You’re simply not providing any meaningful discourse. Just earnings and ramblings with a whole lot of lack of reading comprehension skills laced in-between.
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@Mps1213
-->@TWS1405_2Look man I’m enjoying the debate, but I just got news that my company’s plane went down and killed everyone on board, lost a buddy so I’m prolly (sic) not gonna (sic) continue this much longer.
Wow. That's right up there with "my dog ate my homework."
There is still one thing I’d like to say. “I mean really, all my years of experience in law enforcement, the criminal justice system, and academic background just leaves me so deficient in the ability "to interpret evidence." LOL!”You’re back ground (sic) and law enforcement and criminal justice has nothing to do with pharmacology and doesn’t mean that alone is gonna (sic) make you able to interpret evidence properly when it comes to that specific subject.
LOL!!! 747 dude!
That’s all, I probably won’t respond for a while? But I will eventually.
Won't hold my breath.
-->@TWS1405_2Actually this will be the last thing I’ll say. You’re a fucking hypocrite dude. Talking shit to everyone else for using the “appeal to authority fallacy 🤓” while you do it yourself.
Hypocrite calling me a hypocrite. How quaint.
You failed in this debate, just admit it. Making excuses, name calling and misreading what is said and twisting it into something else entirely is just pathetic.
That’s the last thing I’ll say before I get (sic) a serious response back to you after everything that happened today passes over.
You mean the THIRD "last" thing, right! LOL!!!
Oh, and it would be best that you just quit while you're behind.
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@ebuc
-->@TWS1405_2Oh how cute. Spewing one of your many “greatest trolling hits”!!! 🙄Troll = lack of moral and intellectual integrity aka a cultist Trumpeteer.
WRONG!
- a troll is a person who posts inflammatory, insincere, digressive, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, a newsgroup, forum, chat room, online video game, or blog, with the intent of provoking readers into displaying emotional responses, or manipulating others' perception.
Your intellectual cowardice is showing.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Are you trying to start a campaign to bring back the word Negro as a perfectly acceptable term for blacks?
Quoting from the article I see…and not my words. As such, what you’re doing here, is effectively creating a strawman argument.
That’s a lie. You are a liar
Oh how cute. Spewing one of your many “greatest trolling hits”!!! 🙄
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@b9_ntt
such as MAGA Republicans trying to overthrow our elected government in the name of the Constitution
Never happened. That was a protest. Helluva lot more peaceful than Burn Loot Murder.
but the MAGA people is one of them.
Paranoid much?
there is no longer any doubt that some on the left have taken "wokeness" too far.
Ya think!
but there is also no doubt that Trump contributed to it.
Fiction sure is fun, ain't it! *FP*
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"President Xi Jinping has ordered China's armed forces to modernise by 2035. They should, he says, become a "world-class" military power, capable of "fighting and winning wars" by 2049."
Well, if China takes over the world or destroys in by 2049...I'm good with it. I'll be almost 80 by then. I'll just go out in a blaze of glory, taking a few CCP soldiers out with me.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Reassignment surgery is solely based off of how someone feels, and has nothing to do with any physical disability.
Correct. Which is why it should always be categorized as an elective surgery. If they want it, they pay for it. Not the taxpayers. Not insurance companies.
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@Elliott
I think the term “woke” has become pretty meaningless and is just another of those words with negative connotations that are used to dismiss opinions we may disagree with without having to engage anyone in debate.
How does one who is rational, logical, intelligent and exercises common sense, engage in a legit debate with someone proselytizing wokeness? They do not want to hear truth. They do not want to acknowledge fact-based truths. They do not want to accept evidence that contradicts their wokeness. They're basically stubborn and unmovable in their state of mind.
"Woke is problematic for two primary reasons. First, it’s an offensive cultural appropriation. As is disturbingly often the case, White people (or any racial group outside the term’s origin) will sometimes begin using a term that originated in a community of color often as a term of pride, endearment, or self-empowerment years or decades later while either willfully or inadvertently distorting the original meaning of the term.
Second, the term’s use often prevents the deep, honest, sometimes uncomfortable conversation that arguably is our only pathway to real reconciliation. Let’s face it – engaging in sensitive, nuanced conversations around race is challenging enough without the irresponsible insertion of the term “woke” providing an ideological off ramp that shuts down any real listening, learning or self-reflection on issues that really require all three for authentic progress."
“Wokeness is a problem and everyone knows it. It’s hard to talk to anybody today – and I talk to lots of people in the Democratic Party – who doesn’t say this. But they don’t want to say it out loud,” Carville, who made his name helping to elect Bill Clinton president, said in an interview with Vox this spring. Asked why his party won’t admit the wokeness problem, Carville responded bluntly: “Because they’ll get clobbered or canceled.”
"Wokeness also implies that those not in the club are asleep, deluded or wrong. This instant judgement forms a dividing line, forcing the other side to become defensive and further entrenching the debate. The moral superiority platform is hardly a way to bring sceptics on board, especially when wealthy and privileged campaigners who have co-opted wokeness do not even follow their own standards..."
Wokeness replaces fact with fiction. "My truth" for [the] truth. It's divisive. It's problematic. It's destructive on multiple levels.
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@Mps1213
-->@TWS1405_2I’ll be honest you’re just as much of a poster child for the dunning Kruger effect.
Oh look, yet another sophomoric use of the "I know you are, but what am I" banal retort. *FP*
You’re the one who has 0 back ground (sic) in this are, (sic)
Credentials fallacy
you’re the one who can’t find any way to change your mind,
Not my responsibility.
you’re the one who is making claims that sent (sic) be proven,
Wrong.
you’re the one that doesn’t know how to interpret evidence,
Easy to claim, harder to prove.
I mean really, all my years of experience in law enforcement, the criminal justice system, and academic background just leaves me so deficient in the ability "to interpret evidence." LOL!
you’re the one who says anyone who thinks George Floyd was likely killed by the officer is brain washed,
They are. Just like many still believe BLM wasn't founded upon a lie ("Hands up, Don't Shoot")
you’re the one who thinks writing in better prose makes the argument more true, (sic)
Never made such a claim.
you’re the one being a hypocrite and not allowing others to make appeals to authority while you attempted to do it for yourself,
Wrong.
you’re the on who has no education background In this trying to disagree with people who have studied it for years and years of their life.
Credentials fallacy
You’re the guy who thinks he’s smarter than everyone because he knows some fancy debate phrases.
Strawman fallacy, as I never made such a claim. That's just your insecurity showing.
Also, i (sic) don’t car (sic) enough about this to write it as if I’m writing a paper for a journal a thesis, it’s a forum on a website no one will read. That doesn’t mean you’re right because you’re taking it more seriously and bring more (sic) careful with your wording.
That's obvious you could care less about how you present yourself and any measure of credibility through your words.
Also do you realize how many times the DEA, addiction recover websites, etc have been straight up wrong about pharmacology?
Same can be said for people like you.
To be human is to err. Being able to admit it is something else. When people cannot admit that they are wrong, or even the possibility that they are wrong, is the definition of intellectual cowardice.
Usually when someone starts abusing the dunning-Kruger effect argument they’re doing it themselves.
You clearly don't understand what that effect means, let alone how to spot it correctly let alone use it in its identification thereof.
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@Mps1213
Again (sic) you can use all of these fancy debate terms, there is a reason scientists, (sic) who are completely separate and independent of George Floyd (sic) or anything related to him have come to a different conclusion than yourself.
And I've already explained why that is. They are invested in one form or another to proliferate the leftist narrative despite it not being the truth. Lying comes easy, telling the truth is much harder.
It has nothing to do with me appealing to authority...
Yes, it does! In addition to the credential fallacy as well.
I don’t want to have a heated and condescending debate.
And yet that is exactly what you are facilitating.
LOL! Yeah, the CDC, DEA, et al don't know nutt'in compared to Mps1213...some anonymous pseudo know-it-all user hiding behind a sock puppet account in an online forum with absolutely ZERO FUCKING CREDIBILITY!!! And you expect everyone to take YOUR word over those credible agencies? WOW!” If you would read what I said you would see I didn’t say that at all. I said that I trust the gold standard for determining lethal dosages for drug use, and this mechanistic studies for determining said factors
Please use the " feature in order to keep the discussion more organized.
And yeah, you did say that. I quoted you saying that.
And no you have not won this debate, this is how I know you’re not scientifically minded, you were an MP for Christ sakes and you worked in social sciences, that doesn’t impress me in terms of arguing about science. Just because you were a police officer for the military, doesn’t mean you’re an expert in pharmacology and toxicology. The reason I know you’re not thinking about this objectively is because you couldn’t give me anything that would change your mind. When that is the case you’re dealing with an ideology, not objective reasoning.
The readers will decide who prevailed with the better argument in this debate/discussion.
I don’t know what the fuck you think statutory law, being a paralegal, etc has to do with toxicology and pharmacology.
The point of disclosing my background completely flew over your head. It was meant to demonstrate that I possess the mental faculties to read, interpret and understand (objectively) that which I research/read. I am no simpleton lay person.
Also you simplifying it to 2+2=4 is honestly just insane.
*FP* It's called an analogy, Mps1213; and it was an apropos use of said analogy. Too bad it flew over your head like a 747.
Sure you can read the literature the DEA puts out, but you are not applying it correctly. They didn’t publish that 2mg can be lethal so it can be extrapolated to everyone on earth, meaning that doesn’t mean anyone who takes more than more 2mg will die immediately with no question.
No shit sherlock, and I never made such a claim as you assert here. Which demonstrates your utter lack of reading comprehensions skills.
I’ve been a sick to you, you’ve been a dick to me, that doesn’t bother me.
Uh, no I have not. When you act like a jerk, I respond accordingly. That's not being a dick. But hey, if you need a tissue...
I understand why you’d Still be aggressive.
An all-too-common misunderstanding of passion, it's incorrectly labeled as being aggressive.
However, what does bother me is your inability to concede that drugs may not have been the main cause of his death or that there were any other possible variables that led to his death.
This is further evidence of your lack of reading comprehension skills. I have made it clear, in more than one posting, that drugs alone didn't kill Floyd. It was a combination of his drug use that day, his Covid-19 and most likely ARDS, in addition to his other comorbidities that were the cause of his death (and NOT the knee).
It also bothers me you can’t come up with something that’ll make you change your mind.
It's painfully obvious what it would take to change anyone's mind: a better, more well-grounded argument.
That’s what I’m saying man I don’t feel like you’re truly considering why people may disagree with you, instead you’re just calling them sheep and brain washed, and that is just insulting to your own intelligence.
The reason people disagree with me is defined by their proffered rebuttals. The rest of your statement is just drivel.
I’m also not concerned about my prose on this website, if it was for a paper (sic) I’d be more careful.
You should be. It's hard to take anyone seriously if they won't even take the time to write cogent well-thought-out arguments.
Also (sic) you yelling (sic) and typing in bold about me being on a debate website with no credibility is comical considering you’re in the exact same boat.
Wow. Your lack of reading comprehension skills is boundless. Yet again another 747 flying over your head.
You can say anything you’d like to say. You are a hypocrite, ...
Psychological projection.
I’m sorry that you consider thoughts and articulation as insecurity.
Articulation? ROTFLMAO!!! You're anything but articulate. You cannot even use the quote function correctly when replying so as to maintain the integrity of the discussion. Add to that your obvious lack of reading comprehension skills and own admission that you are not concerned about how you wrote your retorts.
I’m also sorry you feel the need to unnecessarily force a weird vocabulary to make yourself feel smarter. Have a good night (sic) man.
The apropos use of vocabulary is neither weird or indicative of making myself look smarter. I just am.
Using your own logic what you just said = me winning the debate.
Delusions of grandeur and a sophomoric use of the "I know you are, but what am I" retort.
At least I’m a chemistry and geoscience major that actually works in the field of environmental science...
Easy to claim, harder to prove.
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@oromagi
>@TWS1405_2I never claimed Covid alone was the cause of his death.
- No, you claimed COVID contributed directly to Floyd's death.
Thank you for admitting you were wrong.
- No rational opinion agrees with your faith-based assessment.
My assessment isn't faith-based! It's logical, reasonable and common sense (knowledge).
I never claimed video showed him using a speedball. Reading comprehension matters.
- So try harder to comprehend what you wrote.
- You made up a fucking lie out of thin air when you claimed Floyd "consumed the speed ball right there in the car just before police made contact."
NO! You need to try harder to comprehend what I wrote. Nowhere in that sentence did I state, categorically or otherwise, that Floyd was seen on video consuming a speed ball. The only one "making up a fucking lie" here is you, troll.
Did you ever once stop to think and ask yourself why Floyd's drug dealer never ever gave either a statement or testify at Chauvin's trial!?! Think on that.
- I pointed out that you are a fucking liar.
Psychological projection.
- You claimed "It's on the body cam video"
Floyd saying, he ate too many drugs, yeah; and that he complained of respiratory problems while sitting in the car heard on the body cam video.
- I said, here's that exact video, show me where
That's not the video I saw back when it happened being shown on either Officer B. Tatum's YouTube channel or ABL's either. I will have to try and find the video I saw,
- You claimed, "I never claimed video showed his him using a speedball."
Fact.
- Thus establishing you a coward as well.
Non sequitur and ad hominem.
It’s not academic regarding his enlarged heart and hypertension being a contributing factor. It was a contributing factor.
- If Chauvin's unwarranted assault had only lasted for a minute or two and Floyd' heart still stopped, perhaps. It is only academic because everybody's dead after being strangled for 8 minutes.
Floyd was not "strangled."
"Baker testified that he told prosecutors on the day of Floyd’s autopsy that there was no physical evidence of asphyxia, or insufficient oxygen. Prosecutors put that information in their initial complaint against Chauvin, and listed existing health conditions, police restraint and potential intoxicants as contributing factors."
"The preliminary findings in the Hennepin County Medical Examiner's autopsy of Floyd "revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation." The prosecutor's complaint noted that Floyd first said he could not breathe several times before he was restrained under officer Chauvin's knee as video footage has shown."
"George Floyd told police he was claustrophobic and struggling to breathe even before he ended up face down on the Minneapolis pavement..."
Your just as annoyingly wrong as Mos1213 is with his banal retorts.
- Your feelings are not relevent (sic) here. Please supress (sic) them and focus on your problem with facts.
My facts are sound; and facts do not care about your feelings.
All you have been doing here is parroting the leftist narrative. Parrot it enough and people like you and Mps1213 fall into its trap, and you believe the lies. Sort of like the Russian Collusion hoax that people still believe today DESPITE all the evidence that has come out to the contrary. Same for Hunter's laptop. Everyone like you believed it to be Russian disinformation because that was what you were told by so-called "experts" and "professionals" like the FBI and MSM platforms, not to mention social media who colluded with the FBI to suppress any and all fact-based information about it. Since then, more and more evidence has come out proving it was not Russian disinformation but rather fact based and it's connecting the dots between the Biden family and the CCP, not to mention Ukraine.
The difference here is no one is truly interested in or invested in finding the truth despite the evidence being out there.
It's no secret that black men suffer cardiovascular and hypertension diseases greater than any other population. Add Covid-19 and ARDS to that along with his drug usage and you get a heart attack as a result. And I will repeat this to my dying day...no one but Chauvin knows exactly how much pressure he truly applied to Floyd's neck/shoulder area. No one.
Given the decades of scientific findings gathered from coroners across the country, the CDC, hospitals, et al... when it comes to deaths related to Covid, ARDS, and all the interrelated comorbidities often experienced by black males, compounded by drug use, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to connect the dots to the actual cause of Floyd's death. You and everyone else arguing it was the knee and parrot the so-called experts (appeal to authority fallacy) are just in fucking utter denial.
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@Mps1213
I’m glad you’re such an unscientific person, with no science background trying to talk about deeply scientific things.
The more you keep using this credentials fallacy, the more you solidly yourself a poster child for the Dunning Kruger effect.
Having a background and/or education in a subject matter only ensures a measure of working knowledge. It doesn’t ensure truth. You need logic, reason and evidence.
Given your utter lack of linguistic skills and penchant for the Dunning Kruger Effect, anyone in their right mind would be correct to think you’re not as educated as you claim to be. Especially when you cannot even grasp simple concepts like the use of an analogy. Which you so clearly failed to do in your follow up retort. I will be pointing that out tomorrow.
Until then…
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@oromagi
All strawman fallacies. I never claimed Covid alone was the cause of his death. I never claimed video showed him using a speedball. Reading comprehension matters.
It’s not academic regarding his enlarged heart and hypertension being a contributing factor. It was a contributing factor.
Your just as annoyingly wrong as Mos1213 is with his banal retorts.
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@Mps1213
I’m done with your insolence and ignorance for this evening. Back to COD DMZ. I’ll debunk your nonsensical drivel and patent lack of reading comprehension skills tomorrow.
Until then …
Please keep showing your insecurities with multiple superfluous retorts.
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@Mps1213
-->@TWS1405_2Mate,
Not your mate, friend or otherwise.
I’m not saying they’re wrong, I’m saying your interpretation of them is wrong.
So, if they say 2 + 2 = 4, and I quote them saying 2 + 2 = 4, you're actually going to sit there and tell me (and everyone else reading your drivel) that my "interpretation" of that is wrong?
Also (sic) I would trust mechanistic studies that show exactly how things work and why an LD50 is established over the DEA and addiction recovery websites.
LOL! Yeah, the CDC, DEA, et al don't know nutt'in compared to Mps1213...some anonymous pseudo know-it-all user hiding behind a sock puppet account in an online forum with absolutely ZERO FUCKING CREDIBILITY!!! And you expect everyone to take YOUR word over those credible agencies? WOW!
I’m not going to argue with your points this (sic) time...
Translation: I win, you lose this debate.
There are many unanswerable (sic) questions, that it is hard to pin point (sic) any one cause of his death, and that is what you are doing that I disagree with.
NO, there are not many "unanswerable" questions. Based on historical data of police encounters with idiots like Floyd, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the truth behind his death.
For your edification:
My background is US Army MP Investigator (Drug Suppression Team under C.I.D.), AAS Paralegal, BS Criminology and Criminal Justice, worked for a County Sheriff and before retirement, a County District Attorney's Office. I know how to read statutory law. I also know how to read medical related information as a Veteran's Advocate helping those in need to get their disability benefits. And I have about an 85-90% success rate in doing that. 100% in my own case. I have even won cases at the Board of Veterans Appeals.
So do not sit there and tell me I do not know what I am talking about, let alone what I am capable of reading and discerning for myself.
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PS. Your prose is found wanting.
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