Vaarka

"Next Vaarka prediction: Danielle and Drafter"

What does that mean?

I am dying tonight, good luck later in the game. Sheep my reads:

Earth+Drafter = John+Rob

Danielle+Hammer = Danny+Eric

I'm gonna slide you [GP] into the lean town category. 

Why lean town? I'd call his behavior null at best, slight scum at worst

Next Vaarka prediction: Danielle and Drafter

Though I'm still sus of Grey js

I am not going to contribute to people bitching at each other

lol this made me laugh. I can't discredit that he's right

And why would that be the case? What unfair advantage does editing or deleting posts afford that anyone else does not otherwise possess? Fair being, treating someone in a manner that is right or reasonable and treating people equally. 

Furthermore how does the following afford an unfair advantage? 

Considering that the original act of posting the entire PM regardless of motive, is unfair to the rest of those a part of that person's affiliation, and clearly unfairly disadvantages them, editing and/or deleting posts would quite actually be countering that unfair result in this circumstance returning back to the status quo of the player not violating a standard rule of not posting your pm, and/or game-throwing. 

Look, if editing and deleting posts was either only able to be done by one side, or could be done at anytime and was not otherwise limited to a 15 minute time frame, I would agree that post editing and deletion should be outright banned. But it's not, and I fail to see how it should as fmpov it doesn't unfairly disadvantages anyone or treat anyone unequally as we all have the ability to do so and can have realistic and/or reasonable reasons for doing so regardless of affiliation. 

How is the show not the theme?

I meant "not the show" when I said "what the theme is based on". It's based on the show, but what I meant is I'll care when we've got actual evidence that points towards someone being scum based on their character. 

You should perhaps give a shit about theme if you give a shit about winning?

I'll give a shit about theme when we can figure out what the theme is based on

If you would rather lynch unccd Sally Rayburn than nobody, you're either mafia or mentally challenged.

I've mostly skipped all of your theme analysis because I don't give a shit about theme. Besides, I was saying I'd rather lynch someone over no one. 

I'm starting to think there is at least one probable scum in the 4 that voted for RM....

I'm leaning toward either Drafter or Supa.

Also my best friend is Nolan and John is my dad and his relationship has been shaky.\

It seems to be leading for me to find scum in John

VTL RM

This makes town very suspicious you in general.

lmao predicting budda and supa

Who gives a shit if you're "deleting a redundant post" or "just fixing a typo"? You shouldn't do it. There's no way of knowing, after all, if the post you sent me had some sort of scum tell, and you realized and edited or deleted it. 

So because there is no way of knowing it definitively, it automatically makes it evidence of guilt? Interesting 

 The entire point of players being prohibited from editing posts is to prevent that

There are plenty of behaviors that facially appear suspicious but ultimately are not indicative of affiliation in and of themselves. Such as advocacy for mass claiming. Should we make a rule against advocating for mass claims because it appears suspicious? 

Nope, that discussion stalled out and no concensus was met on it. And why would there necessarily need to be? If you can't think of numerous reasons why editing or deleting might otherwise be done with good intent(sich as not having redundant posts) that's your own fault, not anyone elses 😂. 

... what?

Who gives a shit if you're "deleting a redundant post" or "just fixing a typo"? You shouldn't do it. There's no way of knowing, after all, if the post you sent me had some sort of scum tell, and you realized and edited or deleted it. 

The entire point of players being prohibited from editing posts is to prevent that. Don't just pass it off with "haha OMG LOOOOL" shit, it's a serious thing. I even advocated for making it a mod-killable offense when we were working on the first beginner game. If Lunatic didn't make it a rule, then he should have. 

I know any games I mod will have a mod-killable consequence if such an action is reported, caught, seen, whatever. If it happens then it's a problem that I don't want to see. I'd hope everyone could see that. 

Its important to stress that Rational is sus to me at this point, but he's still pretty much null from a non-vibe standpoint. His behavior fmpov cpuld reaaonably be coming from a town or scum. His pressure on those who are pressuring him, aka "omgus"("omg u suck") voting, is in line with his general behavior of retaliatory voting in response to people voting him. 

His thematic post that was, at best, less than entirely relevant, could be a town player being overzealous with contributing show knowledge, even if that knowledge might not be totally relevant. 

His paranoia of disclosing too much info to mafia by hypothesizing as to potential roles definite villain characters might be justified as having, though it doesn't make sense fmpov, is kind of in line with Rationals natural propensity towards such paranoia. Paranoia not to be taken in the negative sense, as townies should have a healthy dose of paranoia in acting. 

 

This final point though, is what moves him into sus territory. Because as I pointed out, refusing to hypothesize only really benefits mafia, as they already know their roles. Being willing to acknowledge he could ultimately still be town, operating in a manner that is benefits exclusively scum, as illustrared by the final point, is more than sufficient reason for a claim. 

Basically, the reason for claim is no longer exclusively him illustrating he is less than stellar at faking claims(beginners 1.2). We now have a sus behavior to back that up. 

Yeah I did, I quoted exactly what you did in response to you saying all you've seen was me saying Rational should claim, and Rational telling me to kindly go off myself 😂. 

So i deleted the post cause it was unnecessary. 

Vaarka's silence could just be that he hasn't made it online yet. However, if the day passes and he still doesn't post, it's gonna be sus cause he was one of the players urging Lunatic(TUF) to start the game. 

Well he claimed at L-1, so following thru with a lynch on that refusal was unnecessary. But you at least reached the point where i explained why the lynch might be necessary. 

No idea, I'm page 3

Revealing characters helps mafia narrow down PRs more than it helps us.

I can agree with this, I'm not one to push claims unless I want to kill them, and I think most theme analysis is pointless. 

Don't be ridiculous. under normal circumstances, you are right...but this is RM. It's a wasted mislynch for town when we can do better things.

Any mislynch is a waste of resources.  But think, would you rather mislynch RM or someone else?

Fmpov if you aren't willing to follow up pressure via votes with lynching if that pressure is refused, then you might as well not demand claims at all cause the incentive is no longer there to otherwise claim. 

And then at that point, you may as well just VTNL DP1 from the get-go and not bother with it. 

Btw, how about we not VTNL on DP1? It wastes a whole lynch, like always. 7 v 2? Lynch every DP and you have 2 lynches before LYLO. VTNL and you only have 1 lynch until MYLO. 

DP1 lynch = 💯

😂😂

and you use them so much dude wtf

Omg, a role that doesnt neatly fit with a character! That's like, never happened before! 😂. 

Whelp...hope town has protective roles to keep Buddha alive for 3 days...

No one protect him. Even if he can be confirmed, he isn't yet. I'd rather have him die than someone who has an active role.

Oh and being that I guess I outted everything else, my role is innocent child, I get mod confirmed start of DP3. 

Basically this means he's either gonna die before DP3 or is gonna be lynched on DP3. 

Nice omgus 😂😂

immediate scum tell. Only scum use emojis