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We have 25 minutes to make a lynch, and it looks like Hammer is our best bet.
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@RationalMadman
This man spitting the real facts
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Guys real talk I tried to cut my beard down a bit because it was getting kinda long but now it's too short and it's at that weird length where I either need to cut it all or let it grow out but if I cut it all then I look like I'm 13 and I don't wanna look like I'm 13


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@Danielle
To clarify, the strongest point against Hammer is that nobody town reads him? Does anyone town read Earth? 
Don't think so, but does anyone scum read him?

Also Hammer wagon is bigger and we're short on time
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@Buddamoose
So I guess we're lynching Hammer then? Doesn't seem like a GP lynch is gonna happen

VTL Hammer
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We've got an hour and a half btw, ends at 3 EST, 2 CST
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you don't get it. I have established the four possible mafia characters. there's no way sally is more mafia than those 4 and no way there's more than 4 mafia.
I've played games where the mafia were heroes (or at the very least weren't villains). Idk the show and we don't have a huge hint towards theme yet so I'm gonna push it until DP2 at the earliest

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@RationalMadman
lunatic will replace me on d2 or i'll just post 0 content unless all agree to acknowledge me, I've notified him that I quit.
tell ya what, once we've got some theme analysis to go off of (legit theme analysis, not "oh they're like this in the show so I bet they're good here"), I'll listen to your arguments

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Your debate record doesn't contribute to your mafia record
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Earth hasn't done squat so he's just null. Supa early on was an FOS of mine, but don't want to lynch him yet b/c of his claim. Budda is right that it seems noob town and I know he doesn't have a ton of experience. 
Fair enough. I agree, but I do think TUF likely gave 1 fake claim so I could see a noob being eager to "confirm" themselves with it. 
He likely has given them a fake claim. There's a chance he's being honest, or a chance he's mafia and used a fake claim (or his real claim idk). I'd rather lynch someone else

Do you think it's weird that you find Earth null but me as a scum read despite my activity/analysis? (I do.) Is there any part of my analysis that you disagree with? How about drafterman's? 

You probably didn't read my last post about you when you made this. Earth hasn't done much so I don't know what to do with him other than call him null. You've given some substance now and while I admit the drafter thing got me thinking a little, I was mostly just trying to get a reaction to figure out how I really read you
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sally is much more likely to be cc'd than jane by town if I'm mafia -RM
Also despite what everyone says about him, he's seen the show (I think). I'm willing to push a Supa lynch back regardless of what I say about theme. It's an outed character and we can gauge it with the characters that pop up in DP2. 

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@Danielle
But I also wanna keep an FOS on him because then I lose any reason to have an FOS on you and my gut says to keep an FOS on you
You can FOS me at some other time. There's really no reason to now. I think Budda, drafter and myself have put forth the most analysis. Plus I breadcrumbed so I can always refer everyone back to that if/when I have to claim. I assume I'll be dead tomorrow though tbh. 

You know the fact that you're not insulting me makes me think you're more towny than not ngl. I like this side of Dani

For those who don't get what I'm saying, last time I accused Dani of being scum, she was very aggressive and insulting about it. Turns out I was right ;3 - sorry for yeeting on that but I like that moment in our mafia history

Anyway, most of my FOS was me trying to see how you'd react to it. The drafter read was slight suspect but I normally wouldn't give a shit. I figured I'd use it to try and see how you'd respond. 
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@Danielle
What do you think of Earth and Supa? I'd vote for GP today if we had no better options, but I think those two might be (especially Supa). Supa's behavior is weird/anti-town, but I can't tell if he's just generally a poor player. 
Earth hasn't done squat so he's just null. Supa early on was an FOS of mine, but don't want to lynch him yet b/c of his claim. Budda is right that it seems noob town and I know he doesn't have a ton of experience. 

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@Danielle
Also @Vaarka why are you still responding to RM? I thought we agreed for the sake of the game to ignore him. 

He thinks claiming an un-cc'd character somehow makes him town. Everything he says is virtually useless and/or wrong. Please don't derail the game by playing along. 

aight
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But I also wanna keep an FOS on him because then I lose any reason to have an FOS on you and my gut says to keep an FOS on you

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@Danielle
Lol why would I out my one town read (drafterman) if we were scum buddies? That means if one of us were found to be scum, it would automatically implicate (as in yield suspicion on) the other. Use your head. If anything, as scum I would "town read" someone innocent in order to #1 gain credibility and #2 put suspicion on them when I flip guilty. So this logic just sucks in general. You shouldn't believe we're both scum based on my town read of him. That's retarded. 
Yeah I've started to think that, hence why I haven't changed my vote to drafter despite RM's... sound argument

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@RationalMadman
You're like a blind man asking how a colour confirms me as purplish.

Theme matters. I am uncc'd sally rayburn.

and who says sally rayburn is a confirmed town character
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@RationalMadman
how are you confirmed town
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@Buddamoose
I brought up your emojis thing before you claimed innocent child

at least I think you did. If you claimed before then I either forgot about it while making the posts or hadn't really thought about it yet

Who are we lynching? I'm seeing you and drafter going after hammer and supa/RM going for drafter
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@RationalMadman
I'll lynch him if he's the only one we can lynch (as I've said before, a lynch is better than no lynch). 
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@Buddamoose
It's consistent with his suspicion of GP. It's not consistent with his posts that imply a willingness to bandwagon to accomplish a lynch. Trying to start ur own wagon with little time left isn't going to accomplish a lynch.


Well then who are we lynching? I say GP
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We have like 2 hours left we need to decide on a lynch
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@RationalMadman
cause I don't care about theme yet
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@RationalMadman
no.
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@Buddamoose
It seems

Are things always what they seem? What sort of corroborating evidence do you suppose could be used to determine if the way it seems, is the way it actually is? 
Is this a joke or you being serious? I can't tell but either way I laughed at the bolded

If you're asking why I say "it seems" a lot, just how I talk
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@RationalMadman
cause my gut read on him is based solely on something Danielle did

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@Buddamoose
but I'm serious about that" here in post #189. 
 in that post he wasn't saying he was serious about it being suspicious. He was saying it reduces a person's credibility. He hasn't FOS'd me, by his own logic he can't. But it's interesting that I'm pushing Hammer, whom I haven't seen him give a disposition on. 
Actually keep forgetting about hammer. He didn't strike anything in me so I'm leaving him as null until he's active again. I don't have any qualms against lynching him if push comes to shove but I've got a list and he's not at the top. 

So you can't make a post that looks like a joke, then claim it's serious, then claim it's a joke again when it works against you. This is part of the FOS that is building up against you, it looks like you're trying to hedge your bets. No matter what anyone says, you have an "out

This is actually looking more and more like the case tbh. I'm moving Vaarka back to null fmpov.. it's still feasible he's town, but ur case is honestly showing i may have been a bit hasty in leaning town on him. 
I said the TV part was a bit of a joke, but also me thinking "hey stop watching tv and get your head in the game". It's a similar thing with the emojis thing, where yes it was kind of a joke but at the same time I'm like "haha... no but seriously stfu with that crap". 
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@RationalMadman
I explained earlier my reads on Danielle and Drafter were mostly gut (aside from her town reading him and me saying 'OH SHIT'). GP seems hardly active, making generic posts and not really contributing to the game. Doesn't seem like he's really trying to do anything specific and fly under the radar and I don't like that. 
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@RationalMadman
Want me to switch my vote? Build a wagon that needs my vote that isn't GP, and I'll hop on it (unless it's mine). I'd rather secure a lynch than end the DP in a no-lynch
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@RationalMadman
I do
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@RationalMadman
I already said either of them or GP, and I'd prefer GP. 

VTL GP
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@Buddamoose
Yeah, I'm not going to FOS for making a joke. But the thing is, you followed up that "joke" with a "yeah, but I'm serious about that" here in post #189. So you can't make a post that looks like a joke, then claim it's serious, then claim it's a joke again when it works against you. This is part of the FOS that is building up against you, it looks like you're trying to hedge your bets. No matter what anyone says, you have an "out."
Because when I see people going "haha lmao ECKS DEE" kinda shit, it usually sticks out as if you're trying to distract from a point someone made, or even discredit them. It seems like overreaction, and while one emoji every now and then is fine (unless it's the rolling eyes emoji), a whole bunch, especially in the same post, specifically where you're discrediting someone, seems like what I just described. 

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@drafterman
Yeah, I'm not going to FOS for making a joke. But the thing is, you followed up that "joke" with a "yeah, but I'm serious about that" here in post #189. So you can't make a post that looks like a joke, then claim it's serious, then claim it's a joke again when it works against you. This is part of the FOS that is building up against you, it looks like you're trying to hedge your bets. No matter what anyone says, you have an "out."
Wait which post?

I didn't FOS her until after she made her thing about Drafterman (you), which is the entire reason I put you guys on my list

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@RationalMadman
okay
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@RationalMadman
stfu about theme we can worry about it when someone is dead
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@Danielle
How am I not being "aggressive" here? I just posted 6 paragraphs of analysis including a slew of insults toward RM lol. 
Yeah but everyone insults him

This is the kind of useless post that seems like (as drafterman said) you throwing out random comments and then seeing if any FOS' stick.
I mean I just say shit as it comes to me. In general though I remembered you having aggressive play in either case.

But yes, I am generally more aggressive when YYW plays. In Mafia and life in general, my harsh tone toward others is always in retaliation (not instigation). YYW is a scumbag when he plays, so I tend to respond in kind. RM is being douchey, but unlike YYW he seems genuinely dim so I do feel a little guilty by replying in kind. Oh well. I think it's best to just ignore him entirely for now. 
Lmao
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@drafterman
I also note that sometimes he starts off jokingly FOSing someone (Danielle is scum for watching TV, you're scum for using emojis) then develops that into a fullfledged FOS, as if he is testing the waters for an FOS on that person. But really, he's FOS'd 6 out of 9 people.
Once Budda claimed innocent child reveal DP3 I had to town read him, regardless of what I think. My emoji thing was half a joke and half "bro wtf stop overreacting to shit with emojis that's not normal", but I'm not gonna push against him or even think about lynching him unless a night action reveals him as guilty, or he doesn't get confirmed DP3. 

The thing on Danielle involving watching TV was at first me saying "yo stop watching TV and read", kinda like someone making an excuse for why they're barely active and not giving much content (especially since she used TV more than once). Doubt I would have pushed much more on it if not for the drafterman defense. 
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@Buddamoose
This is a good point. Did you see any town reads that i missed? Can't recall if he has TR'd anyone tbh
Well if it makes you feel better, I townread myself, and unless you're not confirmed DP3, I have to townread you

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@Danielle
Aren't you usually more... idk, aggressive when you play? I remember you typically being an aggressive player

or were you only like that when YYW is in the game
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@drafterman
thanks
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@Buddamoose
what's fmpov btw
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@Buddamoose
It just means he can't @ you or message you.  I have him blocked and can (unfortunately) read his posts just fine.
-drafter

oh nvm
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@Buddamoose
If RM blocked you over a mafia game then he's being petty af
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@Danielle
To be clear, "gut feelings" are useless unless you have a history of your gut feelings being right. My guess is that you don't since I know you're wrong here (not sure about drafterman, but I thus far I haven't gotten scum vibes from him). 
My gut vibe on you is mostly from, at first, a sort of "disinterest", talking about "I'll do it while watching TV and stuff". I know there was something else but it's slipping my mind. 

Oh wait I remember now, you were townreading drafterman. I found him to be null at best, and I don't really recall you giving much reason for what seems to be a strong town read. I thought "wtf why" and then wondered "is she trying to subtly push a scummate into the town sphere so others town read him too" and just kinda said "haha I bet they're both scum"

So right now I'll stick with that
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And guys stfu about theme, we can discuss the theme once we've got a more solid idea of how the theme is set up in this game. 
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@Danielle
I wasn't playing dumb. It wasn't clear that you made an INITIAL prediction, so a "next" prediction was confusing. Coupled with the fact that you've offered 0 analysis for drafterman or I potentially being scum, I wasn't sure what you were talking about. Settle down. 

On another note, I have drafterman as my most solid town read which is amusing given all the suspicion on him. Change my mind. 

yeah my reads on you two are mostly gut
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@Buddamoose
Then you should also be finding Hammer and Earth sus as their activity is near equal to or less than the activity of Drafter/Danielle. In the case of Earth, far less than the activity of the latter pair. 
Inactivity isn't the sole reason I'm sus of them. Like I said, it's a gut feeling I'm willing to pursue, whereas Earth and Hammer didn't really leave much of an impact at all.

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@RationalMadman
Hey how about you refer to the player names as mafia instead of the character names. Idk who the characters are
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And before people ask "wtf you just said drafter and danielle are your mafia predictions", I also said GP was sus. I'm down for his lynch, while my prediction is more hunch based b/c both drafter and danielle are fairly inactive
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On another note, we need to agree on a lynch. Are we all gonna wagon Hammer or go for someone else? I'm down for GP
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