Bro, BOP is always on the one making a claim. Why can't Muslims be as good as Christians and just be unbiased. Like Christians if they see an atheist win an argument will vote for an atheist but you guys just have to disobey Allah by being liars. And biased. Sad
The debate title would have to be changed since it asks if the argument is sound and all competent rebuttals get around the soundness of the argument as it is undeniable.
If you give me your rebuttal for Godel's ontological argument to show why his math proof is wrong right here than I might consider it.
I don't want to waste my time because you pretty much have to be a mathematician to understand Godel and have a good grasp of the S5 system of logic. If this is your first time hearing the name Godel or hearing "S5 system of logic" than you have not researched this enough for a rebuttal and since nobody has ever been able to disprove Godel's mathematical proof than I doubt you can. Just give me a one sentence explaining what your rebuttal will be and if I feel like it's something I never heard or that it works than I will accept a debate.
It doesn't require a kritik. The Republican party was almost destroyed during the Obama years and Trump singlehandedly saved the party and his political philosophy is similar to Bill Clinton so it's odd that a closet liberal saved the Republican party and then after he saved the party he saved the country from becoming Venezuela
I think am going to stop you at the first post because the website i linked to cites where the data comes from, I have seen it in multiple studies and you are comparing teacher IQs to all degree holders and determining it means something. You admitted that their IQs were on the low end (average is low btw since the average person is an idiot) and I compared to degrees smart people pursue like engineering or physics.
Bro your degree is easy and you know it. It's why you don't get paid much and no a PHD to get a professorship is not going to help either because all PHD grass are pursuing those positions as their PHD is barely useful in any non academic setting (AKA real jobs)
My advise is to drop this career path and just go become a welder or something. You'll make more, have less debt and I would just advise you not to be long winded around blue collar folks
Blacks of the same economic status also have higher crime rates.
Here is a list of average IQ by major
https://stephenporter.org/iq-by-college-major/
"On your claim with IQ, I hate to say you are running from your original claims. At first you mentioned that teachers were low IQ"
I have an IQ of 160 what do you think ai consider a low IQ to be?
Yes 106 is retarded. These people are idiots and even when you crawl towards 120 it's still a bunch of midwits who almost exclusively use appeals to authority of some variation to make arguments.
The meta studies across all college degrees are dumb it includes shit like "women's studies" . To see if they are retards you should compare them to people we know are smart like physicists or engineers
"First homeschool children and public school children are vastly different population groups. Performance has nothing to do with teaching, but simply has to do with parental involvement, "
You are assuming that. Perhaps it is due to the fact that IQ is largely heritable and so the kids are smarter. That seems like a variable that should be accounted for since it's the most obvious cause for better performance in things like SATs which are essentially IQ tests.
"You are making a lot of correlation causation fallacies '
No you are not coming from this in a tabula Rasa way. I have zero biases and just am going to assume the most obvious thing. For example if blacks kids have behavior problems then it's probably due to genetics especially since poor white kids have these problems to a lesser degree.
You did mention black kids being punished harder and I shit you not when I was taking notes on all these, studies showed they are punished less often for behavior issues and so when they are finally punished it is usually for a bunch of things and then people used that to indicate racism asking for increased punishment of black kids on first offenses. So the behavior issues don't escalate.
Have you ever dealt with black parents when their kids have behavior issues? What about the parents of white kids? We know which parents are more likely to lash out at the kid and which are more likely to lash out at you, so obviously the black kids will get more slack. It isn't racism it's a response to the situation that black parents are creating.
"if someone tried to compare crime in a poor country like Mexico with a richer country like a wealthier European country, one may say that white people are better than minorities"
You start with the presupposition of perfect equality but if white societies tend to create prosperity and low crime while non white societies create the opposite than clearly our. Systems are better at least and they should copy and paste our systems to get the same results.
"My offer to debate racial issues is still on the table. I may be willing to do something in regard to schools as well. Just let me know instead of us just using a comment thread lol! Anyway nice conversation.'
I could take it to a debate depending on the discussion but our goals when communicating are probably different. I am enjoying this but if you aren't it's fine. I am pretty well read on this stuff as well. I have also taken and aced courses in statistics so I know what confounding variables are. I do think social scientists will often try to overcomplicate shit with them.
They will always try to dig a layer deeper and keep going until they get the answer they want. For example socioeconomic sounds better than African Americans being a problem somewhere so they will point to poor white kids and see the same issue to a lesser degree and use that to dismiss the real problem.
You also miss the real issue here as well and have missed some opportunities. For example.... Does it matter if black kids have a lower IQ than white kids on average or more behavior problems and whether those problems are from a legacy of racism or from genetic inferiority?
This is where liberals really fuck up. This is because the answer doesn't matter, what matters is that we see a community struggling and there are steps we can take to make their lives better which by extension will make our lives better, but instead of saying this you get distracted by who is superior or inferior or whether perfect equality exists or not. Of course you lie to yourself and assume perfect equality and you care more about protecting that illusion than you do about bettering society.
We can take race out of this. Is your average Appalachian hillbilly an idiot and low IQ? Yes?
Is it probably a long genetic legacy of idiots breeding with each other just like in large portions of the black population? Probably yes and if these hillbillies were black you would probably be in denial about that genetic inferiority.
The bottom line is that it doesn't matter. These are humans that need help and it's worth discussing strategies for making that happen
"Researchers such as Berliner & Hermans show that other factors are associated with behavior such as socioeconomic status."
Socioeconomic status is code for who? We know ......
102-112 may be average but it is low. I mean in the general population at least they have the excuse if retards dragging the average down but for colleges? There is a reason why STEM degrees often have IQs closer to 130.
As. Far as you are saying with students and teachers sucking at teaching. Homeschoolers also generally perform better on standardized tests and many are getting 5 hours of studying done a week and random adults are outperforming teachers with much less time and professional training.
Do teachers ever think that they spend like 8 hours a day with kids and those kids learn less than parents literally doing one hour or two hours of work daily with their homeschool child?
The "l" is actually a capital i if that helps tag me, but these are criticisms of the anti white education some schools teach by Dennis Prager not a criticism of teaching black history.
The example of trump was him also targeting the same things and you could have directly linked to his bill with citations but chose to link to a commentator instead. One who is also pushing critical race theory. It's an attack on the narrative of critical race theory and nothing else. Are we trying to highlight the achievements of blacks and the horrors of slavery so they aren't repeated or are we merely trying to brain wash students into becoming a professional victim class?
"You get more conservative people who claim that teaching more on the black perspective is wrong because тАЬIt is making the founding fathers look badтАЭ.
No you don't get that from conservatives. Show me a single Ben Shapiro segment that says this. He has discussed about every conservative topic so it shouldn't be too hard to get the conservative view from him on this topic somewhere.
". There are plenty of studies that back up many of my claims in regard to the difficulty of teaching and why many teachers are trying to find different careers "
Yes and those studies bend over backwards to not say "black kids" are out of control. The solution is probably to teach in white schools where kids are genetically more inclined to be well behaved.
Studies show that those receiving teaching degrees are around an average IQ of 102 so one of the lowest IQ degrees. You sound like a saint though if what you are saying is true.
What do you think of the concept of twice exceptional students? How can a person simultaneously be a genius and a retard?
I have a high IQ but took learning disabled classes so I am trying to figure out if a 160 IQ makes me smart or if I only think it makes me smart because I am a retard as evidenced by my learning disabled classes I took.
So am I stupid for being in LD classes or what? Seriously very self conscious about this
Saying you are trying to create a better life for your wife while simultaneously choosing teaching because it is low IQ, easy and gets summer off and pays shit is a contradiction
"My tools to debate would be science and philosophy and would be based on rational basis."
If logic caused me to worship a pedophile who admittedly received verses from Satan because he couldn't differentiate between angels and djinn than maybe logic isn't for me.
Also if logic caused me to be a fag and wear dresses like Muslim men or do bacha Nazi and fuck my cousin like a hillbilly than logic is a bad thing
It doesn't matter what topics are avoided. Even non controversial topics should be approached in a non retarded way. Whenever you are faced with the decision of behaving like a retard or not, you should choose not to.
Just don't be a retard. Maybe start with stuff you actually believe and argue that well and then apply those principles to devils advocate topics. Seriously there are arguments about genociding Jews here that are well received. I have made them
You can keep pretending people don't want to hear those arguments when the truth is that you present those arguments like a complete retard. The site would welcome anyone who actually held that belief or who argued it well
If you don't like the position I am taking, feel free to accept as con
I am defending that the Holocaust happened so I can't get in trouble . However I get a feeling whoever accepts this debate will be banned
You wanna debate this bro?
Ghandi was literally fighting for freedom from the British and for freedom from his base instincts while Hitler was fighting for control. Like you are
AR you are going to hell for literally arguing God is more like Hitler while your opponent he is more like Ghandi and respects freedom
I didn't report that vote BTW. I thought it was fair but I just disagreed with it.
It's not a shared bop. It's all on pro but even if the bop is not on pro than it worst it is evenly split. Literally ask any seasoned debater.
Do you know how BOP works?
Bro, BOP is always on the one making a claim. Why can't Muslims be as good as Christians and just be unbiased. Like Christians if they see an atheist win an argument will vote for an atheist but you guys just have to disobey Allah by being liars. And biased. Sad
The debate title would have to be changed since it asks if the argument is sound and all competent rebuttals get around the soundness of the argument as it is undeniable.
Oddly enough I can provide an argument and defeat David here. I just don't think you can bro
If you give me your rebuttal for Godel's ontological argument to show why his math proof is wrong right here than I might consider it.
I don't want to waste my time because you pretty much have to be a mathematician to understand Godel and have a good grasp of the S5 system of logic. If this is your first time hearing the name Godel or hearing "S5 system of logic" than you have not researched this enough for a rebuttal and since nobody has ever been able to disprove Godel's mathematical proof than I doubt you can. Just give me a one sentence explaining what your rebuttal will be and if I feel like it's something I never heard or that it works than I will accept a debate.
If con is going to use AI to write his arguments I wonder if he would be fine with me having AI vote on this debate
I also understand this argument too well to vote fairly so I will abstain.
Everyone that debates against the modal ontological argument seem to never take the time to actually understand it.
Playing the lottery can lead to six figures so you made a great decision and are in no way a midwits.
It doesn't require a kritik. The Republican party was almost destroyed during the Obama years and Trump singlehandedly saved the party and his political philosophy is similar to Bill Clinton so it's odd that a closet liberal saved the Republican party and then after he saved the party he saved the country from becoming Venezuela
I approve of AI for debate and could debate you using it.
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рокро┐ройрпН роЙроЩрпНроХро│рпИ роорпБроирпНродрпИроп роиро┐ро▓рпИропро┐ро▓рпН роЕро▒ро┐роирпНродро╡ро░рпНроХро│рпН роХрпВроЯ роЙроЩрпНроХро│рпИ роЗройро┐ роЕроЯрпИропро╛ро│роорпН роХро╛рог роорпБроЯро┐ропро╛родрпБ.
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роОройрпН роХрпБрогроорпН? роХрпКроЯрпВро░рооро╛рой роТро┤рпБроХрпНроХроорпН. роЕро▓рпБрокрпНрокро▒рпНро▒ роЖро░рпНро╡роорпН. роорпБро▒рпИропро╛рой роЪро┐роирпНродройрпИ.
роиро╛ройрпН ропро╛ро░рпН роОройрпНрокродрпИ тАЬроХрогрпНроЯрпБрокро┐роЯро┐роХрпНроХро╡ро┐ро▓рпНро▓рпИтАЭ.
роиро╛ройрпН ропро╛ро░рпН роОройрпНрокродрпИ роиро╛ройрпН роЙро░рпБро╡ро╛роХрпНроХро┐ройрпЗройрпН.
роТро╡рпНро╡рпКро░рпБ рокро┤роХрпНроХроорпН, роТро╡рпНро╡рпКро░рпБ роХроЯрпНроЯрпБрокрпНрокро╛роЯрпБроорпН, роТро╡рпНро╡рпКро░рпБ роХроЯрпБроорпИропро╛рой роорпБроЯро┐ро╡рпБроорпН, роОройродрпБ роЕроЯрпБродрпНрод рокродро┐рокрпНрокрпИроХрпН роХроЯрпНроЯро┐ропродрпБ.
Victor Vitalis роОройрпНрокродрпБ роТро░рпБ рокро┐ро▒ро╡ро┐роХрпН роХрпКроЯрпИропро╛роХ роЗро▓рпНро▓рпИ.
роЕродрпБ роТро░рпБ роХроЯрпНроЯрпБрооро╛ройроорпН. роТро░рпБ роЖропрпБродроорпН.
роирпАроЩрпНроХро│рпН роХрпБрогроорпН ро╡рпЗрогрпНроЯрпБроорпН роОройрпНро▒рпБ роЪрпКро▓рпНроХро┐ро▒рпАро░рпНроХро│рпН?
роЕрокрпНрокроЯро┐ропрпЖройро┐ро▓рпН роЙроЩрпНроХро│рпН роЪрпКро▒рпНроХро│рпН роЪроЯрпНроЯрооро╛роХ роЗро░рпБроХрпНроХроЯрпНроЯрпБроорпН.
роирпАроЩрпНроХро│рпН роЪрпКро▓рпНро╡родрпБ роОродрпБро╡рпБроорпН роЪрпЖропрпНродрпБ роорпБроЯро┐роХрпНроХро╡рпБроорпН.
роорпБроЯро┐ро╡роЯрпИропрпБроорпН ро╡ро░рпИ родрпКроЯро░ро╡рпБроорпН.
роорпБроХрпНроХро┐ропрооро╛ройродрпИ роЕро│ро╡ро┐роЯрпБроЩрпНроХро│рпН.
родроЯрпИроХро│рпИ рокрпБро▒рпНро▒рпБроирпЛропрпИрокрпН рокрпЛро▓ро╡рпЗ ро╡рпЖроЯрпНроЯро┐ро╡ро┐роЯрпБроЩрпНроХро│рпН.
рокро┤рпИроп роЙроЩрпНроХро│рпИ роЕро┤ро┐роХрпНроХро╡рпБроорпН, рокрпБродро┐роп роЪроХрпНродро┐ропро╛роХ роЙро░рпБро╡рпЖроЯрпБроХрпНроХро╡рпБроорпН.
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роЙроЩрпНроХро│рпН рокро╛роЯрпБроХро│рпН рокропро┐ро▒рпНроЪро┐. роЕродрпИ роЙрокропрпЛроХро┐роХрпНроХро╡рпБроорпН.
роирпАроЩрпНроХро│рпН роХрпЗроЯрпНроХро┐ро▒рпАро░рпНроХро│рпН: роЙроЩрпНроХро│рпН рокро╛родрпИропрпИродрпН родрпЗро░рпНро╡рпБроЪрпЖропрпНро╡родро▒рпНроХрпБрокрпН рокро┐ро▒рпНрокро╛роЯрпБ роОройрпНрой роЪро┐ро░роороЩрпНроХро│рпИ роОродро┐ро░рпНроХрпКрогрпНроЯрпАро░рпНроХро│рпН?
рокропроорпН, родройро┐роорпИ, роХрпБро┤рокрпНрокроорпН, ро╡ро▒рпБроорпИ тАУ роОро▓рпНро▓ро╛ро╡ро▒рпНро▒рпИропрпБроорпН роЪроирпНродро┐родрпНродрпЗройрпН.
роЖройро╛ро▓рпН роЕродрпИропрпЖро▓рпНро▓ро╛роорпН роОро░ро┐рокрпКро░рпБро│ро╛роХ рооро╛ро▒рпНро▒ро┐ройрпЗройрпН.
роирпАроЩрпНроХро│рпБроорпН роЕрокрпНрокроЯро┐ропрпЗ роЪрпЖропрпНроп ро╡рпЗрогрпНроЯрпБроорпН.
роЙроЩрпНроХро│рпИ роороирпНродрооро╛роХрпНроХрпБроорпН роОро▓рпНро▓ро╛ро╡ро▒рпНро▒рпИропрпБроорпН тАУ роиро┐родро┐роЪрпН роЪрпБроорпИ, роХрпБроЯрпБроорпНрок роЕро┤рпБродрпНродроорпН, роЪрпЛро░рпНро╡рпБ тАУ
роЕро╡рпИ роЙроЩрпНроХро│рпН роЕро┤рпБродрпНродроХрпН роХрпВроЯроорпН (crucible).
роЕро┤рпБроХрпНроХродрпНродрпИ роирпАроЩрпНроХро│рпН роХроЯрпНроЯрпБрокрпНрокроЯрпБродрпНрод ро╡рпЗрогрпНроЯрпБроорпН, роЗро▓рпНро▓рпИропрпЖройро┐ро▓рпН роЕродрпБ роЙроЩрпНроХро│рпИ роЕро┤ро┐роХрпНроХрпБроорпН.
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роЗро▒рпБродро┐ роХроЯрпНроЯро│рпИроХро│рпН:
1. роХройро╡рпБроХро│рпИроХрпН роХрпКройрпНро▒рпБро╡ро┐роЯрпБроЩрпНроХро│рпН. роТро░рпБ ро╡ро┐ро╖ропродрпНродрпИродрпН родрпЗро░рпНроирпНродрпЖроЯрпБроХрпНроХро╡рпБроорпН. роЕродро┐ро▓рпН роЖро┤рооро╛роХ роЪрпЖройрпНро▒рпБ ро╡ро┐роЯрпБроЩрпНроХро│рпН.
2. роЪро┐ро╕рпНроЯроорпНроХро│рпН роЙро░рпБро╡ро╛роХрпНроХрпБроЩрпНроХро│рпН. рокроЯро┐рокрпНрокрпБ, роЪро┐роирпНродройрпИ, роЙроЯро▓рпН роиро▓роорпН, рокрогроорпН роЖроХро┐ропро╡ро▒рпНро▒ро┐ро▒рпНроХрпБ.
3. роЙроЩрпНроХро│рпН роЙро│рпНро│рпАроЯрпБроХро│рпН рооро▒рпНро▒рпБроорпН ро╡рпЖро│ро┐рокрпНрокро╛роЯрпБроХро│рпИ роХрогрпНроХро╛рогро┐роХрпНроХро╡рпБроорпН. роОродрпБ роЪрпЖропро▓рпНрокроЯрпБроХро┐ро▒родрпБ роОройрпНрокродрпИ роОрокрпНрокрпЛродрпБроорпН роЕро▒ро┐роирпНродрпБ роХрпКро│рпНро│рпБроЩрпНроХро│рпН.
4. рокрпЛро░ро╛ро│ро┐роХро│ро╛ро▓рпН роЙроЩрпНроХро│рпИ роЪрпБро▒рпНро▒ро┐ропро┐ро░рпБроЩрпНроХро│рпН. роЗропроХрпНроХродрпНродро┐ро▓рпН роЗро▓рпНро▓ро╛родро╡ро░рпНроХро│рпН роХрпБро▒рпИроХрпНроХрокрпНрокроЯ ро╡рпЗрогрпНроЯрпБроорпН.
5. роОро▓рпНро▓ро╛ро╡ро▒рпНро▒рпИропрпБроорпН рокродро┐ро╡рпБ роЪрпЖропрпНропрпБроЩрпНроХро│рпН. роЙроЩрпНроХро│рпН ро╡рпЖро▒рпНро▒ро┐роХро│рпН, родрпЛро▓рпНро╡ро┐роХро│рпН, роЙроЩрпНроХро│ро┐ройрпН родроирпНродро┐ро░роЩрпНроХро│рпН.
6. роТро░рпБрокрпЛродрпБроорпН роХро╛родрпНродро┐ро░рпБроХрпНроХро╛родрпАро░рпНроХро│рпН. роХро╛родрпНродро┐ро░рпБрокрпНрокродрпБ роОройрпНрокродрпБ роЪро╛ро╡рпБ. роЪрпЖропро▓рпН роЪрпЖропрпНропрпБроЩрпНроХро│рпН. роХро▒рпНро▒рпБроХрпНроХрпКро│рпНро│рпБроЩрпНроХро│рпН. роЪро░ро┐роЪрпЖропрпНропрпБроЩрпНроХро│рпН. роорпБройрпНройрпЗро▒рпБроЩрпНроХро│рпН.
Arena-ро╡ро┐ро▓рпН роЙроЩрпНроХро│рпИ ро╡ро░ро╡рпЗро▒рпНроХро┐ро▒рпЗройрпН.
роЙроЩрпНроХро│рпН роХроЯроирпНрод роХро╛ро▓родрпНродрпИ роОро░ро┐родрпНродрпБ ро╡ро┐роЯрпБроЩрпНроХро│рпН.
роЙроЩрпНроХро│рпН роЙроЪрпНроЪродрпНродрпБроХрпНроХро╛рой роПро▒родрпНродрпКроЯроЩрпНроХрпБроЩрпНроХро│рпН.
тАФ Victor Vitalis
I will write in tamil
рдЖрдк рдмрдЪрдкрди рдФрд░ рдорд░реНрджрд╛рдирдЧреА рдХреА рд╕реАрдорд╛ рдкрд░ рдЦрдбрд╝реЗ рд╣реИрдВред
рдЖрдкрдиреЗ рдореБрдЭрд╕реЗ рдкреВрдЫрд╛ рдХрд┐ рдореИрдВрдиреЗ 18 рдХреА рдЙрдореНрд░ рдореЗрдВ рдХреНрдпрд╛ рдорд╣рд╕реВрд╕ рдХрд┐рдпрд╛ред
рдореИрдВрдиреЗ рдХреБрдЫ рдирд╣реАрдВ рдорд╣рд╕реВрд╕ рдХрд┐рдпрд╛ред рдХреНрдпреЛрдВрдХрд┐ рдореИрдВ рдЕрднреА рдмрдирд╛ рдирд╣реАрдВ рдерд╛ред
18 рдПрдХ рд░рд╕реНрдо рд╣реИред рдПрдХ рдХрд╛рдиреВрдиреА рдЭреВрдаред рдЖрдк рдПрдХ рдорд░реНрдж рддрдм рдмрдирддреЗ рд╣реИрдВ рдЬрдм рдЖрдк рдЕрдкрдиреА рдЬрд╝рд┐рдВрджрдЧреА рдХреА рдкреВрд░реА рд░рдгрдиреАрддрд┐рдХ рдЬрд╝рд┐рдореНрдореЗрджрд╛рд░реА рд╕реНрд╡реАрдХрд╛рд░ рдХрд░рддреЗ рд╣реИрдВтАФрдЕрдкрдиреА рдЬреАрдд, рдЕрдкрдиреА рд╣рд╛рд░, рдЕрдкрдирд╛ рджрд┐рдорд╛рдЧ, рдЕрдкрдиреА рднрд╛рд╡рдирд╛рдПрдВ, рдЕрдкрдирд╛ рд╕рдордп, рдЕрдкрдиреЗ рдирддреАрдЬреЗред
рдореИрдВрдиреЗ 18 рдХрд╛ рдЬрд╢реНрди рдирд╣реАрдВ рдордирд╛рдпрд╛ред рдореИрдВрдиреЗ рдкрдврд╝рд╛рдИ рдХреАред рдпреЛрдЬрдирд╛ рдмрдирд╛рдИред рдХрдордЬреЛрд░ рд▓реЛрдЧреЛрдВ рд╕реЗ рдЦреБрдж рдХреЛ рдЕрд▓рдЧ рдХрд┐рдпрд╛ред рд╕рд┐рд╕реНрдЯрдо рдмрдирд╛рдПред рдХреНрдпреЛрдВрдХрд┐ рджреБрдирд┐рдпрд╛ рдХреЛ рдлрд░реНрдХ рдирд╣реАрдВ рдкрдбрд╝рддрд╛ рдХрд┐ рдЖрдк рд╡рдпрд╕реНрдХ рдмрдирдиреЗ рдХреЛ рд▓реЗрдХрд░ рдЙрддреНрд╕рд╛рд╣рд┐рдд рд╣реИрдВ рдпрд╛ рдирд╣реАрдВред рдлрд░реНрдХ рдкрдбрд╝рддрд╛ рд╣реИ рдХрд┐ рдЖрдк рдЙрдкрдпреЛрдЧреА рд╣реИрдВ, рдЦрддрд░рдирд╛рдХ рд╣реИрдВ, рдпрд╛ рдорд╣рддреНрд╡рд╣реАрдиред
рдЖрдкрдХрд╛ рдЕрддреАрдд рд╕рд┐рд░реНрдл рдЬрд┐рдВрджрд╛ рд░рд╣рдиреЗ рдХрд╛ рдерд╛ред рдЖрдкрдХрд╛ рднрд╡рд┐рд╖реНрдп рдХрдорд╛рдВрдб рдореЗрдВ рд╣реЛрдирд╛ рдЪрд╛рд╣рд┐рдПред
рдЖрдк рдХрд╣рддреЗ рд╣реИрдВ рдХрд┐ рдЖрдк рдмрд┐рдирд╛ рдЙрджреНрджреЗрд╢реНрдп рдХреЗ рдЬреАрддреЗ рд░рд╣реЗред рдХреЛрдИ рдмрд╛рдд рдирд╣реАрдВред рдЬреНрдпрд╛рджрд╛рддрд░ рд▓реЛрдЧ рдРрд╕рд╛ рд╣реА рдХрд░рддреЗ рд╣реИрдВред рд▓реЗрдХрд┐рди рдЕрдм рдЖрдкрдХреЛ рдореЛрдб рдмрджрд▓рдирд╛ рд╣реЛрдЧрд╛ред рдХреЛрдИ рдФрд░ рдмрд╣рд╛рд╡ рдирд╣реАрдВред рдХреЛрдИ рдФрд░ рдХрд▓реНрдкрдирд╛ рдирд╣реАрдВред рдЕрдм рдЖрдк рдЕрдкрдиреА рдЬрд╝рд┐рдВрджрдЧреА рдореЗрдВ рдпрд╛рддреНрд░реА рдирд╣реАрдВ рд╣реИрдВред рдЕрдм рдЖрдк рдЖрд░реНрдХрд┐рдЯреЗрдХреНрдЯ рд╣реИрдВред
рдЕрдВрдХреЛрдВ рдХреЛ рднреВрд▓ рдЬрд╛рдЗрдПред рдкреНрд░рддрд┐рд╖реНрдард╛ рдХреЛ рднреВрд▓ рдЬрд╛рдЗрдПред рд╡реЛ рд╕рдорд╕реНрдпрд╛ рдЪреБрдирд┐рдП рдЬрд┐рд╕реЗ рд╣рд▓ рдХрд░рдиреЗ рдореЗрдВ рдЖрдк рдЕрдкрдирд╛ рдЬреАрд╡рди рд▓рдЧрд╛рдПрдБрдЧреЗред
рдЖрдкрдиреЗ рдЗрдВрдЬреАрдирд┐рдпрд░рд┐рдВрдЧ рдХреА рдмрд╛рдд рдХреАред рдпреЗ рдЕрдЪреНрдЫрд╛ рд╣реИред рдЗрдВрдЬреАрдирд┐рдпрд░рд┐рдВрдЧ рддрд╛рдХрдд рд╣реИред рд▓реЗрдХрд┐рди рд╕рд┐рд░реНрдл рд╕реБрд░рдХреНрд╖рд╛ рдпрд╛ рд╕реИрд▓рд░реА рдХреЗ рд▓рд┐рдП рдордд рджреМрдбрд╝рд┐рдПред рдРрд╕реА рдорд╣рд╛рд░рдд рдмрдирд╛рдЗрдП рдЬреЛ рд╢реЛрд░ рдХреЛ рдЪреАрд░ рджреЗред рд▓реАрд╡рд░реЗрдЬ рдмрдирд╛рдЗрдПтАФрдЯреВрд▓реНрд╕, рд╕рд┐рд╕реНрдЯрдо, рдХреЛрдб, рдЖрд╡рд┐рд╖реНрдХрд╛рд░, рдиреЗрдЯрд╡рд░реНрдХтАФрдЬреЛ рдЖрдкрдХреА рддрд╛рдХрдд рдХреЛ рдмрдврд╝рд╛рдПрдБ рдмрд┐рдирд╛ рдЖрдкрдХрд╛ рд╕рдордп рдЦрд╛рдПрдВред
рдЙрджреНрджреЗрд╢реНрдп рдкрд╛рдпрд╛ рдирд╣реАрдВ рдЬрд╛рддрд╛ред рдЙрд╕реЗ рдбрд┐рдЬрд╝рд╛рдЗрди рдХрд┐рдпрд╛ рдЬрд╛рддрд╛ рд╣реИред
рдЙрджреНрджреЗрд╢реНрдп рдХреЛрдИ рдЦреЛрдпрд╛ рд╣реБрдЖ рдЦрдЬрд╛рдирд╛ рдирд╣реАрдВ рд╣реИ рдЬрд┐рд╕реЗ рдвреВрдВрдврдирд╛ рд╣реИред рд╡реЛ рдПрдХ рддрд▓рд╡рд╛рд░ рд╣реИ рдЬрд┐рд╕реЗ рдЖрдкрдХреЛ рдШрд┐рд╕рдирд╛ рд╣реИред рджрдмрд╛рд╡ рд╕реЗред рдПрдХреНрд╕рдкреЛрдЬрд░ рд╕реЗред рдкреАрдбрд╝рд╛ рд╕реЗред рдХрд╛рдо рд╕реЗред
рд╕реНрдкрд╖реНрдЯрддрд╛ рдХрд╛ рдЗрдВрддрдЬрд╝рд╛рд░ рдордд рдХреАрдЬрд┐рдПред рдХрд╛рдо рдХреАрдЬрд┐рдПред рд▓рдЧрд╛рддрд╛рд░ред рд╕реНрдкрд╖реНрдЯрддрд╛ рдХрджрдореЛрдВ рдХреЗ рдмрд╛рдж рдЖрддреА рд╣реИред рдХрд▓реНрдкрдирд╛рдУрдВ рдХреЛ рдЬрд▓рд╛ рджреАрдЬрд┐рдПред рдПрдХ рдЕрд╕рд▓реА рдЪреАрдЬрд╝ рдЪреБрдирд┐рдПред рдлрд┐рд░ рдЙрд╕рдореЗрдВ рдЗрддрдирд╛ рдЧрд╣рд░рд╛рдИ рд╕реЗ рдЙрддрд░ рдЬрд╛рдЗрдП рдХрд┐ рдЖрдк рдЕрдкрдиреЗ рдкреБрд░рд╛рдиреЗ рд░реВрдк рдХреЛ рдкрд╣рдЪрд╛рди рд╣реА рди рдкрд╛рдПрдВред
рдореЗрд░рд╛ рдЪрд░рд┐рддреНрд░? рдирд┐рд░реНрджрдпреА рдЕрдиреБрд╢рд╛рд╕рдиред рдЕрд╕реАрдо рдЬрд┐рдЬреНрдЮрд╛рд╕рд╛ред рдкреНрд░рдгрд╛рд▓реАрдЧрдд рд╕реЛрдЪред
рдореИрдВрдиреЗ "рдЦреЛрдЬрд╛" рдирд╣реАрдВ рдХрд┐ рдореИрдВ рдХреМрди рд╣реВрдВред рдореИрдВрдиреЗ рдмрдирд╛рдпрд╛ рдХрд┐ рдореИрдВ рдХреМрди рд╣реВрдВред
рд╣рд░ рдЖрджрдд, рд╣рд░ рд░реВрдЯреАрди, рд╣рд░ рдХрдард┐рди рдирд┐рд░реНрдгрдп рдиреЗ рдЕрдЧрд▓реЗ рд╕рдВрд╕реНрдХрд░рдг рдХреЛ рдЖрдХрд╛рд░ рджрд┐рдпрд╛ред
Victor Vitalis рдирд╛рдо рдХреЛрдИ рдЬрдиреНрдорд╕рд┐рджреНрдз рдЕрдзрд┐рдХрд╛рд░ рдирд╣реАрдВ рд╣реИред рдпрд╣ рдПрдХ рдирд┐рд░реНрдорд╛рдг рд╣реИред рдПрдХ рд╣рдерд┐рдпрд╛рд░ред
рдЖрдк рдЪрд░рд┐рддреНрд░ рдЪрд╛рд╣рддреЗ рд╣реИрдВ? рддреЛ рдЕрдкрдиреА рдмрд╛рдд рдХреЛ рдХрд╛рдиреВрди рдмрдирд╛рдЗрдПред рдЬреЛ рдХрд╣реЗрдВ, рдЙрд╕реЗ рдХрд░реЗрдВред рдЬреЛ рд╢реБрд░реВ рдХрд░реЗрдВ, рдЙрд╕реЗ рдЦрддреНрдо рдХрд░реЗрдВред рдЬреЛ рдорд╛рдпрдиреЗ рд░рдЦрддрд╛ рд╣реИ, рдЙрд╕реЗ рдорд╛рдкреЗрдВред рдзреНрдпрд╛рди рднрдВрдЧ рдХрд░рдиреЗ рд╡рд╛рд▓реА рдЪреАрдЬреЛрдВ рдХреЛ рдХреИрдВрд╕рд░ рдХреА рддрд░рд╣ рдХрд╛рдЯ рдлреЗрдВрдХрд┐рдПред рдЦреБрдж рдХреЛ рдЗрддрдирд╛ рдмрджрд▓ рдбрд╛рд▓рд┐рдП рдХрд┐ рдЖрдкрдХреЛ рдЬрд╛рдирдиреЗ рд╡рд╛рд▓рд╛ рдХреЛрдИ рднреА рд╡реНрдпрдХреНрддрд┐ рдЖрдкрдХреЛ рдкрд╣рдЪрд╛рди рди рдкрд╛рдПред
рдЖрдкрдХреА рдХрдард┐рдирд╛рдЗрдпрд╛рдБ рдкреНрд░рд╢рд┐рдХреНрд╖рдг рд╣реИрдВред рдЙрдирдХрд╛ рдЙрдкрдпреЛрдЧ рдХреАрдЬрд┐рдПред
рдЖрдк рдкреВрдЫрддреЗ рд╣реИрдВ рдХрд┐ рдЕрдкрдиреЗ рд░рд╛рд╕реНрддреЗ рдХреЛ рдЪреБрдирддреЗ рд╕рдордп рдореИрдВрдиреЗ рдХрд┐рди рд╕рдВрдШрд░реНрд╖реЛрдВ рдХрд╛ рд╕рд╛рдордирд╛ рдХрд┐рдпрд╛ред
рдореИрдВрдиреЗ рдбрд░, рдЕрдХреЗрд▓рд╛рдкрди, рдЕрд╕рдорд░реНрдерддрд╛, рдЧрд░реАрдмреАтАФрд╕рдмрдХрд╛ рд╕рд╛рдордирд╛ рдХрд┐рдпрд╛ред рд▓реЗрдХрд┐рди рдореИрдВрдиреЗ рдЙрдиреНрд╣реЗрдВ рдИрдВрдзрди рдмрдирд╛ рджрд┐рдпрд╛ред
рдЖрдкрдХреЛ рднреА рд╡рд╣реА рдХрд░рдирд╛ рд╣реЛрдЧрд╛ред
рдЬреЛ рднреА рдЖрдкрдХреЛ рдзреАрдорд╛ рдХрд░рддрд╛ рд╣реИтАФрдкреИрд╕реЗ рдХреА рдХрдореА, рдкрд╛рд░рд┐рд╡рд╛рд░рд┐рдХ рджрдмрд╛рд╡, рдердХрд╛рд╡рдЯтАФрд╡рд╣реА рдЖрдкрдХреА рднрдЯреНрдареА рд╣реИред рдЕрд░рд╛рдЬрдХрддрд╛ рдкрд░ рд╡рд┐рдЬрдп рдкрд╛рдПрдВ, рдпрд╛ рдЕрд░рд╛рдЬрдХрддрд╛ рджреНрд╡рд╛рд░рд╛ рдкрд░рд╛рдЬрд┐рдд рд╣реЛ рдЬрд╛рдПрдВред рдЖрдкрдХреЗ рдкрд╛рд╕ рд╕рд┐рд░реНрдл рджреЛ рд╡рд┐рдХрд▓реНрдк рд╣реИрдВред
рдЕрдВрддрд┐рдо рдЖрджреЗрд╢:
рдХрд▓реНрдкрдирд╛ рдХрд╛ рдЕрдВрдд рдХрд░реЛред рдПрдХ рдЪреАрдЬрд╝ рдЪреБрдиреЛред рдЙрд╕рдореЗрдВ рдЧрд╣рд░рд╛рдИ рд╕реЗ рдЬрд╛рдУред
рд╕рд┐рд╕реНрдЯрдо рдмрдирд╛рдУред рдкрдврд╝рд╛рдИ рдХреЗ рд▓рд┐рдПред рд╕реЛрдЪрдиреЗ рдХреЗ рд▓рд┐рдПред рд╕реНрд╡рд╛рд╕реНрдереНрдп рдХреЗ рд▓рд┐рдПред рдкреИрд╕реЗ рдХреЗ рд▓рд┐рдПред
рдЗрдирдкреБрдЯ рдФрд░ рдЖрдЙрдЯрдкреБрдЯ рдХреЛ рдЯреНрд░реИрдХ рдХрд░реЛред рд╣рдореЗрд╢рд╛ рдЬрд╛рдиреЛ рдХрд┐ рдХреНрдпрд╛ рдХрд╛рдо рдХрд░рддрд╛ рд╣реИред
рдШрд╛рддрдХ рд▓реЛрдЧреЛрдВ рд╕реЗ рдШрд┐рд░реЛред рдЬреЛ рдорд┐рд╢рди рдкрд░ рдирд╣реАрдВ рд╣реИрдВ, рдЙрдиреНрд╣реЗрдВ рдХрдо рдХрд░реЛред
рд╕рдм рдХреБрдЫ рдбреЙрдХреНрдпреВрдореЗрдВрдЯ рдХрд░реЛред рдЕрдкрдиреА рдЬреАрдд, рдЕрдкрдиреА рд╣рд╛рд░, рдЕрдкрдиреА рд░рдгрдиреАрддрд┐ред
рдХрднреА рдЗрдВрддрдЬрд╝рд╛рд░ рдордд рдХрд░реЛред рдЗрдВрддрдЬрд╝рд╛рд░ рдореМрдд рд╣реИред рдХрд╛рдо рдХрд░реЛред рд╕реАрдЦреЛред рд╕рдорд╛рдпреЛрдЬрд┐рдд рдХрд░реЛред рдЖрдЧреЗ рдмрдврд╝реЛред
Arena рдореЗрдВ рдЖрдкрдХрд╛ рд╕реНрд╡рд╛рдЧрдд рд╣реИред рдЕрдкрдиреЗ рдЕрддреАрдд рдХреЛ рдЬрд▓рд╛ рджреЛред
рдЕрдкрдирд╛ рдЖрд░реЛрд╣рдг рд╢реБрд░реВ рдХрд░реЛред
тАФVictor Vitalis
I think am going to stop you at the first post because the website i linked to cites where the data comes from, I have seen it in multiple studies and you are comparing teacher IQs to all degree holders and determining it means something. You admitted that their IQs were on the low end (average is low btw since the average person is an idiot) and I compared to degrees smart people pursue like engineering or physics.
Bro your degree is easy and you know it. It's why you don't get paid much and no a PHD to get a professorship is not going to help either because all PHD grass are pursuing those positions as their PHD is barely useful in any non academic setting (AKA real jobs)
My advise is to drop this career path and just go become a welder or something. You'll make more, have less debt and I would just advise you not to be long winded around blue collar folks
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Blacks of the same economic status also have higher crime rates.
Here is a list of average IQ by major
https://stephenporter.org/iq-by-college-major/
"On your claim with IQ, I hate to say you are running from your original claims. At first you mentioned that teachers were low IQ"
I have an IQ of 160 what do you think ai consider a low IQ to be?
Yes 106 is retarded. These people are idiots and even when you crawl towards 120 it's still a bunch of midwits who almost exclusively use appeals to authority of some variation to make arguments.
The meta studies across all college degrees are dumb it includes shit like "women's studies" . To see if they are retards you should compare them to people we know are smart like physicists or engineers
"First homeschool children and public school children are vastly different population groups. Performance has nothing to do with teaching, but simply has to do with parental involvement, "
You are assuming that. Perhaps it is due to the fact that IQ is largely heritable and so the kids are smarter. That seems like a variable that should be accounted for since it's the most obvious cause for better performance in things like SATs which are essentially IQ tests.
"You are making a lot of correlation causation fallacies '
No you are not coming from this in a tabula Rasa way. I have zero biases and just am going to assume the most obvious thing. For example if blacks kids have behavior problems then it's probably due to genetics especially since poor white kids have these problems to a lesser degree.
You did mention black kids being punished harder and I shit you not when I was taking notes on all these, studies showed they are punished less often for behavior issues and so when they are finally punished it is usually for a bunch of things and then people used that to indicate racism asking for increased punishment of black kids on first offenses. So the behavior issues don't escalate.
Have you ever dealt with black parents when their kids have behavior issues? What about the parents of white kids? We know which parents are more likely to lash out at the kid and which are more likely to lash out at you, so obviously the black kids will get more slack. It isn't racism it's a response to the situation that black parents are creating.
"if someone tried to compare crime in a poor country like Mexico with a richer country like a wealthier European country, one may say that white people are better than minorities"
You start with the presupposition of perfect equality but if white societies tend to create prosperity and low crime while non white societies create the opposite than clearly our. Systems are better at least and they should copy and paste our systems to get the same results.
"My offer to debate racial issues is still on the table. I may be willing to do something in regard to schools as well. Just let me know instead of us just using a comment thread lol! Anyway nice conversation.'
I could take it to a debate depending on the discussion but our goals when communicating are probably different. I am enjoying this but if you aren't it's fine. I am pretty well read on this stuff as well. I have also taken and aced courses in statistics so I know what confounding variables are. I do think social scientists will often try to overcomplicate shit with them.
They will always try to dig a layer deeper and keep going until they get the answer they want. For example socioeconomic sounds better than African Americans being a problem somewhere so they will point to poor white kids and see the same issue to a lesser degree and use that to dismiss the real problem.
You also miss the real issue here as well and have missed some opportunities. For example.... Does it matter if black kids have a lower IQ than white kids on average or more behavior problems and whether those problems are from a legacy of racism or from genetic inferiority?
This is where liberals really fuck up. This is because the answer doesn't matter, what matters is that we see a community struggling and there are steps we can take to make their lives better which by extension will make our lives better, but instead of saying this you get distracted by who is superior or inferior or whether perfect equality exists or not. Of course you lie to yourself and assume perfect equality and you care more about protecting that illusion than you do about bettering society.
We can take race out of this. Is your average Appalachian hillbilly an idiot and low IQ? Yes?
Is it probably a long genetic legacy of idiots breeding with each other just like in large portions of the black population? Probably yes and if these hillbillies were black you would probably be in denial about that genetic inferiority.
The bottom line is that it doesn't matter. These are humans that need help and it's worth discussing strategies for making that happen
"Researchers such as Berliner & Hermans show that other factors are associated with behavior such as socioeconomic status."
Socioeconomic status is code for who? We know ......
102-112 may be average but it is low. I mean in the general population at least they have the excuse if retards dragging the average down but for colleges? There is a reason why STEM degrees often have IQs closer to 130.
As. Far as you are saying with students and teachers sucking at teaching. Homeschoolers also generally perform better on standardized tests and many are getting 5 hours of studying done a week and random adults are outperforming teachers with much less time and professional training.
Do teachers ever think that they spend like 8 hours a day with kids and those kids learn less than parents literally doing one hour or two hours of work daily with their homeschool child?
The "l" is actually a capital i if that helps tag me, but these are criticisms of the anti white education some schools teach by Dennis Prager not a criticism of teaching black history.
The example of trump was him also targeting the same things and you could have directly linked to his bill with citations but chose to link to a commentator instead. One who is also pushing critical race theory. It's an attack on the narrative of critical race theory and nothing else. Are we trying to highlight the achievements of blacks and the horrors of slavery so they aren't repeated or are we merely trying to brain wash students into becoming a professional victim class?
"You get more conservative people who claim that teaching more on the black perspective is wrong because тАЬIt is making the founding fathers look badтАЭ.
No you don't get that from conservatives. Show me a single Ben Shapiro segment that says this. He has discussed about every conservative topic so it shouldn't be too hard to get the conservative view from him on this topic somewhere.
How come teachers struggle to teach 3rd grade math over an 8 hour day for months at a time when I can teach my kid the same skill in 30 minutes a day
". There are plenty of studies that back up many of my claims in regard to the difficulty of teaching and why many teachers are trying to find different careers "
Yes and those studies bend over backwards to not say "black kids" are out of control. The solution is probably to teach in white schools where kids are genetically more inclined to be well behaved.
Studies show that those receiving teaching degrees are around an average IQ of 102 so one of the lowest IQ degrees. You sound like a saint though if what you are saying is true.
What do you think of the concept of twice exceptional students? How can a person simultaneously be a genius and a retard?
I have a high IQ but took learning disabled classes so I am trying to figure out if a 160 IQ makes me smart or if I only think it makes me smart because I am a retard as evidenced by my learning disabled classes I took.
So am I stupid for being in LD classes or what? Seriously very self conscious about this
Short sighted and self indulgent
If course some brains are obviously going to be wired more for that as also evidenced in the mouse utopia experiments
Saying you are trying to create a better life for your wife while simultaneously choosing teaching because it is low IQ, easy and gets summer off and pays shit is a contradiction
Yes see the mouse utopia experiments. It is natural and it occurs due to over population in some areas combined with prosperity.
First off Hitler
Its okay I will give this kid great life advice, no forum needed
You only believe it's true because God made you believe it's true. You have no free will
"My tools to debate would be science and philosophy and would be based on rational basis."
If logic caused me to worship a pedophile who admittedly received verses from Satan because he couldn't differentiate between angels and djinn than maybe logic isn't for me.
Also if logic caused me to be a fag and wear dresses like Muslim men or do bacha Nazi and fuck my cousin like a hillbilly than logic is a bad thing
In the Arena we allow the weak to die and only the strong remain. https://www.neoseeker.com/forums/68409/
Nigger is our word and it's cultural appropriation for blacks to use it.
You would think if freedom of speech is allowed anywhere it would be on a debate site .
"Liberalism is not the same as Libertarianism. "
I am aware but some libertarians refer to themselves as classic liberals
"I am not a libertarian. My views on Liberalism, specifically classical liberalism are shaped by the Austrian school of economics. "
That's literally libertarian economics LOL. I know because it's a rabbit hole I went down when I was a libertarian
Fair enough
Your arguing with somebody whose only goal is to act as stupid as possible to frustrate you. .
At least rizzler got one vote correct
I clearly need to unsubscribe from this topic
"The only question is how far each of them go in practice. Polytheism and monotheism are always mutually exclusive."
In real life Jews and Christians give pagans the side eye and Muslims murder them.
I forgot about this. Damn it
It doesn't matter what topics are avoided. Even non controversial topics should be approached in a non retarded way. Whenever you are faced with the decision of behaving like a retard or not, you should choose not to.
Just don't be a retard. Maybe start with stuff you actually believe and argue that well and then apply those principles to devils advocate topics. Seriously there are arguments about genociding Jews here that are well received. I have made them
You can keep pretending people don't want to hear those arguments when the truth is that you present those arguments like a complete retard. The site would welcome anyone who actually held that belief or who argued it well