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@Savant
I am open to Owen if for no other reason than he is a liability but everyone needs to place a vote on somebody so we can start negotiating between all these preferences
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@JoeBob
Let's take out whiteflame. I have a theory I want to explore and Will lay it out next dp. I was waiting to see a certain flip but we can test my theory now.
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@Savant
I don't want a full claim. If we can't get the lynch than it makes no sense because then we reveal unnecessary information if he is town. We could also shift the lynch to earth and then he outted for nothing.
Let's see what lynch we can get and then allow them to claim if they are fast wnough
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@whiteflame
The is more important stuff than this game. Go do your thing. I threw a name out to get some activity and see if we can spark consensus. You should probably put your vote on somebody who is in a lot of POE pools like earth though
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@Lunatic
@AustinL0926
@Owen_T
None of you guys have whiteflame as town. Let's go
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@Savant
I am going to try and get barney to help own. Let's look outside of the easy inactive pool
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@Earth
Very your vote on somebody please. We all have overlapping scum pools. We can make some progress here
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@Lunatic
@Mharman
@Savant
Nobody town reads whiteflame. We might as well do this and I don't want any excuses from anybody that has not presented a town read of him
unvote VTL whiteflame
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@whiteflame
@Savant
@JoeBob
I think austin should be lynched but we have atleast 5 people here with overlapping POEs. Let's make a decision.
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@Moozer325
Ridding in a car is just a dangerous, and children aren’t banned from that.
They are banned from smoking cigarettes and they need transportation to get to school and doctors appointments etc. Smoking and cutting off an 8 year Olds dick is unnecessary and provide no benefit
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@Moozer325
How is changing your sex harmful?
Other than the effects to society at large and if we limit this to the domain of adults then.
It increases your chances of suicide, aids, unhappiness and being in an abusive relationship
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@Best.Korea
Not all trans people commit suicide, but those who do usually come from Christian families.
Nobody said they did. The point was that it isn't hateful to prevent people from.harming themselves.
Driving a car is harmful.
Yes, which is why we ban children from doing it.
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@Best.Korea
Trans people want to be trans.
Suicidal people want to commit suicide
As I said, its not about any kind of chopping off dicks.
It's still harmful. Not everything that excludes cutting off your dick is harmless
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@Owen_T
If you actually love savant you will hammer austin
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@whiteflame
And let me be very clear on this: no one should hammer.
Bro there is only a few hours left.
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@Best.Korea
Not just surgery. They oppose to any type of transition. There is no love there. Just pure religious hate.
Even a social transition is extremely harmful. Opposing harm coming to your child is good.
You cannot love trans and at the same time try to prevent people from being trans.
This is like saying you can't love cancer patients if you hate cancer.
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@Moozer325
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@Best.Korea
Is it really because you stated that if somebody is opposed to mutilating the cocks of 12 year old gay boys it means they hate faggots. I just don't see it that way. If anything it's loving
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I am okay with a no lunch as well, so I won't be campaigning but I also will not remove my vote
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That's like saying it is hateful to talk somebody out of suicide BK.
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There is a sort of justice in it though. I don't know who is town but If we assume that all 3 of the people mentioned are town and it looked like we were going to lynch lunatic or savant at one point than he deserves it.
Town doesn't deserve to lose a member this way but it is a type of justice.
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@Moozer325
In short they don't
I just don’t really get it. Why do some people have a problem with other people changing their gender, or being gay?
They don't the issues would be genetic males competing with genetic females or the transitioning of children and causing permanent har. To their body.
Personally I think it's a mental disorder, but it's also none of my business. I will take issue with them claiming I should give a shit about their pronouns though.
It’s not your business. I’m genuinely curious if there is a half-decent explanation other than just “they’re retarded”.
Basically it is just an untrue strawman thay is used to paint people concerned about the well being of children or concerned about female sports with a broad brush to dismiss their claims
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@Lunatic
Either way I know savant isn't going to let up on this now and probably mharman or earth either. I think whiteflame and maybe wylted will see the light, joebob will probably just wagon the highest lynch train, and ulttimately, I think austins screwed himself.
I can walk away from the lynch. My issue is that it seems even if he is town, the lynch still seems beneficial from an information gathering angle.
I think we have slightly less than 8 hours
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@Mharman
If he's town and Dreamer: His results are confirmed and Savant is probably scum.If he's town and not dreamer: We know what weird gambit he was trying and can work from there on DP2.If he's scum: Awesome. Scum down, and we don't have to deal with this massive headache anymore. All three of Wylted, Savant, and Lunatic are near-guaranteed to be town.
This largely mirrors my thoughts but I wasn't sure if I should admit the part about thinking it would provide great information even if he flips town
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@JoeBob
But even then, why would Austin fake the results? That would make him look scummy and he knows it.
The first sentence is how you scum hunt. The second one also fine but you want to practice dialectical thinking. Why would scum do that. Why would town do that etc. Think of a few scenarios for each and feel out the probabilities
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@Lunatic
I think there is likely at least scum are in earth, mharman, joebob, and owen. Maybe two. I could see being wrong on one of my town reads, but it is early in the game, I imagine I will refine these reads later on. This is just where I am at now.
I have nearly the same reads, except I would exclude joebob and Owen from the POE for the time being
For me it's between earth, Austin and mharman
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@JoeBob
Wouldn’t say it’s confused and more of loosing tack of what’s going on.
That's natural when you feel overwhelmed. Focus on 1 person and slowly expand outward.
I go off of mechanics and whether it makes senses and that stuff more than behavior.
Mechanics can lie, behavior does not even if it is hard to figure out what the behavior means
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@JoeBob
what do you want from me
Just give your thoughts.
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Austin says he will full claim at L1. This is totally unacceptable for somebody to say after soft claiming some sort of day investigative role with information
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Okay Austin is waveringnin his certainly of savant being scum and claiming he is not 100% scum but mechanically scum or such nonsense.
Austin needs to full claim at this point
unvote VTL austin
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Okay I think I soved the puzzle and it is just odd.
unvote VTL savant
Essentially austin is either a town day cop and risking a mislynch on lunatic with his bullshit or Austin is bussing his scum partner. Either way savant is scum
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@Lunatic
There is actually another reason he has a solid scum read on savant. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/11342-ace-attorney-mafia-dp1?page=2&post_number=55
His ego could be doing all the talking here. Fake a dreamer result and bus savant on dp1 to prove something
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@Casey_Risk
It's hard not to town read him after the thread. It seems unfair to the scum team tbh.
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@Lunatic
One thing that is crossing my mind is him being legitimately a day cop and lying saying he is a dreamer or insinuating it to maybe survive an extra dp. I know he has a self preservation instinct but now is the time to be honest and now that I think about it, it makes a lot of sense that he is a daycop in which case we can just go ahead and lynch savant
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@JoeBob
Do you see how me and lunatic and savant are asking questions, trying to understand why people are doing certain behaviors?
This is how you scum hunt. Just try to see if somebody's words match their behaviors.
I can go into more detail perhaps at another point with lynch train analysis, scum tells, after somebody flips scum, see if their interactions feel awkward with somebody else. Is somebedy trying to avoid the dp but are online? Do they have a good reason for it? If not is it because they are dicks not trying or is it because they are scum trying to fly under everyone's radar?
just do what you do in real life to catch liars
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@Casey_Risk
This is unacceptable
Its not the proper time for this he could ask the question in this thread or wait for the game to be done.
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If he ended up getting 2 mislynches out of it, it puts scum in a great spot and he could potentially get 3 mislynches from it
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@Savant
Try to forget about austins results for a bit and do some behavioral analysis
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@Lunatic
Him assuming my CC came from town is odd also. I know he said some wifom logic on why it was likely coming from town, but scum could have also made a bullshit CC, especially if my stupid daycop move was on the top of his head. He could think I as scum would be confident in an aggressive play where I CC and then try to survive, but it never crossed his mind.
Now I want to know. How pissed would he be as scum if I as town faked a CC, which is what he had to think from his perspective and still caught scum.
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@Lunatic
feedback on it being on the top of austin's head that I claimed daycop and then he claims day dreamer as a spin off of that, which to be fair it does one up me because a day dreamer could have gotten me 2 mislynches.
Maybe his goal is not so much to win as to make an awesome move and be considered a hero. Back when I played poker for a living most of my income came from guys who cared more about looking like heros, by making gutsy calls and "hero folds". These guys were more interested in their ego than making long term winning plays. Austin just came from a very competitive chess tournament and likely has the competitive juices flowing and the ego present from being in a competitive environment
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I feel like lunatic and savant are both town. They both are giving me town vibes. The only thing making me think one is scum is merely austin's claim which he did not elaborate on how he got that claim.
For example what if his role is not as simple as, "here are 3 town names, one is scum" .
One thing that stands out is Austin remembering off the top of his head that I claimed day cop, and survived way too long after the lynch flipped inno. I wonder if he is trying to one up me here.
behaviorally savant and lunatic both feel towny.
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@Lunatic
I am only thinking this because I just didn’t see him switching so conveniently like that to team savant. And he was very good in the last game. So I’m either over estimating him or I’m just wrong.
I WASN'T That good on dp1. I town read pie and still could not resist hammering him for some reason.
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@Lunatic
If I was austin I would just full claim if I was in this spot. I don't want to just assume he is a dreamer. I want to know why he thinks scum is between these 3.
We have time to figure this out. I keep going back and forth and in the back of my mind you both could be town
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@JoeBob
I’d like to get a full claim first from him
Let's see if he cooperates
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savant has shared his role and hasn't really tried to lynch outside of the dreamer results and appears to be attempting to scum hunt. If savant is scum he deserves to live another DP. I think we should just lynch lunatic.
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Okay fuck it
Let's just go this way.
VTL lunatic
my reads arent that strong and if we go by actions, lunatics are worse
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I think autocorrect is an SJW and is trying to stop me from saying lynch.
I can't wait until AI is I'm the operati g system of windows and it gives me a lecture every time I say a racial slur
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This is crazy but we can literally confirm Austin's role by launching him and if this is some scum gambit we minimize the damage caused by town on town violence. If he is town on the other hand we can confidently lynch lunatic so a 1 for 1 trade.
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