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@FLRW
Many experts believe racist beliefs were developed to justify self-interest and greed.
They are wrong. Slavery developed for economic advantage and did not require racist views to implement
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@bronskibeat
There isn’t a “genetic predisposition.” There are socioeconomic, environmental, and societal factors.
Certainly those factors play a role but you can be genitically predisposed to violence which is more likely to happen to nigs because of a little thing I call evolutionary advantages brought on by environment over hundreds of thousands of years
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@bronskibeat
So instead of nature say more of a genetic predisposition?!
And genetic predispositions come from where?
Nature right?
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@bronskibeat
It would be accurate to say: a small minority of black people commit violent crime at higher rates than white people. The percentages are not significant enough to try to paint the majority of black people in a particular light.
Minority and small are literally the same way. It's not concise. It literally means the exact same thing to say
You are more likely to me physically attacked by a nigger who hears the word nigger than a gook who hears the word gook, due to their violent nature.
It literally means the same exact thing as you said. Now you can say you feel the above statements implies all black people or most but you would be a retard for thinking it implies that
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@Skipper_Sr
So if Allah raped him Allah would be a pedophile
Well he is an admitted pedophile is we are talking of the user
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@Skipper_Sr
Probably not a full grown man. Likely to be less than 5ft 9in tall which is the cut off for being a man
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@Double_R
I find it really irritating when someone votes against me cause they didn't find what I had to say convincing to them
Yeah it's bullshit. It doesn't matter if it's. Convincing. I have changed my position on things while debating because i am actively researchimg them but any smart person is unlikely to be persuaded reading a debate it is supposed to be about who performed better not who you agree with.
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@Swagnarok
Usually there is a grace period for things like this I believe
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@bronskibeat
This is whole thread is about black people who have a violent response to being called the "n-word", but presents it as if someone reacting violently to a word is somehow unique to or significantly more prevalent among black people
If this was relevant to 2% of black people and only 1% of every other group. You do realize it would be more black people per capita with this problem right?
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@Mharman
I will be there tonight for a drop in also tag people nigga
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@bronskibeat
You're missing the point. We don't generalize all women's care when it comes to breast cancer, so we certainly don't need to generalize all or most black people as being violent especially when those who commit violent crimes make up 3.4% of the black population.
Nobody said all black people so WTF are you talking about?
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@bronskibeat
"Per capital" isn't a thing.
Don't be a restart and worry about what my auto correct does.
We don't generalize all women when it comes to breast cancer screening. For most women, screening isn't deemed necessary until they are at-least 40 years old, and from there the type of screening differs from woman to woman based on their personal health background and history. Your average person isn't treating every woman they meet like they have breast cancer.
What? But you said generalizations were bad when looking at data about what happens on average. Now it's okay to target resources correctly and do breast cancer screenings on women over 40?
Plus, 13.1% of women will get breast cancer in their lifetime vs. only 3.4% of black people who have committed violent crime.
Okay and?
"A study of police movements in 23 major U.S. cities finds officers spend considerably more time in Black neighborhoods than in other areas with similar socioeconomic demographics and crime-driven demand for policing. " https://anderson-review.ucla.edu/smartphone-records-reveal-racial-disparities-in-neighborhood-policing/
Yes I said to generalize high crime areas not black areas. But this still proves my point that generalizations are good so we can move resources to the correct areas.
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@Sidewalker
Sounds like a trailer trash redneck to me.
Yeah they come from the same type of hillbilly culture so will have similarities
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@Double_R
I didn't want to bring it up but another thing these idiots are missing and I am trying to get them to attack me on that point is the effect of concentrated poverty which is quite different than dispersed poverty.
Concentrated poverty doesn't account for the entire disparities here but enough of it so we know what issue to attack to improve society.
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@Double_R
See my earlier post 25 to IlDiavolo. The trauma carried in the black community is substantively different than any of the other examples you provided
I did and I thought you brought up excellent points. I have counter points to those, but they would just mitigate what you said not disprove it.
for centuries that they are less than human and therefore not deserving of basic rights. That is a view that largely remains unchanged today as evidence by people like you.
It's literally not accepted anywhere in polite society .
to not internalize it takes serious work to which many black people are unable to overcome
Don't be a dick. Black people are not weak and pathetic they can overcome these things.
David Goggins is one example of somebody who overcame that shit and while there is only one David Goggins anyone can demand a stoic worldview from themselves and infuse a warrior mentality.
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@bronskibeat
And you still can’t generalize a population based on “per capita.”
Yes you can. Im fact its how we do medicine. Women get breast cancer per capital so we prioritize giving them routine breast examinations.
It's actually retarded not to generalize. Its a waste of societal resources to say "hey let's not generalize, let's put an equal number of cops on every block instead of generalizing and pooling them in high crime areas.
I am sure there is one retard on the police force
"You can't generalize areas just because those are high crime doesn't mean a crime will happen there tonight or that a crime won't happen in a good area"
Why not just avoid being retarded and do stuff in effective ways instead of being ineffective?
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@bronskibeat
You realize you can find videos of people from any race starting a violent altercation on the internet, right?
Yes obviously.... you can also find videos of senior citizens beating up 20 year olds so I guess that means 20 year olds possess no advantages over a senior citizen in a fight.
What's with low IQ people struggling with the ideology of per capital or on average?
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@Allah
I don't want to but he is forcing me to insult the next 10 gooks I see. He has to insult the next ten black people he sees as a social experiment. Again I don't want to get my ass kicked by some slant eyed bug man, but bronto is forcing me
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@bronskibeat
Most people of any demographic won't "start swinging" including black people.
How about this. You call 10 black people nigger to their face. The next 10 you see and tell me how many punch you. I will call the next ten Asians I see gooks and I will report the results. Sound fair?
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@IlDiavolo
I have a doubt, though. The word "negro" is also as bad as the N-word? I barely hear it. Also, what is the difference between "nigger" and "nigga"? Do they have the same negative load?
It's not okay for white people to say nigga, but it has a different connotation in general because it's how people in the in group identify each other. The difference when I was managing is I would chastize a black person for it and a white person risked termination for it.
Negro is okay. It feels wrong because it's a word infrequently used now like "betwixt" but also sounds similar to nigger. You would probably get punched in the face for using the word "niggardly" also.
Educated black people won't be offended by the use of negro as long as you can say it with zero disdain and confidently and not over use it.
As for the difference between nigger and negro my theory is rednecks saying negro in a way that sounds like "nigger" so that's where the word sub divided and became a part of what we call the euphemism wheel.
It's kind of a famous thing where a racist will refer to an adult negro male as "boy" so with the southern accent though southerners are less likely to be racist it could sound closer to BWOE in which case if boy was a term specifically for African American males they would have randomly called that racist.
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@Allah
Again, if your theory was true and race predicted crime, then Japan would have as much crime as, lets say, Cambodia. But generally, you see some asian countries being safest in the world while some being most dangerous in the world.
I wouldn't say race is the only predictor. Nor would I say cambodians and Japanese are the same race. . extreme poverty probablly ties your hands a bit and some of the black crime disparity can be explained by the effects of concentrated poverty but it doesn't entirely explain the discrepancy which is where hillbilly culture and genetics come into play
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@Allah
Wealthy black people have lower crime than poor blacks but higher than wealthy whites
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@JoeBob
Lunatic said vote resurgent if pie is hesitant we can secure that vote. Ceru is less certain and lunatic lead a successful lynch last dp
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@JoeBob
Vote ceru then if we go red than whiteflame and pie are here so just vote ceru and me and whiteflame follow pies preferred target
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@ILikePie5
Where you going I have 2 votes to back you up. Joe Bob and whiteflame are here. Joebobs lack of input this DP means his vote should go where we say anyway
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@JoeBob
Vote ceru or red please I have my 2 votes willing to go anywhere
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@Allah
So your logic is:
If poverty predicts crime, then:
50% of Americans in poverty are black = 50% of homicides would be done by black people.
20 % of people in poverty are black and this is about violent crime not homicides. They are over represented in the data
black families are more than 4x times poorer than white families on average,
Untrue and wealthy black people by percentage of the total black population are also more likely to commit violent crimes than white people who also make 6 figures or more on average.
Lets also remember that statistics also incorrectly report many Hispanics as white to make the crime rates appear closer to even
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@FLRW
Not militant atheists though because militant atheism is a type of religion also
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@Allah
thi section is ony for oaths you are fee to start a different thread for discussion of the oath so kindly go fuck yourself and leave my thread
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@FLRW
You all know that God is in God Prison for making different colored people, don't you?
variety is the spice of life.
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@Allah
In truth, solving this question does not require any sophisticated data analysis. It can confidently be answered in the negative with a simple observation: above 50% of homicides in the United States are perpetrated by black people.1 If poverty were to account for the homicide disparities, at least 50% of Americans in poverty would need to be black. In reality, just ~20% of people in poverty are black (Shrider & Creamer, 2023). QED.
That settles the question. It follows immediately that non-black people must have lower rates of homicide offending, even once poverty is accounted for. This is because, in raw numbers, there are more non-black poor people than poor black people (80% vs 20%), but there are more black homicide offenders than non-black homicide offenders (>50% vs <50%). So even hypothetically if all homicides were committed by people in poverty, a smaller group of poor people would be responsible for a greater number of murders — i.e., the homicide rate is higher. The observation here is that, while black people are overrepresented among the poor, they are not sufficiently overrepresented such that it could account for the homicide overrepresentation relative to non-black people. Poverty alone cannot explain the disparity.
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@Allah
you can adjust for income level which has been done many times and race is still a better predictor of crime level than how much is made.
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This is not about muslims being inferior or wrong or lesser so anyone thinking of erasing this or banning this subject is being unreasonable. I am stating that their culture or belief system is irreconcilable with the goals of a debate site.
We have all noticed that Muslims will never vote against a position they disagree with in a debate. This alone is enough. We should be voting for who we thinks had the better argument not looking for ways to twist RFDs into fitting our preferred winners argument.
What follows is an analysis of their internal mindset so you can see why the group should be banned by default although making exceptions for some outliers may be fine.
Muslim is an Identity not a belief system
In most Islamic cultures, Islam isn't just a worldview — it's your tribe, your bloodline, your honor system.
So to vote against a Muslim argument, even if it’s weaker, feels like betrayal, not intellectual integrity.
- Christians → “I disagree, but truth is truth.”
- Atheists → “He beat me. Respect.”
- Muslims → “This isn’t just debate. This is the Ummah.”
They see it like voting against their nation or family, not just their theology.
Collective responsibility stops them from being intellectually honest
In Islamic thought (especially more traditional interpretations), there's this sense of communal accountability before God.
If a Muslim publicly sides with a non-Muslim in a theological debate, it’s seen as:
- Strengthening kufr (disbelief)
- Undermining dawah (Islamic outreach)
- Weakening the perception of Islamic strength
Islam is basically a hive mind according to sociologists so a single token muslim on the site might be enough
Sociologists describe Islam (and Orthodox Judaism, to a lesser extent) as “tight cultures” — high emphasis on loyalty, conformity, and moral unity.
Christianity and modern atheism are “loose cultures” — more open to internal disagreement and pluralism.
So a Christian can say “Well he made better points, even if I disagree” and still sleep at night.
But a Muslim might feel that’s a public breach of group loyalty.
Muslims on the site are jihading us right now, not looking for actual debate
In Islam, arguing for the faith is literally a form of jihad — “striving in the way of Allah.”
So losing isn’t just personal — it feels like you’re losing for all Muslims.
Voting against that? To many, that’s like saying God’s side lost. And no one wants to be that guy.
TL;DR:
Muslims often won’t vote against Muslim positions in debate because:
- Their religion is fused with identity and honor
- They live in a tight moral culture where group loyalty > individual judgment
- Debate is not just argument — it’s spiritual warfare
- Publicly conceding is seen as giving ammunition to disbelievers
- Because of this inability to remain honest, unbiased and in general ethical people, all Muslims should be banned from the site
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@Allah
more violence in poor black communities than in white ones
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@Allah
there are more poor white people than blacks in the united states and you really don't see the subhuman animalistic tendencies as often in those communities
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@IlDiavolo
We're not dealing with rational actors here which is your core assumption. Let’s cut the crap. Most of these meltdowns aren’t because of some real offense that was taken. It's manufactured moral outrage used to justify behavior that people already wanted to unleash, whether its for cultural reasons or because of a smaller prefrontal cortex. It’s an excuse to throw hands because these are the equivalent of mental children. Half of these assholes wouldn’t defend their own mothers with that kind of passion, but say "Nigger" and its go time
If this was really about historical trauma, you'd see the same pattern across other groups. You can say absolutely vile shit to an Armenian, a Jew, a Cambodian — people whose families were actually genocided and most of them won’t start swinging. They’ll call you a piece of shit, shame you publicly, cancel your sneaker deal and pull your video off of youtube but they don’t lose control. Why? Because their identity isn’t wrapped up in childish over reaction. They don’t glorify emotional breakdowns as power.
And here's the cultural elephant nobody wants to name: there’s a hillbilly honor culture running through parts of the Black community — same thing that used to run wild in poor white communities. Quick to fight, quick to escalate, obsessed with “respect.” It wrecked white communities too until social pressure and self-policing forced it into check. But now it’s celebrated in black communities and mistaken for black culture and promoted within left leaning white communities. It's even monetized. I blame Tupac personally for a lot of this glorification of hillbilly culture. You see it in music, media, and yeah, YouTube beatdown compilations. It’s not necessarily a race thing given its origin in white society. It’s a cultural pathology, and it gets rewarded because of internalized white liberal racism that infantalizes black people.
You're not wrong that violence over words is stupid. But if you think all these beatdowns are sincere emotional reactions instead of cosplay rage masked as righteous fury, you're watching the surface, not what is going on beneath the surface.
Also if this stuff keeps showing up in your feed, maybe rethink what you're clicking on. YouTube pushes what you feed it. Try watching content that doesn’t rot your brain or train you to confuse low-IQ violence with moral justice. also important to remember is the systematic things we can do to rid the community of hillbilly culture which is things we saw with white culture. punish hillbilly culture and shame it, start rewarding those who deviate from it etc. Also maybe encourage habits that strengthen the small prefrontal cortex so their behaviors can be more in line with what is needed to live in an advanced society.
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debate it on things it is forced to agree with and it won't concede. tell it gypsies are genetically inferior and then don't let up on the debate
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About to shut off my internet access for 24 hours because I have to cram for something. This is like 2 hours away will check in then somebody make your case.
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@Casey_Risk
If you want me to vote ceru than explain why . Explain to me like I am both an idiot and a person who can not quite keep up with the game and who is completely lost and unsure of what is happening
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@Mharman
I am willing to sheep lunatic for a while. It went well last dp
unvote vtl ref
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@Mikal
Nice. Getting there
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@TheMorningsStar
There is a new site being launched soon if this one collapses and this is a holding place for it. Mikal seems to be leading this initiative or he is the personality the move is organizing around. I think this will launch regardless of what happens here because the downfall here is inevitable https://discord.gg/EaCpE8H5
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@Casey_Risk
I don't think this is a scumtell coming from Banana specifically. It's consistent with her personality. She tends to be very strongly opinionated and isn't swayed easily.
Seeing her in live play makes me realize how sharp she is also. So the statement feels off.
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Banana post 80
He happened to be right about vader but I think it was more luck than actual logic.
I told you guys about this before. This is a scum mental trait where it's tempting to think the town lucked into everything. I wasn't confident in the lynch myself but notice how I just stated that I was wrong. I don't need that cope because I am town.
Anna shouldn't be pussy about Vader being lynched if she's town just lynch
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