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@rosends
Because you are starting with your conclusion. That's a logical error.If you haven't found anything contradicting, then, no, you didn't read them.
I read the Jewish laws you pointed me to and here is the understanding I came away with
1. Abortion to save a mothers life is okay
2. Abortion to prevent health consequences to the mother like blindness or any serious health consequence really is fine
3. abortion because the baby will end up very unhealthy is fine, though there was a bit of pilpul of somebody claiming a doctor cannot be 100% accurate at analyzing that, but it was silly because nobody can expect perfection.
Other things that I came across in those writings seem to differentiate between a fetus and a human life, but ultimately it doesn't matter because the abortion bans make the same exact exceptions as the Jewish law you showed me.
There was various punishments listed for abortion, but this has nothing to do with the act of banning only the punishments associated with the bans. Some punishments included fines for killing a fetus without harming the mother and other punishments called for death. The laws I read seem to make sense, it includes fines for lesser offenses and capital punishment in situations that make sense.
As far as American law is concerned I also believe women should get slaps on the wrist if they violate abortion bans. So me and Judaism agree, probably because I am spiritually Jewish. I wouldn't punish women much if at all for abortion despite being for banning it, and I think most law makers agree. The bulk of the punishment should be towards doctors, but only when they clearly flaunt the law and not with edge cases or cases that fall in a legal grey area. We don't want to punish people for doing their job to the best of their ability
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@Lunatic
Did you not see savant is bluffing? He literally has 2 votes but placed one on himself. He feels like he is just taking austins advise of projecting extreme confidence.
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@TheUnderdog
This is Pyongyang North Korea
so is this
so is this
So a universal jobs guarantee?
Um no, you are back to thinking like a girl. Just an economy where people can work if they want to but maybe not if they can't prevent themselves from being a shit employee
The stock market has been going up under Trump and Biden by comparable amounts per year.
As nice as it is that Boomers have a bigger portfolio, some of us would like to be able to pay rent and buy food, like we could do with Trump in office.
iden is more moderate than Trump, although moderate is a subjective term. In Canada, moderate there is far left here.
Maybe before he became a empty husk and became beholden to leftist interests.
Biden is not doing runaway leftism; Trump on the other hand seems to be doing runaway rightism; with things like Project 2025.
I have literally linked you to the project 2025 web page. It is a heritage foundation project which has policy proposals like creating American Energy dominance which can be found in chapter 12 in their playbook. The literally publicly list the playbook they are using here https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf
There is not a single page in their 920 page playbook that says they want to ban porn. Trump implemented 75% of their policies in 2016, and you just didn't see crazy shit like porn bans. You got suckered by somebody into believing it when you can literally read their plaaybook I linked and here are their contacts to personally ask them if they want to do shit like ban porn.
You can also e-mail them at [email protected]
They have been very responsive but I am ineligible to help them personally because I disagree with them on to many issue, though I applied
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@rosends
The site you listed for exceptions seems like it is liars. For example they state a health of the mother exception does not list health of the mother but a reading of the bill shows the following phrase
"reasonable medical judgment,"
So a reasonable medical judgement that the mothers life or health is in danger or that the baby will be retarded or something will allow the doctor to abort. No jury in the world is convicting a doctor based on some bullshit weird interpretation of the law that a prosecutor states. The site also mentions that ban exceptions often not able to be implemented in the real world, but literally gave zero examples
You don't know the law if that's what you think it says. It is better to accept that you don't know the law and ask questions than to decide that, based on your ignorance, you have an opinion.
I do know it because somebody tried to tell me that abortion bans would prevent life saving treatments and pointed me to an article with abortions banned without exception and then I would click on the link and read the wording of the bills and they would literally list exceptions.
No, it isn't a secret. It is a set of laws that is different from the secular ones. You keep trying to load the word "murder" in this to try and make one side look more "good" but that's wrong.
I feel like it would be unethical to call it anything other than murder. It literally is murder, how would you feel if I called the holocaust "jewish reductionism act" instead of using the most straightforward language of genocide?
I read through your link and all of that is consistent with abortion bans that make exceptions for health and life. I haven't found any of those writings to contradict them
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@JoeBob
If you are leaving just vote for somebody before you go. Anybody but preferably savant
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@TheUnderdog
Every state has some shitholes,, whether it's a hood or a trailer park.
Okay, but this is like saying North Korea is a nice place to live because all countries have some political corruption.
Use logic bro
"feminine style of thinking" is code for, "democrat voting", then I can say the same thing about "black style of thinking
Black men have been feminized due to a lot of liberal programming but they are waking up from it, which is why they are voting for more right wing candidates than in years prior.
Essentially feminine thinking leans on empathy and is incapable of logic. For example a female would solve homelessness with homeless shelters and soup kitchens, while a masculine thinker would create economic policies to allow holding jobs, acquiring jobs and having affordable housing is prioritized.
You can see this with how Trumps policies created economic prosperity between 2016 and 2020 and see how we are all struggling to pay bills after 2020.
It's actually a difference of what works and what feels good to do.
I try to be. This means some of my beliefs are on the left and others are on the right.
WELL, you are literally choosing between a leftist and a moderate and choosing the leftist so I am not sure what good half of your positions being on the left are, if you are voting for a country that goes to the left at high speed instead of the side that keeps both sides competitive.
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@rosends
If the secular law say 6 weeks, but Jewish law says 3 months,
In states that ban abortions it is up until the point of birth
Second, what is considered a threat to the mother?
If avoiding the abortion could cause death or serious health issues as determined between her and her doctor
What about a case of financial impact where the mother's economic future is ruined?
No we don't allow mothers to kill children just because they need foodstamps and welfare to support them
Or where there is an issue of mental trauma to worry about?
I guess it depends on what you mean. If you mean the mother experiences the normal stress everyone does from giving birth than no we won't allow them to murder a child due to that LOL
Jewish law has loads of cases but what matters is that Jewish law assesses each one on a case by case basis, applying different subtle interpretations of the law based on investigating specifics of each case. No secular legal policy-line can accommodate that.
It sounds like bullshit. You have the law of Moses as well and it says though shalt not murder. You know that murdering babies is wrong unless there is a serious health consequence and giving birth being a bit stressful is not the type of health consequence we are discussing.
Either there is a secret blood libel thing that means you need to do your pilpul to legalize murdering babies here or you actually believe in the God of Abraham and know murder is bad.
Why not explain to me a case that could potentially fall outside of abortion bans that allow for exceptions due to health complications for the mother or baby as determined by them or their doctor (by the way they can choose a Jewish doctor if they need a more lenient definition of health).
I don't really get all the pilpul to justify murder
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As many of you know, July is white history month https://youtube.com/shorts/2HEgwqFMEDY?si=uLILktVXdN309Gi8⁰
July is quickly approaching and we as a community need to do something for our white members. Maybe we host a whites only debate tournament. I am open for auggestions
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@Casey_Risk
we just need to murder him as hard as we can as a lesson anyone. He stole a vote without scum reading the person he stole it from.and just for confirmation. If he is town there may have been a time to steal a vote of non scum if it prevented your own lynch or prevented the lynch of somebody you town read, but it's not good.
I remembernone time I did a similar thing as town. I was town but it was a commonly scummy role. I could silence a person. I remember drafterman scum read me so I silenced him to prove my role. I was insta lynched and while silent he still led my lynch.
Savant whether scum or town aligned needs to take his medicine.
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@rosends
We define it in our abortion laws as any legitimate potential risk to the health or safety of the mother
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@rosends
Okay give me the jewish definition of risk to the mother
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@TheUnderdog
California is feasibly going to be won only by democrats for the foreseeable future. The people of California can eat just fine. Same with DC.
California is a shit hole. They have ridiculous housing prices, high crime particularly from Gangs and areas like skid row, which just don't exist in republican areas. You really have to bend over backwards to defend being a voter who is inclined to feminine styles of thinking . Just be logical bro
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@TheUnderdog
So is your claim that Venezuelas abortion policies are why they can't afford to eat?
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@TheUnderdog
Even in states like California, NY, TX, and WY, they are not one party states because other politicians from the minority party are allowed to run and debate the majority party.
So only one party can win but it is not a one party situation. LoL okay
Then find a way to become competitive again. Let’s say there are 2 companies; Company A and Company B. They both sell sneakers and more and more people prefer company A. What does company B have to do to set at competitive to company A? They have to adapt to the new market.
You are literally watching democrats lock up opponents, censor free speech (until musk stepped in) and manipulate the public conscious through almost monopoly control of the media, and you think that's how it will play out?
No they have captured, media, education, social media, the state apparatus and the courts, and have show they are willing to use it for unfair gains but as soon as they have zero accountability than they will do the right thing and bot do what leftists have Done throughout history. Okay buddy
We have had elections with Reagan and FDR that were blowout elections. What did the losing party do? They modified their strategy.
FdR came very close to becoming a dictator . I wouldn't use that example. It's why medley butler was sent to stop him but turned on the liberators. Fortunately smedley butler being a traitor did bring light to a real resistance and FDR opted out of becoming dictator.
I would assume you wouldn’t mind voting for a Pro Israel democrat (the right loves Pro Israel democrats like John Fettermann
John Fetterman seems to be calling out some of the stupidity on the left like open border policies and complete gun bans. This type of Democrat will no longer exist and will be pushed out of the party if Trump loses.
You are right that when the left has a massive majority they may split but I is unlikely or if they do split than the focus will be on superficial issues while there is agreement on policies that harm us.
The choice is simple this election cycle. You either want to turn America into Venezuela or you want to make America great again
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@ILikePie5
If all you experienced people could back me up on this. Cause the noobs go whichever way the wind blows.
I would just tell him what he wants to hear. We all have short memories here
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@Savant
I will shoot pie if you self vote and turn out to be town
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@ILikePie5
Go, on daddy's calling. After you lynch me, just remember to lynch Pie who is apparently "100% sure" I'm scum.
If you are town then it doesn't make pie scum. Don't be a silly bily
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@ILikePie5
Responding to the post where you do vote savant.
That logic is actually phenomenol. Thanks for doing the work for me. It's very unlikely he is town
unvote VTL Savant
That logic is actually phenomenol. Thanks for doing the work for me. It's very unlikely he is town
unvote VTL Savant
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@Savant
After I told everyone to lynch Pie if I am town, he didn't vote for me, despite the fact that he claims to be 100% sure I am scum. Interesting.
He is probably building a case and going to vote after he presents it. Like I did with Austin last game before everyone gas lit my opinion and then gave you credit for lynching him after he made a scum slip
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@ILikePie5
You can answer if there was a 5th vote or not lol. The rest was directed to Wylted
I think I will clarify some stuff this dp, but not at the moment
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@Earth
You are assuming you would be able to rally town to lynch that person in the first place. Take off my vote. If town wants my claim, it should be town and not just you.
I don't need it
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@Savant
If someone hammers you today, we'll lynch them tomorrow.
It doesn't work like that. What if the person who hammered him is town
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@TheUnderdog
Like
, it's called common sense and not being a partisan hack.
Aren't you voting for biden in an election where if the democrats win you will see America become a one party state like Venezuela or North Korea?
Sure it may take a generation or 2 to get to that level but honestly the republican party will never be competitive again if Trump loses, meaning what you see with one party rule in Chicago is going to be on a national scale
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It's not a sport. People are dying. Don't root for anybody.
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@Savant
Ok, then what is the purpose of Barney's role if there is a vote thief? Makes it literally negative utilityAnd why would I assume the role would confirm me as town if I was scum?
Atleast one of his friends who reviewed the Game said it was scum sided. So.maybe Austin just made a scum sided game. We won't know anything about how the roles interact until we see all the flips. It's why I try to lean heavier on behavior than anything else.
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Also I think it was an X shot most of the times I have seen it. Legit never saw it as a town role. It doesn't mean it's not. You feel towny but that is my experience
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@Savant
Yes that is the most common version I have seen. The difference is I haven't seen the condition where it could not be used at mylo. Previously if we suspected that scum had a vote thief we would just try to get online and get them lynched as fast as possible before they could use it
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@Savant
I have played in a lot of games and I have only ever seen it as a scum role. You are using some sort of logic here but my experience suggests otherwise. Personally I would use it to balance something like popular or lynch proof. Admittedly my games are not that great though.
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@Savant
That's possible, but I still think if he was town he would put more thought into a lynch than that.
If it was me I would be pretty pissed and gunning for your lynch even if I thought you were town, on principle alone. I would however merely pretend I scum read you to cover for the anger
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@Savant
Is Pie usually this inactive? Like if he's town, why has he not responded to any of my points about my role? Why did he push me hard and then disappear when there wasn't pressure on him?
From my stalking he crosses me as a recent grad trying to get into a highly competitive industry while his family simultaneously leans on him.hard to help run the family business. He may be busy
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@Savant
Earth also seems to be ignoring everything I said about my role, but I just have less of a feel overall about him. Getting Pie's role seems like a low-risk move since he's going to "reveal" it tomorrow anyway.
You stole his vote. It might annoy him
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@Moozer325
That's what I got. I want to town read everyone but luna and joebob are absent and I honestly think joebobs interactions are worse than lunatics at the momwnt
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Honestly I only want to vote savant due to role l. Behaviorally he feels town to me. I am scared to say that because I don't want to be embarrassed later but I guess my real POE pool is joebob lunatic and pie. Pie I would also feel uncomfortable lynching because when he is scum usually it is more obvious to me
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@Moozer325
I honestly forget why it's not a town read but we have overlap with lunatic. Maybe it could be what we look at next.
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@Savant
Here is what I am thinking
1. Wylted town
2. Barney town
3. Savant
4. Pie
5. Joebob
6. Casey town
7. Moozer town
8. Lunatic
9. Earth. Town
This leaves 4 in the POE and I feel good about pie so joebob lunatic and savant.
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@Earth
It looks like it is going to go that way but my only hang up is that if he was scum, wouldn't he assume the role is scummy and not claim it?
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It's sad that I have to continually reassure him that it is okay to be straight thanks to teachers who I assume are either predators or are loony leftists fully intent to indoctrinate children.
I mean they get paid like $12 an hour or some shit. They aren't doing it for the money, so what is their motives? Is it predatory for sexual reasons or for ideological reasons?
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I might be a bit unhinged. Just watched my 8 year old make a profile on Lego switch named he/her and then customize a female character with a beard.
I was like
"Did they teach you this shit in school"?
He goes no
I ask "where did you learn it"
He is like "I just know stuff dad"
I ask "what do you know"
He says nothing I just thing it's funny.
I go "yeah it is"
I am always on edge that the school is teaching him to be gay or something but also encourage his gaming interests so he stays in gaming communities, since it is literally the only place you can find based zoomers.
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If savant is scum let's give him until next dp and find his scum buddy
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@Savant
Sometimes I think it's best to trust each other even when it makes no sense yet
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Even if we get desperate for a lynch and we really need his vote just keep it on me .
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@Savant
Please place his vote on me so everyone only has one vote.
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@Savant
Are you in complete control of earth's vote right now?
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"Don't be a fag"
That's a direct quote from L Ron Hubbard..
I sure do wonder why you hate religion
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That's Christianity and Judaism
Here is a Quran verse
Don't be a faggot. It might us be in the Vedas
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