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@AustinL0926
# Effort
Pie uses different language when town vs scum. He also seems less invested in the game as scum.
This post https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10649-indie-games-mafia-%5Bdp1%5D?page=1&post_number=22
Pie tags everyone he can and tries to get some pressure going. Already likely too much effort to really qualify him as scum.
don't confuse him arguing with RM last game as effort either it takes very little effort to point out that RM is a jack ass. It's actually a bit fun to do.
He just doesn't try as hard as scum.
# Breaking up reads/Fluff
Pie wants to appear active as scum and struggles to make up bullshit reasons for his reads so he generates activity by breaking up reads. Here is how he broke up reads last game and it is completely missing from this game.
Scum game accuses somebody of WIFOM to break up a read. Breaking up a read simulates effort to find scum and is one of the lesser known scum behaviors. He also spends a lot of time with similar behavior criticizing his RM's vote on 7k and then criticizing 7k for not responding to RVS . Stuff that really isn't scum hunting but kinda attempts to look like it.
# Overly Kind
Pie is uncomfortable with confrontation but this slips when he is passionate about something such as catching scum. Notice he is more antagonistic towards those who disagree with his reads this game, and in the last game he was being overly friendly.
as Scum
Kindly points out an odd behavior instead of attacking for it
A few lines later friendly welcomes Austin instead of a neutral welcome
Later on the same page makes a polite request and fully spells out the word please. Notice his politeness and grammar both improve as scum.
Calls GP a bestie but doesn't buddy him in current game
Another polite request from somebody who is typically a dick
# Pie wants to be caught
The whole time as scum pie is hinting that he is scum and knows for a fact RM is scum. Notice that in current game he scum read 7k but did not claim to know for a fact he was scum or hint at other inside knowledge.
There are many examples of confessions of being scum the last game especially in DP2 but here is one in DP1 that is funny. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10597-wylted-mafia-dp1?page=3&post_number=82
A lot of the stuff I can not put into words that I am picking up on but he is definitely town.
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@AustinL0926
almost home. want to hear ur reads on pie. also skeptical ab vtl joe, maybe if only choice.
Pie is town. This is definitely true. Let me see if I can articulate why.
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Post 421 is apparently trolling and disingenuous but my main point still stands
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@Best.Korea
@AustinL0926
This is for BK but Austin should pay attention as well
Does it bother you at all that Joe hammered without explanation DP1 and that GP has randomly decided he is cool lynching you?
So here is th votes we can get to lynch you
1. Me
2. Pie
3. Joe
4. Gp
5. Bullish
We also have the fact that scum doesn't need to lead lynches. They can just step back, let other people lead lynches and then just side with them members of town who are wrong and who have the influence to drive a lynch.
It isn't raising any alarm bells that people who have not stated reasoning to vote you want to vote you. What bothers you is the people who have stated they have behavioral reads not the ones who are just Yoloing your lynch lynch.
Let's assume you are town. You have put on blinders and went after people not because you actually have any real behavioral tells like being opportunistic and pledging their support for your wagon but you are instead just going after people that have most strongly advocated against you.
Town will often be wrong. It isn't and indicator of scumminess.
I can tell you you have no reason to town read Joe. I think we can still get a lynch on Joe. However you have made it harder to get a lynchbon somebody you have no reason to believe is town and madenit easier to lynch the person who you know is 100% town (you).
I refuse to lynch my town reads which is reasonable. Incant lynch pue or Austin right now. However you are refusing to lynch somebody who is at best null to you.
So if joebob is willing t vote you and you are not willing to lynch joebob and we have me bullish and pie willing to make a group decision where we all agree on th lynch. Who does it make it easier to lynch? Are you easier to lunch or is joebob?
It's a tough pill to swallow but I am not being lynched today. Joebob literally town read me and so did bullish so it would be too suspicious for those 2 people to jump on my bandwagon. Pie is not getting lynched because GP town reads him and it would look too opportunistic to target him so you gain joebobs vote on him but lose GPs.
Everyone town reads Austin so he is not an option. The only 2 lynched that can possibly go through are you and joebob and you are not supporting the joebob lynch . A null read because there is no way in hell you behaviorally read him as town.
You have painted town in this odd corner where if you are town you have made it harder for town to lynch your null read and easier for it to lynch your town read.
Take the blinders off and stop being silly. I think Joe Bob will end up being the lynch but if Austin refuses to pull th trigger on that, we will obviously be forced to lync you
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Votes
1. Ilikepie
2. Ramshutu
1. Invasion of Poland
2. Derek Chauvin
1. Banningnof IWRA
2. MEEP
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Except we can't know if no NK is a gambit until the claimed doctor is dead
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@FishChaser
It is generally harmful just like homosexuality. Just because some people want to get diseases through anal sex doesn't mean that homosexuality isn't generally harmful
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@Best.Korea
We can have this show, you can go after me to lynch me, but then after that it puts you at 3 - 2 and you wont have a clue who scum is, so town almost certainly loses in dp3.
The scum pool is extremely narrow so this makes no sense.
Pie is definitely town. Austin is probably town I am definitely town. I will probably move bullish or GP into my town pool of they keep talking. Scum will likely kill somebody in my scum pool or somebody anti town. It seems like a pretty easy win
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@AustinL0926
So you would be willing to lynch Joe but prefer pie.
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@AustinL0926
omw home rn. typing on phone. dont lynch bk
Why are you continually on this bullshit. Even if BK is town if he makes it to lylo town loses
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@ILikePie5
It sounds like GP is willing to lynch BK
Like Austin would be down for joebob
And that bullish would be down for BK and joebob
So I think either way we have 4 votes to Lyn who we want
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@FishChaser
Are you ok with legalizing murder because some people who get murdered wanted to kill themselves?
We are examining your logic here. You said pedophilia is different than homosexuality based on the fact some children are raped by pedophiles. I am the one against all forms of degeneracy even consensual degeneracy or degeneracy that doesn't harm the individuals involved. You claim you are homosexual or pro homosexual because it harms nobody.
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@FishChaser
I highly doubt that being raped makes people happier
Not all pedophilia is rape and many pedophiles have had their attorneys in court pull up experts who testify that the victim is often better off psychologically for being molested.
So do you support pedophilia or are you ready to admit that some forms of perversion should be outlawed on moral grounds?
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If you are willing to go to war for someone, then you are inferior to them",
This is about superiority not inferiority. Don't make this ugly.
then I guess soldiers are inferior to homeless people who aren't in war
You don't understand. Most homeless people are men and the point is that men are more disposable than women.
Women and men both work in the workforce at comparable amounts
Not really. There is a reason why the wage gap exists. Men and women typically are going to make the same hourly rate in the same job. However male lawyers for exa.ple will often work 100 hour weeks to climb to the top of the food chain. Neglect family and any life outside of work . While women usually bring a bit more balance to life.
I can also tell you that women shouldn't have to work if they don't want to. Men should have to work whether they want to or not.
being a stay at home Mom doesn't make you superior to your husband who works.
No; being a woman does.
But with this logic, I would argue men are more capable and therefore are superior.
More capable wouldn't make you superior. Be as capable as you want, you still aren't getting off the Titanic with a life preserver.
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@Greyparrot
The chuck cheese characters are animated because they are filled with the souls of dead children and they eat and kill other children so they have friend to play with
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I knew he would refuse to swear to Argentina's Savior. That is what we call a confession
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@Greyparrot
Just swear on Javier Milei's life that you are town. It will be good enough for me.
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He is literally a liability if he is town though so still open to lynching this is absurd.
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@ILikePie5
I am starting to think he is just dumb town. I am down for joebon
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Pie was already wrong 2 times in a row, and I dont think Bullish is exactly reliable.
WtF does this mean?
Who cares. The game us about narrowing your scum pool and slowly tightening the noose. It isn't about accurate lynches as much is it is about shrinking your scum pool so in the endgame your team wins.
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@Best.Korea
So my scum pool is now B.K., Joe and GP
Want to lock in your scum pool and see whose is more accurate?
The thing is I am starting to think you are just bad town and I am tempted to just say my scum pool is joe, GP and bullish.
So yes we go with the 2nd scum pool. Go ahead and give me 3 people and I will be bringing up how stupid your guesses are in the end game.
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Fucking asshole.
unvote
i know the scum team now but I don't feel like dealing with the bullshit of solidifying my reads. Town fucking sucks this game
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@Best.Korea
I literally listed them, but you and pie are more eager than any of them.
We are also both emotionally immature and impatient so maybe use your brain.
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@Best.Korea
Option 1. If I am doctor and you lynch me, you certainly kill at least 2 town players because scum will take out another town and I cant protect.
That's your own fault then for not being willing to vote somebody other than me or pie. Joebob is fine as a lynch. He int my top choice either but you want to be stubborn so if it is a mislynch it is your own fault.
If you lynch Wylted, you possibly kill scum and I die anyway by scum.
That isn't happening. Every experienced player in the game town reads me and that is for a reason.
Scum would have to be extremely bad to actually not kill doctor.
Not really. They know you have me pie and bullish in your scum list so it's pretty easy to predict who you will protect and since there is likely a power role between bullish and pie they don't need to worry about you yet.
If bullish is town and I was scum I would just take out pie and since your reads are so off I would definitely try to keep you in the game as long as I can predict who you would protect
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@Best.Korea
Here you go. Post 93 and Pie a few posts after agrees with me that you re are scummy
So if that was a trap it failed. Or you failed to analyze the results of your trap correctly. 2 people had you in their scum pile dp1. Those 2 people remained consistent and this was your trap?
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@Best.Korea
Same case applies if someone else who can confirm his role doesnt vote me, because then only 3 town players at max would vote me.
It's not the same case because you are either scum or anti town while joebob is either scum or protown.
There is a completely different calculus here.
If I am lynched and turn town as I will, what do you think who is the next obvious target?
The scum pool will be pretty small. So either bullish or GP most likely unless something changes. Joebob is still a target and hey if one of them is NKed it makes it even easier.
Its interesting how all I had to do to find scum was set bait for them to attack, and only scum would think that we should lynch doctor who wasnt cc by anyone
On DP1. Early in Dp1 I stated that it is going to be atleast 1 scum between you and 7k. Pue also was leaning scum on you dp1 . So if you set bait to see who would be willing to lynch you and it is literally the same people who scum read you DP1. Well then how well did that trap work?
Your focus here makes no sense. Here is why. If that was an actual trap than joebob and Bullish should be the ones you perceive as caught in it based on the fact neither mentioned scum reading you DP 1
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@Best.Korea
1. I wont lynch him2. He wont lynch himself
Okay you raise a good point.
unvote VTL best.korea
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Maybe we should lynch joebob and if BK is town just let the scum team handle him. I know GP and Bullish are definitely off the table and there may be some utility in seeing if best korea survives although I wouldn't dismiss BK as scum opting out of an NK in some attempt to prove his role
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We know 2 players that are definitely town due to flips. It might be worth it to look at their interactions last DP. Anyone standoffish with 7k should be suspicious.
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Other than best korea my scum list is mostly just POE though. Which usually means I am playing well. I usually am playing poorly when I lynch through POE rather than scum reads
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@Best.Korea
The scum pool for me is very narrow though and the rest of the game sees procedural. The only think that has stopped me from going full steam ahead with you is the thought there could potentially be 3 scum.
If we have 2 scum it I between you GP and Bullish.
I dont think it bodes well for you that your scum list has 2 definite town in it at the very least.
I mean I could be wrong on a town read. Joebob is probably closer to null than town. I keep flipping my opinion on bullish.
Austin could just be scum playing well. Pie is not good enough as scum to trick me so he is definitely town. I am pretty sure as long as I agree to zero lynches outside of my scum pool and I last in the game than we should be good.
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I actually think I would prefer a no lynch over voting bullish for now.
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@Best.Korea
Be honest. Is the read on me and Pie just OMGUS
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@Best.Korea
Well you are scum read enough that perhaps if nobody lynched you and you are town you are seen as a mislynch so they may target elsewhere.
We have to collectively agree to some sort of action that will likely not be the first choice of most of the people agreeing
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@Best.Korea
I gave an ideal so we can coalesce around somebody. Let's all listb3 people we are willing to lynch. I go first.
1. Bk
2. Gp
3. Bullish
1. Bk
2. Gp
3. Bullish
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I won't be able to handle it if korea is town. To have both him an Austin as useless just handicaps us too much against the scum team
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If PR role was even mentioned in his PM he I probably that role that makes active roles stronger or something. I forget what it is called. Something like enabler
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I feel like I always have a good bead on pie after 3 or 4 posts. I am confident enough in the read to lose the game based on that read if it is me pie and literally anyone else at LYLO
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I know. Elliot Roger's got really ferocious and brave and died for what he believed in.
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@FishChaser
Pedophilia is wrong because it is inherently harmful, homosexuality is not wrong because it is not inherently harmful.
What if there was a study showing victims of pedophilia had better long term happiness than those who are not molested?
Does it make it alright then ir are the societal impacts what is important and the inherent degeneracy the real problem
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@AustinL0926
There are people who are unclaimed that is weak
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If he was watched visiting bullish or some shit like that. It proves nothing and I wouldcrather you keep it to yourself
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@AustinL0926
He has 4 votes you might as well claim if it will prevent a mislynch. Joebob me pie and Bullish ste down
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