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@Greyparrot
My updated list corrects everything he got wrong.
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Here is mine
Capitalism - good
Communism - bad
Abortion - bad
Religion - good
Gay - BAD
Trans surgery - BAD
Trump - good
Biden - bad
Russia - GOOD
Israel - GOOD
Ukraine - GOOD
Child marriage - GOOD
Veganism - bad
Vegetarianism - good
Porn - bad
Smoking - bad
Drugs - bad
Guns - GOOD
Accepting migrants - BAD
Government healthcare - bad
I bolded the ones where our opinions differ
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Wrong. A good moral code is one that when implemented makes you less of a pussy. No pain no gain. HG
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@Amber
I think it's essentially a modern remake of ladybugs. I haven't seen it either. I am currently watching a documentary series called the program which is painful to watch.
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@RationalMadman
Is there a reason why you are being a dick to Benjamin who is just trying to have fun?
Do you just get your dick hard making unprovoked attacks against people?
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@Stephen
I am curious. If you can recommend me a book or some resource to figure this out on my own. I still have a credit on audible if I need it.
I will say i have been already looking at some stuff on my own but any help would be appreciated
have a good weekend
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@Stephen
So if we are to take this story as an actual literal event, then Jesus, son of god, who is also believed to be god, got it totally wrong didn't he, Wylted?
I am just looking for the intent of the story. Is it intended to be literal or not and if it is supposed to be figurative wouldn't it have more colorful tone? If they say he got it wrong either they are bad writers or they are honest writers and just aren't realizing this disqualifies Jesus as being omniscient.
Unless of course, it is as I have explained: that is was a ritualistic "raising" from the dead. And the disciples wished to "die" with him so they might be "raised" too.
I am just asking you why it doesn't just come out and say it is a ritualistic raising from the dead. Most people when they read stories are going to take them literally unless there is a reason not to, so I am wondering why it wouldn't be the case here. I don't doubt we can pull some sort of allegory from the story. I think the most common theistic interpretation of these events is that they actually happened so we could pull an allegory out of them. although the take from this one by most people is that it is merely Jesus trying to show off his magical powers to prove he is God.
The biggest takeaway I would like you to help me here with is, maybe answering why an allegory wouldn't be more clearly an allegory or stated to be such?
I have personally dabbled in the occult through gnosticism, mysticism and satanism. I have no issues pulling allegories out of things. Most of the things I have read with that intention have pretty clearly had that intention and was up front about it. I am just wondering why the gospels would be uniquely different or I guess maybe in the world view of a mythicist, why wouldn't the Pauline texts and John be more clear about being allegories?
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@zedvictor4
In Tim you will
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@Stephen
I assume it i due protecting jesus from enemies when he plans to head to hostile territory.
I have went to jesusneverexisted.com because I believe that is likely where your argument is inspired. So I was reading what the site says about lazarus but it's not coming up other than briefly and the theory isn't talked about once but I will revisit the site index and see if I am overlooking anything.
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@Mharman
Unless I give up on the project or fail.
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Also you post a lot about movies. When are you going to get to your Lady Ballers review?
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It was Lyndon Johnson who is known to have told his campaign staff they must be willing to do ANYTHING to win the presidency.
Tell me the documentary says Johnson otherwise i am not sure I should waste my time.
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I personally send trump $50 a month. He can't focus on saving America if he has to pick up a job washing dishes to pay legal expenses.
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@Mharman
I will explain when it is finished.
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I am happy you found a vibe you can be proud of having.
If it makes you happy to be a dick that reflects more on you than me. You being a dick to me in this thread was entirely unprovoked .
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@RationalMadman
It's the same vibe. It is you being mean to me for no discernable reason. It doesn't matter what I do you will find a way to use that action to attack my character. Here it is me engaging with Stephen in a way that is unusual for this section of the forum. In a way where I invite him to share an interesting take he has on Christianity instead of me atta king him or his beliefs.
I notice that you haven't insulted his character and he began conversation diverting from the main topic of this thread and I am merely reciprocating.
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@RationalMadman
Stop being pedantic. You insist you get laid but you act like a 12 year old tattle tale that annoys the teachers.
I literally wrote the COC and derailing threads was not something I put in there.
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@FLRW
I thought you supporting increasing the size and scope of government. Am I mistaken?
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It seems to even mention the smell of death and the body being in a grave and his face wrapped like a mummy. I am not sure what type of occult symbolism this would be.
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Here is the verses if you don't feel like clicking on the link
11 Now a man named Lazarus was sick. He was from Bethany, the village of Mary and her sister Martha. 2 (This Mary, whose brother Lazarus now lay sick, was the same one who poured perfume on the Lord and wiped his feet with her hair.) 3 So the sisters sent word to Jesus, “Lord, the one you love is sick.”
4 When he heard this, Jesus said, “This sickness will not end in death. No, it is for God’s glory so that God’s Son may be glorified through it.” 5 Now Jesus loved Martha and her sister and Lazarus. 6 So when he heard that Lazarus was sick, he stayed where he was two more days, 7 and then he said to his disciples, “Let us go back to Judea.”
8 “But Rabbi,” they said, “a short while ago the Jews there tried to stone you, and yet you are going back?”
9 Jesus answered, “Are there not twelve hours of daylight? Anyone who walks in the daytime will not stumble, for they see by this world’s light. 10 It is when a person walks at night that they stumble, for they have no light.”
11 After he had said this, he went on to tell them, “Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep; but I am going there to wake him up.”
12 His disciples replied, “Lord, if he sleeps, he will get better.” 13 Jesus had been speaking of his death, but his disciples thought he meant natural sleep.
14 So then he told them plainly, “Lazarus is dead, 15 and for your sake I am glad I was not there, so that you may believe. But let us go to him.”
16 Then Thomas (also known as Didymus[a]) said to the rest of the disciples, “Let us also go, that we may die with him.”
Jesus Comforts the Sisters of Lazarus
17 On his arrival, Jesus found that Lazarus had already been in the tomb for four days. 18 Now Bethany was less than two miles[b] from Jerusalem, 19 and many Jews had come to Martha and Mary to comfort them in the loss of their brother. 20 When Martha heard that Jesus was coming, she went out to meet him, but Mary stayed at home.
21 “Lord,” Martha said to Jesus, “if you had been here, my brother would not have died. 22 But I know that even now God will give you whatever you ask.”
23 Jesus said to her, “Your brother will rise again.”
24 Martha answered, “I know he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”
25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; 26 and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?”
27 “Yes, Lord,” she replied, “I believe that you are the Messiah, the Son of God, who is to come into the world.”
28 After she had said this, she went back and called her sister Mary aside. “The Teacher is here,” she said, “and is asking for you.” 29 When Mary heard this, she got up quickly and went to him. 30 Now Jesus had not yet entered the village, but was still at the place where Martha had met him. 31 When the Jews who had been with Mary in the house, comforting her, noticed how quickly she got up and went out, they followed her, supposing she was going to the tomb to mourn there.
32 When Mary reached the place where Jesus was and saw him, she fell at his feet and said, “Lord, if you had been here, my brother would not have died.”
33 When Jesus saw her weeping, and the Jews who had come along with her also weeping, he was deeply moved in spirit and troubled. 34 “Where have you laid him?” he asked.
“Come and see, Lord,” they replied.
35 Jesus wept.
36 Then the Jews said, “See how he loved him!”
37 But some of them said, “Could not he who opened the eyes of the blind man have kept this man from dying?”
Jesus Raises Lazarus From the Dead
38 Jesus, once more deeply moved, came to the tomb. It was a cave with a stone laid across the entrance. 39 “Take away the stone,” he said.
“But, Lord,” said Martha, the sister of the dead man, “by this time there is a bad odor, for he has been there four days.”
40 Then Jesus said, “Did I not tell you that if you believe, you will see the glory of God?”
41 So they took away the stone. Then Jesus looked up and said, “Father, I thank you that you have heard me. 42 I knew that you always hear me, but I said this for the benefit of the people standing here, that they may believe that you sent me.”
43 When he had said this, Jesus called in a loud voice, “Lazarus, come out!” 44 The dead man came out, his hands and feet wrapped with strips of linen, and a cloth around his face.
4 When he heard this, Jesus said, “This sickness will not end in death. No, it is for God’s glory so that God’s Son may be glorified through it.” 5 Now Jesus loved Martha and her sister and Lazarus. 6 So when he heard that Lazarus was sick, he stayed where he was two more days, 7 and then he said to his disciples, “Let us go back to Judea.”
8 “But Rabbi,” they said, “a short while ago the Jews there tried to stone you, and yet you are going back?”
9 Jesus answered, “Are there not twelve hours of daylight? Anyone who walks in the daytime will not stumble, for they see by this world’s light. 10 It is when a person walks at night that they stumble, for they have no light.”
11 After he had said this, he went on to tell them, “Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep; but I am going there to wake him up.”
12 His disciples replied, “Lord, if he sleeps, he will get better.” 13 Jesus had been speaking of his death, but his disciples thought he meant natural sleep.
14 So then he told them plainly, “Lazarus is dead, 15 and for your sake I am glad I was not there, so that you may believe. But let us go to him.”
16 Then Thomas (also known as Didymus[a]) said to the rest of the disciples, “Let us also go, that we may die with him.”
Jesus Comforts the Sisters of Lazarus
17 On his arrival, Jesus found that Lazarus had already been in the tomb for four days. 18 Now Bethany was less than two miles[b] from Jerusalem, 19 and many Jews had come to Martha and Mary to comfort them in the loss of their brother. 20 When Martha heard that Jesus was coming, she went out to meet him, but Mary stayed at home.
21 “Lord,” Martha said to Jesus, “if you had been here, my brother would not have died. 22 But I know that even now God will give you whatever you ask.”
23 Jesus said to her, “Your brother will rise again.”
24 Martha answered, “I know he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”
25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; 26 and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?”
27 “Yes, Lord,” she replied, “I believe that you are the Messiah, the Son of God, who is to come into the world.”
28 After she had said this, she went back and called her sister Mary aside. “The Teacher is here,” she said, “and is asking for you.” 29 When Mary heard this, she got up quickly and went to him. 30 Now Jesus had not yet entered the village, but was still at the place where Martha had met him. 31 When the Jews who had been with Mary in the house, comforting her, noticed how quickly she got up and went out, they followed her, supposing she was going to the tomb to mourn there.
32 When Mary reached the place where Jesus was and saw him, she fell at his feet and said, “Lord, if you had been here, my brother would not have died.”
33 When Jesus saw her weeping, and the Jews who had come along with her also weeping, he was deeply moved in spirit and troubled. 34 “Where have you laid him?” he asked.
“Come and see, Lord,” they replied.
35 Jesus wept.
36 Then the Jews said, “See how he loved him!”
37 But some of them said, “Could not he who opened the eyes of the blind man have kept this man from dying?”
Jesus Raises Lazarus From the Dead
38 Jesus, once more deeply moved, came to the tomb. It was a cave with a stone laid across the entrance. 39 “Take away the stone,” he said.
“But, Lord,” said Martha, the sister of the dead man, “by this time there is a bad odor, for he has been there four days.”
40 Then Jesus said, “Did I not tell you that if you believe, you will see the glory of God?”
41 So they took away the stone. Then Jesus looked up and said, “Father, I thank you that you have heard me. 42 I knew that you always hear me, but I said this for the benefit of the people standing here, that they may believe that you sent me.”
43 When he had said this, Jesus called in a loud voice, “Lazarus, come out!” 44 The dead man came out, his hands and feet wrapped with strips of linen, and a cloth around his face.
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@Stephen
That is not what I am reading here https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2011%3A1-45&version=NIV
I don't think the average person reading this story will think it comes across as Jesus offering somebody a promotion.
So I am curious as to why you would interpret the passages in this link to mean offering a promotion as opposed to raising the dead and why they wouldn't word it more plainly if the story was meant to convey something else.
I do understand in some ways why somebody would derive occult meanings from these verses. I have seen people think the bible stories represent astrology or Jerry and Esther hicks getting some interesting interpretations from the words of the Bible.
I am curious why a skeptic such as yourself would derive this occult type of symbolism from the bible. I assume you don't believe the conclusions of the occult symbolism and normally it is more new age type people who think about things in this occult way.
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@Stephen
I think I understand your position here.
The bible states Lazarus was physically raised from the dead and that aninas and his wife were physically killed.
I thought what you were saying before that because somebody becomes spiritually death they could be physically killed and it was your position that since ananius and his wife were spiritually dead than it wouldn't be seen as unethical.
So you are essentially saying these people are speaking in riddles and when physical death is mentioned they mean spiritual death.
I am assured by Catholics that they have direct lines to at the very least Peter and if Paul was teaching Peter gnosticism. Why would the catholic church take the Bible literally and why wouldn't Peter correct this or even Paul correct these teachings so the church remained true to the gnostic teachings he wanted to spread?
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Hold on wasn't Lazarus a physical death?
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@Stephen
And, just as someone can be raised from this spiritual death, they can also be thrown back to live among the "dead" , as was the case with Ananias and his wife Sapphira in the bible. "Dead" in these cases is a simple idiom of the time. As in the return of the wayward prodigal son "For this my son was dead, and is alive again. Luke 15:24
That reasoning actually makes a ton of sense
Nope. Just stating biblical facts to you. You are entitled to believe what you will, Wylted. I am not in the business of conversion or convincing.
I just spent a lot of time on DDO when I was an atheist still, debunking the fringe conspiracies that Jesus was a myth and that Paul was trying to teach some sort of gnostic message and meant Jesus was a type of thing to aspire to be. Like the new ages who speak of christ consciousness or of being ascended.
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@Stephen
But it wasn't a literal physical "death". It was an excommunication from the movement; a spiritual death if you like
That's not what I got but I watched a few videos and still didn't read it.
I will try and explain it to you with this question. If you, I and a few others started a movement and we called it The Movement Of The Living , and anyone outside of our circle we called the "dead ", from where would we raise more new members from amongst?
It feels like the answer should be from raising the dead. If you are going to try and take me down the Richard carrier rabbit hole, I am willing to come along for the ride but the myth hypothesis seems silly to me and on par with stuff like 9/11 conspiracy theories.
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@whiteflame
That doesn't sound terribly different to what I did here. Except I didn't care where my bullet points would take me.
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@Stephen
It's on there. Mostly descriptions from a Christian perspective. It's seems like an over reaction on God's part. My understanding of th story is they were living in a communal way and ananias sold his property and was going to hive damn near all of it to the community but wanted to keep a very small part to himself.
They were proud that they negotiated a great price for the property. However despite going above and beyond to bring the church a lot of money, then keep a tiny bit for themselves and were essentially struck dead for lying about this sin.
They keep talking about how it is a reminder about how easy sin can creep in but I keep thinking, they didn't have to sell the damn property at all. Maybe be thankful you got anything but no Peter essentially encourages God to strike them dead.
I have to look into it more. I know I am missing something. I only heard the part of the toy where thy are struck down for what thy did but I am wondering if it is discussed why thy were selling the property or if there is more background information on them
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@Barney
@whiteflame
@AustinL0926
Do you guys build arguments this way at all or are your thoughts usually more organized?
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Here is the final draft and now you can see the kind of hap hazard way these things are put together https://www.debateart.com/debates/5329-con-cannot-convince-pro-to-kill-himself?argument_number=2
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@Stephen
I don't remember that story. I am putting it on my watch later list on youtube now.
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Next Draft
First off if you are having an emergency dial 911, but here are some other resources;
Suicidal idealization is a serious thing and you should still reach out for help before you get the courage to do something that could hurt the people close to you.
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Resolution Analysis
The title of the debate is "Con cannot convince pro to kill himself" . Pro is making a claim, and in debate the one making the claim has the burden of proof to prove what they are stating is true. I don't have to prove I could potentially talk Pro into dying. He has to prove it would be impossible for me to do and in other threads he has suggested he wants to die and just doesn't have the courage to kill himself. So it is on him to prove I couldn't just quite literally hand him some liquid courage and focus his thoughts towards his own self hatred and pain. I have no BOP in this debate, I merely need to knock down his arguments
Kritik
A kritik for the purposes of this debate is a challenge to an assumption made in the resolution. In particular I want to challenge pro's assumption he is alive. If pro is not alive than the resolution is nonsensical and impossible to prove for either pro or con, and the victory should go to the person presenting the kritik, me.
I am going to argue that pro is in fact dead. or not alive.
Definitions
Before proving pro is dead or not alive we should really take a look at what death is. First let's discuss what death is not. We have this concept where we say somebody has died and went to heaven. So we can't say death is the end of existence. We still exist after death or at least many believe we do and we also call supernatural occurrences such as ghosts and call it seeing the dead. Clearly a ghost is a person who still exists, but they died and are dead and continue yet to live in some form. So what is death? What does it mean to kill?
Death- "To move from one plane of existence to another or to cease functioning of all vital cells and organisms in the body"
kill- "to cause the death of something or somebody"
If somebody suddenly becomes dead they will have either seized to exist or perhaps they have entered another realm of life. Maybe the realm looks like heaven, maybe a mind uploaded into a computer, maybe it is just some sort of quantum shift to an alternative reality.
How to weigh evidence
A quick note to the judges. How you weigh evidence in this debate is important. You will be saddened to know you are dead. You are in fact living in a false reality where the wool has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth. You can't trust most of this reality. Sure you do things and this reality gives you feedback, but it is going to be very tough to decipher, what is real and what is not real and to unsee the lies that this reality has presented you with.
The only fair way to judge a debate that takes place in a potential reality that is trying to lie to you is to trust what exists not on the outside, but on the inside. You have false memories implanted in you. You can't even trust them entirely but what you can trust, is your feelings. When I ask how did you feel yesterday? How do you feel today? These feelings and intuitions are very important to trust, because when the entire world is a lie the only truth is the truth you find inside of you.
I ask that you don't just listen to the truth inside of you, but.....
to let me come inside of you. Let me come inside of you...............
to point to the truth that is there and has been there all along.
We Are Dead
How do you feel right now? How do you feel really? Do things feel different than they used to? Does your past somehow feel more magical than the present. Did you feel more alive in the past than you do today? When did you last feel alive? My guess is you felt pretty alive in the beginning of 2012, but now the world feels dull and fake. Colors seem more dim, the holidays feel less special. You are probably wondering why you feel that way, but before I explain why let me give you the prerequisite knowledge
The Lazarus effect
It's not uncommon for somebody to be rushed to an emergency room. It's unfortunate that many times the results are that medical treatment is too little too late and a person ends up dead. Occasionally and this is the unusual part some people return from the dead. In the medical community this is known as the Lazarus effect. [https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/24876-lazarus-effect](https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/24876-lazarus-effect) A person is declared dead, his heart no longer beats, his brain shuts off and he is gone. From our perspective anyway.
The doctor will even get out the certificate of death and start recording the time of death only for the patient to wake up and shock everyone. During this state of supposed death many people see dead relatives, or go towards a light. As many as 75% actually experience psychic effects like being aware of things they shouldn't be such as what everyone in and outside of the room was saying, [https://med.virginia.edu/perceptual-studies/wp-content/uploads/sites/360/2017/01/NDE10.pdf](https://med.virginia.edu/perceptual-studies/wp-content/uploads/sites/360/2017/01/NDE10.pdf) .
So we have proof of some alternative reality to the one we live in because of NDE's as well as other phenomenon. How do you know you are alive now? You probably don't remember dying do you? You have no ideal if your mind was uploaded by the simulation into some sort of afterlife protocol or if you are between realities due to some sudden death. You don't know if you are or are not in some sort of purgatory awaiting your final fate in either hell or heaven.
You could likely argue that you don't remember dying. Yet you feel uncomfortable because you know you don't quite feel alive. Not since 2012 anyway. So what happened in 2012?
CERN
In as early as 2008 scientists knew that CERN's particle collider if flipped on could destroy the world. There ware several lawsuits to shut it down. [https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna23844529](https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna23844529) Some physicists warned that CERN could create runaway black holes that destroyed the universe. Meanwhile Stephen Hawking and his ilk said they think that the black holes created by CERN would close in on itself. [https://www.nature.com/articles/news011004-8](https://www.nature.com/articles/news011004-8) I am glad they were so nonchalant about risking our existence based on a theory not on fact.
Some said negatively charged Ions at Cern could create something known as strangelets that would destroy everything they touched. [https://phys.org/news/2014-02-chances-particle-collider-strangelets-earth.html](https://phys.org/news/2014-02-chances-particle-collider-strangelets-earth.html)
Some physicists warned that Magnetic monopolies could transform matter from one substance to another and also start a runaway train phenomenon once CERN was turned on. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_monopole](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_monopole)
What Killed Us
Stephen Hawking as we will find out, while defending CERN as being safe, knew for a fact the discovery of the Higgs Boson could destroy everything. Literally kill us all. https://www.livescience.com/27218-higgs-boson-universe-future.html
On July 4th 2012, The Higgs Boson particle was discovered by CERN. https://news.uchicago.edu/story/scientists-announced-discovery-higgs-boson-10-years-ago-whats-next
When this happened, we died instantly. It's why things just feel better now.
Mandel Affect
explain how the mandella affect is evidence of an alternate reality, maybe search for other indicators of being in an alternative reality etc.
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@Stephen
My point had nothing to do with "state funding". My point was that JW's are against further education."Jehovah’s Witnesses do not condone obtaining a college education and treat the endeavor as morally wrong and selfish. Jehovah’s Witnesses are instead encouraged to obtain a minimal level of education, only enough to look after their very basic needs".
I understand your point. I mentioned how religion hurt me and then you mentioned a specific way that JWs harm their people and so I branched off of that to mention another way the organization has hurt people through disfellowship. The state funding part was a side tangent and not related to my main point.
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I might have to narrow it to just that argument if I want to keep it. It takes a lot of characters
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@Mall
Do some of us want world peace or a little blood shed to keep things entertaining and less boring?
We could lock everyone on the planet in prison cells. It would end violence and bloodshed altogether. No interaction with other humans, just food through slots. We can value safety over freedom if we want. It would make us evil to value safety over freedom but atleast everyone will be safe.
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We are going to focus on expanding out argument one first and if it gets too long we can drop other arguments or we can still write those out, and find ways to make them more concise or we can write all three arguments but drop the first one or any combination of things.
argument 1-
The world ended in 2012 and we are living in a sort of temporal displacement which technically makes us dead https://thenextweb.com/news/did-world-actually-end-in-2012
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We Are Dead
How do you feel right now? How do you feel really? Do things feel different than they used to? Does your past somehow feel more magical than the present. Did you feel more alive in the past than you do today? When did you last feel alive? My guess is you felt pretty alive in the beginning of 2012, but now the world feels dull and fake. Colors seem more dim, the holidays feel less special. You are probably wondering why you feel that way, but before I explain why let me give you the prerequisite knowledge
The Lazarus effect
It's not uncommon for somebody to be rushed to an emergency room. It's unfortunate that many times the results are that medical treatment is too little too late and a person ends up dead. Occasionally and this is the unusual part some people return from the dead. In the medical community this is known as the Lazarus effect. https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/24876-lazarus-effect A person is declared dead, his heart no longer beats, his brain shuts off and he is gone. From our perspective anyway.
The doctor will even get out the certificate of death and start recording the time of death only for the patient to wake up and shock everyone. During this state of supposed death many people see dead relatives, or go towards a light. As many as 75% actually experience psychic effects like being aware of things they shouldn't be such as what everyone in and outside of the room was saying, https://med.virginia.edu/perceptual-studies/wp-content/uploads/sites/360/2017/01/NDE10.pdf .
So we have proof of some alternative reality to the one we live in because of NDE's as well as other phenomenon. How do you know you are alive now? You probably don't remember dying do you? You have no ideal if your mind was uploaded by the simulation into some sort of afterlife protocol or if you are between realities due to some sudden death. You don't know if you are or are not in some sort of purgatory awaiting your final fate in either hell or heaven.
You could likely argue that you don't remember dying. Yet you feel uncomfortable because you know you don't quite feel alive. Not since 2012 anyway. So what happened in 2012?
CERN
In as early as 2008 scientists knew that CERN's particle collider if flipped on could destroy the world. There ware several lawsuits to shut it down. https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna23844529 Some physicists warned that CERN could create runaway black holes that destroyed the universe. Meanwhile Stephen Hawking and his ilk said they think that the black holes created by CERN would close in on itself. https://www.nature.com/articles/news011004-8 I am glad they were so nonchalant about risking our existence based on a theory not on fact.
Some said negatively charged Ions at Cern could create something known as strangelets that would destroy everything they touched. https://phys.org/news/2014-02-chances-particle-collider-strangelets-earth.html
Some physicists warned that Magnetic monopolies could transform matter from one substance to another and also start a runaway train phenomenon once CERN was turned on. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_monopole
We don't know which one of these phenomenons killed us when CERN was flipped on again in August of 2012.
We do know that the death would most likely be instant. With the evidence already presented of an afterlife with NDE's we have to ask. Are we in one of the alternate realities discovered. Did our bodies die and do we exist in some quantum state? We do know it is possible, but how do we know if we are in this alternate reality.
Mandel Affect
explain how the mandella affect is evidence of an alternate reality, maybe search for other indicators of being in an alternative reality etc.
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@Mharman
I dont mind anyway. Ignore my attempt to guilt you into rerolling if I come up as scum.
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now i find a conspiracy podcast on the world ending in 2012 for inspiration or maybe see if the why files on youtube covers this topic and have some fun. before moving to argument 2
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@Sidewalker
Don't you always use the snowflake method?
This is very creative. Conservatives invented this meme because liberals were starting to use trigger warnings and had comfort rooms in college and then the leftwing is so intelligent that they just say it right back. Wow you guys are so creative and good with memes. The term clown world is starting to spread through public discourse more and more in response leftist insanity. You guys are so creative I can see the response right now. I open up facebook and some liberal relative to own the conservatives posts children being separated from parents at the border with text that exclaims "Clown world". You guys, how will we ever keep up with you in meme warfare.
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Draft 2
First off if you are having an emergency dial 911, but here are some other resources;
First off if you are having an emergency dial 911, but here are some other resources;
24/7 Crisis Hotline: 988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline
If you or someone you know is struggling or in crisis, help is available. Call or text 988 or chat 988lifeline.org. Veterans, press 1 when calling.
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Debate Resolution
1. point out how pro has the burden of proof to literally show how con cannot convince them to kill themselves.
2. explain how I just need to knock down their arguments because I have no burden of proof
3. Address the stupid songs posted and point out that the music is gay
4. point out that my theories can be contradictory and only one needs to make it through for me to win the debate.
5. maybe define some things in a way that is fair but benefits me/ probably not because semantic arguments are gay
argument 1-
The world ended in 2012 and we are living in a sort of temporal displacement which technically makes us dead https://thenextweb.com/news/did-world-actually-end-in-2012
argument 2-
Pro is an admitted atheist and dead to christ so he is essentially just a rotting sack of flesh and is living in only name a LION
Argument 3-
oxygen toxicity proven https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK430743/
proof of oxygen literally killing us https://bunnyears.com/poison-oxygen-will-kill-you/
Argument 4/ conclusion
conclude everything but also mention how we are technically dying since we are born. this allows me to expand on this point in the beginning of round 2 whether pro addresses it or not.
The moment we are born we start to die. Our cells start dividing until they reach the hayflick limit and cannot divide anymore. So even if my words convince pro to go on, I have still convinced him and encouraged him to continue the process of dying which is just a long way of saying I convinced him to die.
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First draft using snowflake method
predebate round
google suicide prevention sources to link to prior to beginning of debate
Debate Resolution
1. point out how pro has the burden of proof to literally show how con cannot convince them to kill themselves.
2. explain how I just need to knock down their arguments because I have no burden of proof
3. Address the stupid songs posted and point out that the music is gay
4. point out that my theories can be contradictory and only one needs to make it through for me to win the debate.
5. maybe define some things in a way that is fair but benefits me/ probably not because semantic arguments are gay
argument 1-
Maybe point out that he is already dead or some bullshit. I don't know. Perhaps a conspiracy theory of some sort that forces him to use characters or get triggered and ignore the next 2 arguments. I think I heard some theory that the world already ended and we are all technically in the afterlife. I am not sure.
argument 2-
Maybe discuss some sort of spiritual death. Jesus made a statement like "let the dead care for the dead" when referring to people very much alive so figure out what the hell that means and some how make it relevant or something.
Argument 3-
oxygen is poison theory. SO I just have to convince him to continue breathing and he will be slowly killing himself. Also if i fail to convince him to continue breathing and he stops breathing than I have still convinced him to kill himself through reverse psychology
Argument 4/ conclusion
conclude everything but also mention how we are technically dying since we are born. this allows me to expand on this point in the beginning of round 2 whether pro addresses it or not.
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I am going to alter my process for argument creation, but it might be useful to see my process in each of it's stages. This is the debate I am going to formulate arguments for https://www.debateart.com/debates/5329-con-cannot-convince-pro-to-kill-himself
The title of the debate is; Con cannot convince pro to kill himself
No description is seen I am in round one and crafting a response. I am going to show you how it is done using the snowflake method and show the first draft of the argument in the next post.
For a more complex topic, I will likely create a video and show you the process live or at least what can be shown of the process. I will also show you the system I am going to replace it with but for now just look at the various draft stages starting with stage one.
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This is boring and stupid. Everyone is literally just going to say one world government and liberals will see that much hand in so few hands as good while conservatives will find the ideal disgusting and think the occasional war is just the price of freedom
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@Stephen
I am sure you can find a direct link to the shunning video played in court but here is an ex JW who breaks down the video played in court https://youtu.be/B6oJj7huPsU?si=CYjEbDgUbnRsK-QQ
So these people refuse to vote because they don't want to be involved in governelment. Refuse to participate in any sort of patriotic activities but demand the government hands them money.
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