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@TheUnderdog
Finally a fucking person who actually knows how to debunk a point and make great observations. Please teach RM and and Roosevelt how to be smart like you and actually defeat an opponents arguments.
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@FLRW
So you are saying that Putin can do whatever the Hell he wants?
You liked your own post. I saw in real time how fast that like popped up, LOL.
On topic though. I think I just told you that we don't like putin. I speak for the entire right BTW and my word is final.
We like certain qualities he has but we would obviously prefer to see him dead and Navalny in his spot.
Therefore can cope and say thy want putin dead because he is evil or some other such nonsense.
We want him dead because the guy is a fucking God. He is the best leader since Ivan th terrible, he is extremely effective and its in America's best interests if we install great leadership that doesn't bow to us, with somebody who will bow to us.
He can do hatever he wants. Until he is stopped or dies, and hopefully that happens soon.
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@Greyparrot
@Best.Korea
When America jails their political opponent, it is good. When Russia does it, it is bad. That's what the TV guy told you to say to people
He doesn't deny this he just attacks you for something else LOL
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@FLRW
know, I know, you don't want anybody talking about Putin killing Navalny.
You do know that nobody on the right actually believes that what is best for putin is best for America right?
We all know that Navalny would have been a puppet of Nato and we all know that it would bring more world peace and be beneficial to American security.
We merely respect Putin for not being a puppet and having some good principles but most of us would shoot him if left in a room with him, if we thought there was a 50% Chace we would make it out of the room alive.
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This whole "they like Putin" bit is leftium cope
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I literally procedure freedom was good and instead of just admitting it and advocating for freedom you are still like
"Derp, the government should control every faccit of our lives and we should continue with economic interventionism, just because interventionism failed with, Mao, Stalin and Hitler doesn't mean it will fail this time".
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RM,
I showed you the economic freedom index which proves that red countries do better than blue countries.
I showed you stats to show you that red cities do better than blue cities.
When are you going to apologize for advocating for the spread of crime, poverty and degeneracy and start working towards peace and prosperity which are best achieved through freedom?
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@sadolite
It really quite simple with me. If you act like a degenerate perverted weirdo espousing degenerate weirdo shit, its highly unlikely we will be anywhere near each other, in private, public or in the work place. And that's OK with me, I cant be everyone's shot of grain alcohol.
Okay so you aren't one of those homophobes that oppose children going to gay pride parades to watch barely dressed men simulate felatio om each other.
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RM,
Don't play stupid. You know that it is safer to live outside of blue cities than inside of them.
To sir there and pretend you don't know that wealthy well off communities have less crime than blue areas like skid row is retarded.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Such a stupid statement.
Yes it is stupid to say that when the intelligence community uses the media to signal there next move that it might spoil their plans.
This statement indicates you legitimately believe that signaling strategic plans will never ever result in enemies making moves to interrupt those plans.
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That’s nonsense. Trickle down economics has never worked. It did not work under Trump even before Covid hit.
Trump is not a proponent of austrian economics though his policies are certainly less interventionist than anyone on the left and we don't know the effects of trumps policies because the left literally shut down the entire economy to save 0.05% (the death rate of 75 year olds and above) of boomers.
The SALT cap created a double tax on blue state Americans- paying taxes on money that was taxed.
You re literally a proponent of double taxing. Is it not true that you would see capital gains taxed, dividends of those business owners also taxed and then also have the businesses themselves taxed and then consumers at the point of sale taxed? This is like a quadruple tax.
union dues (I pay 4000 a year) are no longer tax deductible thanks to them
That's absurd that you belong to a union. When I was a teenager I was a part of the UCFW UNION and it took me less than a month to realize I could get a 35% raise and skip out on union dues by switching to a grocery store that had no union.
What jobs even still have unions. Electricians and cops? It's just dumb to accept union dues which have no impact on how much you get paid.
Glass-Steagall was created to separate investment banking from commercial banking. Its repeal at the behest of Republicans was a key cause of the financial crisis of 2008
My understanding is that banks took risks they knew they shouldn't have because they assumed idiots would bail them out with tax payer money.
And even if the repeal of Glass Steagull cause this it would change the fact that there was more competition in banking prior to all of the 20th century regulations
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Ronald Reagan creating or expanding intelligence services I don't think is related to the deep state mindset that has permeated it.
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The left literally assassinated him and prigozihn.
Putin knows that the US is open to making regime change happen and the left signaled they had a massive erection for the guy.
Prigozihn was mostly his own fault. He pussed out at the last second and pretended be wasn't aiming for power, but given his popular support in Russia and th elections of the left, phtin thought it wasn't worth letting the guy have a quiet retirement and eli.inated the threat
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@Greyparrot
Knowing this, any threat to "the process" is a threat to the managerial class, and they will use all the power they have and any means available, legal or otherwise, to prevent that outcome. The Rubric is clear on this. It's a matter of self-preservation over the good of the Nation, simple them vs us.
What's going to be fun is watching this process play out with AI when it improves. I will literally be able to just download a $5 AI to be a personal trainer and nutritionist ans the people who get replaced will fight like how to explain how dangerous it is because the AI can be dangerously misapplied because it would alow me the freedom to have a lot of input into my own training.
Wait until it can give me great legal advice on the cheap while lawyers fight like hell in the courts to paint the advice as dangerous.
Give me a solid reason I can't use some annoying AI voice attached to a LLM to defend me in court for a subscription price model?
Thats the one thing that will always keep a man from being honest, even to himself. Co.ing between him and his source of income.
When is the last time you talked to a cab driver? I still use traditional taxis for airport service though I lean on uber for anything else. These people think it is legitimately dangerous that non professional drivers can give me a lift, and while they discuss this with me they will simultaneously be tailgating g the car in front of them, cutting people off and refusing to use a turn signal.
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@Greyparrot
I will read it with your have time at work
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Not all of them but they still rank highly
https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking
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Those countries are higher in the economic freedom index . I think every one you kistedis top ten in the economic freedom index
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Las Angelas, Chicago, Charlotte, Wilmington Delaware Seattle
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I just gave you examples. Prior to the FDA 80% of our food supply came from local companies, now less than 10 companies control most of the American food supply.
Prior to glass Steagull most banking was local banks now most are large chain banks
In the wild west days of the internet, there was a larger diversity of sites, people didn't sit on just 5 or 6 sites all day like Twitter, tiktok and instagra.
You haven't responded to my examples at all
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I just saw a poll that showed among billionaires nearly 50% voted for Biden while 35% voted for Trump
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@IwantRooseveltagain
If wealthy people vote for and financially support Democrats, why was the Republican Party so focused on cutting the taxes of the wealthy in 2017?
Because cutting their taxes leads to more prosperity down stream. For the democrats yes it is about punishing people who vote republican but this is really about creating financial prosperity. I would read through the articles from Mises.org to clear up why this works but it works.
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It seems like blue cities such as Detroit were doing well under republicans but when it went blue it became a very poor and high crime area. It seems like democrat cities always go into the shitter this way and that perhaps their policies are the cause of this.
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I think it's mostly going to be democrats.
Yeah when I was a child my parents said that republicans are for the rich and democrats for the poor. So as a kid I said "well I will always be a democrat because I identify more with the poor"
I still struggle with identifying as poor and a mild dislike or hatred towards those well off.
I Don't think my parents were correct, as I got into whether the welfare state gas Co tributed in a reduction of poverty or increased it it appears to me it increases it. It appears to me that societies that do like eco omic interventionism such as Russia and North korea do worse than nations that do less economic interventionism. It appears to me that economic prosperity shouldn't be about DEI initiatives that promote diversity and the expense of things like patient or airline safety. I just think the way to defeat poverty is through making the country wealthy and providing an abundance of opportunity
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@TheUnderdog
@Wylted (or whoever)
If you really believe that rich people tend to vote blue, then would you want to raise taxes on disproportionally blue voters to subsidize red voters?
No, my concern would be more about what th effects of the tax policy would be not in who they harm, and I would limit rich people here to the billionaire power brokers. The koch brother type is rare most billionaires seem to lean left and my speculation is that regulations and interventionist policies help them control things better.
If not, then you support rich blue voter's right to keep what they earned.
I mean yeah. Why should a rich Democrat not be allowed to keep his money. If he wants his income going to social causes, he can donate it. Even if all.billionaires were democrats I don't think it has any impact on this belief. To me it's about what is most beneficial for society and I think they could male a better impact with the money than politicians
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Are you aware that anti monopoly and anti predatory laws to stop mega corporations destroying smaller competitors with underhanded tactics are internationally, regardless of culture, pushed by the left wingers of any given nation?
Perhaps but let's go back to my premises and conclusions
Premise- adding regulations lead to less competition in the marketplace (I gave examples)
Premise 2.
Conclusikn- so avoiding regulation will keep competition high
WTF writing this out it seems off. Premise 1 is correct but I am not sure how to connect Premise 1 to he conclusion or what hidden Premise was there.
The point being address my premises or the flaws in my conclusion
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But I think it should be you need at least .5% national approval to run (both major parties have 1%; so half of that) and then it's just a RCVsession
This sounds like a good way to maybe take care of some of my criticisms
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@TheUnderdog
I believe nobody on this site except you read 500 pages on RCV.
Yes I was downplaying how much I know but the knowledge is fuzzy. I remember my conclusion better than my premises so I would benefit by debating it.
Look I saw it. I thought this is an excellent ideal. Here is my process. When I first hear an ideal, I fully believe it or keep reading until I fully believe it, maybe I take a different approach and argue against it devils advocate until somebody who believes it brow beats me into also believing it.
On the surface it is a great premise. Finally you can vote for your favorite candidate first and if they lose your vote still counts, nothing can be more fair.
It really does sound great. Anyway my next step after buying into the ideal.is to now look t the criticisms of that until I fully debunk my own premises. Then usually I see if there are responses to those rebuttals and pursue that.
Sometimes with topics it can go very deep. I fully dive in one way and then th next and it can go back and forth a few times. I really could benefit from a debate because in this instance I couldn't find great responses to the rebuttals for it or criticisms of ranked choice. Maybe you can. Maybe I start a new thread tonight about this so you have an opportunity to do so in a more relaxed format
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First of all. I don't agree that this website is for children. I do believe that teenagers should be allowed here but that they should proceed with caution. So no I don't think a single child clicked on that link. I do believe that we should operate on the site with the assumption that our entire audience is adults.
If children see content not intended for them, that is not my problem. Porn is illegal, gore is not. However it would be unethical to target children with images of gore. It is not unethical for them to find an adult oriented website like this one and then click on a gore video.
It should also be noted that I kept the link in clear text so that way o ly people who were personally okay with seeing gore would click it.
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The ones in conditions that showed them due to others close to them, how necessary abortion can be or the ones with barely any need for it or who happily hypereproduce and neglect/abuse their 8 kids to 2 parents in a household barely distinguishable from a caravan?
I would assume both are democrats. I was basically raised in The second group and my parents are both democrats.
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Then you are also lying the deep state is evil, corrupt blablabla.
I would agree that the manifestation of the deepstate as an egregore is evil but not the components of the egregore giving it power. I don't even necessarily mean egregore in a spiritual sense, but it's just hard to wrap words around the concept.
The people in the deepstate, which I believe is evil, are mostly good people. Well as good as you can expect people to be.
They likely value stability and incremental change and have a bias for current power structures. It doesn't make them bad people. They are fighting for what they believe is best for America and americans
Doesn't add up. Your own source would disagree with you.
We are interpreting their words differently and we are at an impasse. There is nothing left to debate here. I interpret them one way and you interpret them another. I guess if one of us can rationalize more as to why we interpret th words a certain way than maybe we can open the discussion up more, but ultimately it's probably like looking at a poem. You can have both sides argue about what it means and never make it anywhere.
There is nothing gained by this argument.
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Congrats on becoming a gymcel, I am sure it will be beneficial for it.
How would I define queer?
It mean weird it just refers to gay people and I refuse to acknowledge the new definitions of the word that have been popularized. You are not queer for being a drag queen or a tomboy or a feminine male like Gordon Ramsey.
I allowed the word queer to expand to mean gay because it happened before I as born, but I will be damned if I allow the word to be hijacked again.
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How is this a mentality and how is it unorganised?
This is not the type of organization that I am trying to debunk. I am aging that nobody gets together and says "we are the deep state let's get these people"
That is spontaneous organization between like minded people. It's like when me and an my first wife agreed to go to parenting classes together. Neither of us did but when the judge looked at us and asked if thy were completed, she winked at me and we both vouched for each other while remaining enemies.
It's not the type of conspiracy that occurs from.backroom deals. It is just 2 like minded people behaving in a mutually beneficial way.
If your statement is that the right believes they are organized to the effect that they agree on a lot and sometimes give each other winks than I will agree that is something I believe as a right wing person.
If you are saying that we believe this is a bunch of backroom deals and behind the scenes hand shakes (beyond what is normal) than I disagree. Obviously I wouldn't exclude the possibility of backroom deals only that these people don't have a type of hierarchy or belong to any official organization, they are merely likeminded people who possess a technocratic thought process.
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Tomboys are queer, definitively. It's literally a queer status just as drag queen is etc.
If you called drag queens queer to my face we would have an issue. They are entertainers. This is like calling Mrs doubtfire a queer.
Fuck off with your bigotry
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Me- abortions kill more potential democrats than Republicans
Rm- you are wrong because there are economic reasons for their abortions and they vote democrat because abortions are allowed.
The response is gibberish. You are either in a worse mental condition than last time you re here or laost your step
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That is coping for your read herring . I mentioned it as a premie for why democrats will be a minority in the future and Roosevelt came back claiming it wasn't mostly democrats getting abortions and then I posted racial statistics on abortions and black women vote something like 80% democrat.
I wasn't making a statement that abortion is unethical even though I believe it is. The argument was limited to whether abortions are more harmful to the democratic voting block or republican one.
I wasn't making a statement that abortion is unethical even though I believe it is. The argument was limited to whether abortions are more harmful to the democratic voting block or republican one.
We are welcome to start a thread on the ethics of abortion. Most people after learning the nuance with my position come away thinking I am pro choice but appropriating the term pro life. I disagree because I think the left takes abortion too far.
I support 1st trimester abortions and the morning after pill. I also support any abortion which is in the medical best interest of the pregnant woman.
Some call that pro choice. I disagree because I have read arguments from pro choice advocates that go way beyond what I would be willing to support
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He'll even if it were illegal you should fight against that sort of tyranny as opposed to supporting fascism
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That would never make it to court even if it was actual gore and not just some barely visible head wrapped in a bag
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Here is a good source I found. Watching video now to comment
https://www.americanmoment.org/features/unmasking-the-deep-state/
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I am reading through statements by Trump and Dan Bomgino and other popular Republicans on the deep state. I am seeing many references to it but nobody saying exactly what it is or defining it in any sort of way other than by the results of the actions of the various people in the deep state.
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Where the hell are you guys getting that th deep state is some illuminati organization with secret meetings?
You don't get to discount my source because he comes from a time period where the word did not exist yet. He is referring to the same concept.
This is like if you provided me a German source and I tried to discredit it because he didn't use the English word for what we are discussing.
I want a non schizo source from a serious republican that overtly describes the deepstate as an organized illuminati type organization or any sort of organized group for that matter.
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Thats not how that law works. It's literally only been applied to providing images of naked adults engaging in sex. It's not illegal to allow your kid to watch gore otherwise the passion of the christ would have gotten parents locked up.
It's also not illegal to expose children to nude adults in non sexual ways and this is why parents in nudist colonies are not in prison. Consult a lawyer and the first amendment please
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My claim was that abortions kill more democrats than Republicans. You are talking about something else.
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This guy doesn't call it a the deepstate but Burnham mentioned it in his books by the managerial elite and the term was later changed to "deep state" by the people promoting the ideal currently
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No, it isn't.
Good to know the wealthy don't try to influence laws.
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What are you talking about? You made that up. In fact every single thing is harder for smaller poorer business owners under Republican ideals, from getting healthcare, education, transport, mortgage you name it. It's all absolute fucking hell under their policies and much easier mobility-wise under Democrat policies but Democrats rarely get their way, that much has been proven true in backwards America, the least progressive of all nations to be called equally or more advanced than it.
Fact before regulatory agencies practically everyone was a small business owners
Fact prior to the FDA almost everyone bought their groceries locally and from mom and pop suppliers. Today 80% of America's food supply comes from less than 10 producers
Fact prior to modern day banking regulations most people banked with a small local bank, now its nearly all done with national banks.
Fact prior to the current climate of the internet were most people spend all day on 5 sites, Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, tiktok Instagram in the wild west days prior to the regulations we have today a wide variety of sites that were part of small webrings got the majority of traffic
Fact: it is not illegal for kids to see Gore and it would be a violation of the first amendment if it was and yes this is a predominantly American site so fuck off with your stupid disinfo
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@IwantRooseveltagain
They don’t think the deep state is a “mentality”. They do believe it is organized.
I think this is why you do yourself a big disservice by only looking at partisan left wing sources. No academics on the right are referring to it that way.
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@TheUnderdog
Watch this video:Ranked Choice Voting Explained in Less than One Minute #shorts (youtube.com).
I have read 500 page books on this. Don't insult me with a one minute video lol.
How? If it's Biden-DeSantis-Trump, I think DeSantis would win that election with RCV, but with FPTP, it would be Biden since DeSantis would take a lot of votes from Trump.
I think the issue comes when there are 16 candidates or some similar thing. Some people only vote for one so when the last place is erased their vote is gone forever anyway. Things can get wonky. I guess since you don't want to debate this I will look through my obsidian folder and see what my previous notes were. It's been a like 5 years since I looked into his so I need to update them anyway
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I appreciate very little of what you post, least of all you linking to pure gore and implying something by tagging me into a completely irrelevant thread.
It was on a live gore but if you actually watched the video is was less disturbing than your average R rated horror movie
I see nowhere in this lie you wrote where it covers a way the Democrats benefit the elite rich more, please guide my eyes
The democrats do because regulations make it harder for small businesses to comply which give large businesses more market share and more ROI for shareholders.
If you take a look you see founders In New markets attempt to court politicians to establish an early monopoly. Just after open AI was released they sent a shitload of lobbiests to Washington to attempt to regulate the market so it would be too expensive for other companies to take any of their market share. The same happened with Sam Bankman, he immediately after starting his crypto exchange started lobbying several governments for immense regulation so he could position himself formerly all of the market share and take out other crypto exchanges
Economic interventionism is a tool for the wealthy elite.
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RM,
I guess you bring up a good point by saying g that just because he was telling the truth in one instance it doesn't make him a liar. They should atleast admit he was correct in that instance though
As far as the central park 5 is concerned, they were guilty of being part of the group that attacked that jogger. If one person is guilty of attacking her but 10 others stand around and cheer it on, then obviously she will be afraid to fight back and defend herself and any onlookers will be afraid to rescue her when a large crowd of people are on the side of the attackers.
Those kids aren't innocent. They were engaging in mob violence and criminal activity. If you have 5 people do a bank robbery but only one of them kill the teller when it is done and over with, all 5 get charged with murder.
Perhaps their punishment was disproportionate to the crime, but they absolutely were engaged in criminal behavior and deserved to lose at least a few years of their life for it.
*anyone wondering why I have not tagged RM, he blocked me due to apparently saying g trump was truthful in one instance and giving him a warm welcome. Take that as a reflection on his character however you will
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@IwantRooseveltagain
I mean if your saying everyone in the government is part of the deep state by virtue of the fact they are government officials and elected government office holders it just makes no sense.
No, it's representative of a certain mentality that has taken hold. If anyone is claiming an organized conspiracy they are incorrect. If they are claiming all billionaires, leaders in government institutions or politicians are deep state, they are incorrect.
Nope. Still not understanding what you are trying to say. Especially if it concerns the deep state and some kind of explanation why you believe there is a deep state and exactly what it is and who is in it.
When the word deepstate is stated, the person stating it is usually referring to what James Burnham calls the managerial elite which comprise a lot of people in government and fortune 509 positions, but deepstate clearly is just the portion entrenched in government. https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2017/02/james-burnhams-managerial-elite/
It's not organized. It's not intentional. It's just a result of the natural ebbs and flows of society and criticism of a deepstate is just a easy way to make burnham's hypothesis more digestible to the masses.
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@RationalMadman
I just noticed you were back. Glad you are here. I made a thread about you hoping g it would get your attention and cause you to re join us.
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