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@AustinL0926
Why did you ask savant to put his actions if you supposedly jail kept him?
Particularly after he already said they failed?
Why didn't you behave like town and just wait for him to lie if you thought he was scum and then bounce and say you jail kept him?
Why were you trying to trap him in post 61 if you could mechanically clear him?
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@Lunatic
If he flips town we lynch you and win but your stubbornness is giving me town vibes so I am pretty sure it won't come to that and TBH the game stops being fun once it's solved and I want to move onto the next game. We could delay starting the next Mafia game for another 2 weeks or we could just lynch Austin and start it in another 3 or 4 days.
You knows he is going to mock you really hard in the end game for buying the doctor claim after pie claimed doctor. We can call it jailkeeper if we want to be nuanced but it is absolutely a doctor and we know that. He was stupid enough to CC a dead players.
If I was Austin and I was town I wouldn't even fight the lynch because I would just want the game to end so 3 at worst instead of pushing the win back to DP4.
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@Lunatic
If I’m wrong about wylteds being scum my second guess for scum would HAVE to be supa f
This is how we lose. Because even if you vote out me or sups you are still going to just let Austin win.
This is why I said earlier if you are here at mylo or lylo we lose
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@Lunatic
@Savant
I won't be removing my vote until you claim.
You change your mind every 5 minutes so I don't trust you. It is literally retarded Austin hasn't been lynched yet. Why is the game still going on?
But yeah wylteds claim will help me determine whether or not he’s still the prime candidate here in my eyes.
You did so well as scum last game. I don't know why that doesn't crossover to your town play. Austin is quite obviously the final scum and voting for him ends the game.
I am vanilla and "cosmetics" . Cosmetics don't really effect gameplay which is why the vanilla role is attached
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Is the DP still going. You guys realize the game should be over by now right?
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You can't have it both ways and say the plan is too retarded for him to do if he was scum while also calling it a master plan
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@Lunatic
That's why I don't understand why your answer to all this is that "Austin is just a retard" because even you seem to know it makes no sense for him to do that.
It's an elaborate wifom thing. Nothing more. You are wifoming yourself to death
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@Lunatic
How did austin hurt you so bad lol
It's just frustrating from my point of view because you maybe are uncertain of who is scum but from my POV he's scum and it's annoying he wants to delay the game by a single DP.
On the off chance he is town it's even more annoying because the town block is so big that the town win is a foregone conclusion so him fighting for something that gives us very little extra advantage feels silly.
If I put myself in his shoes than I just get lynched and don't fight it TBH. I think at one point your vote, Austin's and savant was on me this DP and you saw me put up zero fight just because the results of this game are a foregone conclusion and now we are just going through the motions until the inevitable victory.
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@Lunatic
The doctor flipped before he claimed. So your insinuating the scum austin is just a retard
Correct
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I also find it odd you never saw a Mafia recruiting faction when you literally created one for that game
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@Lunatic
Here is a Mafia recruiting role called Yakuza that was almost successful because town almost did the retarded thing by delaying the obvious lynch until I stepped in
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/11336-clash-of-clans-endgame
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So if lunatic is scum we unnecessarily drag the game out to dp4 instead of 3. If Austin is scum we unnecessarily drag it out and additional DP.
It's retarded
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@Lunatic
Explained. Vader is obviously town for his early claim. Whiteflame never puts that much effort as scum. Casey is town based on her behavior and early push on GP. Savant is town because we expected a watcher and we'll there he is.
Austin is scum because he is quite literally just claiming a variation of doctor and pie flipped doctor plus POE.
The game is solved and it's pointless to delay this bullshit. I actually find it a bit disrespectful that he is trying to force us to play the game game out by fighting for his life here
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@Lunatic
If I was scum why would I delay austins lynch? There can only be one more scum member since we hit one. Your logic makes no sense. I get your mad that your getting voted, but omgus doesn't suit you mate.
He's quite obviously scum. Just saying in the one in a million chance he wasn't than you are.
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Also stop pretending your delay tactics will work and post your sign ups
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@AustinL0926
It's literally down to you and lunatic. If you are town it is still antitown to fight this so hard. So what if you are town you delay it. By one day so it takes 3 days to lynch lunatic instead of 2. You aren't going to mechanically clear anyone. Best case scenario you are intelligent enough to jailkeep lunatic and no NK goes off, but let's be realistic you waste your time jail keeping me and clear me who is literally only scum read by lunatic who is probably the last remaining scum and that is assuming you are town
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I promise to town read anybody who insta hammers here so don't be scared to do it
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@AustinL0926
'm also going to point out that going by Wylted's absurd logic, he could just as easily be a recruiter who needs me to be lynched today in order to insta-win. It's symmetrical, any argument that applies to me also applies to him.
The difference is that I didn't claim nearly the exact same role as a dead member of town as some sort of stupid wifom gambit
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@AustinL0926
If I have a recruiting role, I claim Governor and ask to be tested.
This is a common mistake. Town doesn't fight this hard not to be lynched, especially when scum is literally down to 2 people and town can just mechanically win the game by lynching one first and then the other.
Plus town usually insists they are town not carries to challenge logic, but instead challenge the conclusions of the logic
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@AustinL0926
@Casey_Risk
No experienced mafia player actually thinks there is a genuine chance that delaying somehow gives me the win here, and Wylted is experienced enough that he *knows* better as town.
Casey can you confirm that you were scum with whiteflame in a recent game and you had a recruiting role and were trying to delay the game by one day and had you succeeded, scum would have won
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6-1
Not lynching Austin but lynching someone else and NK success
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Austin making up some bullshit story to delay yet another game but not killing lunatic and the NK makes it
2-1
And since he left lunatic alive than we know the wrong decision will be made at LYLO so that's a town loss
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If it's not Austin it's lunatic and that would explain why lunatic would delay an Austin lynch. Delaying the Austin lynch by one day, delays his own by 2 or more
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@Savant
We'll lynch Austin tmrw. Just claim.
No because he was the obvious lynch today but you are a retard so you talked yourself off of it. He could literally have a recruiting role or some shit and in that case a delay makes sense.
My assumption is that if you are stupid enough to delay the lynch now, he will come up with some retarded story that makes it make sense to delay the obvious lynch again.
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@AustinL0926
This is basic mechanics, y'all are lynching a one-shot strengthened cop, and I'm going to bang my head against a wall at the fact that town is very possibly going to lose this not because scum played well, but because y'all are impatient.
We legit only need to lynch you, than if you are town lynch lunatic and we win. There is zero chance of a loss
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@AustinL0926
If you're confident I'm scum then please explain how lynching me tomorrow instead of today, after I clear another person through jailkeep, harms town win chances.
You could have a recruiting role for all we know. What is your retarded plan anyway? Let me guess forego the NK to fake confirm yourself.
I respect your fight but it is absolutely retarded to delay this. It literally has zero benefit.
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@Lunatic
Maybe help me lynch wylted then
Do not delay the game for another DP off this nonsense.
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@AustinL0926
And if it's not lunatic?? I can't believe this is a real thought coming from you.
Then who would it be?
Vader is basically cleared for the immediate claim. Casey is cleared from her early pressure and light CC.
Savant is cleared because we were expecting a watcher anyway and he claimed early.Plus you messed up and cleared him.
Whiteflame is putting in more effort than he ever does as scum. And lunatic I just feel like is town for some reason but not strongly enough for me not to lynch him if you flip town.
Literally no body else could be scum besides you
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If you were town you literally wouldn't give a shit about being lynched because it just brings victory one step closer.
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@AustinL0926
So yes if you think I claim a similar role as Pie knowing he already flipped, while clearing someone who could be mislynched down the line, while offering to clear another player tonight, while cutting off any path to endgame by literally saying it's the best play to lynch me tomorrow after I out my result:
Your claim claim would only be completely safe if it's pretty much a CC of Pies, and you would have to claim today to have any chance of avoiding a lynch
You only cleared savant after literally everyone decided that he had to be town based on the role claim.
Post poning your lynch does nothing since it's either you or lunatic and if it's not you we lynch lunatic and it's game over
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A jail keeper and a doctor? Please do not be retarded let's just end this game
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@Casey_Risk
It sounds like we are all down to luna and Austin. I think the last scum is probably Austin. I am willing to play ball and lynch luna assuming Austin is next but can we just lynch austin
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@Vader
I don't necessarily fully buy Luna's logic just because he is in my POE. I don't buy
I feel like I am being misunderstood. I care about whether it is sensible for savant to buy into his logic not if you buy into his logic.
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@Vader
I don't know it still seems scummy that savant buys lunatics logic.
Do you buy lunatics logic?
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@Savant
I guess we expect a watcher anyway so I can move to Austin.
VTL austin
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@Vader
I am just messing with you. It's literally impossible to find the best candidate for a job and networking actually helps businesses get better candidates by expanding their hiring pool.
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@whiteflame
Yeah he is I town read lunatic and you town read Austin so it's probably the best compromise anyway.
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I think it comes down to Austin and savant and I hesitate to throw Austin's name in the ring because I am pretty sure it is savant
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@whiteflame
I am on page 5 rereading DP1.
Savant seems almost frustrated that people are jumping on GP so early.
Gp seems to be playfully teasing town members. GP calls me scum he tags Lunatic and calls lunatice
Sir!!
I don't think Vader would immediately claim as scum knowing GP also would and his analysis of you seems sincere.
Also I disagree with lunatics reasoning but I am not really criticizing Lunatics reads. I am criticizing that savant would buy lunatics logic and agree with it as town when this is reasoning that savant is usually dismissive of.
I am only on page 5 of DP1 so I might have more to add later but savant seems like he is GPs scum partner and even frustrated long before the lynch at the immediate suspicions of GP.
I think at the time GP had like one vote and Savant seemed in a panic because he was in people's scum pool
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@whiteflame
I know it's a small detail but reread lunatics reasoning for who he has in his scum pile and then look at how savant claims he buys that reasoning and then tell me if that looks like stuff savant would normally buy into
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Savant saying he buys lunatic's reasoning is dumb. I just reread his reasoning and he has me as scum by POE, so I. Order for savant to buy lunatics reasoning he has to but all of lunatics town reads and for the same reasons lunatic does.
The reasoning for some of Lunatics town reads seem highly personal as well, such as him noticing Vader buddies his scum partner as scum and then him thinking Vader gives a shit about his opinion and claiming Vader would alter his entire personality as scum based on the reads of a town members who is usually NKed early on. (Assuming lunatic is town, which he probably is).
So when savant says he would buy lunatics reasoning for my scum read and lunatics reasoning of course comes from POE, this means Savant would need to buy logic that is highly subjective and dependent on lunatics personal experience. Logic
I don't buy it from Savant
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Now let me look at lunatics post so I can blow up that logic. Was looking to be lazy this game but apparently I have to reread DP1 and look for associative tells and solve the game for you guys.
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@Savant
I think Austin or WF would have cautioned GP against claiming role cop.
1. He claimed 20 minutes after the DP started. His scum partner probably had no time to even tell him anything.
2. Scum PMs for all we know went out immediately prior to the DP
3. We know that GP is not known for listening to others so nobody is going to stop him from doing whatever he wants.
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@Savant
I buy a good chunk of Luna's reasoning
Address my reasoning right now about the what I just posted last night.
That using connections to get jobs, and nepotism is the same antimeritocratic shit as DEI.
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Fucking networking. WTF, just apply for jobs and be the best. If you are they best they should hire you, if you are not and use networking to get in the door you are essentially a DEI hire. Just like people who got hired by family. Essentially you are DEI if you work at the family business.
This is why there should be a 100% inheritance tax. Earn your way weaklings
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@Vader
networking
Oh so you don't think merit is good enough, you want to do the Jewish version of DEI and use your connections and network.
Bro just be the best at what you do and people will clamor to hire you. Don't take short cuts, just earn your place with merit not networks
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That is going beyond their agenda.
What does the USAID do?
The U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) is the principal U.S. agency to extend assistance to countries recovering from disaster, trying to escape poverty, and engaging in democratic reforms.
Their actual stated goal is to spread American influence and work closely with the intelligence community, so money that helps more American friendly regimes come to power is not off the table
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@Lunatic
This bit of information was mentioned several times and talked about in multiple instances last day phase, to the point where I am not viewing this as a town slip, as was probably the intention.
Pies flip tells us how much to trust your analysis, so I am not buying this. I town read wylted off of the town slip.
Honestly thought not a town slip, AI am not more likely to know what the duck is going on as scum as I am as town
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