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@AustinL0926
But if you believe Moozer is scum here, you'd have to believe he came up with the effort of creating a complex role claim, an excellent justification, just to come up with a terrible excuse for why he couldn't use it.
But he literally came up with the exact some role and made a terrible excuse for not using thay exact same role previously. See post 46
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@TwoMan
Would you say that humanity should move from planet to planet in order to colonize, reproduce and drain the planet of it's resources, then repeat, in perpetuity?
Yes
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I think bullish is drunk lol and he will be different tomorrow
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@MarkWebberFan2
I've already met the dhimmis and kuffars in Muslim majority countries. I think you have a chance of meeting Kuffars in the US though. You can definitely judge them. What would you think about them popularizing islam in a wholesome way?
If you could convince Muslims to take that sort of interpretation of Islam it might be fine but converting new people even to that form of Islam is problematic due to the fact that at least some of those people will begin to study the Quran on their own and figure out the correct interpretation and become terrorists.
You'd have a greater chance of preaching christianity tbh in China. You'd make bank lol.
Christianity is popular in China and North Korea despite being banned somehow. So yeah
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@Bullish
Did you see whiteflame state the following
He fake claimed 2X Doc that game (seem familiar?), and among a number of other issues with the claim, one was that he just conveniently chose not to use it during one NP in the middle of the game so that he could claim he used it NP3 to protect someone. So he has a history of claiming a role that he selectively uses to claim that he can prove himself later.
He looked scummy on a reread of DP1 he had this awkward thing going that scum teams often have where they ignore each other through the DP and interactions with scum partners feel forced. Austin had the same type of vive but not as bad as Moozers.
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@whiteflame
He fake claimed 2X Doc that game (seem familiar?), and among a number of other issues with the claim, one was that he just conveniently chose not to use it during one NP in the middle of the game so that he could claim he used it NP3 to protect someone.
That's the nail in the coffin LOL
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Never mind I just reread and learned how a strengthener works.
unvote VTL moozer.
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Does anyone else have x shot roles and does a strengthener imply there has to be at least one x shot role?
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@Best.Korea
Are you saying that a man should rape a woman who refuses to have children to make her pregnant against her will, since its ethical to make more humans no matter what?
Raping would to a certain extent reduce her freewill and thus level of consciousness, so it is more ethical to have sex with a willing participant.
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Okay let's see what Austin has to say for himself and if he can explain his actions last night
unvote VTL Austin
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Before I go further let me clarify that not all murder is equal. It's why we have degrees of murder in the law books. I would also include suicide as a form of murder and state that any loss of life is a tragedy. Feel free to skip to the section on murder that interests you, however a prerequisite or two on how I decide the value of life.
# What is our purpose
I am not here to defend this. At least not in this post but maybe if anyone asks for Clarification. Out purpose is to expand our consciousness and consciousness in general.
There are two forces in the universe. One that fights for turning all things into automated beings to the point where we seize to exist beyond being philosophical zombies and another force that wants us to be more conscious and it's a battle between these forces I refer to as God and Satan.
While one force turns us into zombies watching t.v. or TikTok and being passive in existence the other makes the universe more aware and you can see it by computers beginning to even exhibit some form of consciousness.
So in my view consciousness is good and turning into philosophical zombies is bad. Now how this belief influences my thoughts on murder will be seen below.
# abortion/infanticide
Abortion is wrong because it prevents consciousness from expanding. From making the world more conscious. However I wouldn't consider it the same level as shooting a stranger in the face. Same with infanticide. I think the punishments for infanticide are too much and of course if a woman has to choose between her health and that of a child it should be her decision and hers alone and she shouldn't be judged for it.
Now you might ask. What about the logical conclusion to this . If it is unethical to abort kids because it prevents consciousness expansion than is it also unethical not to have a bunch of children. The answer is yes. If you are a healthy and stable adult in a relationship with a stable and healthy partner, it is unethical not to have a bunch of children. It's also unethical to be unstable and not pursue a healthy relationship for the same reasons.
# war
Remember I care about level of consciousness as well as amount of consciousness. We can divide humans into savages and non savages. It is unethical to kill savages, however it is more unethical to kill non savages and if we have nations like Israel who are competing with savages for their very existence it is ethical for Israel to do what is necessary so their citizens can survive as well as be fruitful and multiply. This is the same reason that colonialism is acceptable. Not because of non savages replacing savage populations but because colonialism often does a lot to civilized savage populations. I would consider all fundamentalist of all religions savages as well. While Christian fundamentalist is more safe than Islamic fundamentalist belief, both peoples are savages who need to be civilized.
# life extension
Expansion of consciousness should be out main goals and since we have a moral obligation to create more consciousness we also have a moral obligation to expand our own as well as extend how long our consciousness continues to exist. We should seek to obtain physical immortality.
If we assume that we Wil gain physical immortality it makes the following subjects necessary to address.
# Euthanasia
While I was pro Euthanasia because we also not to respect people's rights they way it has been implemented is disgusting so until we can do Euthanasia like civilized humans instead of savages, it needs to be banned.
# space exploration
We need to be concerned about overpopulation as we continue to create more and more immortal people so what Elon Musk is doing to make us a space faring people is important.
# artificial intelligence
We have a moral obligation to try and replicate the brains of anyone who has ever died as well as anyone who might ever exist. We also should be recklessly pursuing super AI .
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@Cerulean
Mine also does.
Did you claim and I missed it?
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@RemyBrown
Here is a comparison
https://nutritionsource.hsph.harvard.edu/healthy-eating-plate-vs-usda-myplate/
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@RemyBrown
I agree, but that's why I said encourage. My plate is what the government currently recommends. What would you recommend in it's place?
It's been a few years since I looked at it, but I think Harvard's healthy eating plate is superior, but generally speaking I would say if you follow the following advice you will be good
Advice
1. No sugar
2. No flour
3. No grains
4. No legumes or beans
5. No dairy
Most people that follow the above rules will gravitate towards nutrient dense foods. If I were to add to that I would say fruits in moderation and red meat in moderation and avoid seed oils.
That's a long answer to say Harvards healthy plate. But Harvard came up with it's plate by using science and avoiding the influence of lobbiests
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@Cerulean
I think moozer is scum. I have a second suspect but I will keep it pined for now
VTL Moozer for death
i just reread the DPs and I am back to my old self now. Lets lynch moozer.
Also hindsight bias but owen was obvious as fuck when I reread and am a bit embarrassed about being so late with him
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Owen was very obvious after his final 2 posts. I honestly wouldn't have voted him if he just went MIA TBH. Nobody other than whiteflame has asked for my claim cerulean has indicated I am in their scum pool. Lunatic put me in their scum pool last dp but there are no other requests so I am just going to chill.
I also would prefer to wait on a claim until everyone has posted as well.
Do we have claims from anyone who has a visiting role at all and if so who I have been a bit inattentive
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@RemyBrown
Would you want the government to encourage people to eat foods that put them more in the blue zone?
Bluezones refer to the areas I mentioned. If you are asking if I would want the government mandating the lifestyles and eating habits observed of those people who live in bluezones I would say no. Undoubtedly most people's lives would be improved by following those guidelines but I find it unethical to regulate.
Currently you have the option to adopt a nutrient dense diet, live a low stress lifestyle and create a community for yourself. The option to be like those people in the blue zones is on you
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I have no problem with a full claim. I think my character gives away my role so I am just going to STFU unless somebody else other than whiteflame wants my claim. I think I am in a few people's scum pools so I am not opposed to full claiming I just don't want to do it unless I feel that enough town members want me to.
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@RemyBrown
Define the blue zone
It's areas of the glove that seem to have a disproportionate amount of people living healthy lives well into the 90s and 100s.
Essentially
Sardinia, Italy; Okinawa, Japan; Nicoya, Costa Rica; Icaria, Greece and Loma Linda, California.
The blue zone studies were done a while back and Okinawa is beginning to adopt a more western diet and seeing their life expectancies drop.
But I would imagine European food is often about as processed as American food. Maybe 20% less, but if a European wants to eat a hamburger, then they will eat a hamburger.
Correct which is why you are starting to see countries such as Germany have life expectencies decreasing at a consistent weight as they start to eat more McDonald's.
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What's important is nutrient density and processed food seems to have less nutrient density and are in fact calorie dense. It also has scientists busy making the food as addictive as possible which usually means stuffing it with fast carbs such as sugar and flour.
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@RemyBrown
And his voters are wrong on the issue of valuing male bodily autonomy more than women's in any state.
It's a matter of condoning literal murder or not, not one of bodily autonomy and the left actually admitted bodily atlutonomy was not their concern when it came to vaccine mandates.
As far as male bodily autonomy is concerned. What is the selective service?
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@RemyBrown
So he did what he did for votes and not based on what he believes?
The important part is he did what his voters wanted. His personal opinions don't matter. His policies do midwit
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@Double_R
The exact same sense of morality is the argument. Since morality is a human construct and we all have the same exact morality than it makes it objective
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This is much simpler than that. Trump is pro choice, but he was elected by conservative Christians and wanted to give them a win so he elected judges who would overturn Roe vs Wade.
They got their win but he personally minimized the damage of that win by making sure it stays at state level. I would say the damage is even lower than you think since every state has exceptions for health of the mother.
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@RemyBrown
If they really want to fudge the numbers, then Trump can win 90% of the vote in an area and they can easily edit it to be 10%.
You are not understanding. The argument is that they have the capacity to cheat but it isn't an unlimited capacity.
So say no chasing takes place and Trump wins by 2% they may have the ability to pictor that but not a 5% difference.
If everyone who votes for Hitler changes their mind, then the issue is settled and the group doesn't get judged
There is a reason everyone hates boomers right now and it's because you don't get to escape responsibility for auctioning your kids future. Boomers are literally the only generation simultaneously hated by the generation before them and every generation that came after. Because we intuitively know they are selfish pieces of shit who harmed us.
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We are hoping that we vote in big enough numbers that their cheating has minimal effect. So I'd they can fudge the numbers by 10% we need to vote 10% harder or something.
Even if kamala wins though and the country slowly turns into Venezuela as a result, if you vote at least you can say that it's not your fault and escape responsibility
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@Double_R
I wanted to point out exceptions due to sociopaths, but I think if we agreed sociopaths lack morality than the moral sense theory still holds true as all those with the moral sense have the exact same morals no matter what culture they come from.
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On the other hand I don't like those last few posts and we do need to come to some sort of decision
unvote vtl owen
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@ILikePie5
He is retarded. And either way this is a WIFOM argument. Now as for being selfish town. It’s just as likely to be Mafia. You were in a Discord with him where he literally CCed someone
If I remember correct I told Jim to do that.
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@Lunatic
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@ILikePie5
It should d be noted that vanilla is like the easiest fake scum claim since op said there was one or more vanilla in the game.
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@Cerulean
Just reread. I just think it too retarded to claim Miller in that spot as a fake claim and his reasoning comes across as selfish town which seems to fit his meta.
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Oh I see yeah the vanilla claim seeming town to me and his comment seeming scummy and his response to very mild pressure also coming across as scummy. I guess some actions he does I perceive as scum tells and others as town tells. It should be noted I don't consider any of those tells to be near 100% reliable just maybe like 65% reliable and needs to be considered with other evidence
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@Cerulean
Okay I have been asked to respond to this
Why?
I legitimately forget my reasoning but I will probably reread at some point and figure it out. Right now have limited time
I hate to break it to you, but that is, in fact, Banana.
Didn't I say I lean scum on banana? I am down with lynching him
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@whiteflame
At this point, I'd much sooner VTL Owen than Banana. I'd like a response from WyIted (particularly to Cerulean's last post) before I hammer.
I have no ideal how to respond tobit but will try
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@whiteflame
That was Banana. You’re talking about Banana in town while sussing her in the same post.
Now I am not sure what to think but I was hoping somebody would tell me who thag was
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@Stephen
What makes me sick is that the even the Pope spouts that line that all western world leaders often spout , that "Islam is a religion of peace".....My arse. This should concern Christians as much as it does any right thinking atheist, Wylted.
It's inexcusable for the pope. Christians should be on the look out for the beast of Revalation which is described as claiming to come in peace but comes to conquer.
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As many of you have undoubtedly heard a one direction band member Liam Payne has died. He has already been replaced by singer Kanye West.
Just after beginning their first appearance with new member Kanye West, Kanye takes the stage and begins to fire each band member one by one.
The one direction is West.
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@Best.Korea
Islam teaches pretty much same things as Bible does...
Not true
Jewish Bible also teaches pretty much same things as Islam does.
Not true
The arguments people attempt to make for this amount to pulling christian or Jewish teachings out of context and also falsely claiming the Islamic teachings are pulled out of context .
You do not know the Quran better than the 9/11 hijackers who read the entire book from front to back on a weekly basis.
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@Greyparrot
Just to add, underestimating people cost Hillary her election, even though everyone agreed on her name
One thing that really hurt Trump is how Roger Stone was a huge reason that an̈ underground classic swept through black America. A documentary on Bill Clinton's African American relatives who he denies. Stone anticipated Hillary's run and was amazing as was a few other political strategists.
Some geniuses are currently working on the same things and seeing their fruit and hopefully it pays off, we just need Trump to win one more time to have any chance of being competitive in the future. If things stay the same it will be difficult for Democrats to win future elections given that red states in 4 years Wil be getting more electoral votes due to the fact people are fleeing blue states because of just how much blue states such as California leave so much people impoverished.
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@MarkWebberFan2
You are correct. I try to personally use the word Islam instead of saying Muslims because I want it to be clear that the ideology is the problem.
However like the Matrix movie has said about people still plugged in. They are your enemy while plugged in. When you have a people who use empathy against you, such as having women and children stand in front of them while they lay down and shoot between their legs and shit like that, they are the enemy and this savagery needs addressed.
You are right that the right wing has a responsibility to be clear that Islam is the problem, and it is sad when Bill Mahar takes a harder stance on Islam then right wing commentators
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@Moozer325
It's honestly fucking annoying and the thing I hate about politics
If you have done any of the following you should be genocided
1. Call Obama Obummer
2. Mispronounce Kamala's name (unless you are Trump given his speech impediment)
3. Call Trump Drumpf
4. Call Bush ..... Busch
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Starting to think banana is not a banana but some sort of other fruit
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Can anyone show me evidence of that sort of over reaction from.banana previously?
I actually think owen leans town now and
My town pool is
Whiteflame
Owen
Me
The other guy who claimed vanilla Have to reread to remember who it was but whiteflame is the stronger town read between the two
Scum pile
Banana
Whoever said they are struggling to get reads on anyone around page 2 of the last dp
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@iamanabanana
vagueness, but didn't actually give a better awnser.I wasn't even going to sign up for this because It's too time consuming and i am tired of people complaining about my activity, but pie was begging me. I told you guys there I wouldn't be that active. If you want to lynch me because I am not super active, then enjoy the mislynch, but this is kind of bogus reasoning.
I believe at the time of writing this you have either zero or 1 vote on you.
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Yes I think plant based is good but the life expectancy of vegans is similar to those on the SAD so don't take it too far.
I spend a lot of time looking at studies on life expectancy and staying on the bleeding edge due to my interests in radical life extension
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@RemyBrown
So plant based has been hijacked by vegans but in the scientific literature and looking at the longest lived societies they have described places I'm the blue zone as plant based despite the societies in those zones eating some amount of meat. For example in Okinawa, before it became americanized the people had a lot of fish in their diet.
In Ikaria Greece lamb is had with a lot of meals.
When we look at societies with heavier meat consumption than life expectancy drops but most of that you can attribute to the amount t of processed foods eaten though.
Americans eat a lot of processed foods but if you look at studies on 7th day Adventist who are vegetarian but still consume dairy and occasionally fish, you'll see they have life expectancies similar to blue zone areas
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@Double_R
This is nothing more than an argument ad populum. That's not how objectivity is determined.
It comes from observation. It's like saying all humans have a heart and lungs.
This is not a reasonable definition of objective by any stretch, and is internally contradictory.
Just like the example I gave with the heart we do know that some humans have an artificial heart or are siamese twins and share a heart but these one in a million examples are just splitting hairs. Can you come up with an example of a society for example that would break the internal moral law
"People should not murder without a good reason"
It all seems like a different level to the same underlying intuition.
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@Sidewalker
The left is non stop playing the victim card
waaah we have to let immigrants in because they are victims of the leftist politics in their nations
waah black people are victims and need DEI
waaah women are victims and need to murder their babies and make more money for being useless HR ladies
waah trannies are victims for not being able to do a strip tease for your child
The left is literally just comprised of a bunch of pussies crying about needing more welfare and the right is legitimately just people that promote meritocracy
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@RemyBrown
Why? Scandinavia has really high taxes and they have a higher amount of economic freedom?
The economic freedom index uses about 20 different markers
But then their economic freedom would drop to be more like ours.
They aren't that far above us but no they would rise even further in the economic index by dropping those policies.
Now, what I would do is common sense: Cite life expectancy of the countries with UHC vs the ones without it (assuming they are all 1st world). Let me know what you get.Life expectancy won't be a biased measure I think.
that article actually provides a case and I already explained in a debate why life expectancy is a bad marker. Life expectancy is more strongly correlated with lifestyle choices. Those on a Stadard american diet do worse than people on plant based diets. For medicine you would need to look at things like survival rates for emergency situations.
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