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@Stephen
And you have evidence for what Christians call the "soul" actually existing while scientists cannot even name it never mind prove its existance.
Only evidence we have of a so-called soul, is that there is something in us, that holds moral values, and our personality's, that isn't connected to our physical body. The rest is just faith.
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@Stephen
So what do you believe to have left?
Your soul. What makes you, you.
What do scientist call it?...
Again, science is still trying to do tests, on what makes you, you, and how that connects to your physical body. Of course they probably won't ever get any results from it, because it is something supernatural, and does not follow the laws of science.
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@ludofl3x
You argument is logically incoherent: there can be no free will if god (a) planned for everything and (b) knows the outcome of every person's every decision, ever. You can't design something specifically to make errors and then get mad at them making errors. It's your design, you set up the rules, you fix it.
Your looking at it the wrong way.
God made us. He made us with free will. So we have free will to either follow, or run away from God.
The bible even says time works differently here than in heaven, so you can't make a logical distinction from that.
The bible uses this as a reference that God made time, therefore has control of time, and knows the whole past present and the future.
God doesn't get mad at us for making errors, he is upset with us, when we don't have full faith in him. Him, knowing what we are going to do, doesn't logically contradict us having free will. He knows what mistakes we will make, but those mistakes, we made.
He didn't design us to sin. He designed us to be with him, but to have free will. Adam and Eve caused that sin to enter the world, so it wasn't by his own design that we sin.
This makes sin more powerful than god, is that what you believe? It's kinda like god's kryptonite?
When you have good, there has to be evil as well. Otherwise everything is either perfect, or the opposite.
God is perfect, with no sin in his presence. If sin were to enter into his presence he wouldn't be a perfect God anymore now would he?
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@FLRW
Ya seen Biden lately buddy.
Can't even describe America.
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@FLRW
If your consciousness isn't present then, under relatively minor trauma to the brain, how could it possibly survive death? Seems pretty obvious that the physical brain in good working condition is necessary for consciousness. Also, permanent brain damage can completely change a person's personality. Did that mess with their "soul" as well? Which is the "real" person?
Not necessarily.
We obviously know that something ties your soul perse to your physical body in a way, but we don't know how.
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Trannie is not a derogatory term, because Trans people are deluded.
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@AleutianTexan
Again, a lot of grey area.
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@Stephen
So, let's say you die.Your body is still present.And it is deadSo, let's say you die.Your brain is still present.And it is dead. You forgot to mention that the heart stops beating and that decay and rigor mortis starts immediately to set in.But something must have left because otherwise, you would be alive.So what do you believe to have left?
Scientists are still studying what most people would call your soul. Something beyond your brain.
So, what ties your "soul" something that has no connection to your body, to well........your body.
When your body fails, why does your soul fail as well?
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@Intelligence_06
Theoretically nonexistent" and "actually nonexistent" are different. We theoretically pay men and women the same salary per job, but somewhere on Earth there is probably some shady workshop paying men and women differently.The topic, in respect to the leading post, is equivalent to saying (Population 1&2 have the exact same mean) when all we know is that we can't reject the null hypothesis yet.
Yes, I should have put, just in America, in the title.
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@RationalMadman
You are actually correct on this one except for higher end salary negotiations. That is where there has been both a racial and gender pay gap.
No, this is actually non-biased with gender, or race as well.
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Either we include Hispanic, Native American, Indian, White, and Asian month along with Black History month,
Or we get rid of these months and stop dividing races into certain months.
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@AleutianTexan
Back to the squatter example, is this different than putting someone outside in the cold where they freeze to death without helping them.
Putting someone outside in the cold, who doesn't have the ability to survive, without helping them, would be considered illegal.
But with not helping someone there is a lot of grey area with that answer, so I wouldn't be able to answer that directly.
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@Sidewalker
You know this a religion forum, right?
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@AleutianTexan
The legal framework of you must help those you can stop from dying from preventable deaths does more to indict those with incredible wealth and those who interact with the homeless than a women engaging in an abortion.
Well, it depends on the situation. What would be the specifics of the situation?
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@TheUnderdog
How about this: Every drag show that lets children attend needs to hire police officers to make sure no pedophillia happens to children.
That is a great idea.
I am in full support of that.
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Men and women get paid the same amount.
The only reason that men are getting paid more than women, as of right now, is because they are working harder jobs, longer hours, and more dangerous jobs, than women are. The women who do work harder jobs, longer hours, and more dangerous jobs, get paid the same as men who work those same jobs, and more than most other men.
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So White Trash is ok to say,
But Black Trash is racist?
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@ludofl3x
Oh, okay...so god didn't know what would happen, then. But...I thought he knew everything, couldn't be surprised?
He did, but stopping us from making that mistake, would be taking away our free will.
Curious...so there's something beyond god's capabilities! Wait, but that would make him less than all powerful....
No, he could but it would contradict his own teachings. If he was in the presence of sin, then he would not be pure, sinless, or omnipotent.
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@Double_R
Arguing that something could happen is completely useless. Anything could happen. If you get on your car right now you could die in a car accident, but I’m pretty sure that’s not going to stop you the next time you need to go somewhere.What matters is what’s reasonable to expect, and I just explained why this does not lead in that direction. Again, nothing about the left’s demonstrated values is contradicted in any way by the constitution, in fact it’s the exact opposite. The right is the side right now that seems to want to do away with it.
Ok? I'm not making it a huge deal. Just saying people think that free speech should be taken away. Not saying that it is going to be.
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Wrong. People are crossing legally beyond the LPR numbers. Did you read the article?
Yea, about 200,000 added to that your right.
400,000 is still less than 500,000 though.
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Look asshole. You created a post using a fake video showing Biden giving a racist, bigoted speech about transgender people.You title the thread “Biden gives speech blasting “trannies” which is a offensive term but you are too ignorant to know that because of your white trash upbringing.Then to top it all off, you declare that you now support Biden for 2024 because of the fake bigoted comments.YOU ARE DEPLORABLE. You are the ignorant racist. You are proof that bad parents can pass their ignorance on to their children. Hopefully, you don’t and won’t have any children just like TWS, and the genetic bad seed will end with you.
Oh no. We offended the democrat.
EVeRyONe GEt DOwnnn!!!!!!!!
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@BrotherD.Thomas
“The Lord said to Moses, “Say to Aaron: ‘For the generations to come none of your descendants who has a defect may come near to offer the food of his God. No man who has any defect may come near: no man who is blind or lame, disfigured or deformed; no man with a crippled foot or hand, or who is a hunchback or a dwarf, or who has any eye defect, or who has festering or running sores or damaged testicles. No descendant of Aaron the priest who has any defect is to come near to present the food offerings to the Lord. He has a defect; he must not come near to offer the food of his God. He may eat the most holy food of his God, as well as the holy food; yet because of his defect, he must not go near the curtain or approach the altar, and so desecrate my sanctuary. I am the Lord, who makes them holy.’”” (Leviticus 21: 16-23)
Well, you need to look at the context of the passage. This is what incompetent people of Christ do. They look at the scripture in just the verse, as if there is no context to what the verse says.
The Lord told Moses that "he must not go near the curtain or approach the altar,"
God is not saying that these people, can't go to church, but that these people in the Old Testament cannot become priests, or them themselves give God offerings, rather they give the offerings to the priests, who were able to go in the curtain, in the presence of God.
In the Old Testament, and only the Old Testament, people who had sin, could not go in the presence of God because they would die. But when Jesus died on the cross, he broke the veil, and man could be in the presence of God.
This verse is not saying that handicapped people cannot be Christians and once again you are taking the Bible out of context.
Also how does this equivalate to parking spaces?
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"Recent Trends. Approximately1 221,000 noncitizens obtained lawful permanent resident (LPR) status in the second quarter (Q2) of Fiscal Year (FY) 2022 (see Table 1A). Approximately 96,000 noncitizens entered the United States as new arrivals, a 148 percent increase from FY 2021 Q2."
So, yea less than 500,000 have crossed legally, and how many have crossed the border this year?
"There were 571,159 encounters of Venezuelans, Cubans, and Nicaraguans arriving between ports of entry during FY 2022—more than the 520,602 encounters of migrants from El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras."
571,159 + 520,602 = 1,091,761 illegal immigrants, recorded in just one year.
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Only a baby white trash redneck would call that bigoted speech articulate. You probably think Hitler and Mussolini were articulate too.
Articulate: "having or showing the ability to speak fluently and coherently."
So yes, Hitler and Mussolini were articulate.
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That’s a lie. But you do admit they are not entering the country illegally to start with, so your original statement that they are increasing crime by coming here is also a lie.
They do, because they don't go to their court date, so it's illegal.
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@Stephen
Then it is not unconditional is it?
It is unconditional. The act of stopping someone from entering heaven, does not mean that God does not love us. Like I said before, he even loves the people who are in hell.
Why must we fear him?
The fear of God is not being scared of him. It is understanding his strength and respecting it.
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@AleutianTexan
when I said we should just let the women take it out and let it survive. Saying that you said the issue in question is not the act of killing it and it's a matter of helping it survive is using YOUR words. If you are simply against the act of killing, then a women can remove the fetus, not kill it, and anything that happens is not her fault. If it's a matter of her having to help the fetus survive, then I go back to my previous question you keep avoiding, in your ideal world, to what legal extent, do we have to help another to survive? If you don't have an answer to the Catch 22, just say it.
I mean take this example for instance:
If someone is choking, and someone who knows CPR is watching, and does nothing to help, they can be held legally responsible.
Now, of course there would have to be grey area, because the world, isn't all black and white, so yes, some mothers would just take the fetus out and leave it to die, and nothing would happen to them, because of the lack of evidence tying them back to the crime. But of course, you could DNA test stuff.
But it's still not the extent of saving someone's life compared to helping them. You put them in that situation and left them. If a mother takes a fetus out of her body and leaves it to die, she left the fetus to die. She put it in danger, knowing that the fetus would die. It's the equivalent of forcing someone on a boat, in the middle of the sea, with no supplies, and not helping at all.
So, to answer your question, legally, we should hold people responsible who have a chance of saving someone (who is in a lethal scenario) and deliberatley don't at least try to save a person in some sort of way.
But this could go as far as calling for help. And as always there will be grey areas.
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@Sidewalker
God is a triune God.
Jesus was fully man, and fully God.
It's hard to explain, but think about it like this:
You have a body, right? And you have a brain.
Now your brain has a logical side to it, and an emotional side to it. That's why the phrase, facts don't care about your feelings is so true, because your emotions don't line up with your logic all the time.
So, let's say you die.
Your body is still present.
Your brain is still present.
But something must have left because otherwise, you would be alive.
You yourself are a triune entity, because you have a brain, a body, and a spirit.
You have three different aspects to yourself, but you are still one person. One human.
That's the best way that I can explain God to you.
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@PREZ-HILTON
Ok after some research into it, I think that China probably wasn't lying.
I mean, why wouldn't they send undetectable drones to spy on us, instead?
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These people - yes they are people, are not sneaking across the border. They are going to the authorities to seek asylum or legal residence. Just like your white trash ancestors did years ago.
Exactly. There not sneaking, and all the border control can do is tell them to make it to their court date and let them in the country, but surprisingly, they never go to it. Hmmmmmmmm, I wonder why.
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@PREZ-HILTON
It's obviously fake, because he's actually articulate.
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So the increased crime in the US from people coming across the border is the actual acts of coming across the border? That’s brilliant.
Coming across the border illegally is illegal.
That proves even further, that crime has jumped up.
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No, just anti-white trash
Being anti-American, and racist, is = to being anti-white trash?
Wow. You didn't even defend yourself.
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@Greyparrot
Maybe the balloon is looking for Hunter's laptop.
Made me laugh out loud, lol.
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@Best.Korea
The plan is to encourage people to live this way.
Ok, well in that case, I don't have to argue with you. I may not want to live that way, but I'm not against people expressing how they think people should live, but don't have to.
The way I see it,if everyone agrees to not eat meat, then the meat industry will be abolished as no one will eat meat.If plenty of people agree not to eat meat, farmers will reduce the number of cows they have.In this case, meat industry will be reduced.The plan is not "to make it illegal" in any sense.
Well, I guess more meat for me then, Lol.
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@Best.Korea
The title of this thread, is, "Great plan to abolish "meat industry and factory farm" and save the animals."
I clearly said "if they agree", not "they must agree". Each individual has freedom to disagree and do what he pleases.
So are you saying we should encourage, people to live this way, and not make it a plan to abolish it/make it illegal?
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@ludofl3x
Technically speaking, speeding is an actual crime, but I'm sure you mean something else. And no, what I'm doing is demonstrating that more tickets don't necessarily mean speeding or traffic violations are increasing, the same way more arrests do not in and of themselves reflect a rise in crime. More cops on the street means that the guy who yesterday was smoking a joint on the street and got away with it, may be arrested today for doing the same by one of the new cops. That's not a rise in crime. It's a rise in enforcement. You can take the rise in arrests and then do further research (I know, you hate that word!) to figure out if a rise in crime is real, or if more arrests mean better enforcement, but it's just one component. Critical thinking bro. Read up on it.
Ok let me spell it out for you.
More crime would equivalate to more arrests, in the same way, that more arrests would equivalate to crime. This is not a hard concept to grasp.
When more people commit crimes, more people are going to get arrested. It's common knowledge.
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@TheUnderdog
But I’m not sure what proportion of youth drag shows involve that.
Do you think it is okay, for little girls to do sexual dances in front of adults, with barely any clothes on?
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@Best.Korea
Surely a less of an evil than killing a cow.
And killing a cow is less of an evil than killing a human.
Unless of course americans agree that one liter of milk daily is enough. That being said, 0.6 liters is usually enough, but I feel generous.
Making a law, on how much someone can eat or drink in one day, is taking freedom away.
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@Best.Korea
No, I already said we only need 700 million cows for milk, but we have over a billion.
Yes, because people have the right to buy as much meat as they want. Sure they should buy just as much as they need, but enforcing that would be taking away American rights. The demand for meat is really high.
Meat wont be replaced by milk and eggs, but by plants and milk and eggs. Out of those 3, plants are dominant.
Yes, but again, you can't live by plants alone. You would have to have a steady source of milk and eggs as well. And to do that, with high demand from the American people eating as much as they buy, you would have to mass produce milk and eggs, therefore farming cows, and chickens in factories.
Of course, we could replace milk and eggs with insects, but until I see more insect farms and eating insects is not being looked down upon, I will rule out insects as a solution.
Also the fact that killing insects would hurt their feelings, and make them suffer.
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@TheUnderdog
I would have to see what you’re referring to. I’m not sure if a kid being exposed to barely clothed people is pedophillia. Otherwise, we couldn’t take our kid to the beach with hot girls in bikinis.
Good point, but the difference is that these drag queens are telling the kids to "make it wet" and letting them touch parts of their body that are inappropriate. Also showing naked parts of their body, and calling it a snack.
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@ludofl3x
No, my friend, I'm afraid it's just one possibility.If your town had ten traffic cops who sat on ten different roads one year, and twenty on twenty roads the next year, do you think traffic tickets in your town would rise?
Your comparing traffic tickets to actual crime.
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@Sidewalker
How do you reduce crime, you make more arrests.Tough on crime = more arrestsMore arrests = less crime.
Yes, but you can't make more arrests, unless you have a reason to.
More crime=more arrests
more arrests=less crime
But unless that number is going down, then that means there is a steady flow of crime.
More arrests=less crime
More crime=more arrests, and if more arrests being recorded, that equivalates to more crime.
The only way arresting works, is if the court system imprisons the criminals, and doesn't let them free.
Criminals go back out after being arrested, and when there is no charge, they commit more crime.
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@ludofl3x
So if he's all powerful and all knowing, how did he fail at this goal? I mean if he can't be surprised, he'd have known that he'd view every one of his beloved creatures as disgusting filth worthy of eternal unspeakable torture.
Because he gave us free will. And we decided to do that.
THen we can agree this love is in fact CONDITIONAL, right? And if we can't believe in him the way he wants, why doesn't he provide some substantiation that he's there, that he does love us, do you think?
It's unconditional, because his love for us will never disappear, even if we are in hell.
He loves us, but can't be with us because of our sin.
So where did they go? According to the bible, I mean. Purgatory isn't in the bible, it was invented by Roman Catholicism, in response to this very problem, and is still subject to debate today. Not all Christians believe in it, specifically, Protestants largely reject the purgatory idea entirely. So, let's just use the bible, otherwise you'll end up having to explain why one tradition's addition to the bible is wrong, and others aren't. So, according to the bible ONLY, where do people who don't go to heaven end up? Where did, for example, the Native Americans end up? The ones who died through 1491.
I'll have to ask God, when I get to heaven. But purgatory, is a good explanation for it.
2 Maccabees 12:41–46, 2 Timothy 1:18, Matthew 12:32, Luke 23:43, 1 Corinthians 3:11–3:15 and Hebrews 12:29
All examples of purgatory.
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@Double_R
So if I post an hour long video for you despite not even bothering to type any words to explain what it is I’m trying to argue, you’re just going to watch the whole thing without question?
Yes. As long as you claim something as well. I claim stuff as well, as provide evidence.
Words and phrases have actual meaning.CRT has an actual meaning.“Subject X is being taught in schools” has an actual meaning.When you assert something, but the something you are ultimately talking about does not add up to the meaning of the phrase you used to convey your original assertion, that’s being intellectually dishonest.If it’s not in the curriculum, it’s not “being taught in schools”.What you are talking about is a subject that often comes up in classrooms (because quite literally everyone in the country is taking about this) and the teachers share their opinions. But because you don’t like their opinions, you have decided to advocate for a world where educators are now barred from sharing their opinions.That isn’t just pathetic on its own, it’s the complete opposite of what you pretend to believe with regards to free speech.Don’t ever again argue that there’s a problem of free speech in America, because you and people just like you are its biggest offender.
You do know, that saying "Don't ever again argue that there's a problem of free speech" is telling someone not to say something............just sayin.
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@ludofl3x
Yes it does.
More arrests = more crime.
The number doesn't suddenly jump from 1.1 million - 2.3 million just because of fake or false alarm arrests. In shows an increase of crime.
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@Best.Korea
In that case, they should become vegetarian. Vegetarian food is much cheaper than meat and doesnt spoil as quickly.
Ok, but we would still need to mass produce eggs, cheese, and milk.
I doubt it would take away any rights. It is on voluntary basis. No one has to become a vegetarian or stop eating meat or stop factory farming. However, a farmer has every right to stop factory farming if he chooses. And buyer has every right to stop buying meat, if he chooses.
So your arguing that we should just stop mass producing animals, but then give out solutions that require the mass production of animals.
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@ludofl3x
I've done so, and find your argument poorly supported and unconvincing. I think I've made that clear enough. Your evidence is cherry picked.
You just stated you refused to look at any youtube links or any evidence I provide.
Your evidence is non-existent. Mine is based off of many sources, not cherry picked.
Try to find kid friendly drag shows, and that will be cherry picked.
sets and subsets.
So drag queens are also trans people?
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@ludofl3x
Like muslims and jews, they don't go to heaven, and not only that, they're tortured eternally. Or like a kid who dies at less than a year old, that was born in India...sorry Charlie, into the pit of eternal damnation, right?
In Romans 1:20, it states:
"For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse."
God shows himself to everyone, so everyone has a chance to trust and believe in the true God.
As for little children, the bible is clear about how baby's, young children, and some of the truly mentally disabled people will enter the kingdom of heaven.
"I believe that God is clear in Scripture that He welcomes into heaven each baby who dies, born or unborn (Ps 139). And this extends to young children and the mentally disabled who die before they are able to understand salvation. God is not silent on this question."
What about people who were born before Jesus?
Before Jesus, people were un-eligible to get into heaven. No one could.
But God made a promise to those who were faithful and loving to him. They didn't go to hell when they died, they went to Purgatory. And when Jesus died on the cross, he went to purgatory, and freed all the faithful servants' of God and let them into the kingdom of heaven.
Also, how do you or I deserve eternal torture at all? I didn't do anything to Jesus. It kinda sounds like he doesn't like any one of us, at all, much less love us.
We do.
God created everything we know.
God gave us intelect, emotion, and a world to live in.
God let us live with him.
Yet we as sinners disobeyed his will, and broke the bond between God and man.
We sin everyday and blasphemy God everyday, yet he still loves us, and gives us a chance for eternal life.
Heck he even sends his own son to die for all of our past, present, and future sins. And yet still we condemn him.
He created us to be with him. But we can't be with him, unless we are absolutely pure. And we broke that ability.
Even after all of that, he only askes us to have faith in him, and love him. And we still can't do that.
So yes we deserve eternal torture, for condemning, and blaspheming the creator of the universe.
Heck even the ability for you to ask this question was given to you by him.
We are using what he gave us against him.
He does love us.
And we do deserve eternal torture.
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