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If you learn Jewish law, you would know that, according to Jewish law, causing the harm (that is, the financial loss to the owner) even indirectly is theft which is liable to judicial action. If your solution to this is to blame demons, then no one needs to be responsible for actions because, hey, "demons."He also cursed a fruit tree and it is a sin to cause damage to a fruit tree.
I say again:
It isn't sin just because it is a law.
So no laws. Got it. He must be sinless then because he doesn't follow laws? Great...great.
Jesus didn't break all of the laws. He listened to the Lord, on what was right.
Man's decisions on laws can't counter against the Lord.
You are missing the point, possibly intentionally. I am using the account of his actions within the book YOU value to show you that according to YOUR definition, the religion is false. I don't have to stipulate to the factual nature of the account, just that YOU think it is factual so you have to accept the consequences.
No, you are missing the point.
If you are trying to prove to me that God doesn't exist, then you have to use evidence that you agree with, or else it's a contradiction.
And let's consider, that you do believe that. Even if you did, it wouldn't work.
It isn't stealing if you cast a demon into an animal, and that animal ran away.
That would be like me saying you shot a gun next to a herd of sheep, and those sheep ran away.
Gun=Demons in this scenario.
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@TWS1405
So, you're just going to point out your complaints on my grammar?
Wow such a strong argument.
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Come on genius, get your facts straight
I did, their is nothing wrong with my facts. Actually your facts are wrong.
All I said was, that by the end of Trumps gas prices were lower than Biden's. That's True
In fact, by the end of Trumps term, the gas prices were $2.27.
Then two years later, (aka now) the gas prices are, 3-4 dollars. But that's not even the worst part.
In 2021 the price for gas was 3.01. So in the span of one year, Biden increased the gas prices, by almost a whole dollar.
If your gonna argue Trump had bad gas prices, because they were up like 50 cents, then explain why Biden has raised them a whole dollar, and in some places, two dollars.
Plus your wrong. Trump had better gas prices the Obama.
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I am using the story as told in a text I don't value to show that even according to your logic, your own text testifies the falsity of the religion. I can use the text of Harry Potter to show that Harry Potter is sinful also if you would like.
This is flawed logic.
You are both trying to prove that Yahweh doesn't exist, but your using his supernatural power as evidence?
Well.....ok then.
When we look at the story of Jesus casting the demons into the pigs, he is not stealing them
Definition of Stealing: "take (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it."
Jesus did not take the pigs with him, nor did he make them run away. He cast the demons into the pigs, and the demons caused them to run away.
His action made the outcome. He did not steal the pig, therefore not breaking the law or sinning.
No, he broke laws. If I drive 56 miles per hour in a 55 zone, I am breaking the law even if I think it is a dumb limit designed to trap drivers into getting tickets. That makes me a law breaker. Sin has to do with breaking laws. Jesus broke laws, therefore he was a sinner. QED.
Breaking laws because you want to, vs, breaking a law because it is wrong, is two different things. Yes if you speed, then you are breaking the law, because you knew that it was illegal and the law is beneficial to help people. It isn't a sin to break the law, if the law was something like, if someone says something wrong then they will be killed.
You can still have laws that are morally bad. Jesus doesn't run by laws, he runs by morals.
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In Jewish law (remember, he was Jewish supposedly), he caused it so he is responsible for the result. So, a sin.
So your evidence for him not being god, is doing something supernatural? Hmmmmm......
There was no Christianity. Jesus was supposedly a Jew, breaking Jewish law. Remember, you said" If the person who is responsible for starting a religion is with sin, then that religion is false." If Jesus is responsible for starting Christianity, and, as you concede, in Judaism (he was Jewish) he was sinful, then the religion he starts must be false.
Laws don't negate sin. Their are many laws in many countries that are sinfully in themselves. Raising taxes because of greed is one example. So he did not break the law, he just understood what was sinful and what wasn't.
I sense that some people might disagree with your claim to facts behind the bible.
Yes.....and?
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Filling up is now as cheap as it was in February, just before Russia’s invasion of Ukraine touched off a global energy crisis. AAA reported the average nationwide price of a gallon of regular Wednesday was $3.50, and gas price tracking company GasBuddy projected it could drop below $3 by Christmas. And all of that relief probably helped drive robust shopping over Thanksgiving weekend.
Yea but it was way lower when Trump was president. They were below $2 a gallon.
Biden just made the gas prices skyrocket, then calmed them down.
The Biden Administration isn't doing anything better, it's only fixing its own problem.
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@rosends
Give me an example of this. This is a lie and a false statement.Jesus himself lived a pure life, and faced all the hardships of humanity.The whole point of Jesus sacrificing himself, wasn't just a show.Jesus, showed God, that it was possible to live a sinless life, therefore, people can enter the kingdom of heaven by accepting Jesus as there lord and savior.His sinless body died on the cross for our sins.Here are some resources
First of all, this link is false. It is taking the bible out of context.
Let me give you and example:
"Not far away there was a large herd of pigs feeding. 31 So the demons begged Jesus, "If you are going to drive us out, send us into that herd of pigs." 32 "Go," Jesus told them; so they left and went off into the pigs. The whole herd rushed down the side of the cliff into the lake and was drowned. 33 The men who had been taking care of the pigs ran away and went into the town, where they told the whole story and what had happened to the men with the demons." Matthew 8:30-33.Here we have a clear case of Jesus stealing a herd of pigs. Why do I say he stole them?Well, ask yourself: did these pigs belong to Jesus?Nope.Those pigs didn't belong to Jesus per the Christian bible.Are pigs wild?No, they are domesticated meaning they belonged to someone.Were they running wild?Also “no.” The Christian bible tells us "Those tending the pigs ran off” Matthew 8:33.
This is taking the bible out of context. Jesus cast the demons out of a person who was being tormented by them, and he cast them among the pigs, the animals.
The fact that the pigs ran away, was not his felt, but the demons who were in control of the pigs.
To assume that this was Jesus stealing is preposterous.
He healed on the sabbath (which is a sin)He encouraged others to break laws (like laws of food and the sabbath).There's more, but there you have it. He sinned according to Judaism, so by your logic, his religion is false.Then of course you make the ridiculous claim about dying for another's sin which is not a thing in Judaism...
Yea your right, in Judaism not Christianity.
I think you are arguing about a different religion.
Jesus did not go by Judaism's laws, in fact he revoked them when he argued with the high priests and called them out for their sins.
Until it was forced on people, it wasn't a large number. You conflate the population before and after. Thousands (still an unprovable claim because it relies on the bible testimony) isn't all that impressive.
Yes, but it is was still proven historically to be a religion.
I would suggest it doesn't. Do you think science can explain the magic in the Harry Potter books? Fiction is like that.
Well to compare the Bible to Harry Potter is very stupid.
The Bible is based in facts.
Harry Potter is based in fiction.
And really, the fact is that their will never be blatant truth and there will never be hard concrete evidence of Yahweh's existence, because again, God wants us to love him, and if we only base this faith in facts, and only accept god because the facts are right, then that is not true love, the thing that God wants most from us.
So no their will never be hard, concrete, physical evidence of Yahweh, but their is still no evidence to this day, that the bible contradicts itself, or that Jesus contradicted himself either. Their is a lot of evidence proving his existence and resurrection.
Now whether you believe that or not is up to you.
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but then I am confronted by the level of injustice in this world and it kills my belief.Injustice was too high a price to pay for ‘free will’. And hard on injustice’s heels is senseless suffering. I cant believe in a loving God when people suffer such terrible things in their lives.
This is actually a reason why a lot of people don't want to believe in him for.
But let me ask you this:
If we did not have free will, would we be able to love?
The answer is no. You cant force someone to love you. Just as God wants true love from us, he cant force us to love him either.
The injustice in the world is very sad. And it makes God sad as well.
But it isn't a reason to not believe in him. If anything it proves his existence even more.
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He is unable to differentiate between propaganda and actual facts.
You feed into the propaganda from the media that Trump is an evil person, when in fact he is not.
Who is not going by actual facts?
According to his bio he is just a high school kid so cut him some slack I guess.
What is it with people complaining about my age. I have a 4.0 GPA and am a grade above where I am supposed to be. I have intellectual conversations, and am able to argue very strongly against controversial ideas. Nothing to do with my age.
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@rosends
I guess that Christianity is false then because according to Jesus' own religion, Judaism, he sinned. Thanks.
Give me an example of this. This is a lie and a false statement.
Jesus himself lived a pure life, and faced all the hardships of humanity.
The whole point of Jesus sacrificing himself, wasn't just a show.
Jesus, showed God, that it was possible to live a sinless life, therefore, people can enter the kingdom of heaven by accepting Jesus as there lord and savior.
His sinless body died on the cross for our sins.
So then it isn't a function of proof and you might want to stop insisting that you can prove it.
I have literally spent this entire time proving it.
No, you have claimed it
Claiming it is saying it happened without evidence, just simply claiming.
I have provided valid proof of his existence. It is up to you to believe it or not.
two problems -- the first is that you are still relying on a faith based book to make your supposedly historical claim
Well, if you looked at my evidence (the links in my argument) then you would see that evidence.
Try reading The Risen Jesus & Future Hope by Gary Habermas.
That will help you understand the historical part of it.
Did all the people who accepted Jesus first doubt? Or maybe they had no opinion. Was the group that big? We don't really have any evidence of that. Remember, it took an act of an emperor to force people to adopt the religion.
Actually, that wasn't the start of Christianity, you are false.
You are stating that an emperor forced people to worship god, therefore, that's when it started. The religion itself actually started after Jesus's Resurrection, which was sparked by his disciples, who led thousands of people to God.
so it is a matter of numbers? The 1.6 Billion Muslims and 1 million Hindus just aren't enough? Since Christian belief came by the edge of a sword and by an emperor's fiat, is it really valid?
Numbers is just an extra addon to the proof. It is a matter of historical continuity. Muslim, and Hindu don't have that much type of evidence when it comes to events that scientists cant explain.
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That's the eseence of the special pleading -- you assert a nature of God and because of that nature, God must exist. But nothing is proven, just claimed.
For certain aspects of Christianity, you have to have some sort of faith to believe in God.
I could say the same for Science. In fact, you actually have to have more faith to believe in science, than to believe in God.
But I have already proven the existence of a higher being in one of my first posts. Then all I had to do was prove was that Yahweh was the one true God. I have done both, therefore the claims that cant be proven, you must have faith in, based on my other evidence.
Then to the question of "why would people leave to spread a message if it wasn't true?" and the answer to that is "because some people are easily influenced and are looking anywhere for a sign to drive their lives."
Yes, but there hasn't been any other case in history, where that big of a group of people go from mourning, and doubting Christ, to risking their lives to spread his word, in the span of less than a year.
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I found a website that says "scholars agree that Buddha existed" so there goes your claim.
I don't see a link to that website.
Also, scholars do agree, that Buddha was also a bad person. If the person who is responsible for starting a religion is with sin, then that religion is false.
Jesus was without sin. He lived a sinless life. Therefore he was God.
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But today, many people believe things -- does that make every object of belief a reality or truth? Is every conspiracy theory a proven truth?
Yes, but how many other beliefs have this much evidence, and the most religious followers in the world going over 2 billion followers.
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Yea, Ye needs mental help lol.
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@Novice_II
People don't see that from conception, human life is intrinsically valuable.
They just want to argue that it is not, so that they can have the freedom to have sex without boundary's, and kill whatever they don't desire.
If the whole world worked like that, then everyone would be getting rid of everything just for convienience.
They can't just kill a baby just because of their own convenience.
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No. He was taken to a tomb privately owned by his secret disciple Joseph of Arimathea that was inside private walled garden where his wounds were treated with medicines brought to the tomb by his other secret disciple Nicodemus and he recovered from his trauma.
Why would they take him to his tomb, if he was still alive?
No. His crucifixion made them despair and lose hope. The mission had failed. He hadn't live up to what was expected of the promised Messiah. And most of his following had deserted him and well before his arrest because they knew it was doomed to fail .The promise by god that he would "inherit the throne of David" didn't come to fruition either..
Then why did all the sudden, soon after his death and resurrection, did all of his disciples all at once leave their families and risk their lives in the name of Jesus?
And they were lying. They hadn't witnessed anything.
That's not a valid point. Saying to someone you lied isn't a proof of lying. You are just assuming they lied, because you don't want to believe it.
In 1543 Nicolaus Copernicus proved that the sun didn't revolve around the earth, but instead the earth revolved around the sun. A lot of people believed him to be lying for the same reason you believe that the disciples were lying.
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Wouldn't the same question be applicable to a God idea? How did God "come into existence"? If you claim that God was "outside" of the flow of time then you have created a special pleading. Your conclusion, necessary for you to sustain a belief, is just a claim with no proof.
God didn't come into existence as I explained in post #103:
"God is eternal without a cause because he lives outside of time. Think of it like this:
In a metaphorical sense, there is a box, and in the box is all of time/space. God doesn't live in the box. He lives outside of that (outside of time and space, things he created.)
He can stick his hand in the box and affect things, but he doesn't live inside that box."
So any theology which has a text in which its idea of God declares itself to be God is equally valid.
Well no. Go to any other religious text or history, and you will find little to no proof of its actual historical existence.
But Christianity has actual proof.
Seven moves into more reaction, built on a foundation of belief. 8 and 9 are the codification of that belief, and no one has to disagree that someone thought that a restaurant serving dogs was a good idea so he built it. This doesn't mean it was a good idea, just that he believed it.
So, how did all of those people all of the sudden go from mourning gods' death (which actually did happen) to immediately leaving their homes and families to go risk their lives to spread the word.
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@TWS1405
Your just mad.
Just make sure not to be a crybaby about it ok?
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@Dr.Franklin
Deism is completely different from Christianity and asserts completely different beliefs.
Yes, I know this. I'm not an idiot. I was referring to the fact that they all had some form of religious belief.
Yes, that is Jefferson, not:
many of them
We got to this point by establishing the New World Order based on liberalism.Your link is fucking bullshit. The only "evidence" is that the founding fathers claimed rights came from the "creator". He then falsely interprets this as the founding fathers appealing to God. But, the deistic "creator" is a lot different than the Christian God.
Yes, their deistic creator was different from God, but how many religions do you know of are based in moral values. Almost all of them actually.
So, the constitution was based in moral values.
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Ok now I will prove with evidence that Jesus/Yahweh is the one true god.
Proof that Yahweh is the One True God.
1: His testimony about himself.
Now I know what you're thinking. Gods' testimony about himself isn't evidence. But you would be wrong.
"But Jesus remained silent and gave no answer. Again, the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?”
“I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.” (Mark 14:62 NIV).
"Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” (John 8:58 NIV).
"But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”
Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” (Matthew 16:15-16 NIV).
Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” (Matthew 16:15-16 NIV).
"My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[a]; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.” (John 10:29-30 NIV).
“You call me ‘Teacher’ and ‘Lord,’ and rightly so, for that is what I am." (John 13:13 NIV).
"Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really know me, you will know[a] my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.”
Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”
Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?" (John 14:6-9 NIV).
Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”
Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?" (John 14:6-9 NIV).
All of these examples show God telling us that he is God, which someone who isn't God wouldn't do.
So, this isn't mind breaking evidence, but it is evidence.
In the wise words of C.S. Lewis," Someone who claims to be God is either a liar, a lunatic, or the Lord." (C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity Book III, Chapter 3).
So, let's pick one of those. If he's claiming to be God and isn't, then he isn't just a great moral teacher, he is either a liar, lunatic, or the Lord.
2: The Eyewitness Testimony of those who Knew Him.
If we look at it historically, there are many people in the bible that existed historically. They weren't just characters in a book of story's; they were real people who actually existed.
Consider this:
Jesus disciples abandon their occupations and their families to spread the news that Jesus Christ, the son of God, rose from the dead. And they were willing to be beaten, tortured, starved, jailed, and killed for sharing that message.
Now those kinds of things have happened in other religious traditions too, but the difference is this:
These people were actual eyewitnesses to what they were claiming.
So how likely is it that all of them would sacrifice so much, for something they knew to be untrue?
3: The Resurrection
The Resurrection was when Jesus rose from the dead in front of hundreds of people. Now that is not something a normal person can do.
Now I know that a lot of people will ask for proof that the resurrection really happened?
The argument for the actual historicity of the resurrection, comes from this man:
Professor Gary Habermas.
He studied more that 2000 academic sources, and identified several pieces of evidence, on which the vast majority of scholars believe.
Scholars who were both Atheist, and Christian, believed him and his evidence.
Almost all biblical experts agree to this historical timeline.
"Almost all Biblical experts agree that:
1. Jesus died by crucifixion.
2. He was buried.
3. His death caused the disciples to despair and lost hope.
4. The tomb was later found empty after his interment.
(accepted by 75% of scholars)
5. The disciples had experiences which they believed were literal appearances of the risen Jesus.
6. The disciples were transformed from doubters to bold proclaimers.
7. The proclamation of the resurrection took place at the very beginning of the church.
8. They preached the message of Jesus's resurrection in Jerusalem, where Jesus had been crucified and buried.
9. The gospel message centered on the death and resurrection of Jesus.
10. Orthodox Jews who believed in Christ made Sunday their primary day of worship.
11. James, a family skeptic, was converted to the faith, when he believed he saw the resurrected Christ.
12. Saul (Paul) was converted to the faith because he believed he saw the risen Jesus."
Gary Habermas, The Risen Jesus & Future Hope, 2003, pp. 9-10.
Now let me ask you this:
If an overwhelming majority of experts agree that these things actually occurred, then what other theory explains these facts?
And If Jesus really did resurrect from the dead, then was he really just a man?
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- Say, the Universe has a Creator, God. Prove to me Jesus / Yahweh is said God.
Ok first I will prove that the universe was created by a god, then I will prove that God to be Jesus/Yahweh, in a later post.
It all comes down to time.
Definition of Time: "the indefinite continued progress of existence and events in the past, present, and future regarded as a whole."
Time itself had to of had a beginning.
"So, people attempt to construct alternative theories where gravity and thus space and time can be described as quantized fields. However, irrespective of these ideas, there is always a transition from the quantum to the classical realm. Even if linear flowing time wouldn’t make sense in a quantum space-time, it has to as the quantum cosmos transitions to the classical cosmos, we live in. In a sense, as Saint Augustine had remarked some 16 centuries ago, space and time emerge with Creation. Here, Creation is precisely this transition from a quantum to a classical time. Time begins when it starts ticking, that is, when physical processes take place in the background of a classical space-time. Anything that happened before has been erased from cosmic memory."
"You couldn’t think of a distance between two points or of a time interval between two events. Everything fluctuates wildly. Physics as we know it falls apart."
Time is measurable. It's called spacetime.
Definition of Space Time: "the concepts of time and three-dimensional space regarded as fused in a four-dimensional continuum."
Now that we have gotten that out of the way, we can move on to The Big Bang Theory.
The Big Bang Theory
"The Big Bang Theory is the leading explanation for how the universe began. Simply put, it says the universe as we know it started with an infinitely hot and dense single point that inflated and stretched — first at unimaginable speeds, and then at a more measurable rate — over the next 13.7 billion years to the still-expanding cosmos that we know today."
Ok now we take both of those claims and put them together.
Time had a beginning, which is when the universe began.
That is when the Big Bang happened.
Now I ask all of you this.
How did the "infinitely hot and dense single point" come into existence, at the beginning of time, if there was nothing there to create, that point?
Answer is: There was something there to create that point, and that thing was a god, or a higher being of some sort.
That is just a scratch of my evidence proving a god, now I will return with evidence proving why the god that created the universe is Jesus/Yahweh.
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It is an affirmed FACT that 89-94% of ALL abortions are done BEFORE 14 weeks gestation, the MAJORITY of those being done BEFORE 6 weeks gestation.
Less than 1.3% of ALL abortions are done AFTER 22-24 weeks gestation for very specific legit reasons
That's not how it works, genius! FFS! You have absolutely NO requisite knowledge of this subject to even be engaged in it. In other words, you are an uneducated fool arguing as though you think/believe what you're arguing is truth whereas everyone else is false. That makes you the poster child for the Dunning-Kruger Effect.
If I had no knowledge on the subject, then why are you arguing with me, and getting upset when I make valid points?
POTENTIALITY =/= ACTUALITY!!!Never has. Never will!!!
It doesn't mean it always will, but there is still a big chance, when you are talking about pregnancy.
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Nothing non-living creates those things.
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Eyebrows, hair, testicles or ovaries forming, and/or an immature but albeit functioning underdeveloped organ does NOT = fetal viability.
Yes, it does, and you know it.
You just don't want to be proved wrong.
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Your nonsensical post #32
You can't even reply to that post, because you know I am right.
Your only response to that is that it is nonsensical.
I am showing the facts and you don't like it.
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Your question/Statement:Well miscarriage isn't abortion.Yea it is. It’s a “natural” abortion. The females bodily defensive mechanism to keep her safe from potential death.
Yes, but it isn't done on purpose. It isn't the mother's decision. It is a natural process, though very sad.
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I’m both pro-choice and pro-life.Pro-choice up to 22 weeks gestation.Pro-life after 23 weeks gestation.
Then after that I asked you the reason, and you replied with fetal viablity.
Then I asked the question:
"A baby is in the womb and will be born into a living breathing human in a couple of months. It is okay to kill the baby if you don't wish to have them in your life.
Well, if you agree with that logic, then you should agree with this too:
An adult human is in a coma and will wake up from the coma in a couple of months. It is okay to kill the adult if you don't wish to have them in your life."
Then you replied with:
Nothing
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Birth is the transition between pregnancy to child/baby, not before.
I responded to this response with the question," Does the vagina of a woman dictate what a living human is?"
And you have yet to respond to that question.
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Baby: a very young child, especially one newly or recently born.No it doesn’t.Reading comprehension problems?“Newly or recently born” = a very young child.Birth is the transition between pregnancy to child/baby, not before.
"a very young child, especially one newly or recently born."
Look for yourself.
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t’s not [a] living human (being) either.And don’t be a dick about it either.It’s not distressing, it’s fucking annoying when people use the wrong term to describe that which it doesn’t even describe.A lump of coal isn’t [a] Diamond.An acorn is not an oak tree.A block of wood isn’t charcoal (burnt wood).So on and so forth.Your last statement (er, question) is a strawman. Never said or remotely asserted what you’re misconstruing.
You are comparing coal and acorns to a human fetus.
Thats not answering the question with facts, that's just comparing it with a nonsensical reply.
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Still want to debate this? You will only embarrass yourself as you did here.
Yes, I do, but you keep declining.
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I’ve answered all the legit questions.I’ve ignored the sophomorically banal questions.
No, you've just ignored my questions.
You can't use, you are being older and wiser as an argument. Thats just not how it works.
There are a lot of older people, who are way smarter, and have gone to school way longer, and still are stupid and can't grasp basic concepts.
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Thats the whole point I'm on this website, is to improve my grammar skills, and debating skills.
But that is not taking place here.
This is just you are dodging question after question.
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No, you need to learn to not dodge arguments.
You obviously need to work on that.
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Listen, you can sit there for as long as you like and say you don't want to debate me, because of my lack of grammar, reading comprehension, counter arguments, the fact that you are older and more intellectual than me, but the truth is that you are just using those as excuses. I am making valid points that you are scared to argue against, therefore you are changing the conversation, to get away from those valid points.
You still haven't answered my question of:
Does the vagina of a woman dictate what a living human is?
Your answer to that was:
Educate yourself.
and
I have countered back. Each time you’ve ignored it and googled some Page or Dictionary definition, neither of which you understood and proceeded to use incorrectly upon rebuttal.
Those are not answers. You are just dodging.
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- MISS TRADESECRET!
- Miss Tradesecret runaway tactics\
- MISS TRADESECRET, whose gender went from a “MAN TO A WOMAN,” and then to “OTHER,” then went to her being 53 years old, then 12 years old, then changed to being 14 years old, Debate Runaway on Jesus' true MO, Bible denier of Jesus being God in the OT, the runaway to what division of Christianity she follows, the pseudo-christian that has committed the Unpardonable Sin, the number 1 Bible ignorant fool regarding the Noah's Ark narrative, SHE SAYS THAT OFFSPRING THAT CURSE THEIR PARENTS SHOULD BE KILLED, states there is FICTION within the scriptures, and is guilty of Revelation 22:18-19, 2 Timothy 4:3, and 1 Timothy 2:12. She obviously had ungodly Gender Reassignment Surgery, Satanic Bible Rewriter, she goes against Jesus in not helping the poor, teaches Christianity at Universities in a “blind leading the blind” scenario, and is a False Prophet, says that Jesus is rational when He commits abortions and makes His creation eat their children, and that Jesus is rational when He allows innocent babies to be smashed upon the rocks, will not debate me on the Trinity Doctrine or the Virgin Birth, has a myriad of EXCUSES not to answer your questions, and says that the Bible contradicts itself, and she is "AN ADMITTED SEXUAL DEVIANT!!!!!”
- Are you trying to be more Bible dumbfounded than Miss Tradesecret?
- the new Bible fool YouFound_Lxam is vying to be more Bible stupid than Miss Tradesecret
- NEXT BIBLE FOOL LIKE "YOUFOUND_LXAM" THAT WENT TO TRADESECRET'S SCHOOL OF HOW TO RUN AWAY FROM POSTS THAT YOU CANNOT ANSWER, WILL BE ...?
- Just like Miss Tradesecret
- At least Miss Tradesecret has a pal in being as Bible stupid as she is
Also, you really seem to like this Transecret person, because you are bringing them up every two seconds.
And last I checked, when you accused Transecret of dodging your questions and then leaving, well I just checked that forum, and Transecret had the last word, not you. And it was a response to your argument.
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You’re a train wreck. I’m not wasting my time getting into a debate with you. Your description sucks. You didn’t even set the parameters right.
Ok well, I will just be known as the guy you couldn't argue against out of all the people you have so called," beaten" on this topic.
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@TWS1405
If you accept my debate, then we can go more into depth on the topic.
And you can show me all of your evidence that backs up your claim.
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You asked why I was more of an authority in the subject than you
Being older and more experienced is not a reason.
You can use that age and experience to make a reason, but the age and experience itself does not matter, unless you have reasons that reflect that age and intellect.
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How have I ignored it; I literally used your source as evidence.
At least accept my debate, I would love to go more in depth with you on this topic, given that you have all this knowledge about it.
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See, I am a Trump supporter, but I think it was a kind of stupid decision to run in 2024, given all the fraud.
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@ILikePie5
LOL.
This guy just hates trump, he doesn't actually hate the republican party and their beliefs.
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@TWS1405
Also saying that you are older and more educated, while it's a good thing, is not a valid argument.
Instead of just saying you are smarter, use your knowledge to counter and argue back.
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- The top reason for abortion (25%) is not being ready for a child, <0.5% victim of rape.
Using your source, I found this.
This is what I am talking about. The top reason for abortions in the USA, is purely for convenience.
0.5% are because of rape.
And even then, rape is not a valid reason to get an abortion.
This is a bit personal, but I have a friend, who's mom is a rape victim, and she is the rape child. The mom kept her instead of getting an abortion. I really know and care for this person. And to see that people all across the world are getting rid of their rape children is sad. Those kids could have grown up to be their own person. Yes, rape is very sad, and I believe that all rapists should be castrated, or killed.
"about 700 women die each year from complications of pregnancy."
Out of the 8 billion people, that is literally .00000875% of people in the world
AND 60% of those are preventable.
"Every pregnancy-related death is tragic, especially because about 60% are preventable."
"Preventing pregnancy-related death every step of the way.
During Pregnancy: Improve access to and delivery of quality prenatal care, which includes managing chronic conditions and educating about warning signs.
At Delivery: Standardize patient care, including delivering high-risk women at hospitals with specialized providers and equipment.
Postpartum: Provide high-quality care for mothers up to one year after birth, which includes communicating with patients about warning signs and connecting to prompt follow-up care."
So, there is no reason, except in extreme, extreme cases, where an abortion is necessary.
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Those then male dominated fields decided to use it as a way to control and subjugate women.
This is false. The men who want abortion banned are the ones who want to save the millions of children who are dying by the masses. Again, I say, it isn't the woman's decision, because it isn't the woman's body, it is another human being that we are talking about.
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These are the same men that sterilized Native American women without telling them.
Ummm...all of those men are dead.
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And can we at least come to the agreement, that abortion for just purely convenience is wrong. Because if we can do that, then we can focus more on what you're using as evidence.
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I never said a man cannot have a position on the subject of abortion. You are confusing me with someone else.
My apologies.
I know the legal ramifications of the subject, and I know how to investigate/research the legal issues surrounding it. In addition to being an experienced investigator (my former law enforcement experience) and advocate for veterans who writes lengthy well researched and documented appeals for veterans, researching medical information, I know the medical aspects of this subject of abortion. That includes but not is limited to psychology, physiology and biology. Bottom line, I am more knowledgeable than you on this subject; and my reading comprehension skills and command of the language exceeds yours.
The fact that you have all this knowledge and experience, and you still believe abortion to be okay, is still concerning though.
I know you are older than me, and that does make you more intellectual than me, but still, (I will use terms that aren't emotive), It is millions of humans, who have futures and future lives, that are being killed by the masses. If you are going to support that with all of the knowledge that you pertain, then you aren't using that knowledge correctly.
Now can you please answer this question, even though you believe it to be stupid:
Does the vagina of a woman dictate what a living human is?
If no, then what dictates that?
I know you already answered one of those questions, but just please restate it, so I can work from that, and clearly see your view on the topic.
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Oh, and as far as you’re concerned here at this site… I [am] the “authority” on the abortion topic. And that goes for anyone else here too.
But your profile says male. And according to you, if you are a man, you're not supposed to have a say in the matter, so why do you get to be the authority on the topic.
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[a] and [an] =/= all.
Ok so can we at least agree on this:
Abortion is not morally ok for people who just want to get them for convenience.
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