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@ILikePie5
Where is he when someone gets banned for their controversial opinion?
This isn't an issue of a controversial opinion, it's an issue of doxxing/threatening/harassing another member. I am for freedom of speech, and as part of that principal I support everyone to have whatever opinion they like without fear of being threatened in any way. That includes threats from the moderators, and threats from other members. If this was a moderator threatening a member with a ban because of some controversial opinion, I'd be the first to their defense, but that isn't the case here.
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@zedvictor4
What's what?
Hey, how's it goin?
It's kind of been my style since even throughout the course of my DDO days to keep a bit of a low profile. I like to spend my time working behind the scenes and then when I have something to update, to make a post then. I like to think that operating in this way makes my posts more meaningful, and then when people see me post they will believe it is typically something substantive. That's not to say I wont occasionally post something of little value, but I don't want to habitually post things that aren't really necessary.
I don't have anything to update at the moment, but I assure you that I'm working on some things, and that once I have something worth sharing with the community I will do so. It's not my intention to be vague, but it's the early going of my plans, and right now it mostly involves the boring aspects that I can't really provide much of an update on, but I do look forward to being able to provide some updates, optimism, and good news in the near future.
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Well I'm town, wish I would have gotten some more time cuz I just got home, but just be sure to lynch Sui tomorrow
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I’ll post my role justification when I get home... I protected WF last night
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I am a babysitter... which is a doctor but if I’m targeted it kills me and my protectee... so now my role has no utility
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Sorry for the inactivity. I don't have the time tonight to read through this DP, but I will try to when I have a chance - hopefully tomorrow.
In the meantime, the least I can do is offer my character claim.
I am Helen Pierce.
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okay I mean I hope that it can not be super high pressure as in at least between debates there can be a break but either way I'd like to sign up.The default round is 2 days per on this website but I will appreciate 3 days per instead.
This is supposed to be a casual starting tournament, so I hope no one feels too much pressure... and there will be at least a few days between each round of the tournament.
I figure 3 days per round should make it a bit more casual.
It'll be nice to have you in the tournament, thanks for signing up.
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And is it to be open-debate or unrated with preset judges?
Open and unrated.
This tournament is gona be pretty simple. In future tournaments I plan to consider some of the other options, especially with set tournament judges, but this is gona be as open as possible. If there are contentious voting issues the tournament host will resolve those issues.
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Hey Dartians! Welcome to the sign-ups for the February DART Tournament. This Tournament will be hosted by Lunatic, who will handle all Tournament details and assist with whatever participants may need.
February DART Debate Tournament
Basic Debate rules:
4 rounds, 1st round acceptance, one-week voting period, 3-day argument time
This tournament will be for the first 8 people that sign up.
However, if 8 people have signed up already, please express your interest anyway, and if enough people are interested we can increase the participant number to 16 and/or start an additional tournament to run alongside this one.
This tournament will not have any topic restrictions. A list of suggested topics may be supplied, but debaters can choose whatever topic they agree on. However, once the Tournament challenge period begins, debaters will have a limited time to begin their debate. If time expires, the Tournament host will choose a random topic for them.
This is a basic vanilla tournament, and mostly as a gauge of interest and proof of concept. I intend to utilize other ideas in future tournaments, but wanted this one to be as basic as possible.
I'm looking forward to seeing an entertaining tournament. Good luck to all participants.
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@ILikePie5
Hello. Who are you voting for?
Just voted WF
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Not gona full claim. I am a power role, not protective. Role claiming will diminish the utility of my role. I have no results worth revealing currently. My results will be revealed in due time however.
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Alright so I'm gona character claim now:
I am Asuna Yuuki
Paraphrased role PM:
("You are" change to "I am")
I'm one of the strongest characters in Aincrad and both gorgeous and fierce.... I am prone to fight for those who are in trouble and protect those around me.... My fierce resolve is what makes me a force to not be trifled with and this has always kept me ahead of the pack in terms of both level and power.
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initial reads with minimal thought that I'll expand on later
Lunatic - Leaning town. If he was scum I doubt he'd say that he has info that would confirm a townie (i.e me)
Dd/computer - null
Earth - null
Wylted - Null at the moment. though this is complicated. I could see a scum gambit to save WF justifying a complex redirector gambit explanation... but idk, I need to think more about this
Pie - leaning town. I don't see any reason scum would pull some fake cop gambit to fake guilty results on someone at this point. Unless he has some crazy role that could throw a wrench into everything and make us forget the Inno outcome of his gambit, this just isn't a worthwhile move for scum.
Whiteflame - Based on behavior, town. In fact based on everything town, aside from the guilty result. The problem here is game mechanics, roles, and Wylted night actions, all throw a huge wrench into this entire thing, making the guilty result high suspect.
Sui - null
Max - this guy is shady as hell
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Just gona do a train of through kinda thing as I read through the DP
I'm a bit surprised that GP picked Supa for his kill target... if I recall correctly there was an FOS on him, especially for his delay on voting for GP... mighta been easy for scum to get a mislynch there, but perhaps I'm misremembering this.
Warren kill is weird... and I hope everyone reads his abilities.... I'm not sure what to think about this but I'll get back to that... Is it possible Mafia team is all dead and we are now against a 3rd party? I know this would be an unusual mechanic (since the game should end), but it's the only explanation I can think of at the moment, unless there is a third scum... but then there is one mafia left, and at least one 3rd party, I think this is a fair bet in any case... but it does beg the question of who was the mafia NK then...
Pie is cop and got guilty on WF... interesting... behavior-wise I read WF as town, and he did have good analysis of GP who flipped Mafia... Assuming Pie's result is accurate (and not a mechanic - like Miller) then WF is probably 3rd party and not final Mafia... DD offered good analysis of why Pie probably isn't pulling a scum gambit here, and I'm inclined to agree.
WF claims Doctor... hmmm, I'm still reading him town on behavior but this is a tough call... I'm leaning towards believing both Pie and WF right now... I'd rather think it's a framer or mechanic thing, but I don't know
Holy cheese a CC on Doctor by Earth, now I don't know what to believe... I had no read on Earth whatsoever in last DP, and still don't
So Luna has some info indicating I'm town, nice... I'm curious what that might be, but probably not worth pushing that right now... and I agree with Luna that this could be 2v2v7... perhaps two entirely separate mafia teams, rather then 2 mafia and 2 3rd party
Geez so Wylted did some stuff... this makes me doubt the guilty on WF more, and might explain why warren would be the NK... not quite sure how this all adds up yet, but it certainly throws a wrench into things
Pie makes a good point about Wylted's role essentially being a redirector... and that WF could still be scum... but the whole thing still concerns me
Still reading WF as towny based on post #53... not sure why really, but it just doesn't come off as scummy... not saying he's not scum, and we'll have to analyze all the result we have, but I'm definitely not sold on anything at the moment
so that's my random thoughts reading the DP, I'll do what I can to make them more coherent in a bit
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@ILikePie5
Anything to contribute Mr. President?
Just got home, reading the DP now... I hope to have something worth contributing in the next 15 minutes
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Reading DP now, will post my thoughts after or tomorrow evening
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@ILikePie5
Did Mikal ask y’all to confirm if y’all were playing before sending a PM?
argh, I don't want to engage in this but fine...
no. he sent me a text message saying my role was in discord... that was it... but mine might be a unique situation since he didn't need to confirm since I already told him via text I was playing, and I'm probably one of the few players where that's even an option for him
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@Wylted
I misunderstood you. What do you think of the above post. GP is the lynch and he targets pie.
I don't care about the role PM time thing... and that seems to be all the Pie FOS is based on, so I don't care for it at all... I'm taking a neutral stance on people engaging it, it's semi pro town/semi scummy so null really... but I'd rather no one engage in it... but I get that its a method, I just don't like it, so I'd like to ignore it
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@Wylted
If we didn't have airmax CCing GP right now, I'd be lynching pie, because his PM seems to be different than mine.
Wait, what? CC still stand for counter-claiming right?
I'm not counter claiming GP... I think Miller is scummy, A miller with any action is scummier, and I think WF pointed out why the behavior makes it scummiest
Also I'm not a Miller... so definitely not a CC
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@whiteflame
Been thinking on it. As waifus go, Lucy is an odd choice. She’s the protagonist of Elfen Lied, and while there are certainly gratuitous nude scenes, the series is mainly known for its gore. I personally found her off-putting, especially given the trauma she was subjected to and how that affected her psyche.
I don't know what the hell you are talking about, but how haven't I ever seen this. I'm gona have to look this up now. Quality insight I'm gona assume though.
I will say that what stood out to me most of all was GP being so dodgy about a full claim. It’s unusual for him to not full claim immediately, and from the sound of things, he has no reason not to claim based on his role since it’s mainly anti-town utility (Miller-esque role with some negative repercussion for lynching him). This isn’t his meta.
This.
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@Greyparrot
If I get lynched I have the option of killing someone that voted to lynch me when I die.Also, when I die I will flip as a member of the Mafia. So when I do die remember there will be more mafia than expected. I don't wanna get yelled at for not disclosing this at the start and fucking town over.
Fair enough, and seems like a role Mikal might put in the game... can I get your role justification?
I guess we can kind of gleam some legitimacy out of this if we decide to lynch GP and he follows town instructions (provided in advance) on who to kill that was on his lynch - if we can even muster such a scenario that's actually beneficial
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@ILikePie5
What are your thoughts on Wylted lying about the time he received his PM?
Don't care. I don't wana win this game cuz some member of the scum team screwed up some technical issue.
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@Greyparrot
I am Lucy (Kaede). I win with the town.
Hey GP! Great to be playing forum mafia with you again...
Full Claim. Miller with night actions... I think it should be obvious why that's scummy, and I don't wana get bogged down on this for the next 3 DPs and/or lynch you with a lack of information...
VTPPARSTAIMBRFTT (Vote to politely present a referendum suggesting that an individual might be removed from the township)
GreyParrot
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I'm gona entirely ignore the entire mod pysch sign-up nonsense... might be legit, might be a way to find scum... I don't care anyway
seems like most of the DP was about the above, so I'm gona ignore it
First thing of substance is from GP:
"I am Lucy (Kaede). I win with the town.
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role seems to be a type of miller role where I will turn up as guilty
on investigations. I also have a night action I can use. If you need me
to explain more, let me know."
Don't know the theme split yet so the character means nothing, anyone who who this character is and have thoughts on it?
Miller claim kinda sus... I guess I would like to know more, I'll ping GP in a follow up post... "Miller kinda" that has a night action... scummy af... we'll need to get to the bottom of that or else we'll be harping on it until he's lynched....
Wylted:
"That pretty much town confirms me, if my vote was stolen. It's also really suspicious GP has not claimed yet."
I mean, if the mod confirms the stolen vote sure, though I think your vote was eventually tabulated so clarify if I'm missing something... Also GP partly claimed so I'm not sure if it's still scummy, but the claim is certainly scummy on its own.
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And that seems to be literally everything that has happened so far
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@Lunatic
max are you scum
Perhaps in my real life, but not in this game. In this game I'm a cute animated girl and I win with town.
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Wazzzzup Ya'll!!!
Happy Scumming/Scum hunting, it's good to be back and playing some forum mafia...
I am gona read through the DP now, and vaguely make some insinuations and/or provide thoughtful/pointless insights as soon as I can
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so why didn't you help it then, all these years?
I was in retirement. I came out of retirement because I was asked to, and then realized it could reinvigorate the same passion I had.
or,
I didn't care to, and then I did.
I'm not sure how much better I can explain this. I have a passion for the type of work I am being asked to do here, but I also wanted, and deserved, a break from it after more than 6 years of trying to do it for DDO, and the way that it ended.
To be clear, and perhaps say more than I should, I am passionate for the work. It may not be about this community in particular, because I don't know half of the community, but I will and I'll gain a particular affinity towards this community soon enough, but it's about the work. I wasn't a part of DDO for that long when I took over the responsibilities that I did, or even particularly connected to that community at the time, and I don't think anyone is questioning my commitment/motivations there.
I do view this as a good faith discussion about my motivations, and lack of connection with the community. Those are fair criticisms and I'm not sure how more I need to concede or explain to suffice the inquiry. I have some ideas that I think can help, and I'm excited to try to get those ideas to work. If it's being insinuated that my motivation is some kinda narcissistic vanity exercise, then I'll just say that you are mistaken and time will tell.
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I think I hear a whisper, so I check my fridge crisper, and there's nothing but food,
I keep hearing the noise, but maintain my poise, and simply shrug let it go dude.
I don't want no beef, I'm the IDGAF-in-Chief, and it's not my intent to be rude.
I'm here on a mission, Airmax DART-edition, so let's drop the make-believe feud.
I took a break, for my mental ache, but I'm back to get some work done,
I did not flee, I just had to be free, but now that I'm here let's have some fun,
I stuck it out, until my final shout, I bled DDO until I was forced to run,
Stop with the lies, I got DDO blood in my eyes, sorry not sorry that I actually won.
I know how to feel, but I just keep it real, no need to cite my emotion,
I may be reserved, but not if it is deserved, with wits like the depths of the ocean,
I can emote if in need, and demote you with speed, I'm a warlock with a swag potion,
DART knows I'm here, so I just want to be clear, all will soon know my devotion.
You wana talk about power, then you better cower, I really know how to type,
I'm here with my keyboard, a rappin debate lord, vastly surpassing even my hype,
I can say a complex word, like haven't you heard, and say that your round wasn't quite ripe,
But that wouldn't be cool, let us get back to school, and I'll just complete this rap snipe.
I hear what you're saying, don't think I'm delaying, I just got here to win,
I'm just here for the working, no risk of me twerking, my victory is only to you a sin,
I admit to being on break, and best for your sake, cuz now you'll take it to the chin,
You can dish it out, and I wont even shout, I'm just gona sit back and grin.
But I don't want this to be mean, so let's keep it clean, I think I can be a friend,
I want to help DART, like a fine piece of art, and answer always 'but will it blend',
I want to disprove the unfair view, it's simply not true, I think it's time we did mend,
Because the goals we do share, as I really do care, and that isn't ever going to end.
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@spacetime
you're awesome bro, good to have you back
Thanks, it's good to see you again too :)
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@Wylted
I can probably guess who that was. It's funny, that had zero impact on me. You were the biggest factor in that decision. It must have taken a lot of restraint not to respond.
Yeah, I just ignored it and felt a weird sense of guilt and frustration, and then perhaps relief since the situation was pretty much over. I had respected your style of pushing the limits to whatever degree before that, even if it did annoy the hell out of me, and I respected you even more after that since you accepted my "advice" (if we can call it that) and resigned. I think my greater respect may have contributed to my even greater feeling of guilt since it made me entertain in ever greater clarity what a Wylted presidency would look like.
It's funny, before I felt any pressure, when people asked me about the situation, I simply replied, "Yeah it might be problematic, but you can't criticize a winning strategy". I must have repeated that 2 dozen times. I was pretty quick to turn around on that once the weight of public opinion started hounding me for some type of resolution to the issue.
I appreciate that. You talking to me here, has helped in that regard, even though I have assumed you probably changed in that time, like we all have.
That's true, though even though we may have changed to some degree, it's not something we ever really talked about, so I'm glad that we finally have had the chance to.
The point I am making is this. If you have a conscience, even without my level of maladptiveness, you'll end up feeling regret for something else.
True, and the more interactions you have with people, and the more chances you have to upset someone, makes it more likely to regret certain things. In my personal life I can get a bit OCD about things, pulling people I work with aside to clarify that something I did wasn't intended as a slight. Most of the time they laugh at me, and assure me they didn't take it that way. But it's something I think about more than I probably need to. I proof read all of my posts a couple times just to be sure I'm saying things the way I like... and then I sometimes read them again and wish I would phrased it slightly differently. But yeah, I'm sure even in the next few months I'll wish I could have done something differently, but I don't want to feel like anything I've done is out of some type of lazy malice, or inability to find a solution that is best for everyone. I mean, I'll make mistakes, but I certainly don't want to look back and consider if any of those mistakes were in flippant disregard for the feelings of others.
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@Lunatic
OH I do max. Doesn't stop the "OMG he's bullying me!" Accusation in the slightest.
I'm not disagreeing with that. But knowing that, you should realize it's a waste of your time now. Besides we are gona be too busy soon to engage with that kind of stuff. We have a glorious DART to build, and the 3rd world wont exploit itself, so there's no time to waste on making excellent well thought out arguments just to have a response of merely calling you a barmy naff plonker.
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@Mikal
I hate to put you on the spot and there are people that have read this and prob wondering why you aren't responding to RM. The reason you are ignoring him as you outlined? You find the end result of that conversation unproductive?
I addressed this earlier. I think there actually might be some value to the issues presented in some case, but don't want to engage with the individual for the reasons described above, or I feel that the issues presented aren't being brought up for productive reasons, and are probably a waste of my time.
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@spacetime
Can you get Bluesteel and Raisor to join DART?
Probably not, but that would be great.
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@spacetime
Can you release an official, direct statement about whether you support or condemn Lunatic's and Mikal's conduct in how they've campaigned against your opposition and behaved throughout this phase of pre-election?
No, though I suppose I can speak casually about my thoughts on it. I don't like there to be any animosity between members. I truly would like us to just all get along. So to that extent, I don't support any kind of negative behavior between members. I'm not necessarily going to condemn it, but I don't necessarily support it. I tend to just breeze past these things, but I'm pretty well aware of the events leading to these types of things. If I'm being attacked by another member, it's understandable that my supporters are going to try to defend me. I'm not going to criticize them for that. I can also understand that once these back and forths happen that they can escalate pretty quickly into an area that I would personally be uncomfortable to be involved with. But I'm not micromanaging my supporters. They understand that I like to be as civil as I can at all times, and probably know I'm not going to engage in just outright attacks on my character that I couldn't possibly begin to reply to (for some of the reasons described above) and they take it upon themselves. I think the spirit of that is commendable, but I would once again urge all of my supporters to take the high road in all cases. If someone escalates the situation to outright personal attacks, compliment their fine choice of verbiage, then carefully pick apart their arguments with precision and professionalism. That'd be my approach, but again, I don't expect everyone to follow this at all times, and if my supporters are getting into escalated flaming, I can probably assume that both parties are to blame. I did urge my supporters in my campaign OP to avoid this for the most part, but again, there are probably some exceptions, and I know that sometimes it happens. Will I condemn them? No, they were defending me from statement they likely saw as justifying their reaction. But I would ask that everyone tries harder to get along, and focus on more important things. Moving forward I am optimistic that this will be less of an issue.
Do you endorse how Lunatic and Mikal carried themselves and treated Ilikepie5 and RM during this election?
I think we should just assume that I disavow everything, whether I said it or someone else, unless specified otherwise, just assume I disavow - for whatever that might be worth.
I believe there is a worthwhile discussion about what value I place on civility, and people can see through my actions, and the way that I interact with others, how much I value this. I don't like seeing animosity between people, but this is a public forum, and things are going to happen. There's a certain amount of inevitable escalating disagreement that will occur, that I might not be comfortable engaging in, but I understand that vibrant and passionate disagreement may result in such things, especially if it becomes personal. If I saw someone just attacking someone out of nowhere in a personal and awful way, I'll condemn that, but I think we both know that's not what we are talking about here. Nonetheless, and I say this to everyone and no one in particular, taking the high road in all cases really does work out pretty well in the long run.
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@Wylted
Thanks for telling me you are willing to talk about these things
I'm happy to rehash history, especially the more complicated things I may have regrets about. It's not my intent to make my new presidency the Airmax absolution tour, for the couple of things I may feel guilty about, but to be as candid as I possibly can be, because I'm not here for political games. I'm here to get some things done. I started on DDO in my 20s and I'm now almost 40, I'd like to think I have more wisdom now. The situation described above is a complicated one, but I don't want to justify or rationalize any part of my role in it. I have some regrets from the past 10 years, but don't plan to have any more if I can help it. To that end I'm going to be as candid and up front about everything that I can. I recognize the diplomatic and measured style you mentioned earlier can be viewed as insincere, and while I don't have any intention of changing my communication style, I certainly do want to be more casual and relaxed and just let all the chips land where they may without trying to control anything - especially the perception of things.
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@Wylted
RM, legitimately wanted you to win....Dropping out was a seriously selfless decision on his part.
I agree and I certainly respected that.
You not only bowed to a vocal minority on DDO, but you were pretty aggressive about getting me to step down, even writing my resignation speech.
There's a reason I brought this up, and it's because in the entire time I worked on DDO, I can probably count the number of things I'd do over again if I could on one hand, and this is probably one of them. And it's not because of the more superficial reasons, the presidency itself or some political nonsense, but because of what you have described. I do feel like I could have, even should have, done something differently, and so I remember it well.
I thought more about the path to victory than I did, about when I won the office. I saw the victory as an endpoint, that would set me up to do good things. Instead I should have seen what came after the election as an end point. Giving myself a thinner margin of victory, to make the real platform more effective, would have been preferable.
I think there is an important lesson here for both of us really since you articulated it that way. The way we win really does matter. If we get tunnel vision on victory itself, and compromise on our principals than that victory can be permanently tainted or problematic to some degree. You did win, but you won in a way that had half a dozen members at least spamming me angrily. Some demanded I declare the election illegitimate, but I knew I couldn't do that since there were no rules for that. There was no precedent for that. I couldn't, and wouldn't just declare your victory void, and I said as much to those hassling me about it.
I really should have just left it there. It reminded my in some way of my annoyance by the rape-battle debate. I had several members angry at me that I did nothing. I was literally being called a rape apologist by some people privately. But I wasn't about to censor the debate or temp-ban you or anything because I didn't, and still don't believe in that type of censorship.
But again, in the case of election, I probably should have just done nothing, but the angriest members probably got to me to some degree and I considered what options I actually did have. I couldn't declare the election void, and I also felt like I just couldn't do nothing, so I took the route I probably feel the worst about in the end, and I somehow convinced you that resigning was the best option. The ironic thing is that to the members most angry at me, they still spammed me about doing nothing, since they had no idea that I had even talked to you. I literally had one member link me to the resignation speech that I wrote, saying something like, "you are worthless and did nothing here, I got Wylted to resign, go to hell" or something essentially like that because I didn't share the fact that I was the catalyst for that.
Part of me still feels like the case I was making, that this is what is best for the site, that this is a tainted election and whatever case I made, is true, but I'm not sure I should have opined on it at all. I think that while I may have gotten the outcome I wanted, which was that we moved past it all because you resigned because I convinced you to, I'm not sure that was a good way for me to "win". Just like I'm asserting to you that the way we win matters, in the end of that entire scenario, I certainly didn't feel like I won anything. Those most persistent that I do something, never knew I did anything, and still blamed me for the whole debacle. But more importantly, I felt like I probably made the wrong call in getting involved at all, and now I can look back and feel like it was a manipulative course I took to resolve the issue.
Anyway, I don't think you handled me winning, appropriately. I also felt like you were playing with my emotions to get me to quit. Which worked.
Even if that's the least charitable way to express this, I feel that the fact that it could possibly be described that way, shows enough fault on my part and I regret it. I mean, the justification for all of this in my mind was very easy at the time. I can't do anything about the election results, but Wylted probably understands that this "Victory" is gona be viewed as problematic for such and such reason... so a simple solution is to ask him to resign and call it a day. I can pretty much "do nothing" and get the proper results, and most people wont even know I did anything at all. The irony there is that my "doing nothing" didn't actually appease those most angry with the situation, since they actually thought I did nothing - and that is what I should have done. I should have just let you take office and do whatever with the level of legitimacy you created for yourself and perhaps let the point prove itself. But I was a bit shortsighted in that regard, even if my point would have proved accurate. Still it doesn't justify my intervention and manipulation.
I'm not trying to remember these things, but that is the only incident, where I felt like I saw your true colors. Perhaps I am wrong and what I saw was out of character, but I can't push it out of my head.
That's fair, though the reason I specifically do recall this very well, and brought it up, is because I do feel like it was out of character. I have very few skeletons in my closet, and I'm exposing this because it's not a moment I'm proud of, and I do feel like it's worth scrutinizing. I'm not sure I'm guilty of doing something wrong to the site, to the contrary even, but I'm guilty of violating my personal principals. I shouldn't have put you in a position to make the decision I asked you to, and I still regret that, and I hope you can forgive me for that. I do sincerely apologize for it, and hope you can forgive me.
The reaction where I saw you behind the scenes trying to destroy the presidency the week after I won , made me question your honor.
I think this was more organic, than me simply trying to destroy the presidency. I think Mikal should get the credit for wounding the institution beyond repair, and then your "Victory" would have, and did, create a permanent group (a vocal minority perhaps) of very passionate anti-Wylted/Presidency advocates. I should probably have just sat that entire thing out, but it was such a political firestorm that I couldn't... and that's one of the reasons I just want to avoid all politics in the future and I hope that being as candid as I'm trying to be here, is evidence of that.
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@Lunatic
Why didn't you vote for yourself in the election?
If things don't go so well I at least wana be able to say that I didn't even vote for the guy.
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Took me a little bit, but I found the return thread (that links to the original) of the Raisor Rubles program. There were some fun ideas here that really were done in the most basic ways possible due to the circumstances. Just thinking back on this now makes me excited to think we could make this work, and in far better ways.
Anyways, just something worth talking about right now. I don't want to get ahead of ourselves since it's just a concept worth looking into and discussing with the community, but I'm very enthusiastic to start getting to work on all the great things we can achieve.
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@Mikal
What are your thoughts about people liking or upvoting their own posts. Essentially "liking" their own posts
I don't have any strong opinion on this
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@Mikal
It's a reason for people to do stuff. And something that can replace elo in a way by offering incentives for participation in site activities
The video Bossy and I made included a narrative about a new member of DDO to more simply explain the idealized version of the program. Basically a new member comes onto the site, and incentivized by Raisor Rubles joins the site's official voting group. He then realizes he can actually make more Raisor Rubles by starting his own group (and paying RRs to those members), which now competes with the official group, and there's an economic effect on the Raisor Ruble economy as Debaters reach out to the managers of each group to have them direct their members to place votes on their debates. This member then eventually starts doing tournaments with Raisor Ruble buy-ins offering RR prizes to the winner. He then progresses onto other things I don't recall, but the whole narrative was to give an idea of a living economy based on the interests of the membership, and in a fun incentivizing way. Integrated into DART with stuff like profile swag and other things worth buying, the idea really could be far more amazing than the low-tech version DDO would have had at its most successful.
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@Mikal
Lessssss do eeet
Certainly something worth putting on the list. Probably worth considering a low-tech beta version and seeing how that goes, and then seeing if it can be integrated into the site properly. Could actually be a quick-win program at first in its most basic form, and then eventually become one of the sites coolest features when fully realized. Definitely a discussion worth having soon, so I'll have to see if I can find my notes on the original program.
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@Mikal
I like if we can actually code the site with it they would be great.
But you can use that to buy additional features on your profile or buy certain badges that are displayed out by the medals etc
Yeah it's a great idea, and something I put a lot of thought into towards the end of DDO. It started as a voting initiative, that the currency was created via voting, and a voting group was specifically created for it, and then the market would evolve on its own. In the end it became pretty complex, but the limitations of DDO meant the entire system was kept on a google doc.
Unfortunately, right after the first roll out of it, the site had like a 4 day down time due to a server issues, and then within a couple weeks of the second roll out the spampocylypse happened. It seemed to be an idea doomed to be defeated by the site itself. But I'm still excited about the concept and if integrated into DART it could be amazing. Naturally it would have to be adjusted for DART to some degree to make it fair and such, but the basic functions of it, currency for activity based things, especially voting and winning debates/tournaments is universal. It's certainly something I'd be excited to work on again.
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@Mikal
Every woman who joins must first message me before they are approved and welcomed into the community
We definitely want to increase our female membership, and to that end, I'm gona say this probably isn't gona be how we approach that.
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@Mikal
My proposition is that we add more relevant medals and add a site currency that can be exchanged for site items
We can call it airmax bucks
I don't know if you recall the Raisor Ruble initiative, but recently Lunatic and I began discussing it again. It was an idea I was really excited about, but it kept being upended by DDO's site issues at the time. Bossy and I even made a fun video about it, detailing exactly how it worked.
In any case, the concept is there, just have to work out details in a way that it can actually be integrated into DART in a fun, activity motivating way... So I'm on board with it conceptually, and it'll be part of the meeting Friday or within the next couple weeks.
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@Mikal
Multiple choice
Simp Lord is an interesting title, though I'm not sure what it implies in terms of actual productivity haha so we'll have to discuss this on Friday
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@Mikal
Is this a multiple choice option? Or are you suggest that entire thing as the actual title?
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@Mikal
Can you appoint me with a title. I want a specific community title that is approved by moderation
I'm not moderation, but yes, we'll discuss (On Friday if you are in the Discord) some broad term for a specific role that will facilitate my agenda that sounds cool. Media outreach administrator or some such thing...
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