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I assume the "it's not an ideology" angle is the parallel to "it's not a choice" where it comes to homosexuality, which is fair enough. I don't know how Christians are still getting a pass on this "it's a sin" shit tbh. Nothing more than organised bigotry. I mean I'm not gay or anything, and I guess I don't feel the pressures in this, but reading some of oro's posts I guess it just clicked. It's a great wrong that this group of people should feel put upon by others just for being who they are. Maybe you can find a bit of perspective on all the in-your-face pride stuff in that. That's the ideology you're all talking about. These folks spent years hiding what they are.
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In Switzerland,
Yeah, Switzerland, population of 8 million, 1/4 of the guns per capita, probably 1/1000th of the guns overall. Clear analogue. Yep, can't be the guns, must be the black people.
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There would be quite a time lag before it hampered criminals. Meanwhile, law abiding citizens would have their self defense capabilities curbed and feel outgunned by criminals.
And do you think self defense is a good argument here where the US has 5 times the homicides of other developed nations? Or is it more of a "to shoot oneself in the foot" sort of situation?
I'm just wondering what arguments are left where you'll accept that a gun ban can work in keeping guns out of all hands.
I'll take the 30% whack job population argument, but that's a tough one for you to wear. Gotta be something more than that.
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@cristo71
So how come the gun ban is a bad idea where we seem to agree that it would hamper the bad guys too?
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Very appropriate response in lieu of a kick in the head.
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https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/9131-guns-dont-kill-people-people-kill-people?page=2&post_number=42
I wrote much the same back on page 2.
Just to point out that this is also nonsense:
I wrote much the same back on page 2.
Just to point out that this is also nonsense:
Remember that an entire criminal gang network was created around the alcohol ban. Are you absolutely sure this is a feasible direction to go down?
There's no way a black market around guns would be the same as one around alcohol. There's no reasonable demand where there is no reasonable utility. That and the manufacturing of guns is obviously way more complicated than making moonshine.
How come UK isn't full of gun violence where guns are prohibited?
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@Sidewalker
I pity you having to share a country with these cretins dude. And they have a sick little time in argument about it too.
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It's a real weirdo that watches something like that and the best thing they can think to do with it is weaponise it.
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@Dr.Franklin
Not just your experience. Women dominate med and computer science schools the world over.
So what's the reason?
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I have also threatened every recent mod with AFK if they make me mafia. I don't think the MafiaUniverse folks would let me get away with that. It's just too much work.
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@PREZ-HILTON
As good as I think I am at this game, I already know I'm not the best. At least where it comes to application. I'm a theorist and I like the fun reads. I am not about the grind.
There are some monsters out there.
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DART could hydra the whole tournament, I'd definitely give a look in at that.
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@PREZ-HILTON
I'm seriously tempted and I like the setup, but it's way too much of a time commitment. I just don't got it to spare.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
I understand your frustration and for sure they're mostly a bunch of retards, but you need to have a little art in it dude. Overuse the knife, you'll dull the blade and cut nothing.
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I can see the fun in that. That's how I know you're a good man.
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So we are all agreed that this particular user is a low IQ racist.
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I believe Wylted is in danger of becoming a good man.
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I thought army men were supposed to be tough guys.
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Can't take the heat. Wylted calling you a retard really stung, eh?
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I can't believe you've broken TWS's little heart like that, Wylted.
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You're too fat to be a devil on his shoulder, GP.
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This man would call himself a true Christian and rails often against Luciferians. The American school shootings rival the Catholic abuses for sure. Perpetuated by your idiotic and evil policy.
Clown.
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As I've already informed you, one's capacity to possess, own, and operate a firearm is not contingent on your "trust."
Yes it is, you spacecadet. Is that you think you inhabit a different planet altogether to the rest of us?
If only. No, your cohorts are blowing away schoolchildren on the regular.
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@Athias
No, you haven't. But that's fine. I'm not particularly interested in engaging this exchange beyond this point.
Yes I have. You asked why you shouldn't be allowed have weapons of mass destruction, I gave a very clear and sensible reason why not. You were just too busy about your all caps'ing and bolding to read it and understand it.
Because people being allowed to own weapons of mass destruction means their use. No matter how you plan or promise to use them, you can make no assurances about the next guy.
Your belligerent style of writing matters not a fuck alongside that reality.
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And the irony is that governments have a higher body count than anyone.
Just for fun.
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So Athias thinks we should all have nuclear bombs. He's surely a sensible fellow.
School nukings, wouldn't that be something?
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I half think him and Roosevelt are the same people.
I actually can see that haha. I was reading some recent thread where they were bickering at each other and thinking much the same.
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@Intelligence_06
I never did figure out BrotherD.Thomas.
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So do you guys think TWS is autistic or how is this supposedly 50 year old man so unbelievably cringy?
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As with definitions of man and woman, it is a subject morons can easily have their obnoxious opinions about, but really it is the most uninteresting, inconsequential shit ever.
Toxicity for dummies.
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I have very clearly answered your question.
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If I lived in a town where every house was a bouncy castle, I would probably want to ban knives. I think that's reasonable.
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@Athias
Why does ordinary civilian use of firearms merit penalty as a consequence of the criminal use of firearms?
It is a weapon designed to kill human beings being used often and with great success to kill human beings. Why should I trust you to own such a thing? Why should your society pay the obvious horrific cost of your being allowed to own it?
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It's either that or we'll find ourselves in some Blade Runner-esque dystopia where the whole world is private property owned by a tiny fraction of humanity and the rest of us have been out to pasture in favour in robots.
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@oromagi
I don't think any serious people really think Communism was ever or should ever be a thing.
I take offense at that.
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This is the entire reason you have some many murders: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/9128-explosives-dont-kill-people-people-kill-people?page=1&post_number=13
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@Mharman
How many child murders before you consider gun control?That assumes gun control is the answer. It's also an emotional argument when you consider how rare those events actually are. They are horrible, but to look at those events and say we need such sweeping policy changes is absurd. If you want a solution to these problems, we should examine the data rather than having the fearful response of "see gun, ban gun."
It is the answer. What, are these kids going to start building explosives? Growing anthrax? The problem is the easily accessible easy-bake death machines. It's a simple question of morality. How many more kids do you sacrifice to your gun fetish? None of your excuses or "buts" hold up. Here, I'll agree with you. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. You are killing these kids with your ludicrous stance on this issue.
Says who? You're about equal with other developed nations on the crime index.Are you talking about overall crime or gang violence here?
You mean where they shoot each other with guns? Sounds like we're back to guns as the issue here, buddy.
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@Mharman
A nail gun. He was a carpenter, after all.
It was a serious question. b9 put it best above. How many child murders before you consider gun control?
Anyway, if you want a simple answer, we are the first world country with the worst gang problem.
Says who? You're about equal with other developed nations on the crime index.
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@Mharman
Ah so not the very obvious answer, but some other complicated one. Convenient for you.
What do you think Jesus' favourite gun would be?
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@Mharman
Just a massive coincidence that the country with the most guns in the world has the highest murder rate by far out of first world countries.
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The idea that we should pass all these gun control laws, or ban guns entirely, is just as absurd as it would be for lighters.
Imagine writing this.
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But since you're so concerned about all the current deaths in this country that involves guns, I add the other point that guns are likely used to save more lives among the populace than they are used to end to my argument here.
And yet USA inexplicably has 5 times the murder rate of any first world country.
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@TWS1405_2
Yet “morons” like you focus on rifles while ignoring violent human behavior spawned from mental illnesses.
I don't focus on shit. I think you should ban all guns like pretty much the entire rest of the world. It is especially ugly however when kids bring death machines to school and blow each other away. There's no other regular occurrence the world over which comes close to comparing. Congrats, you're number 1.
It will be a very long time before all those guns are confiscated,
What's your plan, genius? Sell another 300 million guns?
GP your whole politics would have the US government shoveling food into your fat mouth. Fuck Ukraine. Fuck black people. Fuck anyone trying to scrape any bit of fair treatment for themselves. It's ugly as hell, dude. You are a degenerate.
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@Best.Korea
You are spectacularly uninteresting.
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Sadly, guns are still usable for decades and longer if kept oiled.
So what? If and when they're used, they're confiscated. And slap on a heavy penalty for having kept them.
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@Best.Korea
From where? Switzerland?
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@Greyparrot
No they're not. Sidewalker, Double, oro, whiteflame, FLRW - all sensible, decent people. The right contingent on here are clowns pretty much just with the exception of thett. And you the great fat absurdity they revolve around. You remind me of the Baron Harkonen, GP.
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You cant remove guns. You can ban them. People will still get them illegally.
This is also nonsense. There's serious manufacturing in guns which means huge complications in supply. For what demand? People who'll buy them and hide them under their bed never to use them because to use them is to announce to everyone that you have them?
Guns and drugs are not equivalent where it comes to the black market.
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The American right is ludicrous. Hell awaits.
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Moronic. A country littered with assault rifles and machine guns, weapons of mass destruction, but why aren't we worried about knives?
That's what you sound like.
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