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The real problem with communism is that you can't plan around 7 billion people. Capitalism is self-organising. It comes out looking a bit monstrous, but I'm getting fed.
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@Sum1hugme
It's a problem with communal resources.
It isn't. It's mismanagement of resources generally. Yes, this presents in commonly owned land, with overgrazing, where planned crop rotation or something else might be better, but it presents everywhere else also. I can make the argument that global warming is a tragedy of the commons caused by capitalism, and it would be sound.
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@Sum1hugme
No, tragedy of the commons presents in all sorts of scenarios, light pollution is even an example of tragedy of the commons.
Physical resources
- Uncontrolled human population growth leading to overpopulation.[6]
- Atmosphere, through the release of pollution that leads to ozone depletion, global warming, ocean acidification (by way of increased atmospheric CO2 being absorbed by the sea), and particulate pollution[65]
- Light pollution – with the loss of the night sky for research and cultural significance, affected human, flora and fauna health, nuisance, trespass and the loss of enjoyment or function of private property.[66]
- Water – Water pollution, water crisis of over-extraction of groundwater and wasting water due to overirrigation[67]
- Forests – Frontier logging of old growth forest and slash and burn[68]
- Energy resources and climate – Environmental residue of mining and drilling, burning of fossil fuels and consequential global warming[69]
- Animals – Habitat destruction and poaching leading to the Holocene mass extinction[70]
- Oceans – Overfishing[71][72]
- Space debris in Earth's surrounding space leading to limited locations for new satellites and the obstruction of universal observations.[73]
Human health
- A preference for sons made people abort foetal girls. This results in an imbalanced sex ratio.[74]
- Antibiotics – Antibiotic Resistance Mis-use of antibiotics anywhere in the world will eventually result in antibiotic resistance developing at an accelerated rate.[75] The resulting antibiotic resistance has spread (and will likely continue to do so in the future) to other bacteria and other regions, hurting or destroying the Antibiotic Commons that is shared on a worldwide basis[76]
- Vaccines – Herd immunity Avoiding a vaccine shot and relying on the established herd immunity instead will avoid potential vaccine risks, but if everyone does this, it will diminish herd immunity and bring risk to individuals that cannot receive vaccines for medical reasons.[77]
Other
Knowledge commons encompass immaterial and collectively owned goods in the information age, including, for example:
- Source code and software documentation in software projects that can get "polluted" with messy code or inaccurate information.[78]
- Skills acquisition and training, when all parties involved pass the buck on implementing it.[79]
It's just cited, and reasonably, as an argument for private ownership, where cultivation of land and whatever is concerned. Capitalism suffers, and big-time, in its own ways, from tragedy of the commons.
Tragedy of the commons is an argument for planning, central or how you like.
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@Sum1hugme
In economic science, the tragedy of the commons is a situation in which individual users, who have open access to a resource unhampered by shared social structures or formal rules that govern access and use,[1][2] act independently according to their own self-interest and, contrary to the common good of all users, cause depletion of the resource through their uncoordinated action.[3]
Tragedy of the commons is overexploitation dude.
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@Sum1hugme
Capitalism suffers from tragedy of the commons. What do you think overfishing and global warming are?
There's an argument in it for private ownership, sure, but it doesn't just go away at that.
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That's a charleslb avatar from way, way back in the day, right?
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@Yassine
Yeah, you got nothing. You can only point to your high priests.
They're not high priests. They're just a lot more impressive than you.
Insults are the arguments of losers. Pathetic.
I just don't like you.
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@Yassine
Lemme ask you, suppose the most skeptical person you can imagine & you want to convince him that the theory of evolution is fact, with the most obvious proof. What would it be?
I'd offer no singular proof. I'd point out to him what I have to you here. I could reference a fossil record if I was bothered. I'd point him to Darwin. I'd point him to a wiki page on experimental evolution. I might point out, like Dawkins, that the laryngeal nerve of a giraffe is suggestive of a neck grown after the fact, with no care for already existing internal arrangement. It was something else before, now gone. But I suppose just another sort of giraffe, eh? I'd point him to a cranky Arab with an inferiority complex and a thousand year old book full of gay bashing by a supposed prophet who liked little girls. I'd ask him what he thought of that.
So when you look at any similarity in the world your head jumps to "they must've evolved from each-other"?
Do you look like your father? He's apish too I bet. What of your ape kids, can you see yourself in them?
Too far maybe, lol.
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NL is absolutely optimal here. Lynching Wylted is completely random and even if we'll lynch him anyway, it's still optimal to do it next DP.
Please see my math from earlier.
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We took a wolf and turned it into a chihuahua over the course of 10 thousand years. We bred a bald cat of a naturally occurring mutation by selective breeding. What's so hard to believe in that it goes further in the 3.5 billion years life has existed on this earth? That's 350,000 times our fuckery with dogs. A bear looks like a big dog already. Everything looks all the same already, bone structure similar across a billion animals, stretched out here, compacted there, adapted in yet another place. There's no great stretch of the imagination in it, friend. I bet if I sat you next to a shaved ape people wouldn't tell the difference.
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I think it was a cruel trick Orwell played in fairness, but he still comes out on top.
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@fauxlaw
Huxley wins in a landslide.
He doesn't. Orwell saw Huxley for defeatist. I'd need to read the books again, but 1984 isn't a dystopian novel so much as a book about self-tyranny. It's a mirror, the character O'Brien spells this out clear as day for us. The British TV show Black Mirror I think finds great influence in Orwell, actually, also. The whole future aspect of it then is just to exaggerate and so highlight the sort of thinking that makes up this self-tyranny. It's not meant for serious, it's a dreamscape. Written mostly in 1948, Orwell flips the last two digits around and that's future, barely. The mirror is on Huxley.
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Even being out in the farm as a little kid, I got such a training in tool use and levers and statics and centers of gravity. I can't much articulate it, but there was a quiet physics in all of it. I honestly think there's genius in the way a man handles a pipe grips even. The dumbest grunt might have a thousand years of artistry in the way he handles tools. And be smug about it of course, they all are, and all watching the thoughtless boy, but there with a tip, or a hint, or a secret. And again we leave girls in home. It's no wonder.
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My mam spends her evenings watching youtube videos on famous gravestones, medieval furniture, the Romanovs, that sort of shit. She's a total fairy tbh but she has knowledge on any sort of topic you could ever think to bring up. Detail oriented, I think. I reckon her brain must be so different to mine, I'm definitely more of a concepts kinda guy. Maybe there's something in that too, but really I'm just often in awe of her. Then I lean in over her shoulder for a video on riddles of which I've seen all of them before and rattle off the answers for her and she thinks I'm a fucking genius but I'm a total cheater lol.
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@oromagi
You make such good posts on the most seemingly random of shit.
I suppose it's only anecdotal but I do suspect that one of the major reasons women are less competitive against men in a lot of sports is because they don't train against men much or ever.
It's not only anecdotal, it's tried and tested. RM brings up chess earlier, the Polgar sisters are such an interesting case where it comes to female ability. The reason women don't meet men's standards in a lot of sports where they might be expected to, is because they are not trained into it like men are. Just the fact that there's less women in all of these sports to begin with suggests this, but Lazlo Polgar gave us a proof.
Random aside, I once wrote a short story about a pool shark and I think it's the best thing I've ever written. I liked the "big fish in a small pond" double meaning of it.
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Does this DP have a time limit?
In all fairness, Wylted was offline for 3 days before game started at all. Strange from him, something must be going on.
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I've been trying to remember this for days, and it just came to me:
Feverish, the second dude to rap.
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I guess Wylted dropped his phone in the river while he was bathing.
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There's even a fucking pirate in there, for god's sake.
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Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand is softcore erotica.
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@sadolite
I don't think I'm a feminist. I think I'm just self-confident. Honestly when I hear feminism my mind goes to all sorts of debauchery, corruption, and subjugation because I am a wrong-un lol.
I think you feel emasculated in the fact that your wife makes more money than you. This is your push back.
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I don't expect anyone to bandwagon any of that honestly, and I'm happy to read more anyway, but that's what you're getting from me lol.
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@MisterChris
He just reads funny tbh. I take funny sort of reads usually, I'm more used to playing without themes. A good read is always the first posts of a person, I find. I think mafia feel a pressure there, actually I'd bet most first posts that are all caps are actually made by mafia, as if bursting up through that pressure. It's those sort of artistic renderings I go in for, ya know, haha. That's a lot of the fun of it for me. But he does read funny. And then a first post about feeling the heat, and a Freudian slip in it maybe, "head," lol. I mean...
I'm not sure honestly, but he reads funny. There's too much in every post, too much for our benefit supposedly. "I'll hold off on judgement," "I'm more inclined to believe," "I have trouble believing" - all of these too, it just feels like he's playing games around actually having townie feelings, being in the dark as a townie would. It just reads funny. I don't have so much to say it besides that for now.
For a townie read, just for another idea of it, I like Polyglot's opening, that "Hello citizens of Amestris!" bit of a roleplay fun sort of thing going on there, falling right into his character and then the game, no pressure. Maybe that's a premature read too, but I like it.
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@oromagi
I'm really enjoying Dune atm, is all, haha. I've been busy.
You got it all worked out, eh.
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George Orwell thought Aldous Huxley was a clown. 1984 caricatures and ridicules Brave New World.
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@oromagi
DUNE DEBATE: LADY JESSICA of HOUSE ATREIDES FUCKED UP the GALAXY
Fucking spoilers! :(
Cordelia in King Lear fucked up the whole country. I can't remember why, but she did.
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If I have sex with a prostitute and run away without paying, is that rape?
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Reminds me of brian_eggleston:
"It's good to see Badger back and I would like to thank him for his generous compliments! I wonder where he's been for so long, by the way. Many of you will remember Badger's early days on this site when his avatar was a charming photo of him on the lash down the pub, grinning menacingly and swinging a pool cue about in an aggressive manner. Oh, yes, the good old days when Badger used to come on this site when everybody else was asleep and have arguments with himself on the forums; the good old days when Badger was a socialist who shunned the use of the "shift" key, dismissing it as an obscene capitalist decadence, but since he has been away it seems he has been reformed: not only does he now employ the use of capital letters but it seems he has also become an apologist for the Bourgeoisie."
Sorry lol.
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I believe it is in case a fight to the death breaks out, and pool cues are snapped to make pointed objects.
Pool is the thing I miss most about countryside bars actually. In cities in Ireland it's regarded as a scumbag sort of thing. Draws trouble, I guess.
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Do you guys think Wylted got eaten by a crocodile or something?
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I could have married my last two girlfriends tbh and probably should have married the second to last one. But I'm happy. I got no problems with women tbh. I am just very fond of them lol.
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@sadolite
I can see if she has a friend for you, sado.
I guess I know what a beta male is. I don't think it's all as much of a mess as you think it is though. I know plenty of professional girls and all dating, often in love. So what if they're not having kids in their twenties? So what if every relationship doesn't end in marriage and kids anymore? Who the fuck wants kids in their twenties anymore? We're all doing just fine. The sex is great. 50 shades is lame but it's all BDSM now, you can talk a chick into fucking anything lol. Romance is alive and well.
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Not sure about earth or TUF either, but I townread the rest.
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I haven't played in years but so far everyone is town except whiteflame who's blatant mafia.
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That said, again, I'm fine with not NL'ing haha. But my head hurts tonight.
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@ILikePie5
It's just simple math.
Lynching today and getting it wrong still lands us in a MYLO next DP. That would be lynching in 8 and then 6 after we've killed one and mafia have killed one. Lose chance is 50%.
NL'ing today, lynching tomorrow is lynching in 7, then 5, the 5 is a MYLO just the same as the 6, except town's chances are better. Lose chance 42%. That is, chances we hammer wrong both days.
Taking into account also 1 in 4's versus 1 in 3's should we lynch right in the MYLO, or the same for lynching right on first lynch, I'm not doing the math now I have a headache tbh, but I think it makes even stronger mathematical argument for NL'ing today.
Roles obviously have impact, but I still think NL'ing today is preferable.
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@Lunatic
That's me TUF, long time dude lol.
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I have no idea what school choice is, but I'm from Ireland and our schools or colleges aren't strict in the slightest. Study of English, Irish, and another language is mandatory in every school across the country, though.
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Presuming 2 mafia and presuming they can only kill once a night, this DP should actually be a fast NL. Town betters its win chance significantly that way.
6/8*4/6 lynching today, 5/7*3/5 lynching next DP.
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I was exactly thinking about The Matrix with a lot of the shit I was writing there. Thanks for the post man, good post.
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@Greyparrot
I say this with all love, but I suspect you might be retarded. And me with you.
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@Greyparrot
Capitalism is not a system, it's a limb. It's ant colony optimisation or some shit.
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I'm not bashing capitalism. I think elements of it are monstrous but the whole world of animal evolution is monstrous, it's fucking impressive. Humans are spooky shit lol. I just think it's interesting
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