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@dustryder
I think it highlights his frustrations with conspiratorial babble quite nicely
I’m not sure that calling someone a “fucking idiot” does much of anything quite nicely.
And there are far more eloquent ways to show frustration than to swear in nearly every sentence you type.
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@BigPimpDaddy
you're a fucking idiot.this has absolutley fucking nothing to do with bidenThats not a fucking source dude.I don't wtf are you talking aboutfucking you.
Using the F word doesn’t make you sound smarter, and it also doesn’t make your arguments any better. Just for future reference ☺️
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@TheUnderdog
You didn’t address the females that got abortions or BLM supporters.
While those were both terrible examples, I have no obligation to respond to every part of your post.
The constitution states “The right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed”It the founding fathers wished to exclude non citizens, then they would have replaced the word people with the word citizens. Just like if they wanted to ban open carry, they wouldn’t have said, “The right of the people to keep and BEAR arms”.
That’s kinda how Constitutions work. They apply to citizens of that respective country.
For instance, we don’t give the same rights to foreign terrorists that we give to domestic citizens.
If an illegal alien has a gun in the US, he or she must have done one illegal thing. Either they smuggled a gun into the country or they illegally bought one here
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@Double_R
I mean it’s not like he committed the grave sin of lying about a blow job or anything
That's sure as hell a weird way of saying "sexually assaulting a White House intern"
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@TheUnderdog
If an undocumented immigrant wants to use their 2nd amendment right to protect from a tyrannical government (like ICE), I would support that.
Illegal immigrants aren't citizens and therefore don't have second amendment rights lmfao.
Interesting to see you support foreign criminals killing ICE agents enforcing federal laws, though.
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@zedvictor4
Why shouldn't someone that shoots someone, be tried.Isn't that a basic requirement of the Law.AH...Silly question....We're talking U.S. here.
The prosecutor doesn't always have to bring charges. I think in obvious self-defense cases, they can just not charge you for it. They generally do, though.
There was a lot of "reee-ing" that George Zimmerman wasn't charged initially. He wasn't charged because he had grass stains on his back and lacerations on his head from being attacked, so it was obviously self-defense. No need to waste court time on it.
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@thett3
I was surprised to see even mainstream conservatives bringing up the case and rooting for him. I think he has a very good shot (no pun intended)
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@BigPimpDaddy
please put actual effort into your posts they are getting old.
He puts in more effort than you do to say he doesn't put in effort.
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@Greyparrot
We haven't seen this level of race baiting around this Virginia election since Tawana Brawley. Hiring Black white supremacists to hold tiki torches..... bold move Cotton.
Ah yes, Tawana Brawley....... How could I forget about her. Probably because the KKK, Mafia, Irish Republican Army, and the state government covered it up!!!!
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@949havoc
Biden certainly didn't help.
Neither did Dems in Virginia supporting CRT and vaccine mandates, which doesn't tend to play as well in the suburbs as it does in the universities.
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@ILikePie5
What I found funny is that Donald Trump wins even when he’s not on the ballot
Doubtful, considering Virginia went 54-44% for Biden.
More likely that they voted against Democrats than for Trump
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@thett3
Yeah but he will probably end the institutionalized child abuse of forcing toddlers and children to wear masks eight hours a day, or teaching them divisive political jargon in elementary school. That’s good enough for me!
Yeah it’s good enough that, if I were in Virginia I’d vote for him. But I feel like too much weight is put on his party affiliation when we don’t even really know where he stands on a lot of issues. He has no political record, I believe.
If he does those things you mentioned and rolls back those anti-gun policies, he’ll be pretty good. But let’s keep in mind he’s only pretty good by modern-Virginia standards. Who knows, he could be another Romney or Cheney
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@Vader
Hopefully some policy will get done
I think we need to keep our expectations realistic. Let’s keep in mind that ultra-lib Vermont has a Republican governor. It is just a relative game on a state level. Essentially, he’s just somewhere to the right of his opponent, which is good, but not necessarily meaning he’ll get anything close to what we consider “wins”.
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@oromagi
That would be quite the journey. West Virginia seceded from Virginia because Virginia seceded from the Union.
It would be! Think of all the generic talking points I could make about them once again splitting to join Republicans and get away from the “real racists” (democrats).
My mouth waters at the thought 🤤
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@thett3
The fact that Virginia is in play is about as shocking as Virginia’s descent into deep-blue territory was.
If Rs lose, it’s time for western Virginia to merge with West Virginia 🔥
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@Polytheist-Witch
You know if you want to be Canadian you can just move there and become a citizen. Not sure why you feel like the choice should be I have to be Canadian or I have to be a Trump voter. I'm not either and actually kind of satisfied with that.
Maybe I want to force you to be a Canadian for not wanting to #MakeAmericaGreatAgain
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@n8nrgmi
This seems to be an argument for why you think a wealth tax would be “fair” rather than why it would be a good idea.
Will the wealth be used better? Is it even feasible to value every single thing a rich guy owns? (Do you have to have independent people value all of their paintings, antique furniture, jewelry, etc)?
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@ludofl3x
Are murderers American citizens over 18 once they're done serving their time? You should be automatically enrolled for the draft when you are automatically registered to vote when you turn 18 provided you are an American citizen.
Ok, then I doubt we are going to find any agreement here on this topic lol.
You are ideologically married to a mass democracy position, and I don't think that "the more votes, the merrier" is even conceptually a good plan (good here meaning competent governance)
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@Greyparrot
Even the hard left hate him, and they are internationally famous for tolerance!
Conservative on way to the guillotine: “heh, so much for the tolerant left”
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@n8nrgmi
spreading misinformation on social media and intentionally causing division.
I don't know, it seems to be unifying everyone of every political persuasion to dunk on him. The KGB aren't sending their best!
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@secularmerlin
No, that’s likely the best response your ilk can muster
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@secularmerlin
If you’re going to give me a lazy message, don’t bother sending one at all
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@secularmerlin
It is a fact that the rich are often shielded from the consequences of their wrongdoings by their wealth. Do you dispute this?
I think that is a hard claim to make. I am tempted to say yes, but that is just because those cases are widely publicized. I have also read cases where murderers are given a slap on the wrist. There is jury nullification as well, such as in the case of OJ Simpson.
If you can provide facts showing that rich people are shielded from consequences for crimes (obviously, they are shielded from crimes resulting in fines) that require jail time, then I'd be happy to look at that and make an assessment based on the facts provided.
There is not enough difference in allele frequency to make the distinction between races. There us only one race. The human race. A white European descended person may easily bear more genetic similarities to any given person of color chosen at random than any given white person chosen at random. Your argument is scientifically fallacious.
You can break it down to be more specific. It depends on how specific you want to be with "race" categories. They can trace your origins to where your ancestors lived geographically. Geographic locations are highly correlated with skin color.
If you believe that the reason is one "races" "superior genes" then, not to beat a dead horse but that would be racist by definition. I am not trying to put words in your mouth I'm just being very clear about what I think is racism so that we can avoid confusion. I cannot make you racist by my definition only you can and only by fitting that definition.
I'm not calling any one set of genes better than another. Some genes make people better at certain things and worse at others. Based on the Olympics and US sports leagues, you can make assumptions about superiority at sports for different races. That doesn't seem to be a controversial claim. But whenever it has to do with... let's say genes related to delayed gratification or even average brain mass, then we start having issues. I think that people from different geographic locations have different genes on average and that those genes lead to a higher likelihood of certain outcomes. Also, I (non-controversially) think that people from different geographic locations have different races. (Ex. before colonialization of Africa or the North African slave trade, you would be hard-pressed to find a White person on the continent)
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@ludofl3x
"You are 18 and a US Citizen, therefore you can vote" is the fairest way to do it.
The point isn't to what degree they can understand policies. It is that literacy is more or less an efficient vetting mechanism for that. If you can't even grasp the language, how the heck are you expected to make good choices if you can't even reach that low bar?
To clarify what I'm dealing with here, do you not believe in any limitations? Should murderers be able to vote (either during their sentence or after it)? Should we no longer require people to sign up for the draft? Should we automatically enroll everyone for voting when they turn 18?
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@ludofl3x
You know that literally makes you in favor of Jim Crow laws, and against the Civil Rights act? I guess if you're okay with that, I respect you saying so so explicitly.
Ah yes, thinking illiterate people voting is a bad idea is me "literally" being in favor of Jim Crow.....
Next thing you know, being anti-rioting will also be Jim Crow. Maybe having any criminal laws will!
What is the danger so inherent you'd like to abridge constitutional guaranteed civil rights? Why are these people worth less than the people who are literate?
Voting is an act of force. It is voting to have people with guns enforce your policies. Tell me how letting people who don't understand anything about policies (not only that, but those who can't even read the policies of whoever they vote for) wielding that power is, at least in theory, a good idea.
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@ludofl3x
Please substantiate both of these.
There aren't any hard stats on what percent of voters are "barely literate" as I said.
But, 50% of US adults cannot read a book at an eighth grade reading level. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2016/11/01/hiding-in-plain-sight-the-adult-literacy-crisis/?noredirect=on That's OECD data
According to the Department of Education, 54% of US adults lack proficiency at the sixth grade level. https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnietzel/2020/09/09/low-literacy-levels-among-us-adults-could-be-costing-the-economy-22-trillion-a-year/?sh=4aff718a4c90
And nearly a quarter of Philly adults can't read, but they still vote because they can bring helpers to voting stations. They are especially used in areas with low English proficiency there. https://billypenn.com/2019/04/29/nearly-a-quarter-of-philly-adults-cant-read-but-they-still-vote/
Now "Democracy won't work" is not something so easily proven. It depend on your metric. If your metric is "can a country survive under democracy", then sure, it works. Now if your claim is more along the lines of "mass democracy leads to tyranny" or my belief that "it is suboptimal to let any citizen that is 18 or older vote". Voting is fine..... but letting illiterate people do it? No bueno
This is the base that democracy starts from. You have a right to vote no matter how you form your opinion. Having people have to pass some sort of test to vote invites bias in whatever test that is (not very difficult to sneak idealogical bents into test material, essentially making only one side's vote eligible). Come on now.
I am outwardly biased towards people that can read. I have no problem with that.
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@zedvictor4
Democracy won’t work because most people voting are uninformed. Heck, a lot of voters are barely literate. Making voting a “right” rather than a privilege was a mistake
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@TheUnderdog
If that's how much it costs per year, that's like $2/day for someone who is an average earner. Whereas the income tax difference is about 3% of your entire income. If you make $100K/year, that is about $3000 saved by switching to Canada, or $8/day. Canada has lower taxes overall and I don't even notice the sales tax. It makes things slightly more expensive, but it's a bargain compared to the income tax.
Are you intentionally misreading what I'm saying? I'm pointing out that there are hundreds of considerations other than income tax that impact your take-home pay. Cost of living, wages that can be earned for a specific job, sales tax, VAT tax, income tax, capital gains, excise taxes, relative inflation rates/relative currency strength all impact how much money you will have and what you can do with it.
So saying that half of the states should secede merely because a nominal federal tax rate here is different than there is absolutely ludicrous.
Ignoring taxes, you also have an entirely different legal system that impacts freedom of speech, gun rights, etc. But somehow you think dozens of states seceding over a meaningless number is somehow a good idea???
All tax deductions are the government picking favorites and therefore should be eliminated.
Deductions incentivize good behaviors. If the government is picking parents as "favorites", then I'm okay with that. If it is picking parents that pay for their kids' educations as "favorites", I'm okay with that too.
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@TheUnderdog
Sales taxes don't impact the cost of goods much, so I don't care if a place has a sales tax. I don't want to pay an income tax.
In 2019, the lowest quintile spent $4,400 on groceries in the year, while the highest income quintile spent $13,987.
The average sales tax in the US is 6.35%, while Canada's would be about 15%. An 8.65% difference, resulting in a respective $380.60 and $1,209.88 extra in sales tax for those quintiles.
Seems like a tax that impacts prices to me.....
I'll make more when I'm older. I want to be an actuary. Actuaries make a lot of money. High taxes on high earners is going to effect me once I'm an actuary.
Assuming Canada's and the US' rates are the same ten years down the line and both countries abolish all deductions, then sure, great idea!
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@TheUnderdog
I'm a right leaning independent in a blue state, so I want my state, as well as every other blue state that feasibly can to join Canada. Canada has lower taxes than America.
Once again, I am quite unsure if you are serious or not. First of all, all you send pictures of are nominal tax rates. Do you know the difference between a nominal and an effective tax rate? Do you even know what a deduction is?
Did you know that sales tax is 15% in everywhere but Ontario in Canada while our highest state is 9.55%? Shocker, I know, that there is more than just a federal tax. Also, they have a 5% value-added tax, and we don't.
This clinging to the most base-level fact and making the most absurd conclusions leads me to believe that it is satire.
I'm sick of subsidizing red welfare states with my tax dollars.
Lmao, you're like 19 probably making minimum wage if you work at all. You won't pay a dime over our standard deduction. Unless you think your state sales tax and gas taxes are somehow subsidizing red states.
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@949havoc
Democracy is an ideal. There's nothing wrong with the ideal, it is simply our self-limited practice of it that is found wanting.
Which is why mass democracy, just like communism, shouldn't be tried. Because they are foolish and doomed to failure because of our limitations. Although admittedly, the specific limitations in question are a bit different for the two.
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@zedvictor4
What does this say about the competence of the American voter?
I think it says mass democracy isn’t all it is hyped up to be
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@secularmerlin
Well there are many other forms of racism besides these and many are more subtle and insidious but yeah all things being equal we would expect all things to be equal. If all things are not equal then all things must not be equal.
I agree that not all things are equal. It just seems that I am open to more factors causing said equality than you, and hence the perceived weighting of each reason is different.
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@secularmerlin
Because incidents of rape in the wealthy and powerful are coming to light in record numbers where before they simply went uninvestigated.
So, in other words, anecdotal evidence.
I said if you think ethnicity makes you more or less inclined to criminality that would by definition be racist. Is that what you believe or not?
Do I think genetics on average differ by race? Yes, that's hardly controversial.
Do I believe that genetics influence life outcomes including criminality? Yes, slightly controversial.
Do I therefore believe that to some extent race is related to crime rates? Yes, and at this point, connecting these two seems to be VERY controversial.
If you want to call me a racist, then feel free to do so. I won't be hurt.
So, I'll ask you a question that I have not once received a coherent response to:
To what degree are White people at fault for the failings of Black people? Would their crime rates and incomes be identical without slavery and segregation?
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@secularmerlin
That people of color are just intrinsically more inclined to criminality than whites? I hate to belabor the obvious but that is a racist attitude to hold so I hope that isn't what you are saying. I hope you aren't just a blatant racist.
Some "people of color" (a weird way of lumping 'everyone but White people' together) commit less crime (ex. East Asians) while some commit more crime (ex. Black and Native American). It would be nuts to say that every non-White group is more inclined to commit crime.
Typical of a lib to just offhandedly call any naysayer a racist to try to discredit them while parroting the status quo talking points, though.
The poor have little agency compared with the wealthy
If the problem is poverty, then you'd expect maybe theft to be at a higher rate. But why do blacks rape more people per capita? What about having less money makes you more inclined to rape? That doesn't make any coherent sense.
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@secularmerlin
You mean high poverty areas? Yes it has. In fact I accept that as an axiom. That is precisely why it is indicative of systemic racism that so many such communities are black communities.
Yes, because human agency inside said communities cannot ever explain it, right?
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@secularmerlin
The numbers do not back this up. Quite the opposite in fact as predominantly black communities are disproportionally targeted by police.
Has it ever occurred to you that perhaps high-crime neighborhoods are disproportionately targeted by police?
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@secularmerlin
Would you care to figure that by economic class? If you do I don't think you will see much difference between people of color and other ethnic groups. You may however see a difference in conviction rates as people of color are disproportionally convicted.
I'd reckon not
At the very least it makes you far more likely to be convicted for crimes. No expensive lawyers or connections.
I wouldn't say far more likely, but certainly more likely. That and white collar crimes are a lot more subjective.
I'd bet that the number of crimes committed is way higher per conviction in black communities than others because of "no snitching" and jury nullification.
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@secularmerlin
Average behavior? Of whom exactly? Of the poverty ridden?
Does poverty make men commit more crime?
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@secularmerlin
Do us a favor love?
Do me a favor, figure out per capita murder rates....
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@BigPimpDaddy
you mean whites and blacks are different biologically I assume?
Maybe, but not necessarily. There can be differences in behavior holding genetics constant, proven through twins studies.
That could result from something less controversial, such as cultural differences and average different experiences (presence of fathers, for example)
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@secularmerlin
And some men are FAR more likely to be shot than others. If you would like to know the difference pick up some paint swatches.
Or look at average behavior and understand that the difference is logical, as with gender.....
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@secularmerlin
This is unwise for anyone but there are some people who are far more likely to be shot out of hand by police in this situation than others.
Yeah, men are much more likely to be shot by those sexist officers.
Even the tip of the iceberg we can see is very widespread and ugly.
Ugly compared to what? Belgium?
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@ILikePie5
You mean not everyone knows that the best thing to do when pulled over is yell at cops while vigorously digging in the glove compartment?
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@Greyparrot
@ILikePie5
let's go Brandon!Blue Lives Matter.
Bros wth XD
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@oromagi
THE NHCS/NVSS standard is "“injuries inflicted by the police or other law-enforcing agents, including military on duty, in the course of arresting or attempting to arrest lawbreakers, suppressing disturbances, maintaining order, and other legal action”
- So, a fat guy who runs from the cops and collapses did not die from injuries inflicted by police and would not be coded as LEGAL INTERVENTION on the coroners report
- a guy who gets tasered and collapses died from injuries inflicted by the police and ought to coded as LEGAL INTERVENTION on the coroners report
Personally, I think every death during police action should be tagged for State and Federal databases. As a citizen, I want to know how many fat guy police chase heart attacks agencies are reporting so I can see how that number compares to other police agencies, other states, other nations, other years , etc.
I may have misread your original post from the article . I thought that the current stance was "The National Association of Medical Examiners encourages the classification of deaths caused by law enforcement as homicides, in part to reduce the appearance of a cover-up (a homicide may still be deemed justified)." It appears that this association advocates for classification of police-related deaths as homicides and it is used that way in some jurisdictions. I think because of the connotations of the word 'homicide' (not necessarily the definition, although the Google definition from Oxford Languages says the deliberate and unlawful killing of one person by another; murder.) that it would only further erode the discourse centered around the issue of police-related deaths because it seems to project guilt.
I don't see what value that could be brought by including every death that remotely involves police action. At some point, you're creating a meaningless stat that cannot be used to speculate about officer use of force and (in this case) are including data that only simply points out how morbidly obese our nation is.
The coroner's job is to determine and report cause of death. It is false to say that this study fails to differentiate justified from unjustified. This study only says that the majority of (mostly newspaper) reported deaths by police injury are never recorded by (mostly coroners) as deaths by police injury.
But who is to say that the newspapers are accurately recording the death while the coroners are wrong? The paper has an issue that there are no state or federal standards about reporting police-related deaths, while neglecting that newspapers have no uniform standards either. Unless they are exhaustive and include fat people running. In that case, you'd have the issue mentioned above.
Let's agree that every time a police officer injures somebody in the line of duty that injury should be documented and reported up the line. If some police dept is injuring citizens at twice the rate of another police dept., we want to know that and have the opportunity to investigate. If we can agree on that, then we should agree that every citizen's death in police custody or during the course of police action should be noted in that citizen's death investigation and coded for independent review, however subjective the circumstances.
We can agree that there should be some marking that police were involved. I suppose my issue was mainly regarding the terminology that they proposed using and the subjectivity of the paper as to what to include. But if it isn't classified as "homicide" and is related to whether or not an injury occurred, there should be some accountability there. Because whether or not the cop injured someone is pretty objective. Whether or not the cop was the cause of death is much murkier.
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@thett3
They were mail-in ballots, the method Democrats prefer for whatever reason and concentrated in the urban cores of large cities, which also vote heavily Democratic.
Historically, Democrats haven't preferred mail-in ballots. The reason it was different this time around was because of the pandemic and Trump saying not to trust mail-in voting because their votes could be thrown out.
Back when it was more common among Republican voters, the NYT would run articles like: https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/us/politics/as-more-vote-by-mail-faulty-ballots-could-impact-elections.html
"Error and Fraud at Issue as Absentee Voting Rises"
"Republicans are in fact more likely than Democrats to vote absentee. In the 2008 general election in Florida, 47 percent of absentee voters were Republicans and 36 percent were Democrats."
With gems like these:
Yet votes cast by mail are less likely to be counted, more likely to be compromised and more likely to be contested than those cast in a voting booth, statistics show. Election officials reject almost 2 percent of ballots cast by mail, double the rate for in-person voting.
Voting by mail is now common enough and problematic enough that election experts say there have been multiple elections in which no one can say with confidence which candidate was the deserved winner. The list includes the 2000 presidential election, in which problems with absentee ballots in Florida were a little-noticed footnote to other issues.
In the last presidential election, 35.5 million voters requested absentee ballots, but only 27.9 million absentee votes were counted, according to a study by Charles Stewart III, a political scientist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. He calculated that 3.9 million ballots requested by voters never reached them; that another 2.9 million ballots received by voters did not make it back to election officials; and that election officials rejected 800,000 ballots. That suggests an overall failure rate of as much as 21 percent.
There is a bipartisan consensus that voting by mail, whatever its impact, is more easily abused than other forms. In a 2005 report signed by President Jimmy Carter and James A. Baker III, who served as secretary of state under the first President George Bush, the Commission on Federal Election Reform concluded, “Absentee ballots remain the largest source of potential voter fraud.”
“Absentee voting is to voting in person,” Judge Richard A. Posner of the United States Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit has written, “as a take-home exam is to a proctored one.”
Not to say the election was "stolen" (I think he turned his back on his base and appealed to groups that were never a part of his base) but to show the progression from "mail-in voting is the easiest form for committing fraud" to "most secure election in history" when we have record numbers of mail-in votes. Quite mind-boggling.
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@oromagi
The issue seems that there is a lot of subjectivity in this.
A couple examples:
- a fat guy runs from cops and collapses and dies of a heart attack
-a man charges cops with a knife and gets tasered. He dies of cardiac arrest
Should these be considered police deaths because they were to some extent involved?
Furthermore, I don’t see what value is to be gained by labeling them all homicides because, as it says, there are justified homicides. If the police are justifiably killing people, yet this study fails to differentiate that, then it seems more like a partisan-motivated study than anything to say that cops are killing a lot of people.
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@Greyparrot
The only thing Canada protects is the right to give animals blowjobs
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@thett3
Speaking of perception, maybe saying you’ll pay for illegal immigrant healthcare is bringing them 🤷♂️
On June 27, 2019, the issue of health care and immigrants who are in the country illegally was raised during a Democratic debate. The 10 candidates on stage — including Biden — were asked to raise their hand "if your government plan would provide coverage for undocumented immigrants." Biden joined all the other candidates in raising his hand.
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