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@Trent0405
How are you a Democrat? Aren't you from Canada? lol
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@Trent0405
Interesting. I found my data a different way. I took the median incomes and then divided by the cost of living compared to US. (So Hawaii for instance is ~1.9x the US cost of living). Utah was my top earner and Alaska was fairly far down.
My source may have had different values.
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@Vader
Seemed like a pretty decent ad. I doubt she will win, though. She isn't from the party of free $h1t.
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@Dr.Franklin
And why do you believe that urban areas are more liberal?
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@Dr.Franklin
What about rural vs urban? That urban is more expensive and conservative states are more rural?
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@Death23
I think we are in perfect agreement on what you just outlined. A lot of those outlined programs, whatever the intention may be, ultimately raise the cost of living. Now while that may not affect those making the median of $70-80k in some of those states beyond a small to moderate blow to their standard of living, it will ultimately be catastrophic for those in the lower income brackets who then have to juggle child care, housing costs, food costs, etc.
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@Crocodile
Ah, my bad lol. Maryland is in a respectable 16th. $83,242 turns into $64,180.42.
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@Death23
Those certainly are some factors that would contribute to the higher homeless population. I'm not blaming it entirely on their taxes and regulations. Generally the largest cities in the state have more homeless people, but I doubt that homeless people are able to complete multi-state migration on such a scale as to produce the disparities we are seeing. (Also without looking too much into it lol. This thread is just partially touching on homelessness and is mainly a reference to show how policies affect cost of living)
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@Greyparrot
Lmao. Yes, if I included rioting costs, it might also get a bit worse for our liberal friends.
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@Crocodile
That is a bit deceptive to simply take median income out of context like that.
I will demonstrate the few you gave me:
Hawaii is the "second richest". Median income: $80,212 Median income adjusted for cost of living: $41,582.17. Now it is the worst
Alaska seventh. Median income: $74,346 Adjusted median: $57,233.26. Alaska is 30th.
Massachusetts fourth. Median income: $79,835 Adjusted median: $60,664.89 Massachusetts is 23rd.
As you can see, while Hawaii has one of the highest median incomes, it also has the highest cost of living, which is almost twice the US average cost of living.
Also, keep in mind that taxes were not included, so this is merely gross income. The take home pay would make the situation much worse for Blue states on average.
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This will be a list of all states and D.C. showing the cost of living from lowest to highest. Some of these states are up for debate whether they are Red or Blue, and feel free to dispute some of them. I believe that this shows a clear trend that living in a Red state is much cheaper and explains why homelessness appears to be a much larger issue in Blue states (semi-response to another thread about homelessness). It is also meant to show how drastically the two styles of governing affect the prices of goods, housing, utilities, etc.
B: Blue
S: Swing
R: Red
1 Mississippi (R)
2 Arkansas (R)
3 Oklahoma (R)
4 Missouri (R)
5 New Mexico (B)
6 Tennessee (R)
7 Michigan (B)
8 Kansas (R)
9 Georgia (R)
10 Wyoming (R)
11 Alabama (R)
12 Indiana (R)
13 Iowa (R)
14 Nebraska (R)
15 Ohio (S)
16 Kentucky (R)
17 West Virginia (R)
18 Texas (R)
19 Idaho (R)
20 Louisiana (R)
21 Illinois (B)
22 North Carolina (S)
23 South Carolina (R)
24 Arizona (R)
25 Wisconsin (S)
26 Florida (S)
27 Utah (R)
28 North Dakota (R)
29 South Dakota (R)
30 Virginia (B)
31 Minnesota (B)
32 Pennsylvania (B)
33 Colorado (B)
34 Montana (R)
35 Delaware (B)
36 Nevada (B)
37 New Hampshire (B)
38 Washington (B)
39 Vermont (B)
40 Maine (B)
41 Rhode Island (B)
42 New Jersey (B)
43 Connecticut (B)
44 Maryland (B)
45 Alaska (R)
46 Massachusetts (B)
47 Oregon (B)
48 New York (B)
49 California (B)
50 Washington D.C. (B)
51 Hawaii (B)
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@n8nrgmi
that you haven't shown a good connection between liberal policies and homelessness
You don't think that all of the taxes and regulations have any effect on the price of housing or other items?
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@n8nrgmi
How exactly would these boarding houses differ from regular "section 8" housing?
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@n8nrgmi
Interesting how homelessness increases in Blue states, yet you propose a "Blue" program to fix it.
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@Greyparrot
Also: Tell this kid to try pot if he wants to feel good. Biden is a shitty substitute drug.
Lmfao. Nice
I was thinking along the same lines when he said we want the world to "feel good". It is all about feelings, not actually having a "good" world to them, huh? It feels good to tax other people and pay for mismanaged welfare programs that you think help the poor, but it doesn't do much good, if any at all.
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@Greyparrot
Are you saying that a reduced incentive to work results in less work? Fascinating!
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@3RU7AL
Pornography ban, along with investing a lot more resources in cutting down on human trafficking. Harsher sentences for human trafficking and prostitution.
Have FCC and other regulators for media further regulate what can be said on the radio and what can be in movies at certain ratings
Not sure I would create laws around attire. Seems better served with cultural pressure. Then again... an eroding culture is how we got here.....
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@3RU7AL
Hmm, so I take it you're in favor of banning alcohol, white sugar, caffeine, marijuana, and opioid prescriptions?Isn't it funny how "drugs" ends up being a catch-all for stuff the "traditionalists" don't use?
For all of those, I would either support banning or limiting intake. While I wouldn’t consider sugar a “drug”, it is unhealthy and leads to obesity.
I would say most traditionalists do use sugar and many use alcohol to some extent as well. They don’t like abuse of those substances. Sugar (gluttony). They despise what these drugs and the related addiction do to people, as they should.
I'm not sure what you consider "degenerate", and I'd hope you'd agree that every person should have some basic sovereignty over their own body and their own property.
They should have basic sovereignty. However, degenerate in that sense is referring to a culture obsessed with sexual promiscuity, no modesty, lust, etc.
Blowing their money on "garbage" would be a huge boost to the economy!Imagine if the government only taxed dead people and left all the living people to spend TAX FREE!!
I’m not sure how buying a bunch of useless things would have a good long-term effect on the economy. That sounds like it would cause a large shift towards luxury items, which are a less efficient allocation of resources.
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@Greyparrot
Honestly, most people would either work less or spend all of their money on garbage if it was all going to go to the government if they didn’t.
Pretty much any way of using money is better than having it go to a bunch of wasteful programs
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@3RU7AL
FREEDOM AND EQUALITY ARE INVERSELY PROPORTIONAL.
Generally, yes.
In other words, "maximizing freedom" for "traditionalists" (and restricting the "freedom" of "non-traditionalists").
Not at all. Everyone has the same “freedoms” and limitations applied to them. It is all about what world you would like your children to live in. One in which the family is paramount and drug use, ho-ing around, etc are stigmatized. Or one in which you can act as degenerate as possible and hope everything works out, and everyone calls you “brave” for doing so.
How about we give people an equal education, and make inheritances and nepotism illegal.Would that see fair to you?
Seems unfair and impossible. Unless everyone goes to the same school with same teachers, it is not possible to have the same education.
I don’t personally like nepotism, but inheritances are important. You work your whole life so that you can leave something to your loved ones. Otherwise they would waste that money on useless junk before they die
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@Username
You’re making the assumption that I am a libertarian or that I am sympathetic to libertarian economic ideals. Just to set the record straight, I generally am not. Conservative is often confused with them after a different “rebranding campaign” than the one you mentioned. Mainly the Reagan era and the ensuing neoconservative era of the GOP. Conservatives based on the universal definition are mainly concerned with the social side such as maintaining order, focusing on the family unit, etc.
I believe in worker protections, although I assume that I support less than yourself. Your model was very simplistic in its nature, and simply reducing immigration (thus creating a tight labor market) would make such a scenario impossible, as workers would have more economic bargaining power. You would need a crackpot open borders, no regulation environment for such an example to be possible.
While you are correct in saying that there are hierarchical societies that don’t promote freedom, I didn’t challenge that directly. I simply stated that any free society is hierarchical since everyone is different and egalitarianism generally focuses on disparities of outcome. Closing those disparities almost always involves infringing on another’s freedom.
It also depends on the type of hierarchy you focus on. I was mainly concerned with wealth, which is based on personal decisions and work. I’d have to look into how the “employee/employer structure” you described applies to how hierarchy is generally defined by the right-wing.
Finally, you are correct in your gay marriage, immigration, etc. analogy
Conservatives believe in structured order and aforementioned traditional social values. We aren’t all about maximizing freedom as libertarians are. We are generally for maximizing freedom in ways that don’t conflict with traditional social values while still maintaining order
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@Username
The way I see it, any free society is inherently hierarchical. People are raised different, have different genetics, and make different decisions. This leads to different outcomes.
Any drastic attempt to close those differences results in less freedom, less incentive to raise in the hierarchy, etc.
Hierarchy doesn’t mean having castes or something in place to keep people in a “lower station” or anything of the sort.
Egalitarianism is based on the lie that everyone is equal and that any difference must be the result of some wrong being done against them.
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@Greyparrot
What does this have to do with the DNA of a person's melanin?
What? Being a drug addict? Not much, really
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@MisterChris
It is. He had admitted it before, when he swore off the website. However, that might have just been a ploy to get the 25 likes achievement.
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@oromagi
Also, in case you are curious, it says he had 11 ng/ml of fentanyl in his system. https://famous-trials.com/george-floyd/2648-george-floyd-the-toxicology-report
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@oromagi
Not only was what he did ‘standard procedure‘ as you said, but from what I have heard, he had well over a lethal dose of fentanyl plus he had meth in his system. So I’m not sure if Chauvin will get charged with anything related to Floyd.
Question is, when he gets off on the murder charge, will there be more riots? BLM has a history of pushing long-debunked “unjustified killings” like Michael Brown’s violence, Tamir Rice’s modified toy gun, etc.
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@fauxlaw
Look at him squirm. He obviously has a severe addiction. Some time away from the site would do him some good.
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@thett3
I absolutely agree that we shouldn’t have to justify needing a gun. However, I feel that proving the need for guns is useful in persuading the public.
I’m not sure a libertarian-esqe argument of “I should be able to own whatever I want” would resonate quite as much, but it is still important to acknowledge that.
The less ideological centrists and independents likely focus on need since gun control supposedly “saves lives”
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@n8nrgmi
Explosives: lots of collateral damage. Also terrible for self-defense
Nuke: not a personal self-defense weapon
An AR-15 on the other hand... look no further than the riots to understand why someone might require a high-capacity rifle for self-defense
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@n8nrgmi
Hmmm... explosive weapon vs firearm. Totally the same thing, amirite?
*Conservatives get owned by my (obviously) vast knowledge of guns*
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@Greyparrot
What about lasers?
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@Crocodile
"except for those few rare occurences"Ah yes, I meet 1 thousand people and I only kill 2, and I maybe assault like 10 of em. I put like 20 in my basement.I am a good guy right?
Interesting take. Now, are you a police officer dealing with a thousand CRIMINALS ? But not only meeting them, but also ARRESTING a thousand criminals (something they often resist), many of whom are violent?
I don’t know if you are purposely being dishonest or if you can’t see the obvious lunacy in your little analogy. But being a civilian meeting a thousand random people is a helluva lot different than arresting a thousand criminals in a job in which you can be killed if you make one mistake.
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*Imagine posting three sources with next to no explanation of them, then getting mad when people don't spend an hour reading all of them*
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@BearMan
The whole organization is a scam. Most of what they “protest” are “unjust” police killings of black people. It is predicated on the lie that police are shooting black men all the time and that our “racist” country doesn’t think their lives matter.
They aren’t just now going too far. They have been pushing the lie of “hands up don’t shoot” for years. They have never cared about the truth, just money and power
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@Vader
And that might be fine for you because you are politically conscious. But for all of the kids that don’t have convictions yet, they get corrupted by the system into not caring or being a super libtard. I’d rather parents have the opportunity to teach their kids free from propaganda.
But if you like lectures so much, I’m sure that public school funding could get partially cut and have teachers simply record lectures + be open to answering questions every few days
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@Vader
Why are conservatives itching to send kids to those communist indoctrination camps, also known as public schools? Defund the public schools and give money to parents so they can homeschool.
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@MisterChris
Yes, mass immigration from third world countries mixed with people fleeing California and bringing their politics with them is dragging down one of the historically most conservative states.
It really shows how the Democrat party works: when you can't convince a population, replace them.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
Virginia is looking like a lost cause. Was such a great place less than a decade ago. Maybe it pissed off gun owners enough to go out and vote.
aka tolerant leftist. they couldn't tolerate statues
I swear, Republicans will be getting hanged and all they will have to say is “heh, so much for the tolerant left”
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@Intelligence_06
I wish. More like auth-left
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
I can see that, I guess my focus was on the violence which seems pretty one sided currenly.
Right-wing tolerance is the only reason the violence is almost entirely one-sided. They better not push their luck, like that idiot down in Texas did.
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@zedvictor4
Openly disagree with the other side?
62% of Americans are afraid to express political beliefs. https://www.cato.org/publications/survey-reports/poll-62-americans-say-they-have-political-views-theyre-afraid-share
31% of liberals, 30% of moderates and 34% of conservatives are worried their political views could get them fired or harm their career trajectory.
50% of strong liberals support firing Trump donors, 36% of strong conservatives support firing Biden donors
Strong liberals stand out, however, as the only political group who feel they can express themselves.
We don't live in a free society anymore. We can't openly disagree with the other side. Disagree with what the liberal state wants you to think, and you can lose your career.
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@Dr.Franklin
Let in hundreds of thousands of immigrants, and a few years later, Northam is violating your 2nd Amendment rights.
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@Greyparrot
You know what they say: 50th times a charm
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@zedvictor4
The National elections is just part of the issue, and being one country, you can’t really do much about the electoral ramifications.
However, they are also voting this way in state elections, and that damages the state that they chose to move to. They are leaving a state and then voting for the same policies that made them leave.
However, they are also voting this way in state elections, and that damages the state that they chose to move to. They are leaving a state and then voting for the same policies that made them leave.
That is similar to an immigrant leaving Soviet Russia and then voting for the US communist party.
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@zedvictor4
No, I don’t think that a one party state is great.
While we are all one country, you have people with bad ideas in some states going into states that have historically had good policies. They then overpower the previous majority of that state and run it into the ground. That is problematic
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This article basically goes through how Democrats from Blue states leave them because of their stagnant growth to find jobs in Red states, where housing is actually affordable and most of their income isn't going towards taxes.
But here is the kicker: they continue to vote for the very policies that made their home state a stagnant, homeless-ridden sh*thole.
So, why are all of these leeches coming to Red states to take jobs and then destroy the growth that the good policies created?
Not only immigration, but also emigration are creating an electoral nightmare for Republicans. While we are gaining Pennsylvania and Michigan from emigration, we are losing Georgia, Florida, and eventually Texas. Not a good trade in the very least!
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Well, you would first have to start liking good policies in order for my arguments to convince you.
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@HistoryBuff
imagine that. when the government sends out armed thugs to shoot at you and beat you, you start bringing things to defend yourself. My god, those monsters!! don't they know good citizens simply let the police shoot them?
Lol, that is like breaking into someone’s house every night and they fend you off, then you just keep coming back more armed.
If you don’t want to deal with federal agents, maybe stop attacking federal buildings....?
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