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The cancelling of Andrew Tate is uncalled for. He is not a misogynist.
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@RationalMadman
I am not sure what the fuck has happened to people today to say it is 'misogyny' to know what being a masculine man and feminine woman is and saying 'I like to live my life this way, I will preach it and help others.'
I don't think people take issue with him being masculine and enjoying a particular dynamic in his personal romantic relationships. He preaches that every man should think exactly like he does and degrades the ones who don't.  If he was just saying "hey, this is my experience, this is what works for me and gives me self-esteem and sense of greater purpose in life" then fine, but he takes it to extremes. Promoting the idea that "real men shouldn't cry", "people who say they can have fun without alcohol are liars",  saying that he "never apologizes" because he "never makes mistakes." That is some weirdo narcissistic stuff.


Personally, he sounds like a teenage a boy projecting an a very superficial image of what it means to be a "real man." Being independent, in control of your emotions, having the ability to be a good resource for those around you, etc. those are good qualities for any human to have. Not just men. 
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A small % of black men ARE the most VIOLENT in American society
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@TWS1405
I'm just looking over the blogs "facts," and they're a little wonky:

FACT: A little less than half of the 6% black male population (3%) commit over 50% of the entire nation's #murders and non-negligent manslaughters. Not #whites. Not #Hispanics. #Blackmales
I’m going to start with a nitpick: Your blog is claiming here that 3% of black men commit over half of the nation’s murders and non-negligent manslaughters. Those numbers don’t add up. As of 2020 there were 199,100,00  black men living in the United States. 3% of 19.91 million is 597,300.

In 2020, there were 6,380 black people (gender not specified, so the real number pertaining to just black men is going to be a little lower than this) arrested for murder or non-negligent manslaughter: https://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/ucr.asp?table_in=2

That’s a lot less that 3%, that’s not even 1% of the black male population.

FACT: Black males murder more whites than vice versa. The rate of murders by blacks with white victims is staggering and flies in the face of the left's and MSM assertion otherwise. 
White people make up the majority of the population, black people are more likely to have more interactions with white people than vice versa in general not just pertaining to crime. It’s not “staggering”, it’s expected that members of the minority will have more interactions with the majority (good or bad) than vice versa.

Still, both white and black people are more likely to be attacked by members of their own race at similar rates.

FACT: The only race second to blacks who commit the most mass shootings are #Asians. Not whites. Not Hispanics. But the #MSM and leftist #whiteguilt #liberals, along with braindead #democrats, will protest endlessly that white people are the problem and none other, thereby #denying the well documented fact-based truth is that proportionally, black males are the true mass murderers in this country, not whites. 
Do you have a source for this? Because every piece of data I could find puts Asian people on the lower end of violent (or any kind really) crime perpetrators, and Hispanics third to white and black people. For example: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/table-43

The reality is, poverty is more of the greater indicator toward violent crime than race. If black people are more likely to be poor, then they are more likely to commit crime. That does not mean that most or even a significant amount of black people are criminals.

I'm going to go for a wild guess, and say that you probably don't believe that systemic racism against black people exists. But I have come across a lot of data that suggests it does (if you want to get into that, we can), society keeps black communities in a negative cycle. It's helped by people such as those who have written the articles you have sourced, to create a "boogey man" of black men, by highlighting individual cases of black violence to support a gross generalization of black males as being the, as your blog called it, "the true mass murders." It creates fear where there doesn't need to be fear. It's irrational. 

The only other note, is that it seems like your blog is focusing on the media's portrayal of mass shooters as being white men. The mass media focuses on shootings with a significant amount of death, and usually that was pre-planned with a manifesto and all that. Location matters as well, schools are always going to get prime time news spots over club shootings (unless there was significant death). It's also probable that if a shooting is happening in predominantly black area, and the parties knew each other, your average viewer isn't as invested as they would be if it happened at a parade, a school, church, supermarket, etc. It's about viewership at the end of the day. Usually white males are the ones who commit those types of shootings that have the manifesto, and have large death counts. The black mass shooters that were highlighted in the blog, they shot multiple people but number of deaths were between 0-3. Not enough for people to tune in (which is sad, any death is bad).  
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Liberals like BLM and ANTIFA are the domestic terrorists
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@TWS1405
Comparing the BLM riots, theft and billions in property damages along with the overt acts of violence to the sophomoric outbursts and minor property destruction of sports fans is a false equivalency fallacy. 

Well, you're right in that sports fans usually only go up to a few million in damages at their worst, but the opportunities (a big championship or world series) for these riots to  have an opportunity to happen, don't happen every day, and they only impact one city at a time (wherever the game was), where as with the BLM protests we are talking about thousands of protests and demonstrations all over the world over a period of 5 months. Over 7 thousand protests and demonstrations, the numbers are expected to be bigger by comparison. And still those protests were overwhelmingly peaceful.

My point is that we don't demonize an entire group based on the negative actions of the minority within that group (whether they are sports fans or political protesters), which it would seem like you are trying to do.
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Liberals like BLM and ANTIFA are the domestic terrorists
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@Vici
BLM is a terrorist organisation. They literally riot and steal, under the label of fighting for black people. Funnily, most blm chants consists of white people. 

Between May and August of 2020, there were over 7,200 BLM protests and demonstrations. 93% of them were peaceful: https://time.com/5886348/report-peaceful-protests/

There were a minority of incidents that were not peaceful, but there are bad eggs in every group. Just look at sports riots (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_riot), I wouldn't call the Red Sox a terrorist organizations because their fans loose it whenever they win or loose a world series.
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@RationalMadman

The latter lose and are outperformed, always, 100% of the time. You will never get a Laurel Hubbard of the reverse trans kind outperforming peak cis male athletes at pretty much any sport other than perhaps gymnastics.

Find me an exception, this has been allowed especially in something like Marathons (a trans man officially competed as a male).

None of this relates to the point I was raising in my original post (saying that rans-men desiring to compete with and against cis-men is not the same as saying they would dominate the competition). You have trouble staying on-topic. Anyway, I've only looked into trans-women competing in women's sports because that is all most people seem to care about.

To play with your point just a little bit: I don't necessarily disagree that it's hard to envision a trans-male athlete "dominating the competition" (though there are very few out there, and it would depend on the sport). But as far as you're comment about trans-men "lose and are outperformed, always, 100% of the time." Found a trans-male pro boxer, Patricio Manuel, he has beaten won against a cis-man. ESPN ran a story about him a day or so ago. So, I think we will see trans-male athletes who can compete against other men successfully on a professional level. That's definitely a reasonable expectation. Again, it's a wait and see. 


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@ILikePie5
Sure but you have yet to convey that in this scenario. A trans woman as a goalie compared to a cis woman still holds a superior pelvic structure which allows them to jump further, kick further, etc.
I'll be a bit more specific and break this down a little bit:

Characteristics of a good goal keeper: good jumping ability, great agility, solid catching, and fast reflexes. A physical characteristic that is going to be very important is height. You're average height for a goal-keeper on the US Women's National Soccer Team is about 5'9.

Pelvic structure might help with power, but that's only one piece to a larger puzzle.. There's a few different ways a trans-woman's "advantages" would not carry over post-HRT even if they transitioned while in adulthood. For example, the ability to move a larger-framed body with less muscle mass (due to HRT) has negative impact on a trans-woman's agility (not enough muscle mass to move the frame with high efficiancy). The lack of agility would also have negative impact on their ability to jump further and maintain fast reflexes. A cis woman with the appropriate amount of muscle mass for her frame would not experience these set-backs in agility.

I will also backtrack to your point about lung capacity. I did a bit more research. The bone structure of the diaphragm may not change post HRT, but hemoglobin levels do. They drop. Which has a proportional direct effect on VO2max levels. Meaning they don't exactly maintain that advantage. So, I guess that leaves pelvic structure, size of heart, and potential muscle memory (it appears the verdict is still out). But still no clear overall advantages.

I guess this is all to say, that you can't just look at the advantages without also studying how HRT impacts various parts of the body.

I think you misunderstood my point but ig I could have been more clear. Ofc they’re going to hire people less than 6’0 lol. But my point was they’re more likely to hire a 6’0 than a 5’6 person because of the advantage conferred. My point is that a 5’6 trans women still holds advantages that even a 6’0 male doesn’t have. It’s like having a 5’6 cis male from the NBA participate in WNBA against a 6’0 cis woman. The male wins everytime because wot the body structure which allows for dunks and hard lay ups, etc. A trans woman still brings this advantage conferred in men to a cis woman sport.

I'll reiterate my points above for this as well. There are clear advantages between cis-men and cis-women. Those advantages become less clear when HRT enters into the conversation. The fact that most of your arguments still rely on comparisons of cis-men and cis women without consideration of HRT show that there really isn't enough evidence for your side.

It would seem there is still a lot of research to be done, and perhaps we are in "too close to call" territory. Sports scientists can't seem to figure out if there is a true advantage, and if there is, how significant of an advantage. The fact is trans-women make up less than 0.6% of the population. And an even smaller percentage would be pursuing a career of a professional athlete. Laurel Hubbard is first transgender athlete to be chosen to compete at the Olympics, and trans people have been allowed to compete at the Olympics since 2004. It's going to take a while to see this have any real impact on women's sports, if it ever does. From my understanding, the few professional trans-women athletes that are competing have all experienced loses to cis-women. So, from my knowledge, we have yet to see a trans-woman athlete "win every time."



Everyone knows the reason why trans women choose to compete in cis women sports is cause it’s easier. Gender identity is only a ridiculous justification for it. And as RM mentioned, a disgrace to every aspect of women’s rights and sports.
This is a very silly thing to assume. The reality is, trans-women want to compete in cis-women's sports for the same reason trans-men want to compete in cis-male sports.

It doesn't matter if it's a trans-woman who wants to play on a woman's basketball team, a trans-man who wants to be apart of the male soccer team, or a trans-girl who wants to be apart of the girl-scouts, etc. To say that the reason they want to compete against cis women is "because it's easier", ignores the reality that trans people are always going to be included as the gender they identify as, not the gender they don't, regardless of whether we're talking about sports or not. The reason why? Gender dysphoria: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/gender-dysphoria/symptoms-causes/syc-20475255


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@ILikePie5


No. I left out the part where even after you lose muscle it’s easy to gain back because of muscle memory. Transwomen already have an inherent advantage. It’s simply unfair to the cis woman who has been practicing her entire life for this only to be defeated by a trans woman who is physiologically superior.
Trans women are not going to gain back the same muscle they had pre-HRT. But you're right in that there is some question as to how much they retain. It seems the results are mixed. I would still say this is a good point, but all of the research I've seen (including research that suggest trans-women to hold onto advantage in muscle strength) suggests there is still a lot more research to be done before any real conclusions can be drawn. I'll leave this point for now.

I disagree. They’re inherent in virtually every sport that requires any form of strength.
I mean, obviously being a goalie on a soccer team and being a runner are going to rely on different advantages. The significance is going to vary.


Trans women have more stamina contributed by their larger heart and placement of diaphragm muscles. The way you characterize it, there’s no measurable way you could make that a rule even if you wanted too. In my opinion a 5’6 trans women wouldn’t even play in the WNBA because they’re that short - a physical attribute which is unchangeable.

I disagree. Your analogy lacks merit. A 5’6 transwomen would never play in the WNBA in the first place because they’re short which is a physical attribute. Your what if scenario doesn’t work lol.

Being short is an inherent disqualifier in terms of basketball regardless of your sex at birth lol
Well, I'll help out your "opinion" a little bit here (a quick google search could have helped you out as well): Like I said, the average WNBA player tends to be 6'0 (or around there), but the shortest ever was 5'2. There have been other players 5'6 and under as well. So, you're wrong. But that's fine. My point is that short players obviously have to be very good or have benefits in other ways to counteract their lack of height. So, at what point is an advantage truly significant when there are multiple factors that determine an athlete's performance? And how significant are those advantage when the player also has clear disadvantages that most other players don't share? 
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@badger
You're deciding upon whether a person can compete or not depending upon any advantages they might have or not have. Before they've run at all, if it were running, for example.

It's very silly. It's the outcomes of performances or competitions being decided by a committee. 


Eh. It would be somewhat similar to how it works for the Olympics now: Trans athlete would qualify. The committee would determine whether they are on fair playing field with cis women based on pre-determined regulations. If they're not, then they don't get to play. My version would just be more detailed. I think there would have to be some documentation essentially displaying the range of physical characteristics of the cis women players of that particular sport (muscle strength, height, weight, hormones, etc.) And see where the trans player's own physical characteristics fall within that data. If their own physical characteristics show clear overall  advantage over the other players, then they don't get to play.

Of course, this is hypothetical. I'm just spitting ideas. I'm just saying, we don't necessarily have to have such a generalized take on this, when there's obviously a lot more nuance at play.
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@badger

Your compromise sounds like match fixing. Make what you like of that, but it's silly.

You're going to have to elaborate.

"In organized sportsmatch fixing occurs as a match is played to a completely or partially pre-determined result, violating the rules of the game and often the law. The most common reason is to obtain a payoff from gamblers, but teams may also intentionally perform poorly to gain a future advantage, such as a better draft pick[A] or, on paper, a less eminent opponent in a play-off.[B] A player might also play poorly to rig a handicap system."

In my example, the player isn't pretending to play poorly. It's that the player in question's mix of physical advantages and disadvantages does not put them at an overall advantage against teammate or opponents.
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@RationalMadman
Wrong, don't lie about me.

I will call a trans or nonbinary person by their preferred pronouns always.

I actually personally know of a trans person IRL.
I mean, I didn't say you were a jerk. I'm sure you're very respectful. My assumption (not a lie, just my personal read) about you is that conversations around transgender people seems to trigger anxiety more than approval. You just changed the subject to a conversation about trans people in sports, to another unrelated issue with trans people (when is the appropriate age to start transitioning). That's not really a rational train of thought I'm seeing here. You're jumping from one anxiety about trans people to another anxiety about trans people with appropriately addressing any arguments.



I am disgusted singularly by the sympathy card bding abused in thr case of allowing male-sex athletes to ruin and rob females of their female-only section and its protection to allow female athletes to achieve just as well as male athletes for the same effort.
You haven't presented any evidence for trans-women who are on HRT show significant advantages. You just keeping going back to the point that men are stronger than women, no one is contesting that. It just doesn't seem like you actually know much about what HRT does.


I am further disgusted that teens are having their puberty ruined, absolutely destroyed, in order to respect the sudden frenzied cry of the adolescent that they want to never become a man or woman.

We don't let them vote (below 18) so we shouldn't let them remotely decide something like that until then. Some late bloomers only finish puberty at around 20-21 (yes, seriously, the clue is often in the facial structure and stuff) so I wouldn't want theirs interrupted.

Puberty is a natural thing all humans are biologically designed from benefitting having gone through at the end. A boy doesn't grow into a woman because you've ruined his body's development as a man.

Right. This is a separate discussion so I'll try to stay on topic. But I think that most kids who are questioning their gender, especially nowadays, are going to encounter more non-transitioning non-binary people than medically transitioned binary trans people (in real life and the interwebz). I don't think this scary influence of pro-trans politics is as influential as you think it is. 

Any sort of medical intervention for trans kids is rare and is only reserved for kids who are showing extreme dysphoria (which is not the same as simply questioning your gender or not fitting into gender stereotypes).

I won't go further into it than that. But maybe I'll start another topic on that conversation.


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@ILikePie5
Hey, thank ya for the read! 

Here’s a great Q&A with Alison Heather, Professor of Physiology at Otago University, who co-authored a report published in the BMJ Journal of Medical Ethics. I’ll give a brief summary here and you can read the rest.

What are the physiological differences between the male and female athlete?

Many, particularly in the musculoskeletal system and the cardiorespiratory system which underpin underpin athletic performance.

The musculoskeletal system is made up of our muscles and our bones. Males have larger and stronger bones than females. This is predetermined in utero because the male embryo produces testosterone, and emerges during puberty where boys grow taller and stronger. The stronger bones of males allows them to resist more trauma.

As well as length and strength, males can have different shaped bones to females. For example, the pelvis is wider in the females and narrower in males. This creates a different angle at the hip to which the leg bones attach, which changes the amount of force that can be generated by the knee when lifting, jumping, kicking or cycling. The narrower angle in a male allows for more force. The wider hips of females also means that the elbow joint angle is larger so the hands can swing without hit the hips.

Research shows that increased testosterone leads to increased muscle mass and associated power. However, males also have a higher percentage of type II muscle fibres, the explosive muscle type. This benefits males for such sports as powerlifting, jumping and sprinting. Females have more type I fibres, and coupled with increased fat mass, have a strong endurance capability for long-distance events (eg. ultramarathons).

The bone structure of the diaphragm differs between males and females. In females, this is placed higher to allow for pregnancy, and so females inherently have a smaller lung region.

In addition to this, early life testosterone exposure in males increases the number of alveoli (little sacs in the lungs that take oxygen from the air and put it in our blood to take to the tissues of our body) and so males have a greater capacity for oxygen uptake.

Oxygen is very important for active skeletal muscle. The more oxygen, the faster and longer one can go. So males can take up more oxygen into their blood because of male physiology that was determined around birth.

Oxygenated blood is pumped around the body to active skeletal muscles by the heart. The heart is bigger in average males to average females, and this stays true even allowing for males being bigger on average than females.  So the male heart can literally pump more blood per beat and get that oxygenated blood to skeletal muscles faster and more efficiently.

This is the crux of the argument: “All of these male physiology components are regulated, at least in part, by the male sex hormone, testosterone. However, what is largely misunderstood or ignored by current debate, is it is not just current, circulating levels of testosterone that drive many of these components, but a life-long exposure to testosterone that started in utero, continued in early infancy, and then was cemented during the pubertal years.”

Trans women have had a lifetime of these innate advantages because of their chromosomes that puts them at an inherent physical advantage compared to cis-women.


So just to break this down, the areas of advantage that HRT may have no effect are:

  • Pelvis size
  • Lung capacity
  • Size of heart
I left out bone density/muscle because the studies I've read/shared here addressed the break down of bone mass and muscle atrophy under HRT, and also how bone density tends to vary more across race than gender.

But the other three, I'll accept. I guess where I'm headed is, do you think there is a compromise somewhere? Or instead of banning trans-women outright it could be a case by case basis based on the individual? The significance of those inherent advantages will vary depending on the sport, and the other advantages the trans player in question lacks. Say there is a trans-woman basketball player who is skilled and she has those three advantages listed above. But she's short. She's 5'6. The average WNBA player is 6'0. Does that handicap create a balance for her  that makes her a fair teammate/opponent? I would say that it could. And that's just one example, there's many different scenarios where a balance can be found. 


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@SkepticalOne
I'm an agnostic. But I have a feeling what many people experience as God, another person might call intuition, gut, or instinct. It's something you have to pay attention to, usually with a clear mind, and often times it's a muscle that has to be strengthened. 
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@RationalMadman
Yeah yeah, sure sure live in your fucking fantasy.

It's true that if they destroy a boy,  a man during his puberty being too afraid to be called transphobic and pump him full of oestrogen and damaging sterilising substances, he can then fail to develop as a man.

That's a tragedy and I'm sick of being told that to be left-wing I need to support this shit to people too young to make informed decisions that permanently damage them.


I am open to having my mind changed, I just need to see...good arguments. Trust me, my initial reaction to all of this wasn't positive either, but I like to research issues before I form a real opinion. I have a feeling a lot of people in this thread made up their mind before the research process. That's never a good thing.

But like the other poster, it seems your issue is with transgenderism in and of itself, and that's a whole other conversation before we get to any sports talk or else we'll never be on the same page.
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@RationalMadman

But higher than cis females, you know Laurel still has her testicles or am I incorrect on this?
The high risk for osteoporosis would indicate that the bone density is often low even for cis female standards. I don't know anything about Laurel's genitals. 
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@RationalMadman
Regarding bone density being higher in males and almost permanently so post-puberty. Plenty, I linked to two that both admit it. It's a well known fact in all mammals.
I linked to multiple studies that explain how HRT effects bone density. Trans-women have a much lower bone mass than cis males. One of the studies I linked also highlights that trans-women are considered high risk for osteoporosis because of the impact that HRT has on bone density/health.
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@ILikePie5

You’re not considering bone structures that are different for men and women. No amount of hormones can change your birth bone structures without affecting the rest of your body. The pelvis is the biggest of these bone structures which inherently gives males advantages in most sports.

Do you have any resources I could look at that would explain the significance of the advantages of bone structure when paired with the effects of HRT?
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@Lemming
I appreciate your thoughtfulness. It sounds like your hang up with it starts with the idea of transgenderism in and of itself. Which would be a separate, probably much longer conversation.
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@RationalMadman
Finally! Someone linking to some sources. Let's go..

Wait actually this is hilarious, you're denying basic science rn so all I have to do is give sources stating the blatant right?

Okay.

I'll give one each.

So, this article explains how men and women experience pain differently. It points to testosterone as a pain reducer. This is a quote from the article: "On the basis of his team’s experiments with castration and testosterone treatments in mice, Mogil thinks that pain pathways will be determined by hormone levels. He predicts that people with more than a certain threshold of testosterone will have pain mechanisms associated with males, and those whose testosterone falls below that level will experience pain through mechanisms common in females."

So, a trans-woman who is on testosterone blockers will experience pain in a way that is common in females. 


Explanation of non-testosterone raw vody structure advantage males have over females in almost all sports: https://www.livestrong.com/article/509536-muscular-strength-in-women-compared-to-men/
This article only explains the differences between cis men and cis women (which no one is contesting). It's does not explain the differences between trans women on HRT and cis women.


A battle between women and men (it ties them in results but concedes a huge amount of irrefutable physical advantage to males, this is a psychology article so it's more than just raw strength in what's discussed):



You can't accuse a single ine of corrupt agenda, each concedes blatant facts 
Again, no one is contesting the difference between men and women this way. What we're trying to find is what are the differences between trans-women on HRT and cis women. Are those differences significant? Does it depend on the individuals? Should it be a case by case basis? 
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@RationalMadman
Love you too, bro.
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@Lemming
Sure. I believe that trans-women who are on HRT (hormone replacement therapy), and have testosterone levels similar to or lower than that of what is allowed/expected for cis women, should be allowed to compete. I think that’s fair.

It’s important to point out: Most professional sports have very strong regulations that target hormones, there are cis women who have been kept out of competitions for having higher than allowed testosterone levels (that they produced naturally). Some might say that the regulations are too strict, but that’s another conversation and not one I’ve looked too deeply into.

A common argument against trans-women competing in women’s sports is in-regards to bone density. The idea being that the bone-density gains obtained pre-HRT don’t go away post-HRT. It’s a bit of a weird argument, because bone-density varies greatly through-out many different demographics not necessarily always aligned with gender/sex. For example, the average bone-density of African-American women is comparable to that of white males (http://courses.washington.edu/bonephys/opbmd.html). 

Multiple studies show that trans women have a high prevalence of low bone mass compared to men:
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs12018-019-09261-3

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/230706285_Long-Term_Evaluation_of_Cross-Sex_Hormone_Treatment_in_Transsexual_Persons

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1094695008005015

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/cen.13607?casa_token=7FEI23bFTPgAAAAA%3A0wOlgCmTEeIWlpQcDsqyN3cucpW5Iet6AbZVj3nOFSw2sl-GjycLMR5h5eJaAxvqG9wlwtQSXeqRnRRE

Another useful finding:

This study concludes that trans athletes maintain their skill level relative to the gender they competed against. For example, if a trans-woman competed against men before they transitioned, and performed excellently. They would also perform excellently post-transition against women. But if they were at the 50% mark pre-transition against men, then they would be at the 50% mark post-transition against women: http://xpuz.sportsci.org/2016/WCPASabstracts/ID-1699.pdf

I’ll stop there for now. I’m open to opposing arguments, but I do think this is a discussion that requires a lot of nuance and less generalizations. The stance that no trans-women being allowed to compete makes less sense to me than certain trans-women should be allowed to compete as long as they meet the right criteria.
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@RationalMadman
I get why people have a negative reaction to trans people competing in sports. Superficially, a negative reaction makes sense. But upon further research, I think trans women competing with cis women is fine as long as they fall within the regulations.
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New Zealand weightlifter Laurel Hubbard to be first transgender athlete to compete at Olympics
"WELLINGTON, New Zealand -- Weightlifter Laurel Hubbard will be the first transgender athlete to compete at the Olympics.
Hubbard was among five weightlifters confirmed Monday in New Zealand's team for Tokyo. At 43, she will also be the oldest weightlifter at the games, and will be ranked fourth in the competition on Aug. 2 for women 87 kilograms (192 pounds) and over."

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Overrated Music Artists/Bands
I'm going with post-90s Green Day. Their songs about being bored were more interesting than their songs about politics(which just like a weird parody of punk). 

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Double Standard For Females
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@Vader
First things first, I don't promote any unhealthy eating habits described in this post. I believe being overweight is not a good thing (as I was once overweight in my life and hated it), but I am only here to promote a double standard females set for themselves while contrasting it to other men

Body positivity is something that has been floating around with females and how you should feel comfortable in your own skin. The message itself was started by third of fourth wave feminism which I actually think is a good message. Being happy with yourself and your own skin makes you succeed more in life, as various studies conducted by experts in mental health have proven this. The message they created is a great message, but the problem then becomes the double standard.

When I was a male, I struggled with the same love for myself that women do, hating my weight and myself for it. I decided to lose weight so I could love myself again. This standard of body positivity could be applied to men as well (men who don't have toned abs, dark hair or blonde hair, etc.), but modern feminists yet again demean men for their weight while trying to hold us to the standard they want without holding themselves accountable as well. 

The lack of holding themselves to the same standards they want for others goes to prove that modern feminism is nothing more than the defamation of men so that women can be superior to their male counterparts, only proving that the ideas shared of this feminism are extremely dangerous, and how the ideas they share are double standards for themselves, but hey, since the Democrats run everything, you might as well just push the nonsensical bullshit legislation going on. 
Eh. I don't think I've "modern feminists" demean men for their weight. My problem with these types of takes is that, feminist based movements were started by women who were fed up by some aspect of society that was hurting them. Men are very capable of doing the same thing, but I often see some men choose to complain about how there is no movement for them...instead of just creating one or engaging in the ones that already exist.

I think that historically women's looks have been scrutinized more heavily than men's , so they have been the primary focus for the body positive movement. Though I have noticed that queer men are often involved in the movement as well. I think it's harder for straight men to be open about those types of insecurities, but I think we're starting to see a change. Jonah Hill made a social media post that went viral and was very much celebrated detailing his insecurities about swimming without a shirt. We just need to see more of that vulnerability from men.

Actually, just google "male body positivity" and you'll see that it's becoming more talked about:




And let's not forget the celebration of the "dad bod":

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Tried to use my DebateArt skills on Twitter.
Twitter is like intellectual fast food. It's quick and easy, and bad for you in the long run. It's a sometimes food. 
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ALL LIVES MATTER
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@Intelligence_06
As a "fan" of Billie Eilish, I find it completely ironic at her criticism of "All lives matter", as she says "Stop making everything about you".

Black people are making the movement about themselves, or it at least appears so, because "Black lives matter" as the title does not include other minorities. Changing one word isn't that hard.

Stop making everything about you, Black people. We never said you don't matter when we said All lives matter. You are lives, you matter. There are other groups of people that need help just like you, the LGBT, the Muslim immigrants... Black lives matter isn't enough. All lives matter. All of them. Change the slogan. This isn't just about black people.

As someone who doesn't really follow Billie Eilish, I think the idea behind her statement may be that we live in a society that has often ignored many issues that are big within the black community, and has centered white people (there are benefits to being apart of a majority). So, white people being offended that something doesn't include their experiences comes across as hypocritical and unnecessary.

Black Lives Matter is about shedding light on prevalent in the black community. The problem with "All Lives Matter" is that, while it's true, it's not specific enough. If an organization becomes too broad in what it's trying to accomplish then it becomes very easy for people within the minority of that organization to fall through the cracks. We have organizations like the ACLU that cover the "All Lives Matter" approach. We have the Human Rights Campaign that centers LGBT issues, American Immigration Council that focuses specifically on issues that immigrants face, Muslim Advocates which centers anti-Muslim bigotry, etc. 

Issues and experiences that are prevalent in one community may not be prevalent in all communities so it's helpful to have multiple organizations that can speak in detail to the specific issues a particular community might face. Back to ACLU, they have included police brutality in their fight since the 1950s, but that's not all they focus on. They focus on many issues that affect many different communities, and it's important and beneficial work. Yet, in recent years, their campaigns have not make the same impact that Black Lives Matter did in regards to racism in law enforcement/legal system/society. Black Lives Matter influenced the ACLU on re-centering issues of racism in law enforcement/legal system, and ACLU has been a big support to BLM. It helps to have organizations/movements that center specific issues to make impact and change. These organizations can also work along side each other. 

Black Lives Matter has also been active in issues affecting immigration, LGBTQ, non-black victims of police brutality, etc. At the end of the day, actions speak louder than words. If you're getting hung up on the name, then you don't (and some are resistant to) understand the context.
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The troops want a new commander in chief
It came as a shock, then, when the Military Times reported on Monday: “In the latest results — based on 1,018 active-duty troops surveyed in late July and early August — nearly half of respondents (49.9 percent) had an unfavorable view of the president, compared to about 38 percent who had a favorable view. Questions in the poll had a margin of error of up to 2 percent.” Forty-two percent had a very unfavorable view of President Trump. The bottom line: “Among active-duty service members surveyed in the poll, 41 percent said they would vote for Biden, the Democratic nominee, if the election was held today. Only 37 percent said they plan to vote to re-elect Trump.”
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The Military Times poll confirms some of their concerns. For example, “Only about 17 percent of those surveyed felt the White House has properly handled reports that Russian officials offered bounties for Afghan fighters to target and kill American troops, an issue Trump has dismissed as unreliable intelligence. Nearly 47 percent disagreed with his statements.” When it comes to deploying troops domestically to quell protests, as Trump has suggested repeatedly, 74 percent of respondents were opposed. Interestingly, “Troops agreed with Trump’s assessment of China as a national security threat (nearly 87 percent called it a significant concern) but ranked Russia (81 percent) well above Iran (58 percent). Only about 21 percent of troops saw immigration as a significant national security issue, but 48 percent identified white nationalists as a concern.”
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Political Correctness
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I agree with your thoughts on it. I think you offer a good example of a perhaps unnecessary addressing of perceived racism. There could be a much bigger conversation about the "n word," and when it's appropriate to use, but I'll save that for another thread.

I think I take issue with the tendency from certain members of the right  to throw "Political Correctness" around any time a member of the left takes a positive stance on issues regarding minority/marginalized demographics. The term has been abused as I've see it frequently used where it does not apply. It gets used to automatically discount those accused of being "too PC" as being insincere/over-sensitive, thus relieving the accuser of having to engage in any real dialogue surrounding particular issues. Intellectual laziness.


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Political Correctness
Thoughts? Growing problem in society or non-issue?

I think it's a largely overblown issue. For example, take the "war on Christmas", and the assumption that big box retail is more concerned with virtue signaling than widening the targeted demographics in their marketing to make more holiday money. That's a bit of a silly assumption to make. But that's simply one angle on it, obviously there are many directions this conversation can go.
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Who are the best and worst Left and right wing figures.
Worst left wing=Bill Maher


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Welcome to DART: Introduce Yourself
Hey all.

My name is Lena. I'm on the liberal side of things. I joined because I have a debate itch I haven't scratched in awhile. 

Additional stuff:

-Big music nerd. Can talk about that all day. Play guitar as well.
-Also big into photography 
-Have recently gotten into learning front end web development. Still a beginner. Need to get a better study schedule down for that.


Anyway, look forward to getting to know you all. 
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