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He has an ethical duty to acknowledge the vote count was a mistake and will do so.
This is correct. Mod mistakes are not the fault of players, and therefore should not impact the game. Mistakes will happen, but when they do, the mod needs to take action to prevent those mistakes from having an undue material impact on the course of the game.
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@Cogent_Cognizer
It is a fairly common occurrence on DART/DDO mafia for dead players to be recycled. Using dead players is beneficial in some respects (e.g. they have less catching up to do) and deleterious in others (e.g. they may enter with inside information). The OP of DP1 notes that I reserve, with some qualification, the right to replace in every dead player once if need be.Are you sure that's a good idea to have speed be the replacement?
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@Cogent_Cognizer
That was an error on my part. The final count post has been edited to reflect the count as it ought to have been originally posted.
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Vote Count
Disc (1/6) - Club
Oro (2/6) - Wylted, Grey
Wylted (2/6) - Pie, Cogent
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Attention
Speed is replacing Oro. Oro has advised me that he will no longer be able to actively participate in the game starting Tuesday, hence the replacement.
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LYNCHED LAST DP
Press - You are SEAN O'PRY. As a highly successful model, your presence and all-American facial features have earned you acclaim and placed you in high demand. That being said, I never found you attractive. Being frank, your looks strike me more as skeletal than sensual. Therefore, you are VANILLA. You have no role. You win with the town.
DIED IN THE NIGHT
Speed - You are SHAWN MENDES. Your music is not good, but who honestly cares? Your hair, your face, your body...You could visit me any night. Therefore, you are the compulsive VISITOR. Each night, you must choose another player to visit. Your visit has no effect on you or on your target. If you fail to submit a target, one will be randomly selected for you. You win with the town.
GRAVEYARD
Press - Sean O'Pry, Vanilla - Town
Speed - Shawn Mendes, Visitor - Town
LIVING PLAYERS
Warren
Cogent
Club
Grey
Disc
Pie
Mhar
Oro
Wylted
Supa
With 10 players, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
The DP ends at 8:30pm, EST, on 8/29/19.
The DP ends at 8:30pm, EST, on 8/29/19.
Good luck! And let the day phase begin!
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@PressF4Respect
You are dead. Cease any and all game-related communications forthwith.
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Final Count
Press (7/7) - Supa, Press, Speed, Club, Wylted, Disc, Pie
Mhar (1/7) - Oro
VTNL (1/7) - Cogent
Result
Press was lynched (on page 18)! He was innocent.
Submit night actions! The NP will last 48 hours.
Stop posting.
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Vote Count
Club (1/7) - Pie
Press (2/7) - Supa, Press
Mhar (2/7) - Speed, Oro
VTNL (1/7) - Cogent
Supa (2/7) - Wylted, Grey
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@PressF4Respect
No. Once you are confirmed to be killed (either by lynch or NK) you must immediately halt all participation in the game.
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Vote Count
Club (1/7) - Pie
Press (5/7) - Wylted, Supa, Press, Grey, Cogent
Mhar (2/7) - Speed, Oro
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@crossed
RM is free to return at any time he deems fit, or not at all. He has the power to make that choice, and he needs to decide how to exercise it in the way that is most beneficial for him.
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@Dr.Franklin
Strictly speaking, it's not so much an issue of fairness as it is an issue of rule-compliance. We try to craft rules to prohibit unfair voting practices, but ultimately some unfair votes will not break the rules and will therefore pass moderation review.I think if the vote is unfair, just remove it, that's what I suggest
Again, I am not commenting on the specific examples you cited, because I am unfamiliar with the circumstances surrounding them and your complaint. Rather, I am speaking broadly about what moderation endeavors to do.
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@Pinkfreud08
Dump him. Do it in person, but do it in a public place and have a friend with you.
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@Ramshutu
We can only remove reported votes.
This is also correct. If a vote is not reported, it will not be dealt with.
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@Dr.Franklin
Mods have had votes for and against them removed. Mods have even had their own votes removed. Mods are not above the rules, and no mod is ever permitted to self-moderate (that is, to moderate their own votes or votes on their own debates). While I am not familiar with the particular examples, it is possible that due to a lack of time, the vote simply was not addressed before the voting window closed. This is, unfortunately, not something that impacts just mods; cases of last minute vote bombs standing have occurred several times. The long-term remedy, I think, is to enable mods to remove votes even after the voting period has closed--that is a feature we do not currently have on the site.
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Time Check
Approximately 52 hours remain in the DP. Remember to be and stay active.
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Vote Count
Club (1/7) - Pie
Press (4/7) - Wylted, Supa, Press, Grey
Cogent (1/7) - Cogent
Mhar (2/7) - Speed, Oro
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Vote Count
Club (2/7) - Pie, Oro
Press (4/7) - Wylted, Supa, Press, Grey
Cogent (1/7) - Cogent
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Vote Count
Club (3/7) - Pie, Oro, Press
Press (1/7) - Wylted
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@PressF4Respect
I cannot and will not publicly comment on the truthfulness of anything anyone says in the game.
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Attention
Please keep spam posts (posts not related to the game) to a minimum. They clutter the DP for everyone. Too much of a good thing...
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Vote Count
Club (3/7) - Pie, Oro, Press
Press (2/7) - Disc, Wylted
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@Wylted
We need to get some reads. Please answer the following g questions
You don't know how hard I laughed...
Vote count coming soon.
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Welcome to Celebrity Mafia!
RULES
Read all of the following information carefully. It will behoove you to do so.
Activity
You are required to make 15 posts per DP. At least 7 of those posts must be substantive. A substantive post is any post that advances the progress of the game. The determination of what is or is not a substantive post is mine, and mine alone, to make.
Failure to meet this activity standard makes you eligible for replacement. If you know in advance that you won't be active, tell me ahead of time, otherwise I will have a lot less sympathy for you. For those who were insufficiently active but who had legitimate reasons for the low activity, I will expect you to make up for your inactivity in the next DP. You may receive 1 activity prompt in the last 24 to 12 hours of a DP; this is not guaranteed. A failure to get this prompt out to you will not excuse any inactivity.
PM Etiquette
Don't use PM structure, wincons, PM time stamps, or things of that ilk as points of analysis in the game. Discussion of these issues is strictly prohibited. You may not C/P anything from your PMs into the game or take photos of your PMs. There is to be no communicating via non-mod-initiated methods, even with teammates or hydra-halves. This means there is to be no game-related discussion on G+ hangouts, rabb.it hangouts, unauthorized PMs on site, PMs offsite, etc. If you suspect or know that any such communication is taking place, you are obligated to inform me immediately.
Remember, paraphrasing is your friend. You may only paraphrase PM content. An acceptable paraphrase should substantially change the original wording of the passage, and that change should be noticeably more than mere deletion, addition, or substitution. I am willing to pre-screen your paraphrases if I have time. Violation of the rules in this section ("PM Etiquette") are the most severe breaches of rules in my games, and will most likely result in instantaneous mod-kills.
Other Issues
Observe civil and good conduct. Except in cases of exceptional rudeness, anyone who violates the conduct policy will receive 1 warning. Violations past that warning will result in you being replaced or mod-killed. What constitutes civil and good conduct is at my discretion. Additionally, all players must play to their wincon. Attempts to throw the game will not be tolerated. Play to win. Finally, excessive spamming, post editing, trolling, or thread derailment will also not be tolerated, and operates on the "1 warning, then replacement/mod-kill" paradigm. I reserve the right to bring back in any previously eliminated player as a replacement at least once, unless that player had an investigative role and received results prior to being eliminated.
Cycles and Voting
All DPs will be 72 hours long. NPs will be 48 hours long; however, if all actions are submitted early, the NP may be concluded earlier. No NP will be concluded before at least 12 hours have elapsed. I am willing to grant extensions for the DPs or NPs upon request, but it will be at my discretion whether to grant those requests. DP extensions will be 12-24 hours; NP extensions will be 6-12 hours. Votes or unvotes cast in twilight will not be assessed. Once a lynch is secured, the DP immediately ends; you must refrain from posting after a lynch is announced or secured. Only two warnings will be offered in twilight reminding people to stop posting. Posting after the warnings may result in a mod-kill. A policy of majority (as opposed to plurality) lynching is in force for this game. You are not required to unvote before re-voting, but you are required to use the acronym "VTL" to preface your votes and to bold your votes. Sometimes, when I am in a hurry, I will do a ctrl+f search for "VTL" and "unvote;" so using those specific phrases is important for ensuring an accurate count.
THEME
The theme of this game is "celebrities." By a "celebrity" I mean "a person who is or once was famous." This theme is largely self-explanatory and should be easily navigated.
RESOURCES
*neither a comprehensive nor a definitive list
LIVING PLAYERS
Warren
Cogent
Club
Grey
Disc
Pie
Mhar
Speed
Oro
Wylted
Supa
Press
With 12 players, it takes 7 votes to lynch.
The DP ends at 11:15pm, EST, on 8/26/19
The DP ends at 11:15pm, EST, on 8/26/19
Good luck! And let the games begin!
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@oromagi
The game is about to begin. I will attempt to find a sub, but in the meantime please post as much as is practicable for you.
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@PressF4Respect
Okay. Then, when the rules are posted, it will be crucial for you to read them carefully. If you have any questions about the basics of mafia or the rules, you can ask me in whatever PM I send you.
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For the record, Nd2 has been banned for multi-accounting and other misconduct. In exchange for agreeing to publicly apologize, his permanent ban has been commuted into a 3-month temporary ban. Here is a list of all of Nd2's multis: Superfly, Tax900, Sorrymilliontimes, High, 6000yyyt, whatthef, Toystory77, Shock555, Savethree, Tou88, Tjfour00, Fireball, Lion1950, Tyjlille, Bgyihf, Gggyyyy, Tellg, Sos33, Fog1000, Ggg666, Wrongagain, Wrongagain5005, Whybitch, Howdygut, Taguit, Bbby, Gyourbite, Heyu, Gotu, Tobad, Knowledgekim, 2499s, Thering, Exotic666, Mr.Wonderful, Toughasnailsg, Youarewrong, Meandyou, Joyous, Yeahuknow, Topfuck, Hmmuuu, Itcoming, Yeppers, MRTi, Imhere, Superhero, mynameiswhat, Fkyou1, Hyuytrdc, What99, Meone, Lllggg, Slug, Thefff
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I need just one more volunteer!
My plan is to start this tomorrow regardless, but I could really use just one extra player.
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@David
@Ramshutu
@Discipulus_Didicit
Shouldn't two be an obvious yes?
Moderation exists to enforce site rules. We are not hired muscle who enforce whatever rules individual users want to impose on their debates. Special rules for debates are not site rules, and so not subject to moderation enforcement.
The appropriate enforcers of a debate's special rules are the voters. A voter may cite a debate's special rules as the primary or sole basis for their voting decision; moderation will generally not remove such a vote. However, neither will we remove a vote which ignores those special rules, but is otherwise sufficient.
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@ILikePie5
I still need at least one more player. I will wait to see if anyone bites.
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Sign-Up List
1. Warren
2. Cogent
3. Club
4. Grey
5. Disc
6. Pie
7. Mhar
8. Speed
9. Oro
10. Wylted
11. Supa
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
@Wylted
@blamonkey
@Vader
@K_Michael
Ping
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1. Warren
2. Cogent
3. Club
4. Grey
5. Disc
6. Pie
7. Mhar
8. Speed
9. Oro
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Something is reactionary when it arises as a backlash to an ongoing issue, when it is almost exclusively geared towards addressing that one issue, and when it is not rooted in some kind of structured philosophy.What makes something reactionary?Populism is not an ideology?
I might refer to populism as an ideology, but strictly speaking, I don't think that's correct. It is rather a descriptor for certain kinds of movements or sociopolitical waves.
How is this not a liberal idea?
It's classic liberal, which means Republican or right-of-center.
However, as I have said before, I use the term liberal to refer to American political liberalism, which is heavily left-of-center. It is clearly not a left-of-center idea, and thus not liberal.
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@TheRealNihilist
That is an asinine thing to say. Water--as a word--has meaning, but having a meaning is not the same has having an identity. Similarly, water--as a thing--has a name, but having a name is not the same as having an identity. "John" is not someone's identity though it is a name which has meaning.Water does have an identity. It is the one we chose to give it.
An identity, as I used and am using the term, is a self-constructed idea of who we are as entities. Since water is not self-aware, it is precluded from having an identity. And, because water only has properties and functions, it is not a good analog to trans women, who also have identities.
Consider: John may identify as American even if John not an American citizen. Suppose perhaps that John has spent 80 of his 81 years alive in this country, and therefore has constructed an identity for himself which constitutes him as American.
Similarly: Mary may identify as a Woman even if Mary is not a biological female. Suppose perhaps that Mary has spent 20 of her 23 years alive feeling like she is a woman, and therefore has constructed an identity for herself which constitutes her as a Woman.
When someone calls John an American (or when he calls himself that), he is not being called that because of his properties and abilities, but because of his identity. When someone calls Mary a Woman (or when she calls herself that), she is not being called that because of her properties and abilities, but because of her identity. Therefore, when one understands the difference between sex and gender, it is not illogical or incorrect to refer to trans women as women, given that their gender identity is female.
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@David
The second question will not be MEEPed. Voting moderators should never enforce the special rules of debates; if the voters want to enforce those rules using their votes, they may, but moderators will not remove votes which do not conform to those special rules.
This is longstanding precedent.
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@TheRealNihilist
Yes exactly the same with trans women
No. Because while water may have properties, make up, and functions, it does not have an identity, which is a constructed self-image. It is precisely this that makes water a terrible analogy. People have constructed self-images that constitute identities. When we refer to trans women as women, we do so to respect their identity, not to describe their genetic make up.
When there is a left wing populist. What doesn't make them a progressive?
Populism is reactionary, progressivism is ideological. Therein lies the difference.
A liberal can have socioeconomic components that are not considered progressive. This can be being for free trade.
A liberal can have ideas which are not liberal. Very few people are so ideologically consistent that 100% of their views fit their ideological orthodoxy. I would not describe free trade as a liberal idea either, though some liberals believe in it.
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@Snoopy
What is it we are progressing from, problems faced by society?
I don't honestly find that to be an important question. It is a name, and names of political movements are often designed to advertise rather than describe. Even so, if we are progressing from something, it is probably the past. Progressivism, as a name, implies a steady movement forward.
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@ILikePie5
Definitely not a fraud; if anyone believes what they say, Warren and Sanders do. And nothing wrong with a dash of socialism.Lmao she’s a fraud and a socialist in terms of redistribution of wealth
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