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@oromagi
>are you interested in a moderator here?  There may be an opening and you'd certainly make a good judge.

Likely not.  I think that if someone is going to perform free labor, it should be someone who is not me.

I also just don't care what happens here. 

I don't know anyone except for the few remaining DDO legacies, and I don't care about most of everyone else.  

By the way, if you want to join the DDO facebook group you should PM me.
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@oromagi
Thank you.  Rational Madman has a strange relationship with me.  Some days he likes me, while others he invents conspiracy theories about me.  Nothing I do really seems to have much of an impact, so I can't be bothered.

I'm not interesting in judging debates.  Most of the debates I read are so bad it's not even worth the time it would take to write a three to five sentence RFD, and an RFD that is less than that would likely be removed under so called "moderation standards".

I am indifferent.  

The degree to which I am willing to contribute is limited by the amount of what I think is bullshit I have to put up with relative to the value I derive from contributing in any way. 

The same applies to posting; when what I post is met with stupidity and nonsense from people who are so illiterate they can't even read a short post; or who are so ideologically possessed that they can't even think outside their own -- vacuous -- limited perspective, I ask myself "what even is the point of my being here?"

If someone specifically wanted me to weigh in on something I might consider that, but otherwise I have other things to be doing. That is why I almost never post here. 
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Moderation Update
Effective immediately, YYW will no longer be a moderator on the website known as Debate Dot Org. That is all. 
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I can no longer call myself a liberal.
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@WaterPhoenix
Your post about "socialist leftist politics" is as politically illiterate as it is incoherent.  I suggest rephrasing. 
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I can no longer call myself a liberal.
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@WaterPhoenix
I think what you mean to say is that in any society there must be some group of people at the bottom of the hierarchy or hierarchies that comprise the society's social structure.  This is not incorrect, but that's not the relevant issue.  The relevant issue is where the threshold is defining the point of lowest subsistence in the society.  My interest is in raising that standard.  

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I can no longer call myself a liberal.
I can no longer call myself a liberal.  I haven't been a liberal for some time now.  The older I get, the further to the left I become. 

I am a socialist.  

I first learned of socialism when I read The Road to Wigan Pier, after reading Nineteen Eighty-Four by George Orwell.  At the time, I understood socialism to be something that was intrinsically and inherently bad.  Capitalism, as such, was the only real alternative.  Capitalism wasn't something I understood on ideological or practical levels, because living in the United States it was ubiquitous to me -- much in the same way that a fish can't tell you what the hell water is because it is ubiquitous; such that the fish knows nothing but water, and cannot distinguish it from anything else. 

A series of changes occurred in my life.  Some of which I typed out and deleted because they are too personal.  Some of which I will share with you: I realized through my own experience what health care is like in America for those without insurance.  I realized what tuition costs do to families, even well-to-do families. I spent time in Europe and experienced European health care.  I made and kept European friends, whose health care systems are superior to American health care systems and cheaper both in terms of point-of-service costs to consumers and per capita costs overall.  More people receive better health care for less than half of what is spent on the same in the United States.

In this way, I came to distinguish capitalism from what it is not and having seen the success of other models; so too came to question the basic presuppositions on which the American health care system was conditioned.  That opened the door to questioning other things, particularly with regard to the long-since-disproven witchcraft of neoliberal economic anything.  It is not only that the neoliberals' way of doing things led to where we are now, but that there was no destination other than where we find ourselves now -- this, the consequence of years of "tax cuts" argued to "stimulate economic growth".

Children and useful idiots for and of the neoliberal elite (both Republican and Democrat, mind you) defend the economic preconditions that underlie the American capitalist system on the grounds that they too might one day realize the American dream, if they have not realized some fragmented approximation of it in the form of a three bedroom two and a half bath house in some bleak, dismal subdivision nestled among others like it (or worse, McMansions) within a suburb that itself mirrors purgatory.

And yet, to what end do we perpetuate this artifice of self actualization?  

Reading Dostoevsky made me skeptical of the neoliberals but it was Tolstoy that pushed me as far as I have come (among others, like Chomsky and other left leaning influences).  

To what end do we destroy ourselves in service of a system that creates roads and apparatuses of technology that pollute the earth, and deprive us of our health, wellbeing, and time?  God is the source of your ultimate authority.  Whether you think you're religious or not, you worship.  Whether you worship money or the creator, you kneel before an alter whose existence you may not even recognize as such.  If the end is for you to amass the greatest amount of wealth, to indulge in the greatest indulgences affordable by you in the capitalist system, or any other such nonsense; what if there was another way? 

Inequality from an economic perspective is not what I am attacking, because inequality to the degree it serves to benefit the disenfranchised (and it often does by creating systemic incentives for innovation) can and has proven to be socially useful.  Similarly, property rights to the degree necessary are not to be disturbed. 

But, something's gotta give. 

A cancer diagnosis is a sentence of bankruptcy.  Student loan debt cripples the economy, the perils of which we will not fully realize until the next ten years or so when the full gravity of a generation of millenials fail to purchase homes because of the same.  A child's sickness is a family's economic catastrophe.  A minimum wage worker's child will be unable to afford reduced-rate lunches in public school cafeterias.  

The United States approaches Dickens' level poverty.  This began with Republican destruction of LBJ's Great Society, largely under Reagan.  Nixon left much of it in-tact, even expanding some areas of it.  It gained momentum with Clinton-era deregulation of labor markets, NAFTA and other catastrophically bad agreements struck by globalists to with the aim of "improving economic efficiency" -- i.e., waging economic warfare on the American working and middle classes.  This paralleled skyrocketing tuition costs to the degree that any prospect of the American dream's realization translates into such a future worker's status as little more than an indentured servant -- structurally and functionally indistinguishable from a serf in Tsarist Russia.  

The time will come that a new deal will be struck.  It may not happen tomorrow.  It may not happen in 2020 with Bernie Sanders, but it will happen.  The American people will not tolerate being forced to live as peasants; nor should they.  Nor, for that matter, should the landed elites who benefit from their labor want them to be, as the predictable political consequences could be avoided with reasonable reforms, increased taxation on the rich and corporations, and appropriate redistribution so as to prevent a person's "starting economic position" from forecasting their destiny.  Nothing like this has happened.  

What has happened instead is that economically and politically illiterate boomers and Gen-X types have been raised on a diet of neoliberal capitalist bullshit deluding them into thinking that whenever the government gives handouts to corporations it is 'creating jobs' but whenever that same money is spent on their or their children's health care it is 'evil socialism'.  The time is nearing when those who labor under that delusion will no longer be in power -- as millenials will become the predominant voting bloc. 

Continuing the delusion, boomers and Gen X assumed that Millenials would become conservative as they got older.  Not so.  They are not married because they cannot afford it.  They have deferred having kids and buying houses for the same reason.  They do not buy cars or take on mortgages.  They are blamed for destroying everything yet the constraints on their choices are the result of policies and decisions of the same boomers and Gen X fools who so accuse them.  

I can no longer call myself a liberal, because to do so would be to buy into this artifice of bullshit.  Behind the veil lies a snare and a delusion.  There is no American dream.  Boomers killed it, Gen X scavenged the corpse, and Millenials have nothing left to buy into the system as it were.  Is it any wonder they support Sanders?  Is it any wonder they will not vote for Biden or any other Clintonite democrat who acquiesced to status quo's being structured as it is now?  

Hardly.  Sanders was right.  Change will come to America.  The kind of change where a 5% tax on capital assets is the opening bid. 
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@Vader
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I quote the great philosophers, NWA...

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The Solution To Poverty?
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@zedvictor4
How long before their chanting Seig Heil at Trump's rallies?

This has already happened.  


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Doubt anyone cares but I'm back
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@Pinkfreud08
who were you, if anyone, on DDO?
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AMA (YYW)
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Good music
However, whether you liked what I linked above, or not...  you should appreciate this fantastic song by an equally fantastic band. 

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Good music
This is good music, but I think most non-hardcore fans would prefer this version.  

Here is an excellent cover of the same song, by another great band.

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Insult the person above you
Gobshite slug 
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@Zaradi
lol.... add me on kik
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@SirAnonymous
DU BIST EINE TELETUBBYZURÜCKWINKER!
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Did any debater change your mind on an issue?
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@Tejretics
You're young and impressionable, and being open minded is good.

Most of the beliefs I have now, though, I didn't have until I was 21-24 or so. 

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DART Bard, 1st Edition, 1/3/2020
control + F "coal"

"no results"

Grade: F
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@SirAnonymous
Thou art as fat as butter.

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Insult the person above you
“Methink’st thou art a general offence and every man should beat thee.”

All’s Well That Ends Well (Act 2, Scene 3)

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A Bad Dart Christmas Poem by Lunatic
Fiend!   RationalMadman Why are you still blocking me
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@David
Conventionally masculine... but very much not into girls. 

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@Zaradi
Are you still going to be a brat in 2020?  lol
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A Bad Dart Christmas Poem by Lunatic
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@David
That's how I met my most recent bf.  We dated for about four years.

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@David
lol I'm glad you've ventured into that den of filth.... sort of a gay rite of passage 
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@Zaradi
Snapchat I mostly use for flirting... and occasional grindr identity confirmation. 

Kik is better for sexually harassing. lol
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@Zaradi
You know as well as I do that if your're going to be sexually harassed, Kik is the place to do it.  Far more user-friendly than SnapChat. 
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@Zaradi
Idk, maybe you should add me on kik... 

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I was indeed scrolling through Grindr... though would have happily settled for sexually harassing Zaradi. 
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@Zaradi
lol happy new year, brat :p
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@Zaradi
lol you are such a brat...
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My Must Read Members List
If these are the people you "must" read, then I have only one question:

Why do you have so much time on your hands?

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Refer to DebateArt.com as DART, not DA
I will refer to DA as DA.  DART sounds stupid.
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I am one of the most ancient online debaters ever.
Also RM unblock me you peasant. 
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I am one of the most ancient online debaters ever.
Lunatic is just a contrarian who on occasion makes a casual fool of himself... not really much of a debater.
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What do you think of the Mods?
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@Alec
I generally don't care.  I think that there is a tendency among mods to view all user conflict as something they need to involve themselves in, which is immature and futile.  I'd like to have someone with my judgement, but I don't see that as a realistic possibility.  Virt is fine to an extent although I think he should hopefully with more experience gain better perspective... that perspective being "hey this isn't really worth my time."  The rest seem irrelevant.

Voting moderation shouldn't exist.



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@DynamicSquid
Keep your maple syrup grabbing fingers out of the cookie jar
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@Zaradi
Boyo we need to have a talk about that... get on a hangout sometime.
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@DynamicSquid
I don't think the setup for the resolution as you propose would yield a worthwhile debate.

It should be illegal to ground people over the age of 18/21

The issue isn't legality or illegality, but whether grounding someone over the age of 18 or 21 should be done in the first instance.  When you're talking about issues of legality, that implicates considerations far beyond the more basic question of whether something ought to happen or ought not to happen.

As well, the issue of whether something ought or ought not to happen is one of individual or familial choice; rather than one of societal import (as framing from the perspective of legality or illegality would implicate).  



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@Zaradi
Sorry to hear that... 

Alternatively, you could enroll in some graduate program as a pretext to get the internet back. 
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@Zaradi
I think you're a little too old to be grounded from the internet, tbh.
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@Zaradi
No internet at home?  How'd that happen?
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@Zaradi
No internet at home?  How'd that happen?
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@Zaradi
Aww... rich snobs suck

Do you play Call of Duty?

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@DynamicSquid
Zaradi's playfulness never fails to raise the spirits lol

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@Zaradi
Since you're not teaching math or underwater basket weaving, what are you up to these days? 
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@Zaradi
Yup, totally your fault lol
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@Zaradi
Don't worry, not interested... you on the other hand... 

(kidding lol)
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@Zaradi
lol.... sounds like you have good taste in friends ;)
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@Zaradi
Hey, I wasn't making fun of you... but that is coincidental 
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