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@Mopac
So your god is not all knowing, is that the game you now want to play, it'll do you no good. My arguments are irrefutable.
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@Mopac
So I can change what your all knowing god already knows? Your church should consider that blasphemy. If I go to hell and fulfill your god's knowledge then the corollary is that he created me for the sole purpose of torturing me for eternity, quite a vindictive, sadistic and vicious god you choose to worship. In the field of gods available couldn't you find a better one?
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@Mopac
You say the bible makes these claims, but I don't believe it does.
Read it honestly and get back to me
I also don't believe you have conviction behind anything you say, you are clearly a nihilist.
Your opinion of me is somewhat less important than an ant's opinion of me, but do continue to believe you are important, no one else will.
I think you are a complete loser, so you calling me stupid carries no weight.
Reading comprehension fail AGAIN, but you will be important when you become a real catholic. I didn't call you stupid.
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@PGA2.0
Yes 3.5 billion years of precedent proves that death is the final curtain. You fear death so much that you try desperately believe that it doesn't exist and the fantasy of a god is your support mechanism. Fantasies aren't real you know. And that life you have spent believing in fantasies to pacify your fears has been a waste, because it's all we get.In your worldview, death is the final curtain. There is no fear of death for those who trust God. As I get older though I realize how fleeting life on earth is. It goes by quickly.
Then enjoy yourself. From an evolutionary perspective, nothing really/ultimately matters but you can make it matter for a while and deceive yourself. You continually borrow from my Christian worldview when you make it matter.
Giving life meaning is all we have, it's you who deceives himself. Evolution is a fact and pretending to yourself that it's not for the sole purpose of pacifying your abject fear of death is the behaviour of a child. You have absolutely nothing that I could possibly wish to borrow and that's just something else that frightens you.
What you call good is not so with abortion. It's all based on feelings and preference for you can draw no reference to an absolute or ultimate standard. As you say, you make it up, and when your idea conflicts with someone else there is war, greed, strife as the greater imposes their "good" on the weaker. So, your standards are no better than Hitler's.
I am the ultimate arbiter for what is good and your ultimate standard is a fictional character invented a couple of thousand years ago by IPSS, it just doesn't match up to mine. Now you need to cite how many wars I've started. Hitlers standards were your god's standards they both practiced genocide, your god was allegedly better at it. You have no authority over any woman's body.
determining this without a necessary Being since standards shift and change.
The IPSS that you claim are an unchanging standard most definitely do change or you would be stoning non virgin wives.
You deceive yourself by thinking a woman should have the right to kill another human being. What is good about that? It is a selfish thing to kill your own offspring. What if that human being were you, would you still feel the same?
All this time and you still lie about my argument, godists can't exist without habitual lying it's no wonder you're a dying breed. When you can start telling the truth come back, I'm sick of dealing with your pathetic lies.
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@PGA2.0
God destroyed wicked humans who would not repent and who were bent on violence and evil intentions.
According to the story your god murdered all of humanity sans eight, that is much worse than any claim you are making about others. He also murdered every living thing along with them, thinking people understand who is more evil, your god or Hitler. Hitler doesn't come close.
Genesis 6:5 Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 The Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.
Stalin, Hitler, Mao, were also wicked and caused a lot of death and destruction while they exploited and controlled their population through their socialist states.
You expect me to believe the justification invented by the IPSS for your god's evil, puuuuuuhlease.
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@Mopac
You've been told often enough, are you stupid? The authors of your bible ignorant, primitive, superstitious savages. IPSS again.
Is there any truth in the bible, you've already admitted that it's claim that the sun orbits the earth is not true, it's claim that the earth is flat and covered by a solid dome is untrue. So I guess you can just blame the IPSS for these errors or are you blaming your god.
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@Mopac
It would be because god put me there and I had nothing to do with it, your god made the decision before I was born or are you lying when you say your god is all knowing?
Your god knew that I was in hell before I was born and so created me for the sole purpose of torturing me for eternity.
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@Mopac
The understanding the church has is that even though God doesn't make us choose what we do through our freewill, God does know what we are going to choose before we do it.
Freewill is something we absolutely do have, and so we are responsible for our actions.
Now address this:
Does your god know all, does he know whether you are in heaven or hell? If so whatever you do is predestined, you cannot change it you cannot prove your god wrong.
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@Mopac
You have no answers, you only have indoctrination and platitudes, reality is what is and that frightens you.
Here try again
You don't have an answer that makes your god right? Or is it the IPSS who are wrong? Does your bible contain any truth?
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@PGA2.0
Only that brought to it by humans and that is what frightens you, death is death.There is no compassion in an evolutionary process.
It just shows the grim reality
Yes it does, but it's only grim if you refuse to accept the reality. It is a fantastic reality filled with opportunity. Opportunity wasted on a god fear.
Good can mean whatever those in power want it to mean.
To you apparently but not to me. I determine what is good, I'm a human.
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@PGA2.0
Nobody mentioned injustice you were discussing the greatest mass murders and completely ignoring your mythical god's mythical flood. Carry on.
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@Vader
North Korea are laughing their tits off but as long as they pretend that the solid dump is "like a very smart man" they know they can get away with anything.
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@PGA2.0
You firmly believe that you have more right to every woman's body than they have, you do realise that that is insanity.
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@PGA2.0
Scandinavia proves you wrong but don't let reality impinge on your indoctrinated fascism.
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@PGA2.0
Although the unborn receives it nutrients and support system from the woman's environment, it has everything within itself to develop and grow what it is.
So therefore abortion will make no discernible difference to it and you have no argument, unless you're lying.
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@Mopac
I didn't ask what the IPSS wrote. Please answer the question.
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And supply the best standard of living anywhere in the world, you fail to understand absolutely anything. Never mind you're American, it's accepted.No socialist countries are smaller and tax the crap out of people
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Yes you still know nothing and don't respond to me when you have me blocked you numptie.
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Polypatetic
You need to try desperately to find reality.
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@Alec
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@PGA2.0
Then your god is a greater murderer than anyone. Thanks for that.
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@Mopac
Just more contradictions that you can't defend to a thinking person. If your god knows you in hell you cannot repent and go to heaven. If your god sees you in heaven you can't sin enough to go to hell. Your destination is already decided.
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@Mopac
You don't have an answer that makes your god right? Or is it the IPSS who are wrong? Does your bible contain any truth?
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@Greyparrot
You keep running away from this Socialist Scandinavian countries have a higher standard of living. Your arguments live in the cesspit that is America.
Socialism works.
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@Greyparrot
Socialist Scandinavian countries have a higher standard
27,000 as a % of fuck all is still fuck all. But mental masturbation is the warcry of the ignorant redneck.
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@Greyparrot
Socialist Scandinavian countries have a higher standard of living than anywhere else in the world, game cancelled for lack of opposition.
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@PGA2.0
You've had these countries pegged as communist for years, as a godist I understand your desperate need to keep moving the goalposts but I'll just continue to replace them where they belong BECAUSE they make your arguments look stupid.North Korea, or China, or Russia, or Cuba, or Venezuela?
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@PGA2.0
And you can't refute my argument so you run off crying to mummy that I won't let your lies stand. Oh boo hoo.
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@PGA2.0
I see you've given up on your spurious and ignorant claims, it's time to run away again golfer. bahahahahahahaha
Just BTW they've been socialist for decades, I told you before get an education but you continue to get only propaganda.
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@PGA2.0
So this separate human body can be removed from the woman's body without detriment then what is your argument.No objection if that were the case.
It must be the case given your definition that this group of cells is a separate living human being, separate living humans beings do not require the support of the internal functions of another human being. Hence abortion will have no effect on your mythicak definition.
In order for you to get to this growth you must first reject the woman's right to bodily autonomy, who gives you that right?It is not a "growth" but a human being.
The remove it and let it live as a human being.
You are using dehumanizing language to make the unborn less than what it is. Hitler used the same tactics with the Jews and others he considered undesirable. It resulted in the extermination of around 11-12 million people - those deformed, people of color, mentally challenged, those that opposed the State, and Jews.
How many Godwin awards do you have on your mantelpiece?
Why should someone have the right to kill an innocent human being? That is the question I want you to answer.
No one has a right to kill another human being but that is irrelevant to the question at hand. That question is what gives you a right to interfere with the autonomous control of a woman's body?
Why should the woman have no consequences for her sexual promiscuity?
Good ole christian punishment applied exclusively to women, why don't you burn her at the stake, misogynist. Carrying a fetus fullterm is now punishment. hahaha. Is it that god that claims to be LOVE punishing her. You people disgust me.
So, what outweighs what - an inconvenience and discomfort for nine months or termination?
A woman's right to bodily autonomy outweighs your misogyny.
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@Mopac
Does the sun revolve around the earth?
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@PGA2.0
I didn't read that propaganda but I did see the word Nordic used which tells me that the author is pig ignorant or a pathetic liar or both I lob for the latter. Refute the FACT that the socialist Scandinavian countries have a better lifestyle than anywhere else in the world.
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@PGA2.0
Right so you can't refute the fact that the Scandinavian countries are so much better than yours and the yanks so you post some meaningless irrelevant twaddle that I didn't read, stick to the subject.
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@Greyparrot
ONE of the stupidest things ever written.
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@PGA2.0
You seem to have forgotten your mythical flood.As opposed to what - atheism? So far the 20th-century has been the bloodiest on human record. Look at the ideologies of those who perpetrated the worst inhumanity during that century. They were secular humanists or those who did not live according to a Christian standard.
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@Mopac
Does your god know all, does he know whether you are in heaven or hell? If so whatever you do is predestined, you cannot change it you cannot prove your god wrong.
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@PGA2.0
So this separate human body can be removed from the woman's body without detriment then what is your argument. In order for you to get to this growth you must first reject the woman's right to bodily autonomy, who gives you that right?
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@Swagnarok
What a low life................he thought about killing someone, lock him up with all the other conservatives.
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We have farms bigger than your tiny Texas, so fuckin' what? I mean socialist countries that are just light years ahead of your backward country.
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@Greyparrot
Read a dictionary and see if you can find your way back here.
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@sadolite
That's another abject failure in reading comprehension.
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@mustardness
Do not come back to talk to until you have some moral integrity and address my comments as stated, not as you and other Trumpanzees falsely project them.
To whom are you talking?
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@PGA2.0
Do you mean like the Scandinavian countries who all have a higher standard of living than any other country. Get an education.Socialism, as we see it around the world, exploits people
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@PGA2.0
Does the Woman have the Right to Choose Whether or not the Unborn Lives?
As I keep telling you, you don't address the topic at all.
The woman has bodily autonomy first and foremost, there is no fetus without the woman therefore her rights are paramount, you wanting 50% of the human population to be subservient to you is just mental masturbation.
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@PGA2.0
Do not misrepresent me. I have discussed this issue many times. You do not have the right to kill someone to guard your bodily autonomy, except in self-defense. Likewise, the woman should not have the legal right to do this either, unless she will lose her life by continuing the pregnancy.
You have never discussed the issue, which is all women's right to bodily autonomy. Your fantasy of murder is just an excuse for the ridiculous religious beliefs inculcated into you by the IPSS, just superstitious claptrap.
The issue is not the woman's bodily autonomy
That is completely the issue, your pathetic misogynist beliefs are just that.
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@Alec
It comes down to if a fetus is a person
Still wrong. It comes down to every woman is a person with a right to her own bodily autonomy.
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